The Biggest Problem With Homosexuality

AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned Posts: 1,675
edited February 2005 in Discussions
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In today's society not only is homosexuality tolerated, but becoming widely accepted way of life. How was it that only a couple generations ago, peoples standards didn't allow that kind of thing and now this... what I fear is that if its homosexuality that’s being accepted today, what will we be willing to accept tomorrow? Some prisoners claim that they were made to be turned on by small children, and so that’s why they molest and rape them... so are we going to say "hey he's right. He should be able to do that its his choice!" and once again. We will compromise morals and ethics and become a little sicker as a human race. I just pray that day will never come and that people will come to their senses about this very serious issue.

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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
  • BathroomMonkeyBathroomMonkey Feces-hurling Monkey Boy Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 78Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor Posts: 1,345
    1) Read previous threads on this topic and see the bits about 'consenting adults'

    2) See when black people (and further, women) were finally allowed to vote and then comment on how we should uphold (or admire) the standards set several generations ago.
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  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members Posts: 3,669
    Bathroom Monkey took the good arguments, so I'm just going to say: because it doesn't affect you. Seriously, if you don't like it (I for one don't like looking at **** men in public) then just don't look. Not too hard. I mean, they're not hurting anyone are they? Of course, you may argue that a man having sex with a young boy isn't hurting me personally, but our society has rules about relations between minors and older people that go beyond simple adult consent. Damn, Monkey already said that. Oh well. biggrin-fix.gif
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  • FilthyLarryFilthyLarry Join Date: 2003-08-31 Member: 20423Members Posts: 337
    edited February 2005
    QUOTE (AvengerX @ Feb 18 2005, 12:14 AM)
    In today's society not only is homosexuality tolerated, but becoming widely accepted way of life. How was it that only a couple generations ago, peoples standards didn't allow that kind of thing and now this... what I fear is that if its homosexuality that’s being accepted today, what will we be willing to accept tomorrow? Some prisoners claim that they were made to be turned on by small children, and so that’s why they molest and rape them... so are we going to say "hey he's right. He should be able to do that its his choice!" and once again. We will compromise morals and ethics and become a little sicker as a human race. I just pray that day will never come and that people will come to their senses about this very serious issue.

    Are you saying that all homosexuals are child molesters? *gapes in utter amazement*

    Geez, with all the raping they supposedly do where do they find the time for anything else? Honestly, I bet they have so many people to rape that they actually have to _hire_ part time rape assistants because there are so many people to get to and so little time.

    Honestly Avenger, the only sickening thing here is your post. You appear to be the type of person that would go to a homosexual's funeral and cheerfully wave a "burn in hell" sign as you loudly proclaim how full of Christ-love you are.

    Attraction to small children is something independant of sexual orientation. It is quite frankly childish to insinuate that all homosexuals are attracted to children. And yes, that is exactly what you are doing here.

    It is equally absurd to pontificate on and on about how homosexuals are the only promiscuous people on the planet. I have personally witnessed just how much hanky-panky goes on in the work-place these days; amongst homo and hetero alike.

    Honestly, we've had stories and so called "studies" ranging from semen gobbling tribesmen to lesbian nazi hookers and frankly all of them have proven absolutely diddly about how homosexuality is "the downfall of mankind".

    My humble suggestion here: Don't focus on the outward appearance of two people in love, rather on the love they share. I pity those who cannot see this.
  • BathroomMonkeyBathroomMonkey Feces-hurling Monkey Boy Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 78Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor Posts: 1,345
    edited February 2005
    And even more pertinent: Do the world's numerous straight pedophiles mean that we should outlaw male-female relationships?

    Or can't you inch back up that slippery slope?
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  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members Posts: 3,896
    edited February 2005
    Alan Turing was given a hard time because of the fact that homosexuality was taboo at that point. It was surely a contributing factor to his suicide. 'Nuff said.
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  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members Posts: 2,543
    edited February 2005
    QUOTE (AvengerX @ Feb 18 2005, 12:14 AM)
    In today's society not only is homosexuality tolerated, but becoming widely accepted way of life. How was it that only a couple generations ago, peoples standards didn't allow that kind of thing and now this... what I fear is that if its homosexuality that’s being accepted today, what will we be willing to accept tomorrow?

    Slippery slope argument, take a logic class FFS. It wouldn't normally bother me and I wouldn't normally be this blunt but your arguments in this forum are so useless and poorly reasoned....

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    Some prisoners claim that they were made to be turned on by small children, and so that’s why they molest and rape them... so are we going to say "hey he's right. He should be able to do that its his choice!" and once again. We will compromise morals and ethics and become a little sicker as a human race. I just pray that day will never come and that people will come to their senses about this very serious issue.

    The difference is that homosexual adaults can consent, children, legally, cannot. And for some reason your definition of "moral" is telling other people what they can and can't do to eachother in their own flipping bedroom. Thats just... well **** up.
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  • AegeriAegeri Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13486Members Posts: 1,150
    QUOTE (SkulkBait @ Feb 18 2005, 02:13 AM)
    Slippery slope argument, take a logic class FFS. It wouldn't normally bother me and I wouldn't normally be this blunt but your arguments in this forum are so useless and poorly reasoned....

    I agree, I'm not sure if I even want to begin touching this concept of comparing beastiality/pedophilia or any other such nonsense to homosexuality.
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  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members Posts: 7,661
    I think its wrong, but really, who's business is it anyway of what two adults want to do? Its really nobody's business. And the right-wing fundementalists who disagree with me about that should really look at themselves with some judgement before critisizing someone elses life.
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    Pretty much everyone has already said what I was going to say, so...
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  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members Posts: 9,006 Fully active user
    Instead of repeating everything that's been said so far, I'll just repeat the two words: Consenting adults.

    Still, just because we disagree with Avenger, do we really need to bash him? I could have found several ways to say what's been said so far, but without insulting Avenger. I would thus call those insults needless. Please, no needless insults in here. And now I'll shut up, because I'm not a moderator.
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  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned Posts: 1,675
    so when 1000's of people have gaint orgies and spread Deises like rampet and all end up in the hospitial... they all cash in on insurance.. and that allso takes a toll on everyone. its the same with people being obeise, thats one of the main problems facing america. so you can't say that what other people do doesn't affect others cuz a lot of times it really does affect otehr people
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    QUOTE (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 18 2005, 06:16 AM)
    I think its wrong, but really, who's business is it anyway of what two adults want to do? Its really nobody's business. And the right-wing fundementalists who disagree with me about that should really look at themselves with some judgement before critisizing someone elses life.

    Correction, Social Conservatives are what your looking at. Right-Wingers are just bunched in them out of spite.

    See Christian Socialists.

    Infact, alot of the tenents of Socialism came from the Bible.
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  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned Posts: 1,675
    people who like to molest children... we say they are mentally unwell... but its impossible for us to think that people that are attracted to the same sex are not mentally unwell? I mean... what if I say I like to hump dogs (this is hypothetical), wouldn't you say theres something not right with me? shouldn't I get help for a condition like that. yes I should. but if you can accecpt one thing, you'll accept others later down the road.
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  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members Posts: 3,896
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    QUOTE (AvengerX @ Feb 18 2005, 03:55 PM)
    people who like to molest children... we say they are mentally unwell... but its impossible for us to think that people that are attracted to the same sex are not mentally unwell? I mean... what if I say I like to hump dogs (this is hypothetical), wouldn't you say theres something not right with me? shouldn't I get help for a condition like that. yes I should. but if you can accecpt one thing, you'll accept others later down the road.

    The difference is that a fellow homosexual will give consent. Oh, and they're also human.

    Good luck convincing me that Fido was crying out for some AvengerX lovin'.
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  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members Posts: 1,527
    QUOTE (AvengerX @ Feb 18 2005, 03:55 PM)
    people who like to molest children... we say they are mentally unwell... but its impossible for us to think that people that are attracted to the same sex are not mentally unwell? I mean... what if I say I like to hump dogs (this is hypothetical), wouldn't you say theres something not right with me? shouldn't I get help for a condition like that. yes I should. but if you can accecpt one thing, you'll accept others later down the road.

    You think liking the same sex makes you metally unwell?
    I think you're mentally unwell, dude.

    There's a freaking huge difference between having relations with the same sex and molesting children/having sex with dogs.
  • uffouffo Join Date: 2003-05-03 Member: 16026Members Posts: 583
    QUOTE (AvengerX @ Feb 18 2005, 12:14 AM)
    In today's society not only is homosexuality tolerated, but becoming widely accepted way of life. How was it that only a couple generations ago, peoples standards didn't allow that kind of thing and now this

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  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members Posts: 3,669
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    QUOTE (AvengerX @ Feb 18 2005, 03:47 PM)
    so when 1000's of people have gaint orgies and spread Deises like rampet and all end up in the hospitial... they all cash in on insurance.. and that allso takes a toll on everyone. its the same with people being obeise, thats one of the main problems facing america. so you can't say that what other people do doesn't affect others cuz a lot of times it really does affect otehr people

    Psst, there's nothing about **** sex that lends itself towards contracting AIDS. I suppose it's just unfortunate coincidence for homosexuals that the disease became more widespread amongst **** people. It probably has something to do with the fact that homosexual couples are looked down on, so steady relationships are hard to keep up because they'll attract attention. Thus the need for many partners.

    What this means is that blaming the homosexuals for the fact that AIDS is far more common with them than with heterosexuals is truly unfair. And saying that people that are DYING are "cashing in on insurance" is just unbelievably pig-headed and uncaring. What the hell do you think insurance is there for, to look pretty? These people desperately need help; they are financially unable to afford the drugs to keep themselves alive because the damn drugs cost thousands of dollars, because our government is surprisingly uncaring about medical research.

    And I've never seen a 1000 person **** orgy. You'd think someone would notice something like that. confused-fix.gif
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  • StakhanovStakhanov Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14448Members Posts: 2,179 Advanced user
    Seconded...

    It seems that this sentence in the Leviticus :
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    greatly contributed to once of humankind's biggest prejudice. Literally reading books from the past will give you ideas from the past and even incentives to behave like in the past - which moral standards were not pretty.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned Posts: 1,675
    QUOTE (Sky @ Feb 18 2005, 04:22 PM)
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    so when 1000's of people have gaint orgies and spread Deises like rampet and all end up in the hospitial... they all cash in on insurance.. and that allso takes a toll on everyone. its the same with people being obeise, thats one of the main problems facing america. so you can't say that what other people do doesn't affect others cuz a lot of times it really does affect otehr people

    Psst, there's nothing about **** sex that lends itself towards contracting AIDS. I suppose it's just unfortunate coincidence for homosexuals that the disease became more widespread amongst **** people. It probably has something to do with the fact that homosexual couples are looked down on, so steady relationships are hard to keep up because they'll attract attention. Thus the need for many partners.

    What this means is that blaming the homosexuals for the fact that AIDS is far more common with them than with heterosexuals is truly unfair. And saying that people that are DYING are "cashing in on insurance" is just unbelievably pig-headed and uncaring. What the hell do you think insurance is there for, to look pretty? These people desperately need help; they are financially unable to afford the drugs to keep themselves alive because the damn drugs cost thousands of dollars, because our government is surprisingly uncaring about medical research.

    And I've never seen a 1000 person **** orgy. You'd think someone would notice something like that. confused-fix.gif

    I'm not blaming Homosexuals for AIDS , I'm blaming the way sex is looked upon in general now a days. Sex is a very special thing that can be a buetifull thing when between a loving man and his wife. but the way we look at it now it seems like just a fun thing to throw around and get jiggy with every person you get a boner from. its just a shame that things are getting worse and worse. look at TV. kids get shown that sex is not really a big deal and that having sex is great fun and so they should all go out and get laid.

    and its not hard to avoid getting AIDS just obstain from sex till your married and marry a virgin. its really quite simple. so I don't feel bad for people who can't afford it. I'd ratehr see money to to curing Cancer, something that everyone is suseptable to and not just people who like action.
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  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members Posts: 3,010 Advanced user
    No offense Avenger, but last time I checked Sex was fun. Albiet not everyone can actually agree with me... I think. confused-fix.gif

    Of course that was off topic. My apologies. I really can't say I have a lot more to add the discussion. After all it is up to the people doing their "thing"

    I really don't see why it would bother you, considering it doesn't affect you in any way.
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  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned Posts: 1,675
    it does affect me tho. it affects lots of people. Having tonz of sex partners (hedero or homo) spreads dieses. dieses which costs money to treat and fight. money that could be spent elsewhere. it takes time and resources from hospitals that could be better spent.

    it hurts the economy, Homosexuals don't have kids. so they don't really put anything back into the world and only take. if everyone was homosexual the human race would die out.. and that'd affect me or my great grea great grand children.

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  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members Posts: 3,896
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    They would pick up unwanted kids, given the chance. While there's debate over whether homo.s make good parents, it's better than leaving the kids to rot in an orphanage.

    But that's besides the point. Lots of straight people distribute STDs. Should we legislate against them having sex?
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  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned Posts: 1,675
    QUOTE (Snidely @ Feb 18 2005, 06:33 PM)
    They would pick up unwanted kids, given the chance. While there's debate over whether homo.s make good parents, it's better than leaving the kids to rot in an orphanage.

    oh yes.. because all orphanages are terrible places where the children are put to slave labor and beaten and abused right?

    there are some bad ones but as a whole most orphanges in the US are pretty decent
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  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members Posts: 3,896
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    Not as healthy as actually having some sort of family. Besides, orphanges cost money to run. You seem worried about the economy being harmed, so it's something to point out.

    Not that this is important. No-one should have to worry about "giving back" to society. I will never have children. Does this make me a burden on society? No, because as long as I work and obey the laws, society shouldn't have a say in what I do.

    Random other thought: I wonder if homosexual people complain about having to shell out for stupid kids who break their bones during sports/hobbies such as skateboarding!
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  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation Posts: 4,708 Advanced user
    I can see where you are coming from Avenger, but homosexuality is completly different than child molestation. The "concenting adults" thing has been brought up, and it's true, they concent to having sex. I personally know homosexual couples that at least to me appear to have the same sort of relationship as a hetrosexual coulpe would, and that is they are in love.

    While this may not be morally acceptable due to what an outdated, mostly ficticious book, that is thousands of years old, may have said, it harms nobody. I presume you have been tought that homosexuality is bad and un-natural, no? So was I, and I have heard many arguments that suggest otherwise, such as this artical about homosexual penguins.

    The child molestation you speek of is the same as rape, well, it is rap more precisely. Sex between anyone and a non concenting partner is rape, period, and it's wrong.

    Sex between an adult and a child is illegal. Most of the time any sex that does go on between those two groups is unconcented, minus a very rare margin, but Stagitory rape laws exist for a reason, because children are too young to make those kinds of decisions.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members Posts: 3,669
    QUOTE (AvengerX @ Feb 18 2005, 05:42 PM)
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    I'm not blaming Homosexuals for AIDS , I'm blaming the way sex is looked upon in general now a days. Sex is a very special thing that can be a buetifull thing when between a loving man and his wife. but the way we look at it now it seems like just a fun thing to throw around and get jiggy with every person you get a boner from. its just a shame that things are getting worse and worse. look at TV. kids get shown that sex is not really a big deal and that having sex is great fun and so they should all go out and get laid.

    and its not hard to avoid getting AIDS just obstain from sex till your married and marry a virgin. its really quite simple. so I don't feel bad for people who can't afford it. I'd ratehr see money to to curing Cancer, something that everyone is suseptable to and not just people who like action.

    Okay, there was no transition between talking about homosexuals and talking about the massive orgies, so I just assumed we were still talking about homosexuals.

    On the topic of society becoming more open about sexuality:
    If you think the United States is "bad", go to Europe. wink-fix.gif

    Yet, as I'd say 50-75% of this forum would attest, Europe is not socially depraved or screwed. So I doubt that the moral fiber of our nation will snap any time soon.
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    Psst, there's nothing about **** sex that lends itself towards contracting AIDS.


    Simply for great justice (and no other reason) I'll just point out this isn't exactly true. Anal sex does increase your chances of getting HIV. The reason for this is fairly simple, the anal wall isn't so well lubricated as a ****, it's not intented to have man meat stuffed in it and as a result it tends to tear much more easily. These microtears are the perfect way for HIV to be transmitted from one individual to the other, and they occur at a much higher rate in homosexual sex than heterosexual sex.
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    I think AvengerX just can't get the girls.
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