Actually there isn't even such a thing a good and evil it's a perception of chi. Much like time is a perception of change but doesn't actually exist.
The follow can be said about good and evil: evil is often beautiful being willfully ignorant has evil in it nothing is "good" completely, just as nothing is "perfect" completely nature could careless about good and evil A chaotic world is fun and alive, a completely perfect world is hell With out evil there is no good, and vise versa (called yin yang theory)
ok granted i only understood half of what u said agentx5... but how can u say time doesn't exist!??! thats nonsense of course time exist's scientists belive that TIME is the <i>fourth dimension</i> but along the same lines here is a question one thats been bugging me, i'll explain it best i can ok
<b>Do ashes age??</b>
and this is my theory:
when people are alive they age right, and wen they die obviously there not lving so they cant age, and inanimate objects "apparently" dont age either SO... how come u get buildings which get certificates for being historical and standing for 100's of years, because if inanimate objects dont age then the building is about 1 day old... so back to the ashes, wereas techniqually they dont age.. they do get older
ok tell me what u think, and if what i said made any sense
If aging generally means change on chemical basis then: Yes ashes ages due to the fact that there is always a chemical reaction with the enviroment. (Though sometimes its so slow that 1000 human lifes wouldnt be enough to notice any change at all)
Time exists on a linar dimentional plane the same as all the dimentions of space, time very much exists as it is an alterable variable in the way the universe runs. What agent is trying to say is that human understanding of time is not a real perception of acctual time, we only see in three dimentions, time to us is simply the observations of changes of things around us, as we can only see the present, the past and future are simply concepts of the mind.
oh ok cheers swiftspear that made what agent said a lot clearer.... i suppose it does but even if we were born in 4 dimensions, what would that be like as well u have 3 dimensions, for length width and deepth, if 4th is time and your born with it then would that give u the ability to change time?? rewind it slow it down speed it up etc, or is that just my creative mind on overdrive?
<!--QuoteBegin-Ice-Phoenix+Sep 24 2004, 03:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ice-Phoenix @ Sep 24 2004, 03:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> oh ok cheers swiftspear that made what agent said a lot clearer.... i suppose it does but even if we were born in 4 dimensions, what would that be like as well u have 3 dimensions, for length width and deepth, if 4th is time and your born with it then would that give u the ability to change time?? rewind it slow it down speed it up etc, or is that just my creative mind on overdrive? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Do you have the ability to stretch physical space? the ability to expand the area of a molecule, put more distance between the earth and sun? We don't control 3 dimentions inately, we can just logically see three inately. Through works of science we have extreamly limited control over the nature of the three dimentions that we can see, but we still don't manipulate them at will. That being said, we do have a limited understanding of time, we relate locations in three dimetional time to positional areas, but we really don't see time the same way we see space. Sure we can conceive various thing in differnet places in space at different times, but if you were going to graph what it looks like mathimatically, could you? Theoretically if we could see time the same way we could see space we would be able to perceptionally pause, rewind and fast forward time, but we wouldn't really be altering time, we would just be looking at it from a different prespective. To be honest, I have no idea what a being that perceives four dimentions rather than 3 would look like. I find it hard enough as it is to imagine a being that any percives 2 dimentions, but I myself can picture what 2 dimentions looks like...
FYI, we ARE born in 4 dimentions, we exist in a world that is governed, for the most part, by four dimentional laws, we just don't percive the fourth dimention very well <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->. I once heard reasoning that human beings see in 3 dimentions becuase natural selection would have dictated that a being that percives 3 dimentions has all the tools it needs to survive. You only need to see a lion coming at you, and know how far away it is, you don't need to know its position in the timeline in comparison to your own... In a way that makes sense, except that even if it were true, I can't think of any occuring incidents of beings that percieve any other dimetional realities asside from 3 dimentions, so I really don't see how you can compare the seletive likelyness for a random occurance to breed one of these things when there is no precident for that even being possible.
damn swiftspear, your good... i can see i wont put up a good idea here because well i aint no were as near as your intelligence, were did u learn that kind of thing??
anyway, i suppose your right u do not need 4 dimensions to live as like u said with the lion thing, its just basically not needed so going from what you said.. even though we are all born in 4 dimensions, most people just say 3 so going with that 3.. if someone was born in 4 dimensions (or 5) for example then as time is the 4th dimension i would expect that they themselves look 3-d like evryone else and that being born in the 4th dimension all gives them more intellect into "time & space theorys" as although its not visable he is a 4th dimension human and may fromhis perspect see things differently but yes your absolutley right, 4th dimension is not needed
and i think i just got lost in my own explaination, i dont think it makes much sense <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
This isn't philosophy. It's wordplay and mangling of scientific concepts. And a fair amount of manging of words, while we're at it (I don't <i>care</i> whether it's faster to type like an idiot, Ice-Phoenix, but that's what it makes you look like. This isn't IRC. Take the five minutes to write properly; you're making my eyes bleed).
Now, then.
Dimensions are simply means of measuring position. That's all. How many dimensions you measure things in depends on what you need, that's all. The whole "fourth dimension" business is a maths hack to equate distance with time, so that mathematicians and theoretical physicists can say funky tihngs about the universe. There's no "being born in four dimensions" or "being able to see in four dimensions".
If I pick up a pen from a table and then put it back <i>exactly</i> as it was on the table, if I'm measuring the world in three dimensions I'd say that the pen is at exactly the same location as it was before. If I'm measuring the world in four dimensions with time as the fourth, I'd say that the pen is <i>not</i> in exactly the same location, since it isn't at the same point in time as it was before.
Of course, I couldn't put it back exactly where it was in four dimensions, since it's already there. Wrap your head around <i>that</i> one, if you can. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This isn't philosophy. It's wordplay and mangling of scientific concepts. And a fair amount of manging of words, while we're at it (I don't care whether it's faster to type like an idiot, Ice-Phoenix, but that's what it makes you look like. This isn't IRC. Take the five minutes to write properly; you're making my eyes bleed).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i have been writing better thanks very much, and i finished that whole nonsense about my writing as its got nothing to do with the topic ok.. cool <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
right well what you just said is kind of confusing and well you have a point in four dimensions you cant put something back in exactly the same place in fact it would be a physical impossibility, thought u have a point you cant neccesarily be born in the fourth dimension as well its time how would you do that, easy you cant!
but also i must add if you pick up a pen and put it back down the chances are you would not be able to put it in exactly the same place fourth dimension or not, the angle might be off by about 2 degrees and its not exactly the same.. it is quite difficult to do something like that
<!--QuoteBegin-Ice-Phoenix+Sep 24 2004, 08:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ice-Phoenix @ Sep 24 2004, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> thought u have a point you cant neccesarily be born in the fourth dimension as well its time how would you do that, easy you cant! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nonono... that's not what I meant...
Thing aren't "in" or "not in" the fourth dimension. You can't be "born in" any kind of dimension; that goes for the first three as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but also i must add if you pick up a pen and put it back down the chances are you would not be able to put it in exactly the same place fourth dimension or not, the angle might be off by about 2 degrees and its not exactly the same.. it is quite difficult to do something like that<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Excellent observation (one which leads into a whole other discussion about chaos theory, which is kinda fun. If you're into that sort of thing.)
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Actually there isn't even such a thing a good and evil it's a perception of chi. Much like time is a perception of change but doesn't actually exist.
The follow can be said about good and evil:
evil is often beautiful
being willfully ignorant has evil in it
nothing is "good" completely, just as nothing is "perfect" completely
nature could careless about good and evil
A chaotic world is fun and alive, a completely perfect world is hell
With out evil there is no good, and vise versa (called yin yang theory)
scientists belive that TIME is the <i>fourth dimension</i>
but along the same lines here is a question one thats been bugging me, i'll explain it best i can ok
<b>Do ashes age??</b>
and this is my theory:
when people are alive they age right, and wen they die obviously there not lving so they cant age, and inanimate objects "apparently" dont age either SO... how come u get buildings which get certificates for being historical and standing for 100's of years, because if inanimate objects dont age then the building is about 1 day old... so back to the ashes, wereas techniqually they dont age.. they do get older
ok tell me what u think, and if what i said made any sense
Do you have the ability to stretch physical space? the ability to expand the area of a molecule, put more distance between the earth and sun? We don't control 3 dimentions inately, we can just logically see three inately. Through works of science we have extreamly limited control over the nature of the three dimentions that we can see, but we still don't manipulate them at will. That being said, we do have a limited understanding of time, we relate locations in three dimetional time to positional areas, but we really don't see time the same way we see space. Sure we can conceive various thing in differnet places in space at different times, but if you were going to graph what it looks like mathimatically, could you? Theoretically if we could see time the same way we could see space we would be able to perceptionally pause, rewind and fast forward time, but we wouldn't really be altering time, we would just be looking at it from a different prespective. To be honest, I have no idea what a being that perceives four dimentions rather than 3 would look like. I find it hard enough as it is to imagine a being that any percives 2 dimentions, but I myself can picture what 2 dimentions looks like...
FYI, we ARE born in 4 dimentions, we exist in a world that is governed, for the most part, by four dimentional laws, we just don't percive the fourth dimention very well <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->. I once heard reasoning that human beings see in 3 dimentions becuase natural selection would have dictated that a being that percives 3 dimentions has all the tools it needs to survive. You only need to see a lion coming at you, and know how far away it is, you don't need to know its position in the timeline in comparison to your own... In a way that makes sense, except that even if it were true, I can't think of any occuring incidents of beings that percieve any other dimetional realities asside from 3 dimentions, so I really don't see how you can compare the seletive likelyness for a random occurance to breed one of these things when there is no precident for that even being possible.
anyway, i suppose your right u do not need 4 dimensions to live as like u said with the lion thing, its just basically not needed so going from what you said.. even though we are all born in 4 dimensions, most people just say 3 so going with that 3.. if someone was born in 4 dimensions (or 5) for example then as time is the 4th dimension i would expect that they themselves look 3-d like evryone else and that being born in the 4th dimension all gives them more intellect into "time & space theorys" as although its not visable he is a 4th dimension human and may fromhis perspect see things differently but yes your absolutley right, 4th dimension is not needed
and i think i just got lost in my own explaination, i dont think it makes much sense <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now, then.
Dimensions are simply means of measuring position. That's all. How many dimensions you measure things in depends on what you need, that's all. The whole "fourth dimension" business is a maths hack to equate distance with time, so that mathematicians and theoretical physicists can say funky tihngs about the universe. There's no "being born in four dimensions" or "being able to see in four dimensions".
If I pick up a pen from a table and then put it back <i>exactly</i> as it was on the table, if I'm measuring the world in three dimensions I'd say that the pen is at exactly the same location as it was before. If I'm measuring the world in four dimensions with time as the fourth, I'd say that the pen is <i>not</i> in exactly the same location, since it isn't at the same point in time as it was before.
Of course, I couldn't put it back exactly where it was in four dimensions, since it's already there. Wrap your head around <i>that</i> one, if you can. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i have been writing better thanks very much, and i finished that whole nonsense about my writing as its got nothing to do with the topic ok.. cool <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
right well what you just said is kind of confusing and well you have a point in four dimensions you cant put something back in exactly the same place in fact it would be a physical impossibility, thought u have a point you cant neccesarily be born in the fourth dimension as well its time how would you do that, easy you cant!
but also i must add if you pick up a pen and put it back down the chances are you would not be able to put it in exactly the same place fourth dimension or not, the angle might be off by about 2 degrees and its not exactly the same.. it is quite difficult to do something like that
Nonono... that's not what I meant...
Thing aren't "in" or "not in" the fourth dimension. You can't be "born in" any kind of dimension; that goes for the first three as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but also i must add if you pick up a pen and put it back down the chances are you would not be able to put it in exactly the same place fourth dimension or not, the angle might be off by about 2 degrees and its not exactly the same.. it is quite difficult to do something like that<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Excellent observation (one which leads into a whole other discussion about chaos theory, which is kinda fun. If you're into that sort of thing.)