lol i love this version of bast. requires lots of marine teamwork <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> i wish there was a version of every map just like this
I know this is childish behavior (and it's not right), and if you see the log in page 2 you'd see how "I am" in the NSPT channel most of the time making stupid unfunny jokes, etc.
As for the original poster in the CM forum, I've already sent him a PM apologizing (and telling him I'm interested in adding detail there).
I'm sorry, but when I read things like: "REFINERY IS HUGE NOW LOL GO BACK TO BAST 2.0 TO FIX IT" I want to stab people in the face... you know, when they MAKE UP CHANGES THAT NEVER HAPPENED, Refinery is as HUGE as it has been before. Then I've had to read someone saying N Corridor was bigger, or removed (when in fact it hasn't changed at all).
At first I ignored the critics, but this has got to a point that it feels like being abused, every time "the bast topic" gets brought up I just HAVE to post. I can assure you that most of the real feedback I've got comes from #ns-pt and the PT forum, I can't say the community has been nice to me, maybe in the mapping forum (except gigabyte, that insisted in re-remaking bast and that I did a crap job on it, HI MAN I HOPE YOU'RE HAVING FUN!), but from the rest... only a small number of individuals.
Actually, yoda must be one of the few people that has told me he doesn't like the new bast and I didn't mind. You might wonder: "HOW DO YOU DO THAT? YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY PAPERCLIP LOL" and I would probably tell you to google it, but NO. He did it in a pretty educated manner and I didn't want to punch him in the face or things like that, there's this thing we call EDUCATED COMMUNICATION over here and I heard it works pretty well.
Anyways, I know that this is wrong, but you know they're not right, either. I don't think I'm actually representing anyone... In fact, I'm just that, a contributor, I'm not part of the Dev team and I don't represent them AFAIK. If you, for example, make a high-poly gorge, and they decide to include it, they'd make you contributor because you made a <b>contribution</b> to Natural Selection, that's what I've done.
In fact, I'm just a stupid moron posting in an internet message board. I've changed this text so much now that I don't think it's properly structured or makes sense anymore. Take it as you want. This isn't a topic to say "awwwwww poor mendasp", this is a joke, a JOKE. In fact I've said that this release is like "my little revenge".
Keyword: JOKE.
PS: I get good feedback from the PTs already (I always welcome constructive criticism, if you see the changes I've done to sava, for example), even though some people refuse to think the PTs actually do anything right, since they would make a TOTALLY BETTER JOB BECAUSE THEY ARE AWESOME (which means they just want to get to try the new versions first and then never give feedback about the builds).
Oh, and I'm not quitting, I wonder where people got that from...
I'm glad we sorted this out, as I said, beta 6 bast far outweighs the rest in playability, the only link people have to the old is nostalga.
All I say to the people who MUST play old versions, simply put them on a server (ask nicely an admin?), They work with 3.0 (the models do i mean, EXCEPT nancy and caged, onos evolves in the floor), and infact, I'll link u too a dl of ALL the 1.x maps that work in 3.0 for your ease : <a href='http://www.shadow-corps.net/section/file/nsmaps/oldmaps/' target='_blank'>HERE THEY ARE</a>
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Jan 30 2005, 02:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Jan 30 2005, 02:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One word of advice is that you don't go onos in 1.04 maps. Unless you want to be stuck in the floor. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As I said, only on caged and nancy. The rest are fine <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+Jan 30 2005, 04:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ Jan 30 2005, 04:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bast should of been removed, not remade. Same goes with Nancy.
Ns has slowly become bloated with bad maps and its time to cull a few off. However it seems that if a map has any semblance of a fanbase then thats enough to keep it included. Meanwhile servers everywhere empty as the map changes to Agora, Altair, or Mineshaft.
It seems the only way maps will ever be removed is by techincal things like loss of source files.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You have a few options in this case 1) Shut your mouth because you're not going to give the mappers any kind of usefull critisism. 2) Make your own map since you think you know how to map better than us. 3) Actually rub a few brain cells together and give us some usefull feedback that we can use.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkFrost+Jan 30 2005, 05:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkFrost @ Jan 30 2005, 05:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mendasp, you need to sort your attitude, seriously, here they call this "Brat", comes from the "Spoiled" and "Get your own way" type of people, THEN you go and show how mature you really are, by this thread. No, thats not cool... if people critisize your work AT ALL, you become this spoiled brat, and attack, instead of asking why.
Show a little respect to the community you assume you maintain, the rest of these people can stop brown nosing you, and instead of "OH ITS GREAT" "OMG MENDASP IS THE GOD!!" give you feedback that actually helps? Do you even ask "Why do you like this one?" nah you love the praise, like you attack the critics.
People like you are the main reason people leave this community. Think about what (as one of the contributers) you say, as people like you are the image of the community.. sad as it is.
You need to take your head out of your arse, and ask "Why don't you like this part, or that part?"
And remember in the long run, to these people who appear to love you, you are nothing.
You people telling him his map is poor, tell him why? You are to blame for his attitude as much as any, and this thread, telling him to put it in the recycle bin... come on? You need to tell him, "I don't like this part because...." suggest something reasonable and an explanation WHY you think it'll work. Don't say "Because the old one was better". I miss old bast as much as any, but I dont critisize someones changes, just because they don't follow the old way it was. I love what he has done in refinary, (B6) there is ALOT more cover, making it far more alien friendly, as you have to admit refinary was a terrible hive to start with in previous builds, due to the well... open space, I hated the route to engine in beta 5, thats been reworked, and you cant take a 10 second stroll there now. The only gripe I have, and had WAY back too, is double res favours marine start and feedwater, giving marines a huge res boost, and making feedwater a sore hive to start in. Not alot he can do with that however, would mean reworking the entire map to change that one room.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you realized the ammount of complaining we mappers got, you would probably understand a bit more. It's amazing that Mendasp still jokes and pokes fun at bast with all the useless feedback and complaining that people have been giving him since he started the remake.
<!--QuoteBegin-Wither+Jan 30 2005, 06:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wither @ Jan 30 2005, 06:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->He shouldn't have to ask people that reply with "this map sux" why they dislike it. If they had half a brain they would give <b>constructive</b> feedback straight away.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wither's speaks the truth.
I find it exasperating that people still give unconstructive criticism. I mean, how are maps meant to improve if they won't even say why they don't like it. It's as if some people think it is so blindingly obvious to mappers why their map isn't as good as it could be. Making a map, gives you a biased point of view towards your map, so its not always obvious sometimes what is good about your map and what needs improved. Lastly, its just insulting to say things like 'map A should be removed etc' without even backing up your own arguments.
This is like a teen angst thread or something, notice none of the offcial level-designers **** and whine, they get on with their job and do it. Hence a lot of them getting professional jobs.
<!--QuoteBegin-bliNk+Jan 30 2005, 03:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (bliNk @ Jan 30 2005, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is like a teen angst thread or something, notice none of the offcial level-designers **** and whine, they get on with their job and do it. Hence a lot of them getting professional jobs.
Edit: I think you missed the point of this thread anyways. Edit2: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79725&st=15' target='_blank'>Now it makes more sense</a>. <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=78600&st=30&#entry1221671' target='_blank'>Yes, you're a real mature guy</a>.
Why is Mendasp apologising again? I forget. Seriously, if you liked the original map so much why dont you remake it yourself? then when people continue to **** at you for the obvious flaws of the original, maybe you'll understand why Mendasp isnt so nice to your reactions.
<!--QuoteBegin-comrade+Jan 30 2005, 03:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (comrade @ Jan 30 2005, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> maybe it shouldn't have been remade because it was never good and never can be while still showing any resemblance to the bast we have now <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Why was it never good?
Jeez guys, welcome the real world. You don't get everything on a plate, not everyone is useful and you can't please everyone, so stop trying. And don't try that 'internet serious buisness crap', it doesn't suit you.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkFrost+Jan 30 2005, 09:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkFrost @ Jan 30 2005, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-comrade+Jan 30 2005, 03:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (comrade @ Jan 30 2005, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> maybe it shouldn't have been remade because it was never good and never can be while still showing any resemblance to the bast we have now <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why was it never good? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> because it was always horribly unbalanced and unfair to both teams, kinda like mineshaft. the situation IS better now and will hopefully be even better in b6. the old bast was just so full of unfair things that making the map anywhere near balanced requires huge amounts of work.
and that workload is not helped by people who refuse to give actual comments and feedback, but promptly proceed to attack the map and / or mapper. i know this is how the world works, people are stupid and all but thats not an excuse to not get **** off, especially if one has committed a lot of time and effort into making something.
and yeah, none of the other official map creators angst and whine, because most of them have moved on or quit ns otherwise. why? because of the childish part of the community that takes everything for granted and gives nothing but flames in return. learn to map yourselves, learn to give mature criticism or even better, go to hell.
The idea was that comrade reply to that, but would you like a cookie sir? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
*sigh* Internet arguements and flamewars are a waste of computer bytes and energy <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/style_images/TSA_Skin-975/icon3.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
To whiners and flamers just be glad you are playing a free game with free maps.
@ Mendasp Next time you see someone flames you Mendasp without any usefull feedback just ignore them. Be the bigger man, don't let yourself get provoked into useless arguements, since all it does is make you more mad. Take this advice and we might have a chance at world piece <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+Jan 30 2005, 03:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ Jan 30 2005, 03:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Mendasp you might be joking now but you sounded quite serious when you responded to the flames in the original bast remake thread. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Point is, this thread was meant as a joke... (upside-down bast... durr), although I don't know what it is now.
And my responses to flames are serious because they have to be serious. If you think I overreact you obviously don't know the amazing world of bast!
Also, I have very little patience, which leads to me responding to a big number of crap comments... And thank god I don't have as much english vocabulary as I'd like to...
I'm not crying about the number of critics I get, I simply respond to them (and I know it's not common seeing mappers doing this). I'm not the one making this a big deal... It's a part of the community which seems it can't get past the 1.0 era...
There's something worse than this situation... getting ZERO comments.
Other mappers might not respond like me, but they definitely agree with me in how stupid a certain sector of the community is and the big amount of useless feedback we get ("map is dark", "map is ****" are two very repeated examples).
btw, I'm going to do like the mentioned part of the community to say:
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
<!--QuoteBegin-Mendasp+Jan 30 2005, 05:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendasp @ Jan 30 2005, 05:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And thank god I don't have as much english vocabulary as I'd like to... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ROFL!!! That's some lorerious shite <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->because most of them have moved on or quit ns otherwise. why? because of the childish part of the community that takes everything for granted and gives nothing but flames in return.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How do you know thats why they left? I thought it was due to most of em getting jobs <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Mendasp+Jan 30 2005, 09:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendasp @ Jan 30 2005, 09:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ("map is dark", "map is ****" are two very repeated examples). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How about a new rule for the forums: anyone making wise*** comments like that about bast gets a 1 day temporary suspension? Chances are it would cut down on the flaming a good deal. ^^
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Jan 30 2005, 05:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Jan 30 2005, 05:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How about we let Mendasp get angry at the awesome feedback he gets, it's a source of entertainement after all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It won't be entertainment until someone invents a device to punch people in the face through Internet.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Mendasp+Jan 30 2005, 10:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendasp @ Jan 30 2005, 10:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Jan 30 2005, 05:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Jan 30 2005, 05:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How about we let Mendasp get angry at the awesome feedback he gets, it's a source of entertainement after all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It won't be entertainment until someone invents a device to punch people in the face through Internet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll start working on it immediately. Do you want the fist to be like a boxing glove*, or more like an armored gauntlet?
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As for the original poster in the CM forum, I've already sent him a PM apologizing (and telling him I'm interested in adding detail there).
I'm sorry, but when I read things like: "REFINERY IS HUGE NOW LOL GO BACK TO BAST 2.0 TO FIX IT" I want to stab people in the face... you know, when they MAKE UP CHANGES THAT NEVER HAPPENED, Refinery is as HUGE as it has been before. Then I've had to read someone saying N Corridor was bigger, or removed (when in fact it hasn't changed at all).
At first I ignored the critics, but this has got to a point that it feels like being abused, every time "the bast topic" gets brought up I just HAVE to post. I can assure you that most of the real feedback I've got comes from #ns-pt and the PT forum, I can't say the community has been nice to me, maybe in the mapping forum (except gigabyte, that insisted in re-remaking bast and that I did a crap job on it, HI MAN I HOPE YOU'RE HAVING FUN!), but from the rest... only a small number of individuals.
Actually, yoda must be one of the few people that has told me he doesn't like the new bast and I didn't mind. You might wonder: "HOW DO YOU DO THAT? YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY PAPERCLIP LOL" and I would probably tell you to google it, but NO. He did it in a pretty educated manner and I didn't want to punch him in the face or things like that, there's this thing we call EDUCATED COMMUNICATION over here and I heard it works pretty well.
Anyways, I know that this is wrong, but you know they're not right, either. I don't think I'm actually representing anyone... In fact, I'm just that, a contributor, I'm not part of the Dev team and I don't represent them AFAIK. If you, for example, make a high-poly gorge, and they decide to include it, they'd make you contributor because you made a <b>contribution</b> to Natural Selection, that's what I've done.
In fact, I'm just a stupid moron posting in an internet message board. I've changed this text so much now that I don't think it's properly structured or makes sense anymore. Take it as you want. This isn't a topic to say "awwwwww poor mendasp", this is a joke, a JOKE. In fact I've said that this release is like "my little revenge".
Keyword: JOKE.
PS: I get good feedback from the PTs already (I always welcome constructive criticism, if you see the changes I've done to sava, for example), even though some people refuse to think the PTs actually do anything right, since they would make a TOTALLY BETTER JOB BECAUSE THEY ARE AWESOME (which means they just want to get to try the new versions first and then never give feedback about the builds).
Oh, and I'm not quitting, I wonder where people got that from...
Edit: DRAMA! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
All I say to the people who MUST play old versions, simply put them on a server (ask nicely an admin?), They work with 3.0 (the models do i mean, EXCEPT nancy and caged, onos evolves in the floor), and infact, I'll link u too a dl of ALL the 1.x maps that work in 3.0 for your ease :
<a href='http://www.shadow-corps.net/section/file/nsmaps/oldmaps/' target='_blank'>HERE THEY ARE</a>
As I said, only on caged and nancy. The rest are fine <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Ns has slowly become bloated with bad maps and its time to cull a few off. However it seems that if a map has any semblance of a fanbase then thats enough to keep it included. Meanwhile servers everywhere empty as the map changes to Agora, Altair, or Mineshaft.
It seems the only way maps will ever be removed is by techincal things like loss of source files.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You have a few options in this case
1) Shut your mouth because you're not going to give the mappers any kind of usefull critisism.
2) Make your own map since you think you know how to map better than us.
3) Actually rub a few brain cells together and give us some usefull feedback that we can use.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkFrost+Jan 30 2005, 05:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkFrost @ Jan 30 2005, 05:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mendasp, you need to sort your attitude, seriously, here they call this "Brat", comes from the "Spoiled" and "Get your own way" type of people, THEN you go and show how mature you really are, by this thread. No, thats not cool... if people critisize your work AT ALL, you become this spoiled brat, and attack, instead of asking why.
Show a little respect to the community you assume you maintain, the rest of these people can stop brown nosing you, and instead of "OH ITS GREAT" "OMG MENDASP IS THE GOD!!" give you feedback that actually helps? Do you even ask "Why do you like this one?" nah you love the praise, like you attack the critics.
People like you are the main reason people leave this community. Think about what (as one of the contributers) you say, as people like you are the image of the community.. sad as it is.
You need to take your head out of your arse, and ask "Why don't you like this part, or that part?"
And remember in the long run, to these people who appear to love you, you are nothing.
You people telling him his map is poor, tell him why? You are to blame for his attitude as much as any, and this thread, telling him to put it in the recycle bin... come on? You need to tell him, "I don't like this part because...." suggest something reasonable and an explanation WHY you think it'll work. Don't say "Because the old one was better". I miss old bast as much as any, but I dont critisize someones changes, just because they don't follow the old way it was. I love what he has done in refinary, (B6) there is ALOT more cover, making it far more alien friendly, as you have to admit refinary was a terrible hive to start with in previous builds, due to the well... open space, I hated the route to engine in beta 5, thats been reworked, and you cant take a 10 second stroll there now. The only gripe I have, and had WAY back too, is double res favours marine start and feedwater, giving marines a huge res boost, and making feedwater a sore hive to start in. Not alot he can do with that however, would mean reworking the entire map to change that one room.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you realized the ammount of complaining we mappers got, you would probably understand a bit more. It's amazing that Mendasp still jokes and pokes fun at bast with all the useless feedback and complaining that people have been giving him since he started the remake.
<!--QuoteBegin-Wither+Jan 30 2005, 06:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wither @ Jan 30 2005, 06:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->He shouldn't have to ask people that reply with "this map sux" why they dislike it. If they had half a brain they would give <b>constructive</b> feedback straight away.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wither's speaks the truth.
...
...it's friggin' upside-down... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Grow up.
Grow up. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Internet. Serious business.
PS: I don't map to get a job, btw.
Edit: I think you missed the point of this thread anyways.
Edit2: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79725&st=15' target='_blank'>Now it makes more sense</a>. <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=78600&st=30&#entry1221671' target='_blank'>Yes, you're a real mature guy</a>.
Welcome to Internet, good sirs.
Why was it never good?
Why was it never good? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
because it was always horribly unbalanced and unfair to both teams, kinda like mineshaft. the situation IS better now and will hopefully be even better in b6. the old bast was just so full of unfair things that making the map anywhere near balanced requires huge amounts of work.
and that workload is not helped by people who refuse to give actual comments and feedback, but promptly proceed to attack the map and / or mapper. i know this is how the world works, people are stupid and all but thats not an excuse to not get **** off, especially if one has committed a lot of time and effort into making something.
and yeah, none of the other official map creators angst and whine, because most of them have moved on or quit ns otherwise. why? because of the childish part of the community that takes everything for granted and gives nothing but flames in return. learn to map yourselves, learn to give mature criticism or even better, go to hell.
To whiners and flamers just be glad you are playing a free game with free maps.
@ Mendasp
Next time you see someone flames you Mendasp without any usefull feedback just ignore them. Be the bigger man, don't let yourself get provoked into useless arguements, since all it does is make you more mad. Take this advice and we might have a chance at world piece <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Point is, this thread was meant as a joke... (upside-down bast... durr), although I don't know what it is now.
And my responses to flames are serious because they have to be serious. If you think I overreact you obviously don't know the amazing world of bast!
Also, I have very little patience, which leads to me responding to a big number of crap comments... And thank god I don't have as much english vocabulary as I'd like to...
I'm not crying about the number of critics I get, I simply respond to them (and I know it's not common seeing mappers doing this). I'm not the one making this a big deal... It's a part of the community which seems it can't get past the 1.0 era...
There's something worse than this situation... getting ZERO comments.
Other mappers might not respond like me, but they definitely agree with me in how stupid a certain sector of the community is and the big amount of useless feedback we get ("map is dark", "map is ****" are two very repeated examples).
btw, I'm going to do like the mentioned part of the community to say:
OMG U RAPED MY THREAD WTH!!!!!1111 MORONS!!111
Hope it feels good to derail a thread.
ROFL!!! That's some lorerious shite <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
How do you know thats why they left? I thought it was due to most of em getting jobs <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
How about a new rule for the forums: anyone making wise*** comments like that about bast gets a 1 day temporary suspension? Chances are it would cut down on the flaming a good deal. ^^
It won't be entertainment until someone invents a device to punch people in the face through Internet.
It won't be entertainment until someone invents a device to punch people in the face through Internet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll start working on it immediately. Do you want the fist to be like a boxing glove*, or more like an armored gauntlet?
Boxing glove:
<img src='http://store.nypost.com/shp_images/merch_200.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
gauntlet:
<img src='http://www.steltercreativewoodworks.com/STELTER1/Witchking_Cost/IMAG0002.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
I give it 10/10 for good map.