Interesting Maps Of The Election

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  • WheeeeWheeee Members, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Posts: 4,262 Fully active user
    The midwest imploded....
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    Don't assume that because I said something it means I actually was thinking that the core of the sun was going to be replaced with hot dogs.
  • DecimatorDecimator Members Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8057Posts: 421
    I like how they screwed it up so bad that you can't really glean any information from it. tounge.gif
  • reasareasa Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Posts: 2,367
    So let me get this straight...they shot Kerry and this is the way his brains splattered? tounge.gif

    I don't see what this map proves...there are still more registered voters, over all, who voted for Bush, but I don't need to explain any of this to anyone here.

    I think this is the best map there:
    user posted image

    Not only does it show you exactly which areas your most likely to find democrats/republicans...but it also makes a handy "where to attack" guide for China. Sorry...I forgot were all idiots and no one well get that joke because were too dumb to figure out that the major urban centers with the larger populations voted strongly democratic…

    Anyway the point is that the purple party definitely needs to field a candidate in 2008.
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Members Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Posts: 1,633
    QUOTE (reasa @ Feb 5 2005, 02:05 PM)
    So let me get this straight...they shot Kerry and this is the way his brains splattered? tounge.gif

    I don't see what this map proves...there are still more registered voters, over all, who voted for Bush, but I don't need to explain any of this to anyone here.

    I think this is the best map there:
    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/electi...ymapredblue.png

    Not only does it show you exactly which areas your most likely to find democrats/republicans...but it also makes a handy "where to attack" guide for China. Sorry...I forgot were all idiots and no one well get that joke because were too dumb to figure out that the major urban centers with the larger populations voted strongly democratic…

    Anyway the point is that the purple party definitely needs to field a candidate in 2008.

    I don't get one sentence of that post ):??
  • reasareasa Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Posts: 2,367
    QUOTE (panda de malheureux @ Feb 4 2005, 10:46 PM)
    I don't get one sentence of that post ):??

    Some people think cucumbers taste better pickled.
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Members Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Posts: 1,633
    Ah now you're making sense smile-fix.gif
  • WheeeeWheeee Members, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Posts: 4,262 Fully active user
    QUOTE (reasa @ Feb 5 2005, 02:30 AM)
    QUOTE (panda de malheureux @ Feb 4 2005, 10:46 PM)
    I don't get one sentence of that post ):??

    Some people think cucumbers taste better pickled.

    Comedy gold! biggrin-fix.gif
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    Don't assume that because I said something it means I actually was thinking that the core of the sun was going to be replaced with hot dogs.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Posts: 4,708 Advanced user
    Yea, what does that map prove? That Democrats live in big cities? There's news! There's also more people on welfare in big cities, says somthing about democrats to me...
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Members Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Posts: 3,104 Advanced user
    Well, the people in the red counties are too busy killing eachother.
    I saw a radscorpion the other day.
  • SkySky Members Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Posts: 3,666
    These maps are actually very informative. For instance, that county map above makes most of the country seem Republican, but that would beg the question "Why was the election so close?" The resized and distorted county map (below) takes into account the number of people in each county, and the counties with bigger populations are inflated compared to the smaller counties. You can see from the distorted map just by comparing areas covered by red and blue that the two are approximately equal.
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  • HandmanHandman Members Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15224Posts: 277
    The maps are interesting. I would like to see it with a better choice of colors. While red and blue are traditional in representing the parties, as they are on oposite ends of the light and color spectrum. They are not very desernable from purple. It would of nice if they went across yellow and green, this would make it easier to see where the voting populations are close.


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  • reasareasa Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Posts: 2,367
    QUOTE (Epidemic @ Feb 6 2005, 07:48 AM)
    Well, the people in the red counties are too busy killing eachother.

    Yea those rural mid western farm towns are infamous for their high murder rates.

    Unlike people friendly New York or Philadelphia.


    Tell me again why we don't have a rolling eyes smiley?
  • UZiUZi Eight inches of C4 between the legs. Members Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13767Posts: 1,248
    QUOTE (reasa @ Feb 6 2005, 01:06 PM)
    QUOTE (Epidemic @ Feb 6 2005, 07:48 AM)
    Well, the people in the red counties are too busy killing eachother.

    Yea those rural mid western farm towns are infamous for their high murder rates.

    Unlike people friendly New York or Philadelphia.


    Tell me again why we don't have a rolling eyes smiley?

    abuse.
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  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Members Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Posts: 3,104 Advanced user
    QUOTE (reasa @ Feb 6 2005, 07:06 AM)
    QUOTE (Epidemic @ Feb 6 2005, 07:48 AM)
    Well, the people in the red counties are too busy killing eachother.

    Yea those rural mid western farm towns are infamous for their high murder rates.

    Unlike people friendly New York or Philadelphia.


    Tell me again why we don't have a rolling eyes smiley?

    Yeah, they are all outta targets in the midwest. So now some red voters are moving to better hunting grounds
    I saw a radscorpion the other day.
  • WheeeeWheeee Members, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Posts: 4,262 Fully active user
    why are we resorting to trolling? Maybe it would help if the OP actually posted a topic for discussion based on the map, instead of just leaving us to our own, retarded, devices.
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    Don't assume that because I said something it means I actually was thinking that the core of the sun was going to be replaced with hot dogs.
  • reasareasa Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Posts: 2,367
    QUOTE (Epidemic @ Feb 6 2005, 02:13 PM)
    Yeah, they are all outta targets in the midwest. So now some red voters are moving to better hunting grounds

    I don't understand what your saying the biggest stronghold for democratic voters, Washington DC, has more murders then anywhere else in the country, and rightfully earned the nickname "murder capital".

    http://www.safestreetsdc.com/subpages/murdercap.html

    Now if you would kindly remove your foot from your mouth we can continue this discussion reasonably.
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Members Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Posts: 3,104 Advanced user
    edited February 2005
    Well, it's not like you are any better.user posted image

    I apologize, though.
    I saw a radscorpion the other day.
  • WheeeeWheeee Members, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Posts: 4,262 Fully active user
    Eh? Come on man, "the midwest is a lot of murdering savages"? That's not even a debatable point...all I do is post stupid one-liners.
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    Don't assume that because I said something it means I actually was thinking that the core of the sun was going to be replaced with hot dogs.
  • BathroomMonkeyBathroomMonkey Feces-hurling Monkey Boy Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 78Posts: 1,345
    edited February 2005
    QUOTE (reasa @ Feb 6 2005, 07:52 PM)
    QUOTE (Epidemic @ Feb 6 2005, 02:13 PM)
    Yeah, they are all outta targets in the midwest. So now some red voters are moving to better hunting grounds

    I don't understand what your saying the biggest stronghold for democratic voters, Washington DC, has more murders then anywhere else in the country, and rightfully earned the nickname "murder capital".

    http://www.safestreetsdc.com/subpages/murdercap.html

    Now if you would kindly remove your foot from your mouth we can continue this discussion reasonably.

    I understand that doing it by city helps you nail blue states here, but let's just go ahead and do it by state, just for fun:

    Link

    (This is as of 2003)

    Our top ten are:
    Louisiana
    Maryland
    Mississippi
    Nevada
    Arizona
    Georgia
    South Carolina
    Illiinois
    California
    Tennessee

    It's also kind of funny that a 'stronghold for Democratic voters' doesn't have, you know, anyone in Congress (who can vote) or the Senate to vote for.

    But that's neither here nor there. I just wanted to point out that our blue cities don't quite balance out the murder rates of our red states.

    That is all. Going to watch the Super Bowl. Marge, send the kids to your sisters', I'm comin' home drunk!
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  • WheeeeWheeee Members, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Posts: 4,262 Fully active user
    Was almost tricked by your misleading interpretation of the link.

    Notice that it's the murder rate per 100,000 people that it lists.

    Tell me that big cities don't contain more people than rural areas, please. I want to trounce all over that.
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    Don't assume that because I said something it means I actually was thinking that the core of the sun was going to be replaced with hot dogs.
  • BathroomMonkeyBathroomMonkey Feces-hurling Monkey Boy Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 78Posts: 1,345
    What? All it demonstrates is that when you consider the entire state, and not just cities, the locations with leading murder rates change.

    Feel free to trounce all over it, but it'll just show that you don't know what a 'rate' is.
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  • reasareasa Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Posts: 2,367
    Well I didn't start the whole "red state blue state murder rate" argument…but I contributed fully realizing what an asinine point of argument it is.

    Now to contradict the above, I fully suspect that if you were to look at which counties in those states have the most murders which contribute to the overall you would find they are those states major urban centers. Even the South has its democratic voters.

    I can't find proof positive yet, but I'll be sure to post it when I do.
  • HandmanHandman Members Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15224Posts: 277
    I know you guys would love to find a connection between murder rate and political affiliation, but I regret to inform you murders are bypartisan. You will have more murders in urban centers because there are more people there. Just because violent crime happen to be more common in the same area were on party is more dominant does not mean it is the parties to blame. Did you know that both ice cream sales and drownings increase drastically in the summer, just think of all those innocent victims the Ice Cream companies have killed.
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  • reasareasa Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Posts: 2,367
    QUOTE (Handman @ Feb 7 2005, 12:29 AM)
    Did you know that both ice cream sales and drownings increase drastically in the summer, just think of all those innocent victims the Ice Cream companies have killed.

    You sir are very close to removing Mr. Shaw from my sig, he may be rolling in his grave. tounge.gif
  • WheeeeWheeee Members, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Posts: 4,262 Fully active user
    edited February 2005
    QUOTE (Handman @ Feb 7 2005, 12:29 AM)
    I know you guys would love to find a connection between murder rate and political affiliation, but I regret to inform you murders are bypartisan.  You will have more murders in urban centers because there are more people there.  Just because violent crime happen to be more common in the same area were on party is more dominant does not mean it is the parties to blame.  Did you know that both ice cream sales and drownings increase drastically in the summer, just think of all those innocent victims the Ice Cream companies have killed.

    Quoted for truth. I am almost sure that a vast majority of violent crimes are committed by people without very strong or reasoned-out political views/associations. And I wonder about you BM: why not list all violent crimes? Maybe the increase in the murder rates is due to the decrease in fatality from aggravated assault or attempted homicide or whatever because large cities have better medical response/ICU facilities. Posting murder rates does absolutely nothing for your argument; it's like saying "OMG Europe has high unemployment rates they must be stupid dumb***es over there in Europe WTHLOLBBQ"

    Try this instead.

    It's pretty clearl that your site tries to use facts to paint a rosy picture for its "no-death penalty" agenda. However, I find it interesting that it didn't list the District of Columbia which averages a whopping 44 attempted/murders per 100,000 people. Kind of weird, ain't it?
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    QUOTE (EEK)
    Don't assume that because I said something it means I actually was thinking that the core of the sun was going to be replaced with hot dogs.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Banned Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Posts: 1,675
    maybe being a crazed liberal has something to do with living by water... since most of the states by the oceans are blue.... I dunno thats just my guess

    but allso , if this map is a thing to say that " kerry should have won" then it doesn't help at all... kerry resigned, and democrats don't give in easily , he lost by a land slide
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  • BathroomMonkeyBathroomMonkey Feces-hurling Monkey Boy Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 78Posts: 1,345
    edited February 2005
    QUOTE (Wheeee @ Feb 7 2005, 05:52 AM)
    QUOTE (Handman @ Feb 7 2005, 12:29 AM)
    I know you guys would love to find a connection between murder rate and political affiliation, but I regret to inform you murders are bypartisan.  You will have more murders in urban centers because there are more people there.  Just because violent crime happen to be more common in the same area were on party is more dominant does not mean it is the parties to blame.  Did you know that both ice cream sales and drownings increase drastically in the summer, just think of all those innocent victims the Ice Cream companies have killed.

    Quoted for truth. I am almost sure that a vast majority of violent crimes are committed by people without very strong or reasoned-out political views/associations. And I wonder about you BM: why not list all violent crimes? Maybe the increase in the murder rates is due to the decrease in fatality from aggravated assault or attempted homicide or whatever because large cities have better medical response/ICU facilities. Posting murder rates does absolutely nothing for your argument; it's like saying "OMG Europe has high unemployment rates they must be stupid dumb***es over there in Europe WTHLOLBBQ"

    Try this instead.

    It's pretty clearl that your site tries to use facts to paint a rosy picture for its "no-death penalty" agenda. However, I find it interesting that it didn't list the District of Columbia which averages a whopping 44 attempted/murders per 100,000 people. Kind of weird, ain't it?

    You wonder about me? I was just replying to Reasa's throwaway comment (and link) that our 'Democratic strongholds' are responsible for our high murder rates (and he himself was replying to a previous comment on midwest murder rates).

    You seem to let him slide, though. He didn't take any of those other factors into account-- let me double check-- nope, he was focused on 'murder rates', too. You pretend to be appalled when I do it-- why chide me and not him? Hmmmm . . . I wonder about you.
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  • WheeeeWheeee Members, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Posts: 4,262 Fully active user
    edited February 2005
    *edit* actually, he hasn't ever claimed that democrats have a higher murder rate, now that I look back. He was only responding to someone who claimed that red states were busy killing each other by pointing out DC.
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    Don't assume that because I said something it means I actually was thinking that the core of the sun was going to be replaced with hot dogs.
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
    This is the most assinine debate I have ever had the pleasure of witnessing. Thanks folks! smile-fix.gif

    I thought the maps were interesting because they really give you a good feel for how much higher population densities are in most of the blue counties.

    It looks like you guys need something to debate, so try this. Public services are more effective in areas with higher population densities. Garbage trucks don't have to drive as far, public transportation not only makes sense, but is essential, and a lot of other community initiatives have the potential for real returns because there is a critical mass of people to benefit from them. If we distill democrats and republicans down to the traditional big-government/ small-government debate, could it be simply people's first hand experience of the effectiveness of public services that informs people's decisions?
  • BathroomMonkeyBathroomMonkey Feces-hurling Monkey Boy Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 78Posts: 1,345
    QUOTE (Wheeee @ Feb 7 2005, 03:42 PM)
    *edit* actually, he hasn't ever claimed that democrats have a higher murder rate, now that I look back. He was only responding to someone who claimed that red states were busy killing each other by pointing out DC.

    And therefore he tagged on the 'Democratic' bit because he didn't want it to imply anything?

    But yeah, this argument is asinine, and it was launched on a silly, unsupported post and hasn't really improved since then. I'm out.
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