Opinion Of The 1.04 Rebundle

MetoMeto Join Date: 2004-04-26 Member: 28216Members
in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">Bring back the maps!</div> I recently tried the 1.04 pack put together by Bry (I joined in the 2.01 era) to see how things used to be. I'm certainly glad that things have moved on as NS is certainly a lot more polished now.

The one thing I would like to see though is some of the old ambience which the maps used to have. Going through the maps like eclipse, hera, nothing was quite amazing. There seemed to be so many more cubby holes, dark areas and interesting rooms than the rather bland array we have now.

Welldone for putting it together Bry! Just need 1.04 server now.
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  • NessNess Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10935Members, Reinforced - Onos
    edited November 2004
    If you want to play 1.04 maps, you will need to play 1.04. Those maps would not work with the current version of NS well. Then again, I doubt people still play 1.04, so I can only wish you luck.

    Now that I think of it, I see most of the ambience from then in the newer versions as well.
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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    theres one 3.0 server that plays 1.04 maps. the maps are all named like ns_eclipse2 and ns_hera2

    i think this is it 207.158.49.243:27026
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  • MetoMeto Join Date: 2004-04-26 Member: 28216Members
    I could well be so used to the current maps that I don't notice the things that make them cool anymore. But regarding lighting and complexity, well it's not quite the same now.
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  • BobTheJanitorBobTheJanitor Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24228Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited November 2004
    Most of the 1.04 maps are inferior, design wise, to the maps we have today. They're not changed just randomly, you know. There are good reasons for all the changes. A lot of it is due to balance issues. Something may look great, but in actual play you find out that marines or aliens get consistently horribly owned in one area, and you can't leave it like that. Or maybe a res node is way too easy for one team or another to control. Or one hive proves to be horribly inferior to other hives on the map. Or marine start is impossible for aliens to assault. Or, alternatively, way too easy for them to assault.

    And yes, the maps were a bit more 'atmospheric' back then, but that was mostly due to being basically darker. And although dark is OK in a single player game, in multiplayer games it's usually just an annoyance. So you get maps that look dark without being really dark, and people are happy. Not that the old 1.04 era maps aren't great maps, and I salute the original mappers for making the first steps into mapping for a game whose balance had yet to even be determined. But I'll take the evolved, balanced versions any day.
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  • LazerManeLazerMane Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2135Members, Constellation
    I've decided that 1.04 is too buggy to play, and heavily system-intensive compared to 3.0

    I think there's a good reason why many people don't play 1.04 still.
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  • Black_Hawk_VSBlack_Hawk_VS Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14478Members, Constellation
    I have the 1.04 versions of Eclipes, Nothing, Tanith, and Hera running on my Classic server (See my sig for IP). The are fun to play once in awhile, but like Bob said, they tend to be unbalanced, especially Nothing and Hera.
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  • SpaceMoogle5SpaceMoogle5 Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17643Members, NS1 Playtester
    BRING BACK NONAME HIVE

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  • KaMiKaZe1KaMiKaZe1 Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9196Members
    That is one map change I would support. All the newer people call me a moron when I call Mother hive No Name...


    It hurts my self esteem. =[
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  • hawthornehawthorne Join Date: 2003-10-05 Member: 21460Members
    i will never call it "mother hive". there was so much more mystery/aura/magic around "noname" hive.
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  • JediYoshiJediYoshi The Cupcake Boss Join Date: 2002-05-27 Member: 674Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-LazerMane+Nov 6 2004, 11:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LazerMane @ Nov 6 2004, 11:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and heavily system-intensive compared to 3.0
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    Which is partly due to the maps, but if you're playing them on purpose then I think you'd be able to look past that part.
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  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Muahaha. Now the shoe is on the other hand, for all of you 'noname' people. Know how it felt to call it 'Mother' back then, as one of the few who'd been clued in to what happened and what the real name was. Suffer large!
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  • BryBry Join Date: 2003-01-23 Member: 12609Members
    We still have a 1.04 server up here :

    67.18.228.164:27012

    You can also download the 1.04 maps for 3.0 <a href='http://www.brywright.co.uk/downloads/files/index.php?dir=natural-selection/maps/&file=NS_1.04_Maps_v3.zip' target='_blank'>here</a>

    just remember that the onos will get stuck quite abit when you try to uprgade. You really need the stuck plugin on a server in order to play these maps
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  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Nov 7 2004, 10:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Nov 7 2004, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Muahaha. Now the shoe is on the other hand, for all of you 'noname' people. Know how it felt to call it 'Mother' back then, as one of the few who'd been clued in to what happened and what the real name was. Suffer large! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The only reason I called it Noname was because of Mother Interface. I tried to use Mother for the hive and Interface for MI but each time I said go to Mother, half the team went to MI while we were losing Mother Hive <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • LazerManeLazerMane Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2135Members, Constellation
    edited November 2004
    Playing 1.04 maps on 3.0 seems to me to be a self-induced masochism.

    Actually, playing 1.04 at all seems to be self-induced masochism.

    I love it how 3.0 is so much better in balance, in atmosphere, and in performance. And when it's released people grumble about it and go back to playing the unstable and buggy nonsense they're used to.
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  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-[FFT]SpaceMoogle5+Nov 7 2004, 07:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([FFT]SpaceMoogle5 @ Nov 7 2004, 07:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> BRING BACK NONAME HIVE

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    Seconded! I still say "noname" in voice comm tho.
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