Guy Shoots Himself Over The Election

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/nyregion/07suicide.html
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/n...cs/10123001.htm

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Ground Zero Suicide Driven by Election

Associated Press

NEW YORK - A 25-year-old man from Georgia who was apparently distraught over President Bush's re-election shot and killed himself at ground zero. Andrew Veal's body was found Saturday morning inside the off-limits site, said Steve Coleman, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. A shotgun was found nearby, but no suicide note was found, Coleman said.

Veal's mother said her son was upset about the result of the presidential election and had driven to New York, Gus Danese, president of the Port Authority Police Benevolent Association, told The New York Times in Sunday's editions.

Friends said Veal worked in a computer lab at the University of Georgia and was planning to marry.

"I'm absolutely sure it's a protest," Mary Anne Mauney, Veal's supervisor at the lab, told The Daily News. "I don't know what made him commit suicide, but where he did it was symbolic."

Police were investigating how Veal entered the former World Trade Center site, which is protected by high fences and owned by the Port Authority.
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  • POOP_AkiraPOOP_Akira Members Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23468Posts: 784
    Why wouldn't he just move to Canada?
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  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Posts: 701
    How useful.
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    2My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth
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  • GadzukoGadzuko Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Posts: 1,994
    This is an example of someone taking things just a bit too far. Cue the inevitable flamewars!
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Members Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Posts: 5,863
    he doesnt deserve to live if he was dumb enough to kill himself over a election
    QUOTE(MSN)
    Coleman: euro-fighter would be a cool name for a wang

    "SERIOS POSTING - dropping the discussion forums IQ one post at a time"
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
  • GwahirGwahir Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Posts: 4,270
    QUOTE (Chrono @ Nov 7 2004, 04:16 PM)
    he doesnt deserve to live if he was dumb enough to kill himself over a election

    Some that live deserve death, and some that die deserver life. Can you give it to them Chrono?

    Then do not be so hasty to deal out death in judgement.
    QUOTE
    Sanity is just a weird form of madness.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet! Members Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Posts: 5,700 Advanced user
    from GEORGIA? what the f* connection does he have with NYC that he feels he can kill himself at ground zero. throw his body in the f*ing hudson.
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Posts: 3,567 Advanced user
    QUOTE (Gwahir @ Nov 7 2004, 08:18 PM)
    QUOTE (Chrono @ Nov 7 2004, 04:16 PM)
    he doesnt deserve to live if he was dumb enough to kill himself over a election

    Some that live deserve death, and some that die deserver life. Can you give it to them Chrono?

    Then do not be so hasty to deal out death in judgement.

    Best use of quotage ever. I salute you, sir.
    QUOTE(T h e m @ Apr 10 2005, 06:19 AM)
    Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, elbow to the face.

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  • DubbilexDubbilex Chump Members Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9799Posts: 2,016 Advanced user
    Amerika needs more people like this. This country was built on the bones of those willing to give their lives for their ideals; not those who say that they have "too much to lose" and end up dealing with it. I salute this man - he was willing to give the ultimate sacrifice in order to institute change, or to show his undying support for that change.

    Just as I respect Thich Quang Duc immensely, I respect this man. Andrew Veal? I'll remember the name.
    what
  • pardzhpardzh Members Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Posts: 3,132
    edited November 2004
    Jeez, I don't like Bush either, but I'm not going to kill myself over it.

    That's the job of angry middle eastern fundamentalists we **** off.
    the artist formerly known as duff-man
  • funbagsfunbags Members Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Posts: 1,536
    edited November 2004
    NUKED.
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    QUOTE (AllUrHiveRblong2us @ Jun 13 2005, 06:34 PM)
    how does anyone like anyone?

    Boobs.

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  • BirdyBirdy Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16825Posts: 1,051 Fully active user
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Members Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Posts: 3,104 Advanced user
    Really, I thought it always turn out the other way..
    I saw a radscorpion the other day.
  • DrfuzzyDrfuzzy FEW... MORE.... INCHES... Members Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21094Posts: 4,507
    Guy kills himself over stupid thing. Good stuff biggrin-fix.gif


    Reminds me when that kid killed himself cause his grandma cancled his evercrack account tounge.gif
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  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Members Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Posts: 5,863
    QUOTE (Gwahir @ Nov 7 2004, 01:18 PM)
    QUOTE (Chrono @ Nov 7 2004, 04:16 PM)
    he doesnt deserve to live if he was dumb enough to kill himself over a election

    Some that live deserve death, and some that die deserver life. Can you give it to them Chrono?

    Then do not be so hasty to deal out death in judgement.

    i can deal death to those that deserve it but i cannot give life to those that are dead
    QUOTE(MSN)
    Coleman: euro-fighter would be a cool name for a wang

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  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Members Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Posts: 3,104 Advanced user
    QUOTE (DR_FUZZY @ Nov 7 2004, 09:31 AM)
    Guy kills himself over stupid thing. Good stuff biggrin-fix.gif


    Reminds me when that kid killed himself cause his grandma cancled his evercrack account tounge.gif

    Hey, that's not very funny mister..

    Gwahir, you lose. You didnt quote the whole thing.
    I saw a radscorpion the other day.
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Members Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Posts: 1,937
    Killing yourself at all is an extreme way to bring attention to something.

    Killing yourself in an unusual, painful, and very meditated, documented, and public way is an extreme way to bring attention to an extreme topic.

    Shooting yourself in ground zero with nobody around is a very usual, slightly symbolic, yet undocumented way to bring attention to yourself for killing yourself over a very un-extreme topic.

    I see little relation.
    QUOTE (Geminosity @ Aug 1 2005, 07:31 PM)
    depot that joke was so bad I lost 30hp :p
  • GwahirGwahir Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Posts: 4,270
    I quoted the part I was concerned with Epidemic.

    And Chrono you missunderstand. Since you cannot give life, do not be so eager to deal out death. That simple.
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  • DubbilexDubbilex Chump Members Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9799Posts: 2,016 Advanced user
    QUOTE (404NotFound @ Nov 7 2004, 03:36 PM)
    Killing yourself at all is an extreme way to bring attention to something.

    Killing yourself in an unusual, painful, and very meditated, documented, and public way is an extreme way to bring attention to an extreme topic.

    Shooting yourself in ground zero with nobody around is a very usual, slightly symbolic, yet undocumented way to bring attention to yourself for killing yourself over a very un-extreme topic.

    I see little relation.

    okay he killed himself for no reason. Is that what you want to hear?

    I cannot see how you can say that this is an un-extreme topic at all. Did you know that Bush is already instituting a flat tax? This means that every bracket will pay 17% or so from now on.

    What does this mean to the average person? It means that a lower class taxpayer will pay 3% less income tax per year. It means that someone in the upper brackets will pay 23%-30% less than they currently do.

    Now tell me - what's a bigger number: three percent of $30,000 of 23% of millions.

    Where's the justice, man. Where is it?
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  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Posts: 3,637 Advanced user
    edited November 2004
    QUOTE (funbags @ Nov 7 2004, 04:28 PM)
    NUKED.

    Hey funbags, how about you stop reading the topics if you don't like them? He's posting news. It's election time for your country, so of course there's going to be news in relation with the election. People have always posted interesting, weird, infuriating, scary, etc... news articles here. If you don't like it, too bad. Don't reply to the topic. Don't participate in a flame war. Don't even read it.
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Posts: 7,511
    QUOTE (Zig @ Nov 7 2004, 04:19 PM)
    from GEORGIA? what the f* connection does he have with NYC that he feels he can kill himself at ground zero. throw his body in the f*ing hudson.

    Only certain people are "allowed" to shoot themselves at the WTC site?

    Literally, *no one* is allowed to, because no one is allowed to be there in the first place. But to say he somehow doesn't deserve to shoot himself there, just because he's from Georgia? Terrorism is a nation-wide (hell, world-wide) issue, and GWB is *every* American's president.
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Members Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Posts: 1,937
    QUOTE (Dubbilex @ Nov 7 2004, 03:52 PM)
    QUOTE (404NotFound @ Nov 7 2004, 03:36 PM)
    Killing yourself at all is an extreme way to bring attention to something.

    Killing yourself in an unusual, painful, and very meditated, documented, and public way is an extreme way to bring attention to an extreme topic.

    Shooting yourself in ground zero with nobody around is a very usual, slightly symbolic, yet undocumented way to bring attention to yourself for killing yourself over a very un-extreme topic.

    I see little relation.

    okay he killed himself for no reason. Is that what you want to hear?

    No, what I wanna hear is that he killed himself in a rash and emotional way. The guy was probably just some random emo jerk.

    The guy that died didn't mention anything about taxes. Oops, guess his "cause" didn't mean squat.
    QUOTE (Geminosity @ Aug 1 2005, 07:31 PM)
    depot that joke was so bad I lost 30hp :p
  • DubbilexDubbilex Chump Members Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9799Posts: 2,016 Advanced user
    QUOTE (404NotFound @ Nov 7 2004, 04:00 PM)
    QUOTE (Dubbilex @ Nov 7 2004, 03:52 PM)
    QUOTE (404NotFound @ Nov 7 2004, 03:36 PM)
    Killing yourself at all is an extreme way to bring attention to something.

    Killing yourself in an unusual, painful, and very meditated, documented, and public way is an extreme way to bring attention to an extreme topic.

    Shooting yourself in ground zero with nobody around is a very usual, slightly symbolic, yet undocumented way to bring attention to yourself for killing yourself over a very un-extreme topic.

    I see little relation.

    okay he killed himself for no reason. Is that what you want to hear?

    No, what I wanna hear is that he killed himself in a rash and emotional way. The guy was probably just some random emo jerk.

    The guy that died didn't mention anything about taxes. Oops, guess his "cause" didn't mean squat.

    my guess would be that he didn't complain about anything (as he probably has no head).

    PErhaps he was trying to prove a point that his own personal paradigm was marked for death on 9/11. Conversely, perhaps someone very close to him died at the WTC and he wanted to end his life "as close to them as possible."

    There are so many different possibilities; saying that it means nothing just because you don't know what that motive actually was is, to be honest, a little mean.

    People just don't toss themselves at landmarks and commit suicide. There's always a reason.
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  • kidakida Members Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13778Posts: 1,458 Advanced user
    That guy had alot of courage.
  • POOP_AkiraPOOP_Akira Members Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23468Posts: 784
    Did he just waltz down the crowded street with a shot gun slung over his shoulder whistling or what?
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Members Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Posts: 10,499
    QUOTE (Dubbilex @ Nov 7 2004, 05:26 PM)
    Amerika needs more people like this. This country was built on the bones of those willing to give their lives for their ideals; not those who say that they have "too much to lose" and end up dealing with it. I salute this man - he was willing to give the ultimate sacrifice in order to institute change, or to show his undying support for that change.

    Just as I respect Thich Quang Duc immensely, I respect this man. Andrew Veal? I'll remember the name.

    The ultimate sacrifice in order to institute change? Selling the shotgun, donating the money, and then volunteering for some sort of organization like America Coming Together or Move On would have been a much more productive way for him to express his views. This is just a waste of a life.
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    What is wrong with being a racist?

  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Members, NS1 Playtester Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Posts: 2,603 Advanced user
    He ran away. He ran away from whatever he saw in Bush that scared him. This guy was no martyr. He was misguided, and chose to kill himself instead of making a stand against what he didn't believe in. It's as simple as that.
    -Rob
  • TheMuffinManTheMuffinMan Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11234Posts: 665 Advanced user
    Well, suicide is one of the weakest and most selfish things you can possibly do to yourself and to others(generally, there are obvious exceptions).

    I am actually all for suicide though, as it is a form of Natural-Selection (albeit slightly different to the original idea) that weeds out the weaker people in life. I wont shed a tear for him, one less person from the shallow end of the gene pool that will ever have offspring.
  • GlissGliss Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Posts: 5,161 Fully active user
    Just a question, since I skimmed the article:

    If there was no suicide note, how did they know that he killed himself over the reelection of GWB?
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  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Members Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Posts: 3,104 Advanced user
    Weakest? It's not like he cares, because he is death. He is no longer, and if he ever were, then it was just an illusion..
    I saw a radscorpion the other day.
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