Astral Projection

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  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    yeah..make your stupid jokes...

    <a href='http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html' target='_blank'>What is S.P. </a>
  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Sleep paralysis sounds like fun, well, once or twice. Pitty I have the opposite problem, sleep walking.

    It doesn't happen any more but when I was a child I did it quite alot. It's really really weird to wake up _under_ your bed or get up and have strange conversations with your parents that you can remember nothing of, or at best remember it as vaguely as a dream(the by far weirdest episode of sleep walking I have experienced went something like this. mom: "You where sleep walking last night". Me: "Oh really?." Mom: "yeah you turned the TV on full volume and when I went in your room and turned it off and asked you what you where doing, I had to ask a bunch of times before you would answer, you dug around in the box with the lego's and said you where looking for the secret base." Me:"wth <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->", Mom:"I tried convincing you there was no secret base but you mumbled something about a conspiracy", Me: *ROFL at this point*, "I managed to convince you that a conspiracy was actually a good thing and you shouldn't worry, I had to ask you like twenty times before you would go back to bed, you kept saying "I'm busy"").

    Also, when your sleep walking you're apparently pretty easy to boss around, as you sort of invent things that happen in your dream to match it up with whatever someone is telling you if you manage to hear them. Good thing my mom isn't malicious enough to take advantage of this fact.
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    I read about this once.

    There are 4 stages of sleep. The 1st is REM mode, where it is a light sleep, and your eyes move. 3rd stage of sleep is where you might sleep walk. Upon entering the 4th stage, your brain cuts off its connection to the rest of the body (they believe this is because when we were still sleeping in trees in the stone age, you wouldn't fall out). However, if you wake up suddenly from the 4th level sleep (this is easier to do on some people more than others), temporarily your brain hasn't connected itself with your body so you are sort of in lingo for a few moments not able to move your body.

    Nothing out of body about it.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-ThE HeRo+Oct 19 2004, 02:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ThE HeRo @ Oct 19 2004, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'll be sure to come visit some of you guys at the asylum. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There's no need for that. People who believe in things like astral projection are simply misguided or uninformed. That is not deviancy and does not deserve judgement.

    <span style='color:white'>I rescind this statement and offer up this instead: Don't judge people who hold convictions that deviate from yours, lest you be judged on the basis of your own convictions. I personally see Astral Projection as Spiritism and thus may not be able to ever accept it, but should I see proof of its existence, then so help me God I will believe.</span>

    Sheenai, that sounds really really terrifying, I hope you don't think I am making light of sleep paralysis when I argue against Astral Projection. I've had several friends who had bad cases of sleep paralysis and what they describe always horrifies me. But they always say that someone else can get them to snap out of it with physical contact.

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    lol Soylent, Lego Base conspiracies, sounds fun.
  • booogerboooger Join Date: 2003-11-03 Member: 22274Members
    astral projection sounds like poo-poo on my face-face, but i wanna have a lucid dream. dangit.
  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Oct 19 2004, 10:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Oct 19 2004, 10:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So stay sharp, ok? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think that sums it up nicely.
  • RatonetwothreetwooneRatonetwothreetwoone Join Date: 2004-03-23 Member: 27504Members
    drugs ftw <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RuByRuBy Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10732Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Hawkeye+Oct 19 2004, 04:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Oct 19 2004, 04:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I read about this once.

    There are 4 stages of sleep. The 1st is REM mode, where it is a light sleep, and your eyes move. 3rd stage of sleep is where you might sleep walk. Upon entering the 4th stage, your brain cuts off its connection to the rest of the body (they believe this is because when we were still sleeping in trees in the stone age, you wouldn't fall out). However, if you wake up suddenly from the 4th level sleep (this is easier to do on some people more than others), temporarily your brain hasn't connected itself with your body so you are sort of in lingo for a few moments not able to move your body.

    Nothing out of body about it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://www.sleepdisorderchannel.net/stages/' target='_blank'>not exactly</a>
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 19 2004, 04:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 19 2004, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But they always say that someone else can get them to snap out of it with physical contact.
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    i know theres nothing real dangerous on that,
    but its like she was saving me... i was so gratefull for that touch , i was holding her for some minutes and almost cryed.

    i was living a long time alone , getting to bed was always bound with the fear of S.P. , but since i have my 2 inmates i sleep way better

    being able to talk about something like that with peoples who experienced the same really helps


    oh..btw , i was asked once if i want to medicate the symptoms, but after ive heard that the symptons getting stronger, and the S.P. happens more often when not takin the medication anymore i decided not to do it
  • CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
    edited October 2004
    Ok wait guys, I was the one that started the thread, here are my views on Astral Projection:

    It seems like a grand and wonderful thing to go floating around with other travelllers, but it seems impossible. Now, I think it is a byproduct of your sub-concious running wild and creating extremely vivid visions for you, but I also kinda believe in the physical aspect of it.

    There are no drugs involved, the astral projection community warned against it. Also, how can this community all simutaneously lie about it? For all we know, we could be the ignorant ones, I don't think any of you that bash it have ever given it any forthought or try.

    I've tried Astral Projection before, but they were unsuccessful attempts. one thing that did happen though was rapid body vibration. This vibration is supposed to be the most important thing to "astral projection"...


    I kinda lay there and enjoy the Sleep Paralysis. Everytime it happens, I find someone screaming at me, but it is not the "inside the head" kinda sound, it is more like someone is actually beside you. One time the screaming voice said "YOUR BANNED, YOUR BANNED!" over and over. Next day, I was banned from one of the MMORPG servers I play...the voice goes over and over and escalates, i questioned why I am banned, but it just got louder because I questioned it. if you don't want to feel like you are being squished when in S.P. don't struggle.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There's no need for that.  People who believe in things like astral projection are simply misguided or uninformed.  That is not deviancy and does not deserve judgement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you're going to throw around statements like that, I certainly hope that you're atheist, as the same statement can be used to describe any religion or commonly held belief.

    I've had real experiences with psi. Not astral projection specifically, but with psi balls, psi pinging, feeling and influencing (My friends have changed my feelings before, and one of my friends has simulated touch by making my arm move, making my shoulder hurt and "hugging" me.), shielding (I have very strong shields over my mind) and psi vampirism. (Draining a bit of your energy) I, myself, can form psi balls and absorb feelings from things. (If I absorb the feeling of the earth, I become extremely calm and my senses get sharper.)

    If you don't believe me, that's fine. I have my truth, you have yours. If you choose not to believe that what I've said is true, then there is nothing I can do to change your mind. But please, don't let the discussion boil down to petty insults. That'll only get the topic locked.
  • illuminexilluminex Join Date: 2004-03-13 Member: 27317Members, Constellation
    Ok Cold-Nite, as long as we're both in the clear on the issue.

    There's a lot of crap that goes on when anything spiritual is mentioned. People claim absolutely retarded things sometimes with spirituality as its main defense, so I see where you are coming from.

    I've attempted Astral Projection many times before, and never actually got "out." However, the sensation of my body vibrating like I was touching an electric fence and the feeling that I was being flung around my room and yet knowing that I was laying down have led some personal credibility to this issue. Maybe Astral Projection is impossible. Maybe it is possible. I can only come from personal experience on the issue, and so I cannot say whether until I experience it myself.

    That's my final view on it. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There's no need for that.  People who believe in things like astral projection are simply misguided or uninformed.  That is not deviancy and does not deserve judgement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you're going to throw around statements like that, I certainly hope that you're atheist, as the same statement can be used to describe any religion or commonly held belief.

    I've had real experiences with psi. Not astral projection specifically, but with psi balls, psi pinging, feeling and influencing (My friends have changed my feelings before, and one of my friends has simulated touch by making my arm move, making my shoulder hurt and "hugging" me.), shielding (I have very strong shields over my mind) and psi vampirism. (Draining a bit of your energy) I, myself, can form psi balls and absorb feelings from things. (If I absorb the feeling of the earth, I become extremely calm and my senses get sharper.)

    If you don't believe me, that's fine. I have my truth, you have yours. If you choose not to believe that what I've said is true, then there is nothing I can do to change your mind. But please, don't let the discussion boil down to petty insults. That'll only get the topic locked. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Call it what you will, you're pretty much just describing fairly textbook psycological phenomina. Never underestimate the subconcious powers of the brain, anything that can be done between humans that deosn't involve physical touching is less magic and more science. To feel what another entity is feeling is a very easy phsycological exercize, you can even create fictional characters and 'feel' thier emotions with complete success.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 19 2004, 10:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 19 2004, 10:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There's no need for that.  People who believe in things like astral projection are simply misguided or uninformed.  That is not deviancy and does not deserve judgement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you're going to throw around statements like that, I certainly hope that you're atheist, as the same statement can be used to describe any religion or commonly held belief.

    I've had real experiences with psi. Not astral projection specifically, but with psi balls, psi pinging, feeling and influencing (My friends have changed my feelings before, and one of my friends has simulated touch by making my arm move, making my shoulder hurt and "hugging" me.), shielding (I have very strong shields over my mind) and psi vampirism. (Draining a bit of your energy) I, myself, can form psi balls and absorb feelings from things. (If I absorb the feeling of the earth, I become extremely calm and my senses get sharper.)

    If you don't believe me, that's fine. I have my truth, you have yours. If you choose not to believe that what I've said is true, then there is nothing I can do to change your mind. But please, don't let the discussion boil down to petty insults. That'll only get the topic locked. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Call it what you will, you're pretty much just describing fairly textbook psycological phenomina. Never underestimate the subconcious powers of the brain, anything that can be done between humans that deosn't involve physical touching is less magic and more science. To feel what another entity is feeling is a very easy phsycological exercize, you can even create fictional characters and 'feel' thier emotions with complete success. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hmm... Where can I read about this? Does the writing describe multiple people feeling these phenomena?

    Please don't say "magic", this isn't magic at all. To me, it's perfectly logical. To me, it is another part of science.

    See, my theory is... Psi is made up of the energy that everything gives off. Electricity, for example, might be one part of psi energy. (Yes, this does sound very Star Wars-y, I admit, but so what?) Psi energy is basically every single thing. Now... My belief is that everyone has the power to manipulate psi, but you have to practice to really make it noticeable/useful.

    Cats, as an example, seem to focus heavily on using psi energy to transmit their feelings. (I can tell what my cats are feeling, even if they haven't moved and their facial expression stays the same.)

    I'd like to add one more thing, to anyone who says "Science proves it to be impossible": Keep in mind that we don't know everything yet. For all you know, science <i>can</i> prove it to be possible, but we just haven't discovered how, yet.
  • booogerboooger Join Date: 2003-11-03 Member: 22274Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Keep in mind that we don't know everything yet.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    LIES!

    going to try me some lucid dreaming tonight. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-sheena yanai+Oct 19 2004, 05:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Oct 19 2004, 05:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 19 2004, 04:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 19 2004, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But they always say that someone else can get them to snap out of it with physical contact.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i know theres nothing real dangerous on that,
    but its like she was saving me... i was so gratefull for that touch , i was holding her for some minutes and almost cryed.

    i was living a long time alone , getting to bed was always bound with the fear of S.P. , but since i have my 2 inmates i sleep way better

    being able to talk about something like that with peoples who experienced the same really helps


    oh..btw , i was asked once if i want to medicate the symptoms, but after ive heard that the symptons getting stronger, and the S.P. happens more often when not takin the medication anymore i decided not to do it<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You are probably wondering why things like this scare me so much eh?

    I guess I might as well tell you. I come from a family that in its earlier generations was positively <i>steeped</i> in mysticism. India is the root of many of the spiritual (yet non-religion) subcultures that found their way here, as it is the root of many mystic beliefs. My mother suffered from sleep paralysis and let me tell you, being a little kid and seeing a terrified look on your mothers face and her shaking but unable to move IS NOT SOMETHING THAT GOES AWAY EASILY. But that is my problem, not yours, don't think I want your pity. She also held some strong leanings towards Spiritism, spirits or spiritual energy residing in even inanimate objects. This is unsurprising as the specific cultural group of the area I come from was the group that gave birth to the original gypsies, and thus still has many of those beliefs.

    So I guess because of that I seek to define that which I deem irrational. But far be it for me to tell any of you that something you have any significant amount of convinction in is wrong. I refuse to do something like that. If I can allow you to see another paradigm that is all well and good, but if you truly believe in something I will not ever desire to take those beliefs away. That I suppose is directed mostly at CForrester.

    <!--QuoteBegin-RuBy+Oct 19 2004, 05:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RuBy @ Oct 19 2004, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Hawkeye+Oct 19 2004, 04:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Oct 19 2004, 04:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I read about this once.

    There are 4 stages of sleep.  The 1st is REM mode, where it is a light sleep, and your eyes move.  3rd stage of sleep is where you might sleep walk.  Upon entering the 4th stage, your brain cuts off its connection to the rest of the body (they believe this is because when we were still sleeping in trees in the stone age, you wouldn't fall out).  However, if you wake up suddenly from the 4th level sleep (this is easier to do on some people more than others), temporarily your brain hasn't connected itself with your body so you are sort of in lingo for a few moments not able to move your body. 

    Nothing out of body about it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://www.sleepdisorderchannel.net/stages/' target='_blank'>not exactly</a><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lol I was desperate to correct him on that but I didn't know any sites with it on there. I was on the verge of scanning in my Psych textbook or something. Thanks Ruby.

    <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There's no need for that.  People who believe in things like astral projection are simply misguided or uninformed.  That is not deviancy and does not deserve judgement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you're going to throw around statements like that, I certainly hope that you're atheist, as the same statement can be used to describe any religion or commonly held belief.

    I've had real experiences with psi. Not astral projection specifically, but with psi balls, psi pinging, feeling and influencing (My friends have changed my feelings before, and one of my friends has simulated touch by making my arm move, making my shoulder hurt and "hugging" me.), shielding (I have very strong shields over my mind) and psi vampirism. (Draining a bit of your energy) I, myself, can form psi balls and absorb feelings from things. (If I absorb the feeling of the earth, I become extremely calm and my senses get sharper.)

    If you don't believe me, that's fine. I have my truth, you have yours. If you choose not to believe that what I've said is true, then there is nothing I can do to change your mind. But please, don't let the discussion boil down to petty insults. That'll only get the topic locked.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    These words are all too familiar to me. And perhaps some part of me continues to believe in things like this. But I will wait the day it can be proven and still hold true to the tenents of the Scientific Method: Testability and Reproduciblity.

    <!--QuoteBegin-illuminex+Oct 19 2004, 09:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (illuminex @ Oct 19 2004, 09:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ok Cold-Nite, as long as we're both in the clear on the issue. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They're your beliefs, you choose them as you see fit. Don't think I would tell you right from wrong, as that is insulting. Our opinions are in conflict, at the most. But that doesn't need to mean we are in conflict. Good to know you feel the same way.

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    *SIGH* And now I proceed to shut up.

    *EDIT* Typos.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Oct 19 2004, 09:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 19 2004, 09:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 19 2004, 10:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 19 2004, 10:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There's no need for that.  People who believe in things like astral projection are simply misguided or uninformed.  That is not deviancy and does not deserve judgement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you're going to throw around statements like that, I certainly hope that you're atheist, as the same statement can be used to describe any religion or commonly held belief.

    I've had real experiences with psi. Not astral projection specifically, but with psi balls, psi pinging, feeling and influencing (My friends have changed my feelings before, and one of my friends has simulated touch by making my arm move, making my shoulder hurt and "hugging" me.), shielding (I have very strong shields over my mind) and psi vampirism. (Draining a bit of your energy) I, myself, can form psi balls and absorb feelings from things. (If I absorb the feeling of the earth, I become extremely calm and my senses get sharper.)

    If you don't believe me, that's fine. I have my truth, you have yours. If you choose not to believe that what I've said is true, then there is nothing I can do to change your mind. But please, don't let the discussion boil down to petty insults. That'll only get the topic locked. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Call it what you will, you're pretty much just describing fairly textbook psycological phenomina. Never underestimate the subconcious powers of the brain, anything that can be done between humans that deosn't involve physical touching is less magic and more science. To feel what another entity is feeling is a very easy phsycological exercize, you can even create fictional characters and 'feel' thier emotions with complete success. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hmm... Where can I read about this? Does the writing describe multiple people feeling these phenomena?

    Please don't say "magic", this isn't magic at all. To me, it's perfectly logical. To me, it is another part of science.

    See, my theory is... Psi is made up of the energy that everything gives off. Electricity, for example, might be one part of psi energy. (Yes, this does sound very Star Wars-y, I admit, but so what?) Psi energy is basically every single thing. Now... My belief is that everyone has the power to manipulate psi, but you have to practice to really make it noticeable/useful.

    Cats, as an example, seem to focus heavily on using psi energy to transmit their feelings. (I can tell what my cats are feeling, even if they haven't moved and their facial expression stays the same.)

    I'd like to add one more thing, to anyone who says "Science proves it to be impossible": Keep in mind that we don't know everything yet. For all you know, science <i>can</i> prove it to be possible, but we just haven't discovered how, yet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm taking an intro to psyc course in Uni right now, and pretty much half of every chapter is devoted to subconcious things the brain does that I wouldn't have guessed. suffice to say people are extreamly apt at reading eachother's emotions through physical cues (some are obvious, like facial expressions, others are not even conciously registered, like pheramone, and other chemical levels). Not only that but our recall centers are trained to bring up physical states of being by mental cues, (think of a lemon drop hard candy, little, yellow and oh so lemoney, knowtice your mouth is watering) we can draw small physical changes out of our body just by thought like the example I just gave, or we can draw massive physical changes, like the ability to compleatly ignore pain (I can't do it great yet, but we all have seen those nuts hanging off of hooks peirced though the skin on thier backs before). When you see someone sad, or you think about a character that is sad, you're brain is recalling the way that emotion feels and progecting it onto your own person, and you can magnify the feeling by focusing on the emotion or character, or you can choose to ignore the character or emotion, and not experiance it at all.

    Cats are EXTREAMLY EXTREAMLY expressive animals, the thing is, all their expressions are totally different then human facial expressions, its all done by smoothness of motion, positioning of ears, hair, whiskers, and muscular structure, and suttle chemical cues. It isn't hard to learn a cats expressions for human beings, we have some instinctual ability to read all basic mamalian physical expressions, and we just build on that with experiance. So when you say that you are reading a cats emotions that it isn't broadcasting because it hasn't moved, you couldn't be more wrong, cats broadcast thier emotions flagrantly it is just a different set of cues then humans use.

    Not to say that I have proved that Psi, the way you describe it, doesn't exist, It would require quite a bit more extensive experimentation to do that. Just to say that all the examples you have given to date have explinations that have more or less been proven to be related to the way the human brain works internally, rather than a uniform force that the brain control's externally.

    [edit] Oh, I wanted to add, it isn't that science has proven it to be impossible, science has proven it to be unlikely, and attempts at scientific explinations will most likely be shot down, because science is a pretty closed field when it comes to doing things like adding states of matter or energy that haven't been discovered at all. It's really like saying that there is a giant red ball over los angeles that we just haven't seen yet because we haven't looked. I can gaurentee you we have looked very long and hard.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 19 2004, 11:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 19 2004, 11:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Oct 19 2004, 09:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 19 2004, 09:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 19 2004, 10:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 19 2004, 10:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 19 2004, 05:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There's no need for that.  People who believe in things like astral projection are simply misguided or uninformed.  That is not deviancy and does not deserve judgement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you're going to throw around statements like that, I certainly hope that you're atheist, as the same statement can be used to describe any religion or commonly held belief.

    I've had real experiences with psi. Not astral projection specifically, but with psi balls, psi pinging, feeling and influencing (My friends have changed my feelings before, and one of my friends has simulated touch by making my arm move, making my shoulder hurt and "hugging" me.), shielding (I have very strong shields over my mind) and psi vampirism. (Draining a bit of your energy) I, myself, can form psi balls and absorb feelings from things. (If I absorb the feeling of the earth, I become extremely calm and my senses get sharper.)

    If you don't believe me, that's fine. I have my truth, you have yours. If you choose not to believe that what I've said is true, then there is nothing I can do to change your mind. But please, don't let the discussion boil down to petty insults. That'll only get the topic locked. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Call it what you will, you're pretty much just describing fairly textbook psycological phenomina. Never underestimate the subconcious powers of the brain, anything that can be done between humans that deosn't involve physical touching is less magic and more science. To feel what another entity is feeling is a very easy phsycological exercize, you can even create fictional characters and 'feel' thier emotions with complete success. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hmm... Where can I read about this? Does the writing describe multiple people feeling these phenomena?

    Please don't say "magic", this isn't magic at all. To me, it's perfectly logical. To me, it is another part of science.

    See, my theory is... Psi is made up of the energy that everything gives off. Electricity, for example, might be one part of psi energy. (Yes, this does sound very Star Wars-y, I admit, but so what?) Psi energy is basically every single thing. Now... My belief is that everyone has the power to manipulate psi, but you have to practice to really make it noticeable/useful.

    Cats, as an example, seem to focus heavily on using psi energy to transmit their feelings. (I can tell what my cats are feeling, even if they haven't moved and their facial expression stays the same.)

    I'd like to add one more thing, to anyone who says "Science proves it to be impossible": Keep in mind that we don't know everything yet. For all you know, science <i>can</i> prove it to be possible, but we just haven't discovered how, yet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm taking an intro to psyc course in Uni right now, and pretty much half of every chapter is devoted to subconcious things the brain does that I wouldn't have guessed. suffice to say people are extreamly apt at reading eachother's emotions through physical cues (some are obvious, like facial expressions, others are not even conciously registered, like pheramone, and other chemical levels). Not only that but our recall centers are trained to bring up physical states of being by mental cues, (think of a lemon drop hard candy, little, yellow and oh so lemoney, knowtice your mouth is watering) we can draw small physical changes out of our body just by thought like the example I just gave, or we can draw massive physical changes, like the ability to compleatly ignore pain (I can't do it great yet, but we all have seen those nuts hanging off of hooks peirced though the skin on thier backs before). When you see someone sad, or you think about a character that is sad, you're brain is recalling the way that emotion feels and progecting it onto your own person, and you can magnify the feeling by focusing on the emotion or character, or you can choose to ignore the character or emotion, and not experiance it at all.

    Cats are EXTREAMLY EXTREAMLY expressive animals, the thing is, all their expressions are totally different then human facial expressions, its all done by smoothness of motion, positioning of ears, hair, whiskers, and muscular structure, and suttle chemical cues. It isn't hard to learn a cats expressions for human beings, we have some instinctual ability to read all basic mamalian physical expressions, and we just build on that with experiance. So when you say that you are reading a cats emotions that it isn't broadcasting because it hasn't moved, you couldn't be more wrong, cats broadcast thier emotions flagrantly it is just a different set of cues then humans use.

    Not to say that I have proved that Psi, the way you describe it, doesn't exist, It would require quite a bit more extensive experimentation to do that. Just to say that all the examples you have given to date have explinations that have more or less been proven to be related to the way the human brain works internally, rather than a uniform force that the brain control's externally.

    [edit] Oh, I wanted to add, it isn't that science has proven it to be impossible, science has proven it to be unlikely, and attempts at scientific explinations will most likely be shot down, because science is a pretty closed field when it comes to doing things like adding states of matter or energy that haven't been discovered at all. It's really like saying that there is a giant red ball over los angeles that we just haven't seen yet because we haven't looked. I can gaurentee you we have looked very long and hard. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well hell I see what you are saying, I have a similar standpoint. I mean a horse faked the ability to do math for several years by picking up on facial cues, and fooled a fair bit of people. Taking a psych class is supplemental to your knowledge but does not make you an expert on everything mind related. I am taking a psych class as well, but I doubt I would use that as some kind of qualifier. However, it does help you see the world with different eyes so to speak.

    No, I am not dismissing what you say. I just wanted to point that out.
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Crotalus+Oct 20 2004, 06:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crotalus @ Oct 20 2004, 06:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I find someone screaming at me, but it is not the "inside the head" kinda sound, it is more like someone is actually beside you. One time the screaming voice said "YOUR BANNED, YOUR BANNED!" over and overy...the voice goes over and over and escalates, i questioned why I am banned, but it just got louder because I questioned it. if you don't want to feel like you are being squished when in S.P. don't struggle. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, I've noticed that too. The more I struggle to wake up, the worse the noise gets.

    For me, these days it doesn't happen very often. The last bunch of times, I could feel it coming on, and undo it before it happened. It's nice to know that it's not harmful, though - that was the part that worried me most. I can deal with the symptoms.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 20 2004, 12:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 20 2004, 12:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ::Tonnes and tonnes of removed quotes::

    Well hell I see what you are saying, I have a similar standpoint.  I mean a horse faked the ability to do math for several years by picking up on facial cues, and fooled a fair bit of people.  Taking a psych class is supplemental to your knowledge but does not make you an expert on everything mind related.  I am taking a psych class as well, but I doubt I would use that as some kind of qualifier.  However, it does help you see the world with different eyes so to speak. 

    No, I am not dismissing what you say.  I just wanted to point that out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm not trying to say I'm an expert, not by any means, but the examples I gave there, with the exeption of the cat stuff, were either directly said by my professor, taken out of my psyc text. The theories, I supplimented from stuff I learned in psyc (well mostly bio twelve, it isn't really complicated processing).

    The cat stuff I know because I am compleatly obessed with cats and have tonnes of recearch on them. I realized when reading about cats behievioral and emotional cues out of a huge cat book, that I already knew most of them just from living and playing with my cats over a few years. Compartitively I have spent almost no time with dogs, but I can still read thier beheivior to a small degree.

    Like I say, I'm not making proofs anyways, I'm just stating alternitive explinations. Its just as likely that some of my explinations are wrong as it is that psi explinations are wrong.

    It is a fact that there is tonnes and tonnes of stuff that our brain does that we are not concious of.

    [edit] didn't like the original language I used.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    Oh, one thing I'd like to note... A lot of the psi work that I've done with other people has been over great distances. (The person I was practicing the physical manipulation with lives in Kentucky. I live in Quebec. As was the psi vampirism experience.)

    And a thing that I didn't mention about cats... I can sometimes pick their emotions up when we're in seperate rooms, even if nobody has made a sound. And if I go there to investigate, the emotion I thought that they projected was the emotion that they were actually feeling.

    This doesn't happen as often as I'd like, I'll have to work on that.
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    Geez! Sorry! That's just what I read. Pardon me!

    Does anyone else here feel like they've never ever reached level 3 sleep in their <b>life</b>? *raises hand*
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Oct 20 2004, 07:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 20 2004, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh, one thing I'd like to note... A lot of the psi work that I've done with other people has been over great distances. (The person I was practicing the physical manipulation with lives in Kentucky. I live in Quebec. As was the psi vampirism experience.)

    And a thing that I didn't mention about cats... I can sometimes pick their emotions up when we're in seperate rooms, even if nobody has made a sound. And if I go there to investigate, the emotion I thought that they projected was the emotion that they were actually feeling.

    This doesn't happen as often as I'd like, I'll have to work on that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Psi Vampirism has me interested since it might acctually be provable (or disproveable <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). I'd love to be able to test vamping off normal unknowing strangers and then seeing if they acctually felt an energy loss. The problem is that if you know something might happen, or think something will happen, you can't reliably be tested because of weird stuff the brain does. The possiblity is too great that it is just a large scale placebo effect.

    Anyway, I prefer to practice diciplines that I can explain within the realm of the physical <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 20 2004, 02:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 20 2004, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Psi Vampirism has me interested since it might acctually be provable (or disproveable <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).  I'd love to be able to test vamping off normal unknowing strangers and then seeing if they acctually felt an energy loss.  The problem is that if you know something might happen, or think something will happen, you can't reliably be tested because of weird stuff the brain does.  The possiblity is too great that it is just a large scale placebo effect.

    Anyway, I prefer to practice diciplines that I can explain within the realm of the physical <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The first time I "fed" the psi vampire was completely unexpected. She hadn't asked or anything. But she's done it again a few times after that and asked. What you feel varies depending on the person and their energy level, (though something that happens to everyone is exhaustion afterwards) but what I felt was my entire body starting to tingle, then it slowly wore off and I thought that was it for a few seconds, then I was suddenly really tired.

    She didn't take much energy, so I wasn't tired for more than a day or so, but another one of my friends was tired for three days after the psi vampire had taken energy from her. She had physical contact, though, so more energy may have transferred.

    [EDIT:] She very much enjoys feeding off of random people and watching them get extremely tired. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
    What is Psi Vampirism?
    Give me a linked, it sounds interesting!

    I have investigated more into Astral Projection, and I am going to keep trying till I get it. Apparently, those rapid "electrical shock" vibrations are the result of your concience try to pull free of the body according to the websites.

    That means maybe if I try harder, I can fully pull out of my body. I am very interested to see if this new age thing really works or not. Also, whenever I have Sleep Paralysis, I hear someone scream at me. Last time it was screaming at me that I was banned, the next day, I was banned from my favorite MMORPG server.

    Anybody ever had prophecies like that? They freak me out sometimes...
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Crotalus+Oct 20 2004, 02:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crotalus @ Oct 20 2004, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What is Psi Vampirism?
    Give me a linked, it sounds interesting! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I actually don't have any sources right now, but I'll take a look around. All I know is what I've learned from my friend.

    Basically, she feeds off of others' energy. This allows her to get less sleep and eat less without feeling the effects, but I really wish that she wouldn't... (It's still unhealthy, and she says that it feels weird because you're surviving on someone else's energy, not your own.) This isn't something that she learned how to do, though, she was doing it before she even realized what it was. You should be able to do something similar with a little practice.

    [EDIT:] Here's a link. I learned something interesting too... Hrm... I guess it's more important that she take energy than I thought. <a href='http://www.sanguinarius.org/articles/CA_psi-vamp_info.shtml' target='_blank'>http://www.sanguinarius.org/articles/CA_psi-vamp_info.shtml</a>
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    ****! Dont fed off my psi!
  • CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
    Well, uh I dunno, it says you get tired when you talk to people sometimes because they are eating your Psi or something, isn't it just exhaustion from whatever that person is blabbing about?
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Crotalus+Oct 20 2004, 06:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crotalus @ Oct 20 2004, 06:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, uh I dunno, it says you get tired when you talk to people sometimes because they are eating your Psi or something, isn't it just exhaustion from whatever that person is blabbing about? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That was humour, though it could happen. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Crotalus+Oct 20 2004, 01:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crotalus @ Oct 20 2004, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What is Psi Vampirism?
    Give me a linked, it sounds interesting!

    I have investigated more into Astral Projection, and I am going to keep trying till I get it. Apparently, those rapid "electrical shock" vibrations are the result of your concience try to pull free of the body according to the websites.

    That means maybe if I try harder, I can fully pull out of my body. I am very interested to see if this new age thing really works or not. Also, whenever I have Sleep Paralysis, I hear someone scream at me. Last time it was screaming at me that I was banned, the next day, I was banned from my favorite MMORPG server.

    Anybody ever had prophecies like that? They freak me out sometimes... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I prophisize that if you don't be a jackass you will get banned less

    <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> "OOOoooOOooOOoooo"
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