<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What is Psi Vampirism? Give me a linked, it sounds interesting!
I have investigated more into Astral Projection, and I am going to keep trying till I get it. Apparently, those rapid "electrical shock" vibrations are the result of your concience try to pull free of the body according to the websites.
That means maybe if I try harder, I can fully pull out of my body. I am very interested to see if this new age thing really works or not. Also, whenever I have Sleep Paralysis, I hear someone scream at me. Last time it was screaming at me that I was banned, the next day, I was banned from my favorite MMORPG server.
Anybody ever had prophecies like that? They freak me out sometimes... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Croat, this looks to be sarcastic. That's why Swift made his comment.
<!--QuoteBegin-Crotalus+Oct 21 2004, 03:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crotalus @ Oct 21 2004, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Swiftspear, what? I am a Jackass? It seems like your the Jackass... Also, I don't get banned at all, so what in the world are you taking about? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow, sorry, no need to get all huffy and offendend or anything, it's just a little freindly riding <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Sid+Oct 21 2004, 06:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sid @ Oct 21 2004, 06:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My story is similiar to Beast's...
Someone did the Astral Projection thing to me, and after a few instructions, they said they were in the chair next to me.
"Pah, yeah right.." I mumbled.. so, being the moron I am, I poked my finger through where this Projection was sitting.
Suddenly, he IMed me on AIM and said,
"plz stop poking me =P"
Yeah, so I'm a believer. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How can he type if his soul is projected?
<!--QuoteBegin-Crotalus+Oct 22 2004, 01:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crotalus @ Oct 22 2004, 01:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yea, um WTH, how is he typing with his soul projected? He should be sleeping or "inactive"......
Unless it was remote viewing or something, it is an offshoot of Astral Projection. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Remote viewing is indeed more likely <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-Sid+Oct 21 2004, 05:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sid @ Oct 21 2004, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My story is similiar to Beast's...
Someone did the Astral Projection thing to me, and after a few instructions, they said they were in the chair next to me.
"Pah, yeah right.." I mumbled.. so, being the moron I am, I poked my finger through where this Projection was sitting.
Suddenly, he IMed me on AIM and said,
"plz stop poking me =P"
Yeah, so I'm a believer. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> unless he/she mearly assumed that you would poke the space the person would be sitting in
<!--QuoteBegin-Beast+Oct 21 2004, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beast @ Oct 21 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Crotalus+Oct 22 2004, 01:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crotalus @ Oct 22 2004, 01:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yea, um WTH, how is he typing with his soul projected? He should be sleeping or "inactive"......
Unless it was remote viewing or something, it is an offshoot of Astral Projection. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Remote viewing is indeed more likely <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Can't really call it "astral progection" then can you... Anyways, I'm sure his psi did it...
<!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Oct 21 2004, 07:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Oct 21 2004, 07:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sid+Oct 21 2004, 05:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sid @ Oct 21 2004, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My story is similiar to Beast's...
Someone did the Astral Projection thing to me, and after a few instructions, they said they were in the chair next to me.
"Pah, yeah right.." I mumbled.. so, being the moron I am, I poked my finger through where this Projection was sitting.
Suddenly, he IMed me on AIM and said,
"plz stop poking me =P"
Yeah, so I'm a believer. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> unless he/she mearly assumed that you would poke the space the person would be sitting in <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Phhhh, psychology... Who needs that, WE HAVE MAGIC!!!
I can make cards apear and dissapear is seemingly imposible locations in the deck...
Swiftspear, you wouldn't really like it if I ridiculed you because of your religion, right? Don't ridicule us because of our beliefs. Personally, it doesn't bother me. You can ridicule me all you want. But there are people who will be bothered by it and, while I haven't got a right to say that you shouldn't offend people, you ought to think about what you're saying and compare it to your feelings about your own beliefs before you so openly insult a large group of people.
<!--QuoteBegin-kida+Oct 21 2004, 08:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kida @ Oct 21 2004, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I want to believe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Where is that blasted yellow bamboo photoshop we made when you need it.
That site is a laugh riot. Absolutely hilarious. Especially this (talking about turning somebody into a vampire) :
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The virus, which is protein based, ingests portions of viral DNA into missing sections of human chromosomes, altering the personality and genetic make-up making the vampire prone to stomach aches, headaches, depression, and the other symptoms I have mentioned.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can understand you not wanting people to make fun of you. It's perfectly understandable. However, when I read things like this, you bring butchered science into it. I take that as a rather personal offense. It's exactly the same thing when a creationist tells me that evolution isn't scientifically possible. Keep your religion out of science, and I'll let you be.
[although, it's more fun if you don't. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ]
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Oct 21 2004, 09:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 21 2004, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Swiftspear, you wouldn't really like it if I ridiculed you because of your religion, right? Don't ridicule us because of our beliefs. Personally, it doesn't bother me. You can ridicule me all you want. But there are people who will be bothered by it and, while I haven't got a right to say that you shouldn't offend people, you ought to think about what you're saying and compare it to your feelings about your own beliefs before you so openly insult a large group of people. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry, I got carried away... I was just joking around... You want me to edit the stuff?
It's just hard to swallow because all the other stuff like this always ends up getting proven totally false, and you would think that if it was such a huge percentage of the population capable of it there would be a little more scientific backing...
For instance, when you talk about psi vampirism, they body doesn't rely on an arbitrary energy sourse for its 'energy' and having low ammounts of 'energy' doesn't make you feel tired, its just a common misconseption of language... What we precive as tiredness is simply chemicals released into our body so that we are forced to enter into sleep cycles that give our brain time to process and regather all the information it recieved during the day, as well as several other important functions, like repairing damaged mucles and restablizing toxin and sugar levels in the body. So when you are 'sapping' energy, what physical effect is it having? Is it decompiling brain information? is it breaking down mucle structures? is it offsetting bodysugar levels? is it just randomly creating an unwanted/natural release of chemicals that force tiredness?
Alot of the stuff would be increadibly easy to study if there was acctually any scientific weight to it.
[edit] just as an off topic since it was brought up, evolution is proven to be scientifically possible, but it doesn't change the fact that there is all but no fossil record what so ever to indicate it acctually happening...
$1 million is yours, that is if you can demonstrate to someone else that you can actually do it. Kind of funny, with that big a reward, I would have thought one of you people would have already stepped forward and claimed it.
And if there's no way you can do so under observable conditions, you really shouldn't expect anyone else to believe you. If you come up with some crazy claim, the burden is on <i>you</i> to prove it, not on others to disprove.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 22 2004, 03:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 22 2004, 03:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [edit] just as an off topic since it was brought up, evolution is proven to be scientifically possible, but it doesn't change the fact that there is all but no fossil record what so ever to indicate it acctually happening... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh... Since this is totally off topic, it's going to get the kibosh put on it pretty quick, but you are so very very wrong, and if you'd like to continue this without, you know, publicly bringing back mother of all internet flame wars (creationism vs. evolution is always SO ugly), we should probably continue this in PM.
But, briefly, you can trace the evolution of the vertebrate jaw rather easily through cartilaginous fish-> bony fish->lung fish->tetrapods->mammals. Or you could look at the embryology (vertebrates look much the same when they are first developing) , or any other numerous things.
ps. I'm studying to be a paleontologist, and I'm a 4th year Biology Major. Studying evolution is what I do on a week to week basis. Just so you have a few of my credentials.
<!--QuoteBegin-Frikk+Oct 21 2004, 11:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frikk @ Oct 21 2004, 11:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 22 2004, 03:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 22 2004, 03:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [edit] just as an off topic since it was brought up, evolution is proven to be scientifically possible, but it doesn't change the fact that there is all but no fossil record what so ever to indicate it acctually happening... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh... Since this is totally off topic, it's going to get the kibosh put on it pretty quick, but you are so very very wrong, and if you'd like to continue this without, you know, publicly bringing back mother of all internet flame wars (creationism vs. evolution is always SO ugly), we should probably continue this in PM.
But, briefly, you can trace the evolution of the vertebrate jaw rather easily through cartilaginous fish-> bony fish->lung fish->tetrapods->mammals. Or you could look at the embryology (vertebrates look much the same when they are first developing) , or any other numerous things.
ps. I'm studying to be a paleontologist, and I'm a 4th year Biology Major. Studying evolution is what I do on a week to week basis. Just so you have a few of my credentials.
[edit: I speek Enlgish Gooood] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah I remember you mentioning that earlier. I remember I complitmented you on your sig. Honestly, I'm kinda confused on what he said. Maybe you can clarify... Did he day that there is no fossil record proving evolution? What about Backbones, and Whale's having leg sockets?
Erm anyway. Is that thing for real randomengy? Because if it is, surely someone would go and prove it, just for the money. I mean, I take all these things with a grain of salt, but I still have a streak of spiritism so I won't completely dissmiss it. Surely someone could prove it. I have to wonder what the "testing conditions" are.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's just hard to swallow because all the other stuff like this always ends up getting proven totally false, and you would think that if it was such a huge percentage of the population capable of it there would be a little more scientific backing...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, no. Just like your mystical happy place, it is shown to rest on several non-falsifiable premises. So when the people raise the OMG IT IS WITHIN THE REALM OF LOGICAL POSSIBILITY!! quote defense endquote, they are right, in a manner of speaking. Further, it is the same defense that yours operates under.
But then you're attempting to claim that there is... no.. fossil evidence... for evolution.
Astonishing. Have you heard of a "natural history museum," I hear they're these big buildings that often contain examples of fossils, as well as educational materials fleshing out the context in which they were found. Perhaps you should visit one.
Say hello to what whales looked like, <a href='http://darla.neoucom.edu/DEPTS/ANAT/Pakicetid.html' target='_blank'>kickin' it oldskool style, son.</a>
Frikk - didn't you know that education just means you've been indoctrinated in the scientific faith, wherein debate is discouraged and blind doctrinal acceptance of the theoreoms of the holy Saint Gould are to be accepted without question or you are cast out?
<!--QuoteBegin-kavasa+Oct 22 2004, 02:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kavasa @ Oct 22 2004, 02:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's just hard to swallow because all the other stuff like this always ends up getting proven totally false, and you would think that if it was such a huge percentage of the population capable of it there would be a little more scientific backing...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, no. Just like your mystical happy place, it is shown to rest on several non-falsifiable premises. So when the people raise the OMG IT IS WITHIN THE REALM OF LOGICAL POSSIBILITY!! quote defense endquote, they are right, in a manner of speaking. Further, it is the same defense that yours operates under.
But then you're attempting to claim that there is... no.. fossil evidence... for evolution.
Astonishing. Have you heard of a "natural history museum," I hear they're these big buildings that often contain examples of fossils, as well as educational materials fleshing out the context in which they were found. Perhaps you should visit one.
Say hello to what whales looked like, <a href='http://darla.neoucom.edu/DEPTS/ANAT/Pakicetid.html' target='_blank'>kickin' it oldskool style, son.</a>
Frikk - didn't you know that education just means you've been indoctrinated in the scientific faith, wherein debate is discouraged and blind doctrinal acceptance of the theoreoms of the holy Saint Gould are to be accepted without question or you are cast out? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry, I worded that wrong, what I meant to say is that fossil evidence does an extreamly good job of proving that evolution doesn't really happen out side of the <a href='http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/punc-eq.html' target='_blank'>punctuated equilibria</a> model. Which, for all intensive purpouses, seems like an extreamly unlikely way for speciation to happen in light of the slow speeds that we have calculated natural selection and gene mutation to take place.
Not to say that speciation isn't still tracable, it just is isn't sensical.
If you have a reasonable theory for how evolution on the punctuated equilibria model makes sence I'm more than willing to hear it, as I could care less weather or not evolution is proved or disproved from a religious prespective, I just haven't heard of one existing yet.
If I have translated this compleatly incorrectly I apologise in advance, I was just under the impression that this was a fact of evolutionary science that was largely ignored because it is inconviniant to the assumption the evolution is definately the way species came to exist on the earth... To be fair though I have never been able to find any information contrary to that so the assumption was forced to stick for the time being... Suffice to say I usually don't go to in depth into the issue, since I don't really know of any christians that understand it anyways, and I rarely encounter anyone else who can defend the issue against the statement using the language I made in the first post, so if that is the case, what is the point?
<!--QuoteBegin-kavasa+Oct 22 2004, 03:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kavasa @ Oct 22 2004, 03:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Astral projection is just so much nonsense as anything else.
Sleep paralysis is still cool, though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A.S.P. is not cool.. trust me.
if you are some emo goth-death junkie who likes to feel how it is to die by getting crushed , maybe
before ive gone to a therapist,a.s.p. turned me almost into a insomnia zombie... i got panic to fall asleep several nights after phases of a.s.p. i almost lost my job once..because something like that isnt very easy to explain to your boss, he self consulted several specialists to inform himself about this syndrome. thats why im able to work at home now. there is medication against the symptoms of a.s.p. , but when you stop to medication, the a.s.p. comes back more often, and lasts longer..so its like you getting addicted to the meds
Responded. Thanks for the PM, I hope I was able to clear up some stuff.
At this point lets get back to the somewhat unusual topic at hand, I won't be responding to anything more along the lines of evolution in this thread anyways, so if you have something that you absoutly must counter with, either PM me, or start a topic in discussion and I will definatly come and drop my 2 cents.
[edit]Heh, sheena... I think he ment cool in a scientific studing sence, not literally cool to have. Sounds like you think that its pretty cool that your theripist was able to help you...
[edit]Heh, sheena... I think he ment cool in a scientific studing sence, not literally cool to have. Sounds like you think that its pretty cool that your theripist was able to help you... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> he showed me ways to make it happen only 2-3 times a week now, and not almost every night... the times i cant avoid it is when i wake up and im unable to move at morning, and fall asleep again... in the past i was coming often to late to work a.s.p. was also a reason why i wasnt accepted for the j.g.s.d.f.
Sleep paralysis is actually well documented (but under investigated).
Someone in series 3 of UK BigBrother couldn't move for a few minutes after waking up - quite funny to watch. Although its only lasts for a few seconds, it often feels like it is lasting for hours.
This is a well know mythologoical character from many cultures all across the globe. Sometimes the creature is thin, boney and menacing - sometimes it is short and fat - there is great variation. It is apparently one of the scariest experiences you can imagine. The creature starts off in the shadows of your room - moving slowly - climbs on top of you - then sits upon your chest and strangles you. These people are not dreaming, they are totally(well obviously not totally) awake. Lots of people wake up with bruising on their necks due to trying to breathe. Some people experience this every night. They know that it is not real - however each time the panic sets in again. It is pure extreme fear.
Some people think it is the result of a chemical imbalance - which causes a panic fueled cross between sleep and reality - truth is, they're not sure - it alway occurs during REM induced sleep paralysis. The most disturbing question, though, is why do so many people see the "same" thing".
Another interesting Sleep fact is - if you have strangely spiritual dreams/encounters whilst or directly after dreaming - it may be as a result of EM waves. These were generally linked to overhead powercables - but in a few proven cases it has been shown that extreme spiritual encounters have been related to the EM frequency given off by peoples alarm clocks - intefering with "brainwaves".
If you've ever played D&D, you probably know what a beholder is. It's a large fleshy orb, about 1.80M in diameter. It has one big frontal eye, a large mouth with long teeth, and on the top, it's got ten eyes on stilts. The most extraordinary thing about the beholder is that within the line of sight of the frontal eye, no magic works at all, even the beholder's own.
I have a confession to make. I have lied to you. Bear with me; I'm frustrated. Not only do I believe in psi powers, I KNOW they exist. I know this because I am one of the most powerful psi users alive. Please, do not think I am bragging. This is a proven fact. My powers, however, are rather extraordinary in nature. If I had full control over them, I could lift houses off their foundations. Don't worry, I'd use them for the greater good. I'd be like a comic-book superhero, only not in one of those ridiculous costumes. However, the sad fact is that I cannot control my powers. I've tried to do so for quite a while now, yet I have made no progress at all. I think it is my fate. You see, there is a certain power that I cannot deactivate. I mentioned the beholder and its antimagic field. I have an antipsi field, only much more powerful. The beholder only neutralizes magic in front of its large central eye, I neutralize psi everywhere around me. The beholder has a range of only 45m, my range is far greater, somewhere around a kilometer I think. And finally, the beholder can stop the effect of his field by simply closing his eye. I cannot turn mine off. And it completely prevents me and everybody else from using any other powers. The theory goes that someone with greater powers than mine can overrule my antipsi field and exercise his powers even inside my sphere of influence. That is why I say that I am one of the most powerful psi users alive: No one has ever been able to match me. One of the people who have posted in this thread has tested his powers on me. You know who you are. You failed completely. Please, do not be upset about this, you were a beginner, and people with ten times your experience have gasped in astonishment as their powers vanished in my presence. However, if you will, step forward please and confirm my story.
Well, psi-users in my town shun me. They have tried to demonstrate their powers to me, and they have failed. Yet they insist that it works when they're alone. I eventually came to the conclusion that this must be because I carry a big anti-psi field around with me. I asked the other psi-users about this, and they eagerly confirmed my suspicions. Otherwise, why wouldn't their powers work when I'm around?
So if you know an extraordinarily powerful psi user, please alert him to my problem. It should be easy to find me - if he sends his spirit searching, the presence of such a huge anti-psi field as mine should be overly obvious. He will find me at its epicenter. If he is more powerful than me, he should be able to enter my anti-psi field without problem. And if he is more powerful than me, he might be able to shut it off by force (I hope the shock doesn't kill me). With the anti-psi field off, not only would I stop bothering other psi-users around me, but I could start harnessing my own vast powers. So if you know somebody who can help, please ask him to search for me.
I can see how it would get old if you had it on a regular basis, but I've only had it the one time I can remember and after it stopped I was all WOW THAT WAS AWESOME (because it was so terrifying).
<a href='http://sleepparalysis.dnswh.com/what_is_sleep_paralysis.htm' target='_blank'><img src='http://65.75.137.180/yanai/huh%20O_o/oldhag2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a> <-----------edit: kavasa, just for the case you have not realized it
The term "Old Hag" was and is still used to describe a demon, ghost, etc. that sits upon their victim's chest, causing paralysis and sometimes making it hard to breathe, the explanations for why an old hag would choose to do this is are as varied as the cultures on earth who experience it. Though nowadays most people who report experiencing SP claim to have never actually SEEN an old hag sitting on their chest, it's not hard to imagine why or how the legend began, and the term stuck. In the past 10 years, and especially the last 2, more and more people are learning that Old Hag actually has a name, Sleep Paralysis, and that is is being seriously studied by researchers around the world. And conversely, researchers are beginning to learn that this is not an isolated event, occurring to just a small percent of the population. Many people have experienced Sleep Paralysis but were just too afraid to mention it their doctor's, psychological or medical, and even leery about discussing it with friends or relatives. Now that the subject is becoming more understood, people are a lot more apt to come forward and talk about their experiences with Sleep Paralysis, and the more people that do so, the sooner scientists and researchers can find out about just what it is that's going on during an episode of Sleep Paralysis. And who knows, maybe the parapsychologists will need to be called in as well, because we all know, 'stranger things have happened."
while others credit the "Devil" himself and/or his minions, and if not that, then the classic "old hag" who sits on an unsuspecting sleeping person's chest, and upon their waking realize they are powerless to move. For what ends a hag would do this are as varied as the cultures on the planet.
The old hag does not always appear as a grotesque elderly matron. For more on the legends and lore of similar 'old hag' experiences, see the bottom part of this page.
Only in the last couple decades, and especially the last 10 or so years, have researchers begun to seriously study this bizarre happening. Nothing is as of yet in concrete, but we at least now have a solid place to begin. And I would like to further add, that although we may now have an explanation of the mechanics involved, it does not mean we know WHY or WHAT causes this strange phenomenon to occur, but only explains what is going on physically during an episode of sleep paralysis, or SP.
Sleep paralysis is a condition in which someone about to fall asleep, or just upon waking from sleep, realizes that they are unable to move or speak, but can still breathe and move their eyes. I like to call this "half-asleep/half-awake" stage the "twilight" stage. Your conscious mind has begun to drift into sleep but is not yet there, therefore you still retain a small amount of your waking conscious. It is a very transitory stage indeed, and one that seems to leave you "open" to certain experiences you would not otherwise be receptive to when fully conscious or fully asleep. It is also accepted by most researchers that although this can happen in any sleeping position, it most commonly occurs in the supine position (laying on your back).
Once the person realizes they are unable to move, they usually, but not always, leave this "twilight" stage and become fully awake, but still paralyzed. At this point the experience can go either way. The person may only experience a temporary paralysis, and after several seconds or up to a minute or so would then regain their movement and the event would be over. Researchers believe many people experience this at one point in their lives.
But the other scenario is much more frightening. Upon realizing one is paralyzed, a whole gamut of hallucinations may occur. Many people report hearing, seeing, and/or sensing a person or people in the room with them while they are paralyzed. There is also the common experience of a usually sensed, malevolent presence (or SMP). Note that not all sensed presences are felt as being malevolent, but very frequently they are. These SMP's usually seem to be just out of view of the person experiencing the SP, who from here on in I will refer to as the 'subject', for the sole purpose of easily identifying the one experiencing the SP. As a frequent sufferer of sleep paralysis, I know that for me its relatively rare to have an episode complete with the SMP, but t does happen, and when it does, it is terrifying. The SMP is so incredibly intimidating and I feel that this very evil, terrible "thing" is just right outside my field of vision, and if I weren't paralyzed and was able to turn my ahead just an inch or so, I would be able to see this horrid thing. At least, that's the feeling I get, and other sufferer's of SP have reported the same.
Sometimes it is reported that the subject feels crushed, smothered, or pushed into the bed. There are auditory hallucinations as well. A voice or voices may be heard, as well as footsteps. A loud buzzing noise is sometimes reported.
Out-of-Body experiences are also frequently reported with SP, along with the sensation of floating and sometimes of "falling" through the bed.
During SP a person may try to cry out or "fight" the presence they believe is responsible for causing them to be paralyzed. This has never helped me nor anyone else I've ever heard of, but somehow we have the innate feeling that we must "fight" this feeling. Usually movement returns slowly, usually within a minute or so.
These hallucinations are called hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations. These hallucinations are given these names because they occur at the onset of sleep, and the period just before waking, the period I call the 'twilight' stages of sleep. They can be auditory, visual, tactile and proprioceptive. A proprioceptor is a sensory receptor found mainly in the joints, muscles, tendons and inner ear that detects motion and can also can detect the position of a limb by responding to internal stimuli. This means when a person feels smashed into the bed or a creature is sitting on their chest that it really can be a VERY convincing hallucination. So I'd say that is possibly one of the single greatest arguments for a pro-"it's all in your mind" stance on SP. Because of proprioceptors we can feel as though we're falling through the bed, even though we actually are lying quite stationary, it can be among the most convincing of all hallucinations.
From my 'research into other people's research' I have found a few people ('people' meaning doctor's studying sleep research and/or their students contributing to the research) that agree that there are or can be several outside contributing factors to SP. Stress, emotional or physical, and one you have no power over, adolescence. The first time I heard this I automatically thought about the correlation between poltergeists and adolescent children, pre-pubescent or pubescent. Of course my train of thought ended there because I have no specialized skills in psychology, parapsychology or kids.
It is very hard to believe it is a hallucination, but, after all, that's what a hallucination proper is. This, however, does not make the experience any less terrifying. While it is happening it feels pretty damn real! And remember, this is not written in stone. This is scientific theory, not scientific fact. Who's to say these experiences aren't real? Or for that matter, more real than anything we've ever experienced? Maybe they can be so terrifying because it's a reality experienced on a totally different level. So who's to say these aren't angels here to show us another place? Maybe our fear is the totally normal and understandable fear of not wanting to leave our physical bodies. Maybe it's NO ONE showing us anything, maybe we are doing the looking and the searching all on our own. And then again, maybe it's just all in our heads.
Or conversely, something altogether more sinister. Maybe it is something so innately evil, even if we want to 'go with the flow' and see where the experience takes us, the deepest part of our minds will not let us, perhaps because we somehow already know of this nemesis. Who knows, maybe it's just gas. And maybe it's not, hmmm.
Some researchers at Waterloo University have done some of the most intense research on SP. They have studied the REM dream states and compared them to SP with hypnogogic and hypnopompic hallucinations, (or HHE's) and have found some interesting results. While we are dreaming in a normal REM state, our minds send out a message to our body's to cease our normal motor functions, our muscles "turn off" in a sense, so that we do not act out our dreams. This keeps us from possibly doing damage to ourselves or those around us. While in an REM state, we are experiencing stimuli manufactured from within our own minds, effectively "tuning out" the world around us.
REM SP with HHE's differ from a normal period of REM in two significant ways. 1.) There is little or no blocking of external stimulation, and 2.) the sufferer of SP regains full conscious, whereas they were in the "twilight" stage of sleep, i.e. sleep onset or sleep offset, and instead of falling into a deeper sleep state, regain consciousness but continue to 'dream'. Researchers believe the paralysis is due to the failure of the brains neurons to "remind" the body it is now awake so it is unable to move (called muscle atonia). And remember, not only is the person unable to move, but they are also "dreaming while awake", a condition that is very confusing and frightening. The hallucinations they encounter seem every bit as real as you sitting in front of the computer right now. This theory seems wrong to me, or at least it doesn't seem to apply to my SP. Dreams are very distinct, they have an obvious 'surrealness' about them, whereas my SP is a totally different thing. It's hard to explain, but if you've experienced SP, I KNOW you know what I mean. (right?!)
During these episodes of hallucinogenic SP, the mind is not only accepting outside stimulation, but is also 'warping' it in much the same way as our dream states warp information. Its a melding of the two worlds, only the subject is not asleep.
It is not hard to see why demons, devils, and other beasties of the night have been blamed for these nocturnal 'attacks'. Virtually all cultures with a written or oral history has some kind of form of SP they have reported, and with that a usually very colorful explanation as to why these things happen. But if you're of an occult mind, or just an open one, it's also not hard to see why scary folk of the night would take advantage of us while in such a vulnerable position. Either way, legend and lore abounds. SP is more commonly known as Old Hag, and the origin for this title may have roots as far back as the Sumerians. Ardat lili or Lilitu, an evil hag-demon, was said to have the power of flight, which she preferred to do at night when she would attack men in their sleep. This seems a very obvious reference to the original Lilith, who refused to lay on her back when laying with Adam, and was therefore thrown out of Eden for a more suitable (docile) mate for Adam. After she was thrown out of Eden a myriad of things happened, depending on who you hear tell it, but a few things remain constant, Lilith flew away and is now the eater of children, hers and others alike. (If they be her children, we at least know which position they were not bore. Ha.) She is a disgusting old hag, (aren't all women who do not marry and obey they're men?!!) who now flies over the land at night seeking revenge for being thrown out of Eden.
But this myth is hardly unique, as many she-devils and hag-demons have, over time, made their presence known in mythology. They take credit for the nocturnal assaults for one reason or another.
Surprisingly, though, is the consistency of such reports made by societies and cultures with no previous knowledge of each other or their lore. The main details remain constant. A man or woman is attacked during the night, usually lying on their back, when an evil entity sits upon their body, causes paralysis, and even sometimes chokes or smothers it's victim. Though their motivation may differ, (possession, revenge, or just wanting to upset the living) the attack remains strikingly similar. And these stories are not limited to Western cultures, in fact, quite the contrary. In Thailand people refer to being Phi um (ghost covered) and phi kau (ghost possessed), and these experiences include a feeling of pressure, paralysis, and something black covering the body. In Japan, kanashibara ("to tie with an iron rope") is a common known and accepted experience. In the Far North one speaks of agumangia (Inupik) or ukomiarik (Yupik) in which "a soul" tries to take possession of the paralyzed victim. In Laos, da chor is described as follows: "You want to listen, you can't hear; you want to speak, you are dumb; you want to call out, you cannot; you feel you are dying, dying; you want to run away. You **** with fear in your sleep"
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Seriously.
Also, I don't get banned at all, so what in the world are you taking about?
Give me a linked, it sounds interesting!
I have investigated more into Astral Projection, and I am going to keep trying till I get it. Apparently, those rapid "electrical shock" vibrations are the result of your concience try to pull free of the body according to the websites.
That means maybe if I try harder, I can fully pull out of my body. I am very interested to see if this new age thing really works or not. Also, whenever I have Sleep Paralysis, I hear someone scream at me. Last time it was screaming at me that I was banned, the next day, I was banned from my favorite MMORPG server.
Anybody ever had prophecies like that? They freak me out sometimes... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Croat, this looks to be sarcastic. That's why Swift made his comment.
Also, I don't get banned at all, so what in the world are you taking about? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, sorry, no need to get all huffy and offendend or anything, it's just a little freindly riding <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Someone did the Astral Projection thing to me, and after a few instructions, they said they were in the chair next to me.
"Pah, yeah right.." I mumbled.. so, being the moron I am, I poked my finger through where this Projection was sitting.
Suddenly, he IMed me on AIM and said,
"plz stop poking me =P"
Yeah, so I'm a believer. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Someone did the Astral Projection thing to me, and after a few instructions, they said they were in the chair next to me.
"Pah, yeah right.." I mumbled.. so, being the moron I am, I poked my finger through where this Projection was sitting.
Suddenly, he IMed me on AIM and said,
"plz stop poking me =P"
Yeah, so I'm a believer. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
How can he type if his soul is projected?
Unless it was remote viewing or something, it is an offshoot of Astral Projection.
Unless it was remote viewing or something, it is an offshoot of Astral Projection. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Remote viewing is indeed more likely <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Someone did the Astral Projection thing to me, and after a few instructions, they said they were in the chair next to me.
"Pah, yeah right.." I mumbled.. so, being the moron I am, I poked my finger through where this Projection was sitting.
Suddenly, he IMed me on AIM and said,
"plz stop poking me =P"
Yeah, so I'm a believer. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
unless he/she mearly assumed that you would poke the space the person would be sitting in
Unless it was remote viewing or something, it is an offshoot of Astral Projection. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Remote viewing is indeed more likely <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Can't really call it "astral progection" then can you... Anyways, I'm sure his psi did it...
Someone did the Astral Projection thing to me, and after a few instructions, they said they were in the chair next to me.
"Pah, yeah right.." I mumbled.. so, being the moron I am, I poked my finger through where this Projection was sitting.
Suddenly, he IMed me on AIM and said,
"plz stop poking me =P"
Yeah, so I'm a believer. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
unless he/she mearly assumed that you would poke the space the person would be sitting in <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Phhhh, psychology... Who needs that, WE HAVE MAGIC!!!
I can make cards apear and dissapear is seemingly imposible locations in the deck...
I IS TEH 1337!!!
Where is that blasted yellow bamboo photoshop we made when you need it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The virus, which is protein based, ingests portions of viral DNA into missing sections of human chromosomes, altering the personality and genetic make-up making the vampire prone to stomach aches, headaches, depression, and the other symptoms I have mentioned.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can understand you not wanting people to make fun of you. It's perfectly understandable. However, when I read things like this, you bring butchered science into it. I take that as a rather personal offense. It's exactly the same thing when a creationist tells me that evolution isn't scientifically possible. Keep your religion out of science, and I'll let you be.
[although, it's more fun if you don't. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ]
Sorry, I got carried away... I was just joking around... You want me to edit the stuff?
It's just hard to swallow because all the other stuff like this always ends up getting proven totally false, and you would think that if it was such a huge percentage of the population capable of it there would be a little more scientific backing...
For instance, when you talk about psi vampirism, they body doesn't rely on an arbitrary energy sourse for its 'energy' and having low ammounts of 'energy' doesn't make you feel tired, its just a common misconseption of language... What we precive as tiredness is simply chemicals released into our body so that we are forced to enter into sleep cycles that give our brain time to process and regather all the information it recieved during the day, as well as several other important functions, like repairing damaged mucles and restablizing toxin and sugar levels in the body. So when you are 'sapping' energy, what physical effect is it having? Is it decompiling brain information? is it breaking down mucle structures? is it offsetting bodysugar levels? is it just randomly creating an unwanted/natural release of chemicals that force tiredness?
Alot of the stuff would be increadibly easy to study if there was acctually any scientific weight to it.
[edit] just as an off topic since it was brought up, evolution is proven to be scientifically possible, but it doesn't change the fact that there is all but no fossil record what so ever to indicate it acctually happening...
<a href='http://www.randi.org/research/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.randi.org/research/index.html</a>
$1 million is yours, that is if you can demonstrate to someone else that you can actually do it. Kind of funny, with that big a reward, I would have thought one of you people would have already stepped forward and claimed it.
And if there's no way you can do so under observable conditions, you really shouldn't expect anyone else to believe you. If you come up with some crazy claim, the burden is on <i>you</i> to prove it, not on others to disprove.
[edit] just as an off topic since it was brought up, evolution is proven to be scientifically possible, but it doesn't change the fact that there is all but no fossil record what so ever to indicate it acctually happening... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh... Since this is totally off topic, it's going to get the kibosh put on it pretty quick, but you are so very very wrong, and if you'd like to continue this without, you know, publicly bringing back mother of all internet flame wars (creationism vs. evolution is always SO ugly), we should probably continue this in PM.
But, briefly, you can trace the evolution of the vertebrate jaw rather easily through cartilaginous fish-> bony fish->lung fish->tetrapods->mammals. Or you could look at the embryology (vertebrates look much the same when they are first developing) , or any other numerous things.
ps. I'm studying to be a paleontologist, and I'm a 4th year Biology Major. Studying evolution is what I do on a week to week basis. Just so you have a few of my credentials.
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[edit] just as an off topic since it was brought up, evolution is proven to be scientifically possible, but it doesn't change the fact that there is all but no fossil record what so ever to indicate it acctually happening... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh... Since this is totally off topic, it's going to get the kibosh put on it pretty quick, but you are so very very wrong, and if you'd like to continue this without, you know, publicly bringing back mother of all internet flame wars (creationism vs. evolution is always SO ugly), we should probably continue this in PM.
But, briefly, you can trace the evolution of the vertebrate jaw rather easily through cartilaginous fish-> bony fish->lung fish->tetrapods->mammals. Or you could look at the embryology (vertebrates look much the same when they are first developing) , or any other numerous things.
ps. I'm studying to be a paleontologist, and I'm a 4th year Biology Major. Studying evolution is what I do on a week to week basis. Just so you have a few of my credentials.
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Yeah I remember you mentioning that earlier. I remember I complitmented you on your sig. Honestly, I'm kinda confused on what he said. Maybe you can clarify... Did he day that there is no fossil record proving evolution? What about Backbones, and Whale's having leg sockets?
Erm anyway. Is that thing for real randomengy? Because if it is, surely someone would go and prove it, just for the money. I mean, I take all these things with a grain of salt, but I still have a streak of spiritism so I won't completely dissmiss it. Surely someone could prove it. I have to wonder what the "testing conditions" are.
Well, no. Just like your mystical happy place, it is shown to rest on several non-falsifiable premises. So when the people raise the OMG IT IS WITHIN THE REALM OF LOGICAL POSSIBILITY!! quote defense endquote, they are right, in a manner of speaking. Further, it is the same defense that yours operates under.
But then you're attempting to claim that there is...
no..
fossil evidence...
for evolution.
Astonishing.
Have you heard of a "natural history museum," I hear they're these big buildings that often contain examples of fossils, as well as educational materials fleshing out the context in which they were found. Perhaps you should visit one.
Say hello to what whales looked like, <a href='http://darla.neoucom.edu/DEPTS/ANAT/Pakicetid.html' target='_blank'>kickin' it oldskool style, son.</a>
Frikk - didn't you know that education just means you've been indoctrinated in the scientific faith, wherein debate is discouraged and blind doctrinal acceptance of the theoreoms of the holy Saint Gould are to be accepted without question or you are cast out?
Well, no. Just like your mystical happy place, it is shown to rest on several non-falsifiable premises. So when the people raise the OMG IT IS WITHIN THE REALM OF LOGICAL POSSIBILITY!! quote defense endquote, they are right, in a manner of speaking. Further, it is the same defense that yours operates under.
But then you're attempting to claim that there is...
no..
fossil evidence...
for evolution.
Astonishing.
Have you heard of a "natural history museum," I hear they're these big buildings that often contain examples of fossils, as well as educational materials fleshing out the context in which they were found. Perhaps you should visit one.
Say hello to what whales looked like, <a href='http://darla.neoucom.edu/DEPTS/ANAT/Pakicetid.html' target='_blank'>kickin' it oldskool style, son.</a>
Frikk - didn't you know that education just means you've been indoctrinated in the scientific faith, wherein debate is discouraged and blind doctrinal acceptance of the theoreoms of the holy Saint Gould are to be accepted without question or you are cast out? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry, I worded that wrong, what I meant to say is that fossil evidence does an extreamly good job of proving that evolution doesn't really happen out side of the <a href='http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/punc-eq.html' target='_blank'>punctuated equilibria</a> model. Which, for all intensive purpouses, seems like an extreamly unlikely way for speciation to happen in light of the slow speeds that we have calculated natural selection and gene mutation to take place.
Not to say that speciation isn't still tracable, it just is isn't sensical.
If you have a reasonable theory for how evolution on the punctuated equilibria model makes sence I'm more than willing to hear it, as I could care less weather or not evolution is proved or disproved from a religious prespective, I just haven't heard of one existing yet.
If I have translated this compleatly incorrectly I apologise in advance, I was just under the impression that this was a fact of evolutionary science that was largely ignored because it is inconviniant to the assumption the evolution is definately the way species came to exist on the earth... To be fair though I have never been able to find any information contrary to that so the assumption was forced to stick for the time being... Suffice to say I usually don't go to in depth into the issue, since I don't really know of any christians that understand it anyways, and I rarely encounter anyone else who can defend the issue against the statement using the language I made in the first post, so if that is the case, what is the point?
Astral projection is just so much nonsense as anything else.
Sleep paralysis is still cool, though. The auditory hallucinations are helluva real-sounding.
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A.S.P. is not cool.. trust me.
if you are some emo goth-death junkie who likes to feel how it is to die by getting crushed , maybe
before ive gone to a therapist,a.s.p. turned me almost into a insomnia zombie...
i got panic to fall asleep several nights after phases of a.s.p.
i almost lost my job once..because something like that isnt very easy to explain to your boss, he self consulted several specialists to inform himself about this syndrome. thats why im able to work at home now.
there is medication against the symptoms of a.s.p. , but when you stop to medication, the a.s.p. comes back more often, and lasts longer..so its like you getting addicted to the meds
At this point lets get back to the somewhat unusual topic at hand, I won't be responding to anything more along the lines of evolution in this thread anyways, so if you have something that you absoutly must counter with, either PM me, or start a topic in discussion and I will definatly come and drop my 2 cents.
[edit]Heh, sheena... I think he ment cool in a scientific studing sence, not literally cool to have. Sounds like you think that its pretty cool that your theripist was able to help you...
[edit]Heh, sheena... I think he ment cool in a scientific studing sence, not literally cool to have. Sounds like you think that its pretty cool that your theripist was able to help you... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
he showed me ways to make it happen only 2-3 times a week now, and not almost every night... the times i cant avoid it is when i wake up and im unable to move at morning, and fall asleep again... in the past i was coming often to late to work
a.s.p. was also a reason why i wasnt accepted for the j.g.s.d.f.
Someone in series 3 of UK BigBrother couldn't move for a few minutes after waking up - quite funny to watch. Although its only lasts for a few seconds, it often feels like it is lasting for hours.
With regards to the following image:
<img src='http://www.paranormal.de/para/ballabene/obe/theorien/theoriegif/pesadilla.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
This is a well know mythologoical character from many cultures all across the globe. Sometimes the creature is thin, boney and menacing - sometimes it is short and fat - there is great variation. It is apparently one of the scariest experiences you can imagine. The creature starts off in the shadows of your room - moving slowly - climbs on top of you - then sits upon your chest and strangles you. These people are not dreaming, they are totally(well obviously not totally) awake. Lots of people wake up with bruising on their necks due to trying to breathe.
Some people experience this every night. They know that it is not real - however each time the panic sets in again. It is pure extreme fear.
Some people think it is the result of a chemical imbalance - which causes a panic fueled cross between sleep and reality - truth is, they're not sure - it alway occurs during REM induced sleep paralysis. The most disturbing question, though, is why do so many people see the "same" thing".
Another interesting Sleep fact is - if you have strangely spiritual dreams/encounters whilst or directly after dreaming - it may be as a result of EM waves. These were generally linked to overhead powercables - but in a few proven cases it has been shown that extreme spiritual encounters have been related to the EM frequency given off by peoples alarm clocks - intefering with "brainwaves".
I have a confession to make. I have lied to you. Bear with me; I'm frustrated. Not only do I believe in psi powers, I KNOW they exist. I know this because I am one of the most powerful psi users alive. Please, do not think I am bragging. This is a proven fact. My powers, however, are rather extraordinary in nature. If I had full control over them, I could lift houses off their foundations. Don't worry, I'd use them for the greater good. I'd be like a comic-book superhero, only not in one of those ridiculous costumes.
However, the sad fact is that I cannot control my powers. I've tried to do so for quite a while now, yet I have made no progress at all. I think it is my fate.
You see, there is a certain power that I cannot deactivate. I mentioned the beholder and its antimagic field. I have an antipsi field, only much more powerful. The beholder only neutralizes magic in front of its large central eye, I neutralize psi everywhere around me. The beholder has a range of only 45m, my range is far greater, somewhere around a kilometer I think. And finally, the beholder can stop the effect of his field by simply closing his eye. I cannot turn mine off. And it completely prevents me and everybody else from using any other powers.
The theory goes that someone with greater powers than mine can overrule my antipsi field and exercise his powers even inside my sphere of influence. That is why I say that I am one of the most powerful psi users alive: No one has ever been able to match me. One of the people who have posted in this thread has tested his powers on me. You know who you are. You failed completely. Please, do not be upset about this, you were a beginner, and people with ten times your experience have gasped in astonishment as their powers vanished in my presence. However, if you will, step forward please and confirm my story.
Well, psi-users in my town shun me. They have tried to demonstrate their powers to me, and they have failed. Yet they insist that it works when they're alone. I eventually came to the conclusion that this must be because I carry a big anti-psi field around with me. I asked the other psi-users about this, and they eagerly confirmed my suspicions. Otherwise, why wouldn't their powers work when I'm around?
So if you know an extraordinarily powerful psi user, please alert him to my problem. It should be easy to find me - if he sends his spirit searching, the presence of such a huge anti-psi field as mine should be overly obvious. He will find me at its epicenter. If he is more powerful than me, he should be able to enter my anti-psi field without problem. And if he is more powerful than me, he might be able to shut it off by force (I hope the shock doesn't kill me). With the anti-psi field off, not only would I stop bothering other psi-users around me, but I could start harnessing my own vast powers. So if you know somebody who can help, please ask him to search for me.
At least I'm not as ugly as a beholder.
The term "Old Hag" was and is still used to describe a demon, ghost, etc. that sits upon their victim's chest, causing paralysis and sometimes making it hard to breathe, the explanations for why an old hag would choose to do this is are as varied as the cultures on earth who experience it. Though nowadays most people who report experiencing SP claim to have never actually SEEN an old hag sitting on their chest, it's not hard to imagine why or how the legend began, and the term stuck. In the past 10 years, and especially the last 2, more and more people are learning that Old Hag actually has a name, Sleep Paralysis, and that is is being seriously studied by researchers around the world. And conversely, researchers are beginning to learn that this is not an isolated event, occurring to just a small percent of the population. Many people have experienced Sleep Paralysis but were just too afraid to mention it their doctor's, psychological or medical, and even leery about discussing it with friends or relatives. Now that the subject is becoming more understood, people are a lot more apt to come forward and talk about their experiences with Sleep Paralysis, and the more people that do so, the sooner scientists and researchers can find out about just what it is that's going on during an episode of Sleep Paralysis. And who knows, maybe the parapsychologists will need to be called in as well, because we all know, 'stranger things have happened."
while others credit the "Devil" himself and/or his minions, and if not that, then the classic "old hag" who sits on an unsuspecting sleeping person's chest, and upon their waking realize they are powerless to move. For what ends a hag would do this are as varied as the cultures on the planet.
The old hag does not always appear as a grotesque elderly matron. For more on the legends and lore of similar 'old hag' experiences, see the bottom part of this page.
Only in the last couple decades, and especially the last 10 or so years, have researchers begun to seriously study this bizarre happening. Nothing is as of yet in concrete, but we at least now have a solid place to begin. And I would like to further add, that although we may now have an explanation of the mechanics involved, it does not mean we know WHY or WHAT causes this strange phenomenon to occur, but only explains what is going on physically during an episode of sleep paralysis, or SP.
Sleep paralysis is a condition in which someone about to fall asleep, or just upon waking from sleep, realizes that they are unable to move or speak, but can still breathe and move their eyes. I like to call this "half-asleep/half-awake" stage the "twilight" stage. Your conscious mind has begun to drift into sleep but is not yet there, therefore you still retain a small amount of your waking conscious. It is a very transitory stage indeed, and one that seems to leave you "open" to certain experiences you would not otherwise be receptive to when fully conscious or fully asleep. It is also accepted by most researchers that although this can happen in any sleeping position, it most commonly occurs in the supine position (laying on your back).
Once the person realizes they are unable to move, they usually, but not always, leave this "twilight" stage and become fully awake, but still paralyzed. At this point the experience can go either way. The person may only experience a temporary paralysis, and after several seconds or up to a minute or so would then regain their movement and the event would be over. Researchers believe many people experience this at one point in their lives.
But the other scenario is much more frightening. Upon realizing one is paralyzed, a whole gamut of hallucinations may occur. Many people report hearing, seeing, and/or sensing a person or people in the room with them while they are paralyzed. There is also the common experience of a usually sensed, malevolent presence (or SMP). Note that not all sensed presences are felt as being malevolent, but very frequently they are. These SMP's usually seem to be just out of view of the person experiencing the SP, who from here on in I will refer to as the 'subject', for the sole purpose of easily identifying the one experiencing the SP. As a frequent sufferer of sleep paralysis, I know that for me its relatively rare to have an episode complete with the SMP, but t does happen, and when it does, it is terrifying. The SMP is so incredibly intimidating and I feel that this very evil, terrible "thing" is just right outside my field of vision, and if I weren't paralyzed and was able to turn my ahead just an inch or so, I would be able to see this horrid thing. At least, that's the feeling I get, and other sufferer's of SP have reported the same.
Sometimes it is reported that the subject feels crushed, smothered, or pushed into the bed. There are auditory hallucinations as well. A voice or voices may be heard, as well as footsteps. A loud buzzing noise is sometimes reported.
Out-of-Body experiences are also frequently reported with SP, along with the sensation of floating and sometimes of "falling" through the bed.
During SP a person may try to cry out or "fight" the presence they believe is responsible for causing them to be paralyzed. This has never helped me nor anyone else I've ever heard of, but somehow we have the innate feeling that we must "fight" this feeling. Usually movement returns slowly, usually within a minute or so.
These hallucinations are called hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations. These hallucinations are given these names because they occur at the onset of sleep, and the period just before waking, the period I call the 'twilight' stages of sleep. They can be auditory, visual, tactile and proprioceptive. A proprioceptor is a sensory receptor found mainly in the joints, muscles, tendons and inner ear that detects motion and can also can detect the position of a limb by responding to internal stimuli. This means when a person feels smashed into the bed or a creature is sitting on their chest that it really can be a VERY convincing hallucination. So I'd say that is possibly one of the single greatest arguments for a pro-"it's all in your mind" stance on SP. Because of proprioceptors we can feel as though we're falling through the bed, even though we actually are lying quite stationary, it can be among the most convincing of all hallucinations.
From my 'research into other people's research' I have found a few people ('people' meaning doctor's studying sleep research and/or their students contributing to the research) that agree that there are or can be several outside contributing factors to SP. Stress, emotional or physical, and one you have no power over, adolescence. The first time I heard this I automatically thought about the correlation between poltergeists and adolescent children, pre-pubescent or pubescent. Of course my train of thought ended there because I have no specialized skills in psychology, parapsychology or kids.
It is very hard to believe it is a hallucination, but, after all, that's what a hallucination proper is. This, however, does not make the experience any less terrifying. While it is happening it feels pretty damn real! And remember, this is not written in stone. This is scientific theory, not scientific fact. Who's to say these experiences aren't real? Or for that matter, more real than anything we've ever experienced? Maybe they can be so terrifying because it's a reality experienced on a totally different level. So who's to say these aren't angels here to show us another place? Maybe our fear is the totally normal and understandable fear of not wanting to leave our physical bodies. Maybe it's NO ONE showing us anything, maybe we are doing the looking and the searching all on our own. And then again, maybe it's just all in our heads.
Or conversely, something altogether more sinister. Maybe it is something so innately evil, even if we want to 'go with the flow' and see where the experience takes us, the deepest part of our minds will not let us, perhaps because we somehow already know of this nemesis. Who knows, maybe it's just gas. And maybe it's not, hmmm.
Some researchers at Waterloo University have done some of the most intense research on SP. They have studied the REM dream states and compared them to SP with hypnogogic and hypnopompic hallucinations, (or HHE's) and have found some interesting results. While we are dreaming in a normal REM state, our minds send out a message to our body's to cease our normal motor functions, our muscles "turn off" in a sense, so that we do not act out our dreams. This keeps us from possibly doing damage to ourselves or those around us. While in an REM state, we are experiencing stimuli manufactured from within our own minds, effectively "tuning out" the world around us.
REM SP with HHE's differ from a normal period of REM in two significant ways. 1.) There is little or no blocking of external stimulation, and 2.) the sufferer of SP regains full conscious, whereas they were in the "twilight" stage of sleep, i.e. sleep onset or sleep offset, and instead of falling into a deeper sleep state, regain consciousness but continue to 'dream'. Researchers believe the paralysis is due to the failure of the brains neurons to "remind" the body it is now awake so it is unable to move (called muscle atonia). And remember, not only is the person unable to move, but they are also "dreaming while awake", a condition that is very confusing and frightening. The hallucinations they encounter seem every bit as real as you sitting in front of the computer right now. This theory seems wrong to me, or at least it doesn't seem to apply to my SP. Dreams are very distinct, they have an obvious 'surrealness' about them, whereas my SP is a totally different thing. It's hard to explain, but if you've experienced SP, I KNOW you know what I mean. (right?!)
During these episodes of hallucinogenic SP, the mind is not only accepting outside stimulation, but is also 'warping' it in much the same way as our dream states warp information. Its a melding of the two worlds, only the subject is not asleep.
It is not hard to see why demons, devils, and other beasties of the night have been blamed for these nocturnal 'attacks'. Virtually all cultures with a written or oral history has some kind of form of SP they have reported, and with that a usually very colorful explanation as to why these things happen. But if you're of an occult mind, or just an open one, it's also not hard to see why scary folk of the night would take advantage of us while in such a vulnerable position. Either way, legend and lore abounds. SP is more commonly known as Old Hag, and the origin for this title may have roots as far back as the Sumerians. Ardat lili or Lilitu, an evil hag-demon, was said to have the power of flight, which she preferred to do at night when she would attack men in their sleep. This seems a very obvious reference to the original Lilith, who refused to lay on her back when laying with Adam, and was therefore thrown out of Eden for a more suitable (docile) mate for Adam. After she was thrown out of Eden a myriad of things happened, depending on who you hear tell it, but a few things remain constant, Lilith flew away and is now the eater of children, hers and others alike. (If they be her children, we at least know which position they were not bore. Ha.) She is a disgusting old hag, (aren't all women who do not marry and obey they're men?!!) who now flies over the land at night seeking revenge for being thrown out of Eden.
But this myth is hardly unique, as many she-devils and hag-demons have, over time, made their presence known in mythology. They take credit for the nocturnal assaults for one reason or another.
Surprisingly, though, is the consistency of such reports made by societies and cultures with no previous knowledge of each other or their lore. The main details remain constant. A man or woman is attacked during the night, usually lying on their back, when an evil entity sits upon their body, causes paralysis, and even sometimes chokes or smothers it's victim. Though their motivation may differ, (possession, revenge, or just wanting to upset the living) the attack remains strikingly similar. And these stories are not limited to Western cultures, in fact, quite the contrary. In Thailand people refer to being Phi um (ghost covered) and phi kau (ghost possessed), and these experiences include a feeling of pressure, paralysis, and something black covering the body. In Japan, kanashibara ("to tie with an iron rope") is a common known and accepted experience. In the Far North one speaks of agumangia (Inupik) or ukomiarik (Yupik) in which "a soul" tries to take possession of the paralyzed victim. In Laos, da chor is described as follows: "You want to listen, you can't hear; you want to speak, you are dumb; you want to call out, you cannot; you feel you are dying, dying; you want to run away. You **** with fear in your sleep"