No he's saying he isn't scum because he wants any money he puts into the industry to go towards the individual artist. However, he has yet to justify, if he can do so, the act of theft and copyright violation.
AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
edited February 2005
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Let me clear this up: You're saying you aren't scum because you illegally acquire something which should regularly be bought for a larger amount of money?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's about the size of it. I'd rather be a theif than pump my hard earned money into an evil system.
AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
10 cents per cd the last time I checked. How much do you think they get every time someone buys it off of iTunes? I'd say that number is pretty darn close to zero.
<!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRblong2us+Feb 4 2005, 06:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRblong2us @ Feb 4 2005, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 10 cents per cd the last time I checked. How much do you think they get every time someone buys it off of iTunes? I'd say that number is pretty darn close to zero. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But the point is that you're still downloading their songs, and while they may get little profit from your purchase, 10 cents add up to a lot of money when a popular artist releases a CD. It doesn't matter whether when you use iTunes to buy it, they might get 'darn close to zero'. You're still a thief.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Feb 5 2005, 04:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Feb 5 2005, 04:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2. Oh, you're a loser. I didn't realize. Well, thanks for letting me know you're a worthless thief. Scum of society. Pathetic individual. Bottom feeding... bah, I'm out of insults. I figured you were a thief, because you were only seemed to be spouting what others told you, that you had yet to actually try out the iTunes Music Store, because you instead fed off the success of other individuals. I'm always disappointed to be proven right in this area. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Doing stuff like that is like downloading with Satan! AWESOME! Why make a big deal out of it, it won't stop us from doing it.
AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
edited February 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Feb 4 2005, 10:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Feb 4 2005, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRblong2us+Feb 4 2005, 06:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRblong2us @ Feb 4 2005, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 10 cents per cd the last time I checked. How much do you think they get every time someone buys it off of iTunes? I'd say that number is pretty darn close to zero. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But the point is that you're still downloading their songs, and while they may get little profit from your purchase, 10 cents add up to a lot of money when a popular artist releases a CD. It doesn't matter whether when you use iTunes to buy it, they might get 'darn close to zero'. You're still a thief. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You don't get it, I object to the concept of buying music on a moral level. Yes, they may get 10 cents, but 10 cents is not nearly enough. The fact that they get ripped off in such a manner is disgusting, and when you buy a CD you're perpetuating that flawed sytem and telling those who run it that they can get away with fleecing you the costumer for overcharging you and the artist by underpaying them. I steal from this system as my way of expressing disaproval with it in the hopes that everyone else will join in with me and cause it to change.
And you can stop pointing out I'm a theif, I have admitted it several times.
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I have an iPod. I absolutely love it. I find the interface extremely simple and intuitive, and have never had a problem with any function. The sound quality is superb - although I don't use the crappy earbuds that came with it, as I have some nice, expensive Sony headphones that I use for everything. Even without my super cool indestructible case, the iPod itself seems invincible (my brother has dropped his on concrete while skating any number of times with no problems; I haven't really had mine long enough to toss it around). I also quite like iTunes, although I only use it to rip and organize because it lacks global hotkeys (heart winamp 5).
Everyone I know that has an iPod also loves it. They didn't buy it because of marketing; they bought it because it's a simple, easy to use product that anyone with two brain cells to rub together can figure out. I don't mean to stereotype my brethren, but it seems like nerdy kids and CS majors are the only people that I talk to and have beef with Apple or the iPod. What's wrong with making technology simple, elegant, and accessible? Sheesh.
AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
edited February 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Feb 4 2005, 10:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Feb 4 2005, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Because it's so much better for the artist to get <i>no </i>money rather than 10 cents. yes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Giving ten cents to an artist is not enough to justify giving many times more than that to perpetuate a system set up to exploit that same artist out of what they really deserve.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What's wrong with making technology simple, elegant, and accessible?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nothing, and that's why most of iPod's compeditors have done it except better and cheaper. Honestly though, if you like the iPod iterface I beg you to use the Zen Xtra interface, from someone who has used may different mp3 players I can say the Xtra is the best interface on the market today. And if you like the iPod's sound quality, then I beg you to give the Rio Karma a listen, the sound is absolutely awesome comparatively. And both of these are way cheaper and have better batteries.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What do you guys think? Am I too unfair to the iPod? Am I right (damn right I am)? Or is there some middle ground?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes it was overpriced, and yes it's sound quality is generally lesser byte for byte when compared to Zen, Rio , etc.. I have an iPod. I love it. I also buy all my music. It's amazing how little clutter my hard drive has now that I have to think about whether I really need 4 renditions of the rubber ducky song on my computer.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 10 cents per cd the last time I checked. How much do you think they get every time someone buys it off of iTunes? I'd say that number is pretty darn close to zero.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, artists get 10 cents per 99 cent download. So, they're actually getting 10 to 20 times what they get from regular album contracts according to you. Yup, Apple is one evil corporation.
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<!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRblong2us+Feb 4 2005, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRblong2us @ Feb 4 2005, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 89 cents less than they should be getting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And by stealing from them, they get nothing from you at all. How are you helping?
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Oh, and I hate to tell you this AllUrHive, but $30,000 equipment for the CHEAPEST soundboard isn't cheap. In fact, it costs more than most people's cars. Why? For high quality sound making. Yeah. Artist doesn't pay for that. Nor do they pay for the fact that even to businesses buying in INSANELY large bulk, a CD still, at lowest, costs about 8 cents per? Then we talk of burning time required, in which someone must make sure the operation of the machine works, who definately needs to get paid more than minimum wage to make sure the 500+ CDs he is supposed to make sure go out PERFECTLY are okay, so we don't get **** off. Or the countless artists that use *eachothers* things for things such as sampling, or helping eachother with their own stuff. Or background people. Or programmers for the music programs.
Yeah, lets pay just the artists, and let 90% of the entertainment industry fall into the ocean. Thats a real smart one man.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And by stealing from them, they get nothing from you at all. How are you helping?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Eh I thought he covered that. Is this going around in circles?
Anyway I don't forsee good things for this thread. Also I like that lots of people are buying apple products. The more money apple spends on sexy looking stuff the better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No no Quan. That's the way it works. The evil music industries sign up artists, let them fulfill their dream of publishing music, pay for everything, give them the highest quality sound equipment to use in recording the album, pay them money for releasing the album, but never recoup the cost!
That's how this glorious system works! The executives, recording studies, and engineers who produce the albums, all of which who worked hard to get where they are, deserve to be paid absolutely nothing for their hard work - but the artist? Oh yeah - they need to be paid all the money they can get!
In fact, they need to get paid more than the executives! And the executives - they shouldn't care! This is music, for crying out loud! This isn't a business contract - wait - what's that? They made a contract? The artists agreed to these wages they're receiving? Wow.
I guess this makes this whole illegal file downloading for the sake of the artists excuse totally baseless! Perhaps these thieves are using the artists as a way to rationalize their corrupt behavior? No, probably not. It's probably true. RIAA produces music for thousands of dollars, using equipment that costs thousands of dollars, hiring workers that cost thousands of dollars - but never expect to ever see any sort of money back on that investment! Isn't music great?
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<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Feb 4 2005, 10:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Feb 4 2005, 10:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No no Quan. That's the way it works. The evil music industries sign up artists, let them fulfill their dream of publishing music, pay for everything, give them the highest quality sound equipment to use in recording the album, pay them money for releasing the album, but never recoup the cost!
That's how this glorious system works! The executives, recording studies, and engineers who produce the albums, all of which who worked hard to get where they are, deserve to be paid absolutely nothing for their hard work - but the artist? Oh yeah - they need to be paid all the money they can get!
In fact, they need to get paid more than the executives! And the executives - they shouldn't care! This is music, for crying out loud! This isn't a business contract - wait - what's that? They made a contract? The artists agreed to these wages they're receiving? Wow.
I guess this makes this whole illegal file downloading for the sake of the artists excuse totally baseless! Perhaps these thieves are using the artists as a way to rationalize their corrupt behavior? No, probably not. It's probably true. RIAA produces music for thousands of dollars, using equipment that costs thousands of dollars, hiring workers that cost thousands of dollars - but never expect to ever see any sort of money back on that investment! Isn't music great? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, I still think the RIAA is going about things badly. Ironically, the music industry was making almost 2x as much as they are now when Napster was thriving- but its because more small artists were getting records bought, contrary to now, where everyone is so scared of downloading and being arrested that no one finds out about new, small artists. RIAA kinda shot themselves in the foot with this.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Feb 5 2005, 12:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Feb 5 2005, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No no Quan. That's the way it works. The evil music industries sign up artists, let them fulfill their dream of publishing music, pay for everything, give them the highest quality sound equipment to use in recording the album, pay them money for releasing the album, but never recoup the cost!
That's how this glorious system works! The executives, recording studies, and engineers who produce the albums, all of which who worked hard to get where they are, deserve to be paid absolutely nothing for their hard work - but the artist? Oh yeah - they need to be paid all the money they can get!
In fact, they need to get paid more than the executives! And the executives - they shouldn't care! This is music, for crying out loud! This isn't a business contract - wait - what's that? They made a contract? The artists agreed to these wages they're receiving? Wow.
I guess this makes this whole illegal file downloading for the sake of the artists excuse totally baseless! Perhaps these thieves are using the artists as a way to rationalize their corrupt behavior? No, probably not. It's probably true. RIAA produces music for thousands of dollars, using equipment that costs thousands of dollars, hiring workers that cost thousands of dollars - but never expect to ever see any sort of money back on that investment! Isn't music great? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> W00t, looks like MedHead hit this thread like a ton of bricks.
<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Feb 5 2005, 12:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Feb 5 2005, 12:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh, and I hate to tell you this AllUrHive, but $30,000 equipment for the CHEAPEST soundboard isn't cheap. In fact, it costs more than most people's cars. Why? For high quality sound making. Yeah. Artist doesn't pay for that. Nor do they pay for the fact that even to businesses buying in INSANELY large bulk, a CD still, at lowest, costs about 8 cents per? Then we talk of burning time required, in which someone must make sure the operation of the machine works, who definately needs to get paid more than minimum wage to make sure the 500+ CDs he is supposed to make sure go out PERFECTLY are okay, so we don't get **** off. Or the countless artists that use *eachothers* things for things such as sampling, or helping eachother with their own stuff. Or background people. Or programmers for the music programs.
Yeah, lets pay just the artists, and let 90% of the entertainment industry fall into the ocean. Thats a real smart one man. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not going to get involved in the debate here, but I have a comment to make:
If the artists had to buy the soundboards by themselves, the soundboards would be cheaper. A company will not charge more than their customers can afford.
Oh, don't get me wrong; I am not supportive of some of the methods used by the RIAA. However, the prosecution of those who fileshare is acceptable, and should be done. Yes, this includes the young and old. Crime is crime.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Feb 5 2005, 12:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Feb 5 2005, 12:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not going to get involved in the debate here, but I have a comment to make:
If the artists had to buy the soundboards by themselves, the soundboards would be cheaper. A company will not charge more than their customers can afford. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Perhaps - but artists can buy cheaper soundboards that put out acceptable quality music. They <b>choose</b> to sign up with the record labels. It is of no fault but their own that they don't like what money they get (and it's more than I will ever see).
However, as long as there are companies producing music, the price of the software and hardware will remain high, independant artists or not.
That and having a recording company owning it's own studios and doing it's own distribution makes life easier for the artist, since it is doubtful they could ever manage that sort of thing themselves. By introducing a corporate system to this it becomes far more efficient. Most artists make a ton of money off of live performances anyway.
<!--QuoteBegin-cshank4+Feb 5 2005, 12:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Feb 5 2005, 12:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What use is complaining about it though? We got an iPod, you don't, to each his own. *hugs his iPod* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I want an iPod, because of my iTunes Music Store purchases. Actually, I'd like to get <i>any</i> hard-drive based music player. But, because I don't really want to have to go through converting each purchase from the store to MP3 to get it to play on a different player, I'd rather go with an iPod. Creative Zen Touch's are nice, but I've heard some horror stories about their quality. The latest iriver 20GB is pretty ugly (and expensive), so I'm not really interested in that either. The Dell Jukebox looks like a good buy, but the conversion issue rears its ugly head once again. I guess I could get used to the whole thing... it <i>is</i> cheaper at first, but buying CDs would be pricey in the long run.
If you happen to be a student you can knock about $30 off the price of an iPod on Apple's site. Their still expensive, but it does take some of the sting out of it. Oh, theres also free laser engraving if that floats your boat.
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edited February 2005
<span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'>i'd just like to point out that it's not about the EARBUDS that come with the player.. it's about the quality of the actual player's audio output. <b>and zen has ipod beat in terms of clarity and definition.</b></span>
<!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Feb 5 2005, 01:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Feb 5 2005, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'>i'd just like to point out that it's not about the EARBUDS that come with the player.. it's about the quality of the actual player's audio output. <b>and zen has ipod beat in terms of clarity and definition.</b></span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ...gig for gig. Apple's Lossless is pretty damn hard to beat if you have the space to spare (although I'm not familiar enough with Zen to nkow if you can get Lossless quality on it). Also, the actual difference in clarity and definition is quite minor, pretty much unnoticable if there's any real background noise around you...
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That's about the size of it. I'd rather be a theif than pump my hard earned money into an evil system.
But the point is that you're still downloading their songs, and while they may get little profit from your purchase, 10 cents add up to a lot of money when a popular artist releases a CD. It doesn't matter whether when you use iTunes to buy it, they might get 'darn close to zero'. You're still a thief.
Doing stuff like that is like downloading with Satan! AWESOME! Why make a big deal out of it, it won't stop us from doing it.
But the point is that you're still downloading their songs, and while they may get little profit from your purchase, 10 cents add up to a lot of money when a popular artist releases a CD. It doesn't matter whether when you use iTunes to buy it, they might get 'darn close to zero'. You're still a thief. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You don't get it, I object to the concept of buying music on a moral level. Yes, they may get 10 cents, but 10 cents is not nearly enough. The fact that they get ripped off in such a manner is disgusting, and when you buy a CD you're perpetuating that flawed sytem and telling those who run it that they can get away with fleecing you the costumer for overcharging you and the artist by underpaying them. I steal from this system as my way of expressing disaproval with it in the hopes that everyone else will join in with me and cause it to change.
And you can stop pointing out I'm a theif, I have admitted it several times.
Everyone I know that has an iPod also loves it. They didn't buy it because of marketing; they bought it because it's a simple, easy to use product that anyone with two brain cells to rub together can figure out. I don't mean to stereotype my brethren, but it seems like nerdy kids and CS majors are the only people that I talk to and have beef with Apple or the iPod. What's wrong with making technology simple, elegant, and accessible? Sheesh.
Go ahead. Flame on.
Giving ten cents to an artist is not enough to justify giving many times more than that to perpetuate a system set up to exploit that same artist out of what they really deserve.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What's wrong with making technology simple, elegant, and accessible?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nothing, and that's why most of iPod's compeditors have done it except better and cheaper. Honestly though, if you like the iPod iterface I beg you to use the Zen Xtra interface, from someone who has used may different mp3 players I can say the Xtra is the best interface on the market today. And if you like the iPod's sound quality, then I beg you to give the Rio Karma a listen, the sound is absolutely awesome comparatively. And both of these are way cheaper and have better batteries.
Yes it was overpriced, and yes it's sound quality is generally lesser byte for byte when compared to Zen, Rio , etc.. I have an iPod. I love it. I also buy all my music. It's amazing how little clutter my hard drive has now that I have to think about whether I really need 4 renditions of the rubber ducky song on my computer.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 10 cents per cd the last time I checked. How much do you think they get every time someone buys it off of iTunes? I'd say that number is pretty darn close to zero.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, artists get 10 cents per 99 cent download. So, they're actually getting 10 to 20 times what they get from regular album contracts according to you. Yup, Apple is one evil corporation.
<a href='http://www.narip.com/index.php?page=article/Shrinking' target='_blank'>Source.</a>
And by stealing from them, they get nothing from you at all. How are you helping?
Yeah, lets pay just the artists, and let 90% of the entertainment industry fall into the ocean. Thats a real smart one man.
And by stealing from them, they get nothing from you at all. How are you helping?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Eh I thought he covered that. Is this going around in circles?
Anyway I don't forsee good things for this thread. Also I like that lots of people are buying apple products. The more money apple spends on sexy looking stuff the better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
That's how this glorious system works! The executives, recording studies, and engineers who produce the albums, all of which who worked hard to get where they are, deserve to be paid absolutely nothing for their hard work - but the artist? Oh yeah - they need to be paid all the money they can get!
In fact, they need to get paid more than the executives! And the executives - they shouldn't care! This is music, for crying out loud! This isn't a business contract - wait - what's that? They made a contract? The artists agreed to these wages they're receiving? Wow.
I guess this makes this whole illegal file downloading for the sake of the artists excuse totally baseless! Perhaps these thieves are using the artists as a way to rationalize their corrupt behavior? No, probably not. It's probably true. RIAA produces music for thousands of dollars, using equipment that costs thousands of dollars, hiring workers that cost thousands of dollars - but never expect to ever see any sort of money back on that investment! Isn't music great?
That's how this glorious system works! The executives, recording studies, and engineers who produce the albums, all of which who worked hard to get where they are, deserve to be paid absolutely nothing for their hard work - but the artist? Oh yeah - they need to be paid all the money they can get!
In fact, they need to get paid more than the executives! And the executives - they shouldn't care! This is music, for crying out loud! This isn't a business contract - wait - what's that? They made a contract? The artists agreed to these wages they're receiving? Wow.
I guess this makes this whole illegal file downloading for the sake of the artists excuse totally baseless! Perhaps these thieves are using the artists as a way to rationalize their corrupt behavior? No, probably not. It's probably true. RIAA produces music for thousands of dollars, using equipment that costs thousands of dollars, hiring workers that cost thousands of dollars - but never expect to ever see any sort of money back on that investment! Isn't music great? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I still think the RIAA is going about things badly. Ironically, the music industry was making almost 2x as much as they are now when Napster was thriving- but its because more small artists were getting records bought, contrary to now, where everyone is so scared of downloading and being arrested that no one finds out about new, small artists. RIAA kinda shot themselves in the foot with this.
That's how this glorious system works! The executives, recording studies, and engineers who produce the albums, all of which who worked hard to get where they are, deserve to be paid absolutely nothing for their hard work - but the artist? Oh yeah - they need to be paid all the money they can get!
In fact, they need to get paid more than the executives! And the executives - they shouldn't care! This is music, for crying out loud! This isn't a business contract - wait - what's that? They made a contract? The artists agreed to these wages they're receiving? Wow.
I guess this makes this whole illegal file downloading for the sake of the artists excuse totally baseless! Perhaps these thieves are using the artists as a way to rationalize their corrupt behavior? No, probably not. It's probably true. RIAA produces music for thousands of dollars, using equipment that costs thousands of dollars, hiring workers that cost thousands of dollars - but never expect to ever see any sort of money back on that investment! Isn't music great? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
W00t, looks like MedHead hit this thread like a ton of bricks.
Bricks made OF PURE GOLD!
Yeah, lets pay just the artists, and let 90% of the entertainment industry fall into the ocean. Thats a real smart one man. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not going to get involved in the debate here, but I have a comment to make:
If the artists had to buy the soundboards by themselves, the soundboards would be cheaper. A company will not charge more than their customers can afford.
If the artists had to buy the soundboards by themselves, the soundboards would be cheaper. A company will not charge more than their customers can afford. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps - but artists can buy cheaper soundboards that put out acceptable quality music. They <b>choose</b> to sign up with the record labels. It is of no fault but their own that they don't like what money they get (and it's more than I will ever see).
However, as long as there are companies producing music, the price of the software and hardware will remain high, independant artists or not.
I want an iPod, because of my iTunes Music Store purchases. Actually, I'd like to get <i>any</i> hard-drive based music player. But, because I don't really want to have to go through converting each purchase from the store to MP3 to get it to play on a different player, I'd rather go with an iPod. Creative Zen Touch's are nice, but I've heard some horror stories about their quality. The latest iriver 20GB is pretty ugly (and expensive), so I'm not really interested in that either. The Dell Jukebox looks like a good buy, but the conversion issue rears its ugly head once again. I guess I could get used to the whole thing... it <i>is</i> cheaper at first, but buying CDs would be pricey in the long run.
...gig for gig. Apple's Lossless is pretty damn hard to beat if you have the space to spare (although I'm not familiar enough with Zen to nkow if you can get Lossless quality on it). Also, the actual difference in clarity and definition is quite minor, pretty much unnoticable if there's any real background noise around you...