someone please explain where this is comming from and where it's headed? I've read it multiple times and i STILL dont get it. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <span style='color:red'><b>WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD?!</b></span>
Is it stating that people should stop bashing eachother about clan/non-clan things? Is it about scripting? Skill? Res hoarding?
It's about the way some pub servers refuse to change their viewpoint, or even look at the evidence... It's about this culture of ignorance <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 7 2004, 06:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 7 2004, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Nov 7 2004, 07:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Nov 7 2004, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 7 2004, 05:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 7 2004, 05:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Nov 7 2004, 04:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Nov 7 2004, 04:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> part of the problem is that there ARE clanners that are elitest/rambo/****, and these clanners have given a bad image to people about ALL clanners. If you want them to listen, you have to break this image somehow (if nothing else, clanners will gain respect for being nice fair players, even on pubs) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> See, you're stereotyping. Just cuz you see a vet who is a ****, doesn't mean they all are. It's like me hating all pubbers, just cuz a few of them wanted to ban me from a server, or called me mean names once. It just doesn't make sense to hate a vast group of people because one was mean to you once. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i wasnt stereotyping, im saying that there are people who have based on the actions of a few vets.
read more carefully <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> no you're stereotyping when you go from <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->part of the problem is that there ARE clanners that are elitest/rambo/****<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> to <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and these clanners have given a bad image to people about ALL clanners<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They SHOULDN'T give a bad image to people about all clanners. That's stereotyping... I don't hate all pubbers in NS because a few of them were mean to me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> sooo, by saying people have formed stereotypes due to the actions of a few people, i am being stereotypical <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I was in a clan with some VERY nice players (not really a compeditive clan, but we were trying to pull together and get ready to)
For a short time, there was a real **** in the clan, but he due to a combination of not deing liked by other clan members and the fact that despite many efforts, no-one in the clan seemed to care about being compeditive
Our server (now dead <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) had some VERY nice regulars, including a handful of vets (and possibly flayra occasionally, but im not sure about that). From these vets, there was some nice friendly vets, and then a person that i HATED playing against. If it werent for the leader of the clan repeatedly stating that said vet was really that could, i would have definately believed this guy had hax (as it is, i still kinda think that). H was a hardcore play-to-win type. Hwever, despite his playing style while on pubs, he wasnt an elitist about it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 7 2004, 05:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 7 2004, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's about the way some pub servers refuse to change their viewpoint, or even look at the evidence... It's about this culture of ignorance <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh, ok. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Quite frankly you can't really do anything to change the hardcore member's views, really, so dont even bother. The person that says "Pub > Clanners damn elitists" or "Clanners r 1337 four evar!" can't really change their veiwpoint no matter how much <i>you</i> hammer it into their skulls.
However, as soon as someone from above - FAR above - comes down and smacks both groups around, the issue will never be resolved.
You aren't being stereotypical, but what you're saying people are doing is stereotyping. I'm saying they shouldn't <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Maveric+Nov 7 2004, 07:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maveric @ Nov 7 2004, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 7 2004, 05:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 7 2004, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's about the way some pub servers refuse to change their viewpoint, or even look at the evidence... It's about this culture of ignorance <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh, ok. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Quite frankly you can't really do anything to change the hardcore member's views, really, so dont even bother. The person that says "Pub > Clanners damn elitists" or "Clanners r 1337 four evar!" can't really change their veiwpoint no matter how much <i>you</i> hammer it into their skulls.
However, as soon as someone from above - FAR above - comes down and smacks both groups around, the issue will never be resolved. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Flayra needs to say somethin imo...
and my favorite is when some guy on a pub says "clans are for noobs, the best players stay independent"... neg.
Scripts are blocked because they give you an advantage. Everyone that scripts like a **** says they don't give an advantage, so therefore you'd be able to live without them, wouldn't you?
<!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 07:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 07:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Scripts are blocked because they give you an advantage. Everyone that scripts like a **** says they don't give an advantage, so therefore you'd be able to live without them, wouldn't you? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A good example of the problem I talked about in the original post....
Do you know how scripts work? Do you know what they can and can't do?
<!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 06:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Scripts are blocked because they give you an advantage. Everyone that scripts like a **** says they don't give an advantage, so therefore you'd be able to live without them, wouldn't you? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah. They give us the advantage of not having to replace a 50$ mouse every three months. That's a <i>HUGE</i> advantage.
<!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 07:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 07:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Everyone that scripts like a **** says they don't give an advantage, so therefore you'd be able to live without them, wouldn't you?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's customization.
I script. I "script like a ****". My config files total about 10Kb in size. I'm not a clanner.
I can live without scripts. The point, however, is why block a customization when it's nothing bad?
I'm personally not blaming specific servers, I feel it's their choice. I do play on mp_blockscript 1 servers if I can't find any others suitable. I do just as bad as when I play on mp_blockscript 0 servers.
In all honesty I think this thread had good intentions just it wasn't pulled off very well.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dragon_Mech+Nov 7 2004, 07:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dragon_Mech @ Nov 7 2004, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 06:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Scripts are blocked because they give you an advantage. Everyone that scripts like a **** says they don't give an advantage, so therefore you'd be able to live without them, wouldn't you? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah. They give us the advantage of not having to replace a 50$ mouse every three months. That's a <i>HUGE</i> advantage. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you're an idiot, yeah. $50 is nothing, and I've never had a mouse button wear out.
<!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If it was customization the scripts would come with NS and be able to be bound in controls. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You can. But that requires a mediocum of knowledge about the HL engine. OMG ADVANTAGE!1!11
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 7 2004, 05:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 7 2004, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (Damnit this is something that forlorn would do <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It really was. But in all fairness I agree with you. People who hold the mentality that they're somehow creating a level playingfield for the world by creating a script blocking variable are without a doubt very confused. Who let Voogru sneak on the dev team anyways?
The mistake lies in creating multiple ways to play the same game. A clan game looks very different than a pub game, and with the addition of more server variables to be changed when league cfg's are pulled up they begin to look even further apart. The dev team should be working towards bringing the two styles together so that there's one general idea of how the game should be played. Instead we're stuck in a world of clanners who are used to a game where every second counts and pubbies are content to build turret farm after turret farm. It'd be a good direction for NS to move in if scripts were either blocked or forever left untouched.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 06:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If it was customization the scripts would come with NS and be able to be bound in controls. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> if it wasnt supposed to be in NS, you wouldnt be able to make them
:edit: i dont use scripts, but i dont think they are the work of the devil either
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 7 2004, 07:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 7 2004, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Do you know how scripts work? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Unrelated. Some ancient wallhacks used holes in the HL rendering engine, doesn't mean they're okay.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you know what they can and can't do?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hmm let's see, they can help you bunnyhop by removing most of the challenge in it. They can fire your pistol insanely fast without the lowered accuracy that comes from clicking a lot. They can even assist in movement exploits like wigglewalk. Sounds perfectly innocent to me.
<!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 06:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you're an idiot, yeah. $50 is nothing, and I've never had a mouse button wear out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I would respond to that, but I honestly can't think of a non-flaming way to do so at the moment. I'm going to take a 10 minute walk to cool my head, and if your post hasn't been nuked when I get back, I will reply to it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you're an idiot, yeah.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Wow. I'm an idiot? I didn't realize that. Considering that I have an IQ of ~120, and am studying physics at one of the top 10 public colleges in the US, I'd like to congratulate you on graduating from Harvard <i>magna cu<span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>m</span> laude</i>. You are an inspiration to academics everywhere.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->$50 is nothing<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Really? Then I'd like to congratulate you again for having an easy life. To me, 50$ is <i>7 hours</i> of work. To be honest, you don't sound like you have to have a job. Well I do. And I have to work 7 hours to get $50. And I don't want to have to spend that much every few months because of the stress I used to put on my mouse to fire my pistol.
You want to know what 50$ also means to me? That is a nice Christmas gift for my sister. I have 3 other people in my immediate family, and every year I try to spend at least 50$ buying them gifts at Christmas as a little reminder of how much I love them despite our differences.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I've never had a mouse button wear out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Neither have I, thanks to how I've set up my n52. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Dragon_Mech+Nov 7 2004, 07:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dragon_Mech @ Nov 7 2004, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 06:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Scripts are blocked because they give you an advantage. Everyone that scripts like a **** says they don't give an advantage, so therefore you'd be able to live without them, wouldn't you? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah. They give us the advantage of not having to replace a 50$ mouse every three months. That's a <i>HUGE</i> advantage. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you're an idiot, yeah. $50 is nothing, and I've never had a mouse button wear out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> STAR REPLY TO MY POST, PLEASE? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It's also possible that the complete and total lack of interest in competitive play you see in the vast majority of the playerbase, combined with the attitudes of "clanners" and how they treat eachother, could be contributing negatively. Of course, I've believed that people know that the opportunity to clan is there, but really don't care. That's been my stance, at least.
Take it how you want as to what that says about the competitive scene, or about "pubbers". Either way, I'll never view a lack of competitive play in NS as a sign that it is dying, if only because I don't care about competitive play, and therefore it does not effect my gaming and I have no reason to care about what happens to it. To someone like myself, the mod is growing and improving.
Anyone ever play Tribes2? Remember autoflare scripts? Basically, the exact second a missle locked onto your vehicle, you'd throw a flare. This meant that if you were worrying about other things, repairing the bomber, shooting other vehicles, you didn't have to concentrate on keeping missiles away. It was an advantage, no matter how much of one. There were scripts to autorepair things too. Combine it with autoflare and you had 1-button tailgunning.
Customization? Sure. But it meant that people with 50 megs of scripts didn't ever have to multitask and could play without even paying attention much. They didn't have to concentrate on half the tasks vanilla players did.
<!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 07:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 7 2004, 07:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 7 2004, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Do you know how scripts work? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Unrelated. Some ancient wallhacks used holes in the HL rendering engine, doesn't mean they're okay.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you know what they can and can't do?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hmm let's see, they can help you bunnyhop by removing most of the challenge in it. They can fire your pistol insanely fast without the lowered accuracy that comes from clicking a lot. They can even assist in movement exploits like wigglewalk. Sounds perfectly innocent to me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> k it's clear you don't know what you're talking about. =\
This thread is not about scripts, but please don't come here ignorant to a certain subject and spout off.
For example, scripts DO NOT remove most of the challenge in bhop... sorry.
If you don't like being ignorant to a topic, go ahead and educate yourself about HL's scripting language. It's really really simple... takes about 5 minutes to learn, if not less
Nada the answer your seeking for is simple. Many players neither want to be good nor be destroyed round after round.
You see, there are many players who in a years time of playing this game have made about a 0% improvement. Those who improve in pubs search themselves for something more challanging when they are ready. Obviously those who play in servers like voogru's neither want to improve nor be raped by you. Their not really closed minded the way you think, they just dont want to admit to you their inability to learn the game. The end.
<!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 07:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 07:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyone ever play Tribes2? Remember autoflare scripts? Basically, the exact second a missle locked onto your vehicle, you'd throw a flare. This meant that if you were worrying about other things, repairing the bomber, shooting other vehicles, you didn't have to concentrate on keeping missiles away. It was an advantage, no matter how much of one. There were scripts to autorepair things too. Combine it with autoflare and you had 1-button tailgunning. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> amazing? HL's scripting engine is not that advanced. you can't do anything close to that
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 7 2004, 07:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 7 2004, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> haha read the last part of the first post....
It's about the way some pub servers refuse to change their viewpoint, or even look at the evidence... It's about this culture of ignorance <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ok... maybe I'm stupid or something... but it seems to me like I have yet to actually read what 'ignorance' you keep referring to. Youre basically saying 'Yea pubbers / pub servers are ignorant' but you have yet to say of what.
<!--QuoteBegin-Star+Nov 7 2004, 07:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Star @ Nov 7 2004, 07:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyone ever play Tribes2? Remember autoflare scripts? Basically, the exact second a missle locked onto your vehicle, you'd throw a flare. This meant that if you were worrying about other things, repairing the bomber, shooting other vehicles, you didn't have to concentrate on keeping missiles away. It was an advantage, no matter how much of one. There were scripts to autorepair things too. Combine it with autoflare and you had 1-button tailgunning. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats too bad, but we're talking about NS. Please stay on topic.
I'd put forth how my way of playing the mod is superior and if you didn't join me in playing that way, you would be inferior and need to admit it. Then again, I don't want to be arrogant.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Alpha-+Nov 7 2004, 06:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Alpha- @ Nov 7 2004, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nada the answer your seeking for is simple. Many players neither want to be good nor be destroyed round after round.
You see, there are many players who in a years time of playing this game have made about a 0% improvement. Those who improve in pubs search themselves for something more challanging when they are ready. Obviously those who play in servers like voogru's neither want to improve nor be raped by you. Their not really closed minded the way you think, they just dont want to admit to you their inability to learn the game. The end. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> while this can be true, another way of looking at it is:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The answer your seeking for is simple. Many players just want to have fun.
You see, there are many players who in a years time of playing this game have made about a 0% improvement. Those who improve in pubs search themselves for something more challanging when they are ready. Obviously those who play in servers like voogru's just want to have fun. Their not really closed minded the way you think, they are just trying to have fun, and feel that allowing scripts detracts from the fun factor.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
[opinion] while this may not be 100% accurate, i personally feel that it is more accuate than alpha's post [/opinion]
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I've read it multiple times and i STILL dont get it. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='color:red'><b>WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD?!</b></span>
Is it stating that people should stop bashing eachother about clan/non-clan things?
Is it about scripting?
Skill?
Res hoarding?
/brain fizzles under immense load
read the last part of the first post....
It's about the way some pub servers refuse to change their viewpoint, or even look at the evidence... It's about this culture of ignorance <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yeah.
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See, you're stereotyping. Just cuz you see a vet who is a ****, doesn't mean they all are. It's like me hating all pubbers, just cuz a few of them wanted to ban me from a server, or called me mean names once. It just doesn't make sense to hate a vast group of people because one was mean to you once. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i wasnt stereotyping, im saying that there are people who have based on the actions of a few vets.
read more carefully <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
no you're stereotyping when you go from
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->part of the problem is that there ARE clanners that are elitest/rambo/****<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
to
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and these clanners have given a bad image to people about ALL clanners<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They SHOULDN'T give a bad image to people about all clanners. That's stereotyping... I don't hate all pubbers in NS because a few of them were mean to me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
sooo, by saying people have formed stereotypes due to the actions of a few people, i am being stereotypical <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I was in a clan with some VERY nice players (not really a compeditive clan, but we were trying to pull together and get ready to)
For a short time, there was a real **** in the clan, but he due to a combination of not deing liked by other clan members and the fact that despite many efforts, no-one in the clan seemed to care about being compeditive
Our server (now dead <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) had some VERY nice regulars, including a handful of vets (and possibly flayra occasionally, but im not sure about that). From these vets, there was some nice friendly vets, and then a person that i HATED playing against. If it werent for the leader of the clan repeatedly stating that said vet was really that could, i would have definately believed this guy had hax (as it is, i still kinda think that). H was a hardcore play-to-win type. Hwever, despite his playing style while on pubs, he wasnt an elitist about it.
so dont tell me that im being stereotypical.
Oh, ok. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Quite frankly you can't really do anything to change the hardcore member's views, really, so dont even bother. The person that says "Pub > Clanners damn elitists" or "Clanners r 1337 four evar!" can't really change their veiwpoint no matter how much <i>you</i> hammer it into their skulls.
However, as soon as someone from above - FAR above - comes down and smacks both groups around, the issue will never be resolved.
You aren't being stereotypical, but what you're saying people are doing is stereotyping. I'm saying they shouldn't <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
miscommunication ftw
Oh, ok. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Quite frankly you can't really do anything to change the hardcore member's views, really, so dont even bother. The person that says "Pub > Clanners damn elitists" or "Clanners r 1337 four evar!" can't really change their veiwpoint no matter how much <i>you</i> hammer it into their skulls.
However, as soon as someone from above - FAR above - comes down and smacks both groups around, the issue will never be resolved. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Flayra needs to say somethin imo...
and my favorite is when some guy on a pub says "clans are for noobs, the best players stay independent"... neg.
A good example of the problem I talked about in the original post....
Do you know how scripts work?
Do you know what they can and can't do?
Yeah. They give us the advantage of not having to replace a 50$ mouse every three months. That's a <i>HUGE</i> advantage.
It's customization.
I script. I "script like a ****". My config files total about 10Kb in size. I'm not a clanner.
I can live without scripts. The point, however, is why block a customization when it's nothing bad?
I'm personally not blaming specific servers, I feel it's their choice. I do play on mp_blockscript 1 servers if I can't find any others suitable. I do just as bad as when I play on mp_blockscript 0 servers.
In all honesty I think this thread had good intentions just it wasn't pulled off very well.
Yeah. They give us the advantage of not having to replace a 50$ mouse every three months. That's a <i>HUGE</i> advantage. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you're an idiot, yeah. $50 is nothing, and I've never had a mouse button wear out.
You can. But that requires a mediocum of knowledge about the HL engine. OMG ADVANTAGE!1!11
Methinks Star is a smurf. I wonder for who.
It really was. But in all fairness I agree with you. People who hold the mentality that they're somehow creating a level playingfield for the world by creating a script blocking variable are without a doubt very confused. Who let Voogru sneak on the dev team anyways?
The mistake lies in creating multiple ways to play the same game. A clan game looks very different than a pub game, and with the addition of more server variables to be changed when league cfg's are pulled up they begin to look even further apart. The dev team should be working towards bringing the two styles together so that there's one general idea of how the game should be played. Instead we're stuck in a world of clanners who are used to a game where every second counts and pubbies are content to build turret farm after turret farm. It'd be a good direction for NS to move in if scripts were either blocked or forever left untouched.
if it wasnt supposed to be in NS, you wouldnt be able to make them
:edit: i dont use scripts, but i dont think they are the work of the devil either
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Unrelated. Some ancient wallhacks used holes in the HL rendering engine, doesn't mean they're okay.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you know what they can and can't do?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hmm let's see, they can help you bunnyhop by removing most of the challenge in it. They can fire your pistol insanely fast without the lowered accuracy that comes from clicking a lot. They can even assist in movement exploits like wigglewalk. Sounds perfectly innocent to me.
I would respond to that, but I honestly can't think of a non-flaming way to do so at the moment. I'm going to take a 10 minute walk to cool my head, and if your post hasn't been nuked when I get back, I will reply to it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you're an idiot, yeah.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Wow. I'm an idiot? I didn't realize that. Considering that I have an IQ of ~120, and am studying physics at one of the top 10 public colleges in the US, I'd like to congratulate you on graduating from Harvard <i>magna cu<span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>m</span> laude</i>. You are an inspiration to academics everywhere.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->$50 is nothing<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Really? Then I'd like to congratulate you again for having an easy life. To me, 50$ is <i>7 hours</i> of work. To be honest, you don't sound like you have to have a job. Well I do. And I have to work 7 hours to get $50. And I don't want to have to spend that much every few months because of the stress I used to put on my mouse to fire my pistol.
You want to know what 50$ also means to me? That is a nice Christmas gift for my sister. I have 3 other people in my immediate family, and every year I try to spend at least 50$ buying them gifts at Christmas as a little reminder of how much I love them despite our differences.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I've never had a mouse button wear out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Neither have I, thanks to how I've set up my n52. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yeah. They give us the advantage of not having to replace a 50$ mouse every three months. That's a <i>HUGE</i> advantage. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you're an idiot, yeah. $50 is nothing, and I've never had a mouse button wear out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
STAR REPLY TO MY POST, PLEASE? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Take it how you want as to what that says about the competitive scene, or about "pubbers". Either way, I'll never view a lack of competitive play in NS as a sign that it is dying, if only because I don't care about competitive play, and therefore it does not effect my gaming and I have no reason to care about what happens to it. To someone like myself, the mod is growing and improving.
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Unrelated. Some ancient wallhacks used holes in the HL rendering engine, doesn't mean they're okay.
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Foot. In. Mouth.
Customization? Sure. But it meant that people with 50 megs of scripts didn't ever have to multitask and could play without even paying attention much. They didn't have to concentrate on half the tasks vanilla players did.
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Unrelated. Some ancient wallhacks used holes in the HL rendering engine, doesn't mean they're okay.
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Hmm let's see, they can help you bunnyhop by removing most of the challenge in it. They can fire your pistol insanely fast without the lowered accuracy that comes from clicking a lot. They can even assist in movement exploits like wigglewalk. Sounds perfectly innocent to me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
k it's clear you don't know what you're talking about. =\
This thread is not about scripts, but please don't come here ignorant to a certain subject and spout off.
For example, scripts DO NOT remove most of the challenge in bhop... sorry.
If you don't like being ignorant to a topic, go ahead and educate yourself about HL's scripting language. It's really really simple... takes about 5 minutes to learn, if not less
You see, there are many players who in a years time of playing this game have made about a 0% improvement. Those who improve in pubs search themselves for something more challanging when they are ready. Obviously those who play in servers like voogru's neither want to improve nor be raped by you. Their not really closed minded the way you think, they just dont want to admit to you their inability to learn the game. The end.
amazing? HL's scripting engine is not that advanced. you can't do anything close to that
read the last part of the first post....
It's about the way some pub servers refuse to change their viewpoint, or even look at the evidence... It's about this culture of ignorance <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok... maybe I'm stupid or something... but it seems to me like I have yet to actually read what 'ignorance' you keep referring to. Youre basically saying 'Yea pubbers / pub servers are ignorant' but you have yet to say of what.
Thats too bad, but we're talking about NS. Please stay on topic.
You see, there are many players who in a years time of playing this game have made about a 0% improvement. Those who improve in pubs search themselves for something more challanging when they are ready. Obviously those who play in servers like voogru's neither want to improve nor be raped by you. Their not really closed minded the way you think, they just dont want to admit to you their inability to learn the game. The end. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
while this can be true, another way of looking at it is:
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You see, there are many players who in a years time of playing this game have made about a 0% improvement. Those who improve in pubs search themselves for something more challanging when they are ready. Obviously those who play in servers like voogru's just want to have fun. Their not really closed minded the way you think, they are just trying to have fun, and feel that allowing scripts detracts from the fun factor.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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while this may not be 100% accurate, i personally feel that it is more accuate than alpha's post
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