Cannabis

ToneeTonee Wub wuBUKMembers, Constellation Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21926Posts: 656 Fully active user
edited September 2004 in Discussions
Just want to know about your thoughts on the BAN of cannabis...

why should we (humans) ban growing a PLANT.. i mean come on we don't go around banning tulips... do we? I know, i suppose there are main uses for it but I aint going to talk about it and get this thread instantly locked. This plant - when looked at is a very depply is a GOOD resource - why does none of the governments see that - are they too greedy for trees etc?, I don't think i have to run through of the pros of the plant - mostly people know about them now.

But why is it still banned? It should have every right to grow as any other plant, yes we humans exploit the fact that it gives us a high experience, but that shouldn't stop it from growing - and I am not going to comment on that because of reasons i don't need to discuss in here (primarliy because it will get this thread locked) but we should not be stopping it from growing (I know some countries don't) but this is the way things get extinct, not that i personally think cannabis will ever be extinct...

EDIT: with recent debate over irc i have been told to compare it with mushrooms rather than tulips - as fresh shrooms are legal and give you a kinda of high effect, depend ing on how muc you take = what effect you ave to it, I persoally hate shrooms they are the scariest thing ever 9when fresh, not tried the dried)
-Anth
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  • illuminexilluminex Members, Constellation Join Date: 2004-03-13 Member: 27317Posts: 784
    I just read a very conservative writer's opinion in the front page article of a recent issue of National Review. Basically, legalize cannabis. It's an odd change, but well over 70 % of America favors the de-criminalization of marijuana.
  • Rapier7Rapier7 Members Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26108Posts: 1,215 Fully active user
    I'm a liberal, but even then, I staunchly oppose legalizing marijuana.

    I like listening to Sean Hannity's man on the street segment. (Yes, I know he's fascistly right wing)

    "Do you know who our secretary of state is?"

    " *giggles* No"

    "Not really."

    "Does John Ashcroft mean anything to you?"

    "Uh...not really, no."

    "Are you in favor of legalizing marijuana?"

    "Yes."

    The fact is, these people are stupid. They care more about legalizing a drug than our current state of affairs both domestically and internationally.

    Legalizing a drug that DOES have harmful effects (and when you legalize it, I expect that many people will try it at least once). It's the same thing with alcohol, except it can also hurt those around you (by the smoke).

    Look, why do they want to legalize it? So they can smoke and abuse it without legal consequences. Governments are here to provide order and make sure the mob doesn't kill itself. If everybody was smart, there would be no need of governments, but most people are stupid. 90% of the people on this forum is stupid. And this is why we have the government regulating practices, and that's why I am against the legalization of marijuana for free use, but not necessarily for medicinal use.
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  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Members Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Posts: 2,227
    QUOTE (Rapier7 @ Sep 18 2004, 07:11 PM)
    Look, why do they want to legalize it?

    why do you want it illegal?

    I will not accept your.... "reason"... which says basicly that 90% of america is retarded.

    QUOTE
    Legalizing a drug that DOES have harmful effects (and when you legalize it, I expect that many people will try it at least once). It's the same thing with alcohol, except it can also hurt those around you (by the smoke).


    I wonder if you know that tobacco is legal...
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  • Rapier7Rapier7 Members Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26108Posts: 1,215 Fully active user
    And I'm against tobacco as well.

    If I could do it, it'd be illegal. But so many people are already hooked on it, so it'd be pretty counter-productive.
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    QUOTE (Rapier7 @ Sep 18 2004, 07:11 PM)
    The fact is, these people are stupid. They care more about legalizing a drug than our current state of affairs both domestically and internationally.

    The legal status of marijuana affects a lot of people more than any other domestic or international affair.
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Members Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Posts: 2,075 Advanced user
    edited September 2004
    Benefits would include:
    Safety regulations
    Taxes
    Better trade relations
    Extra "uses" for cannabis plant
    Medical benefits (tumors)
    No crimes committed for weed (not sure I believe this)

    Minuses include:
    Law suits against government
    Resources to enforce safety regulations
    "Encouragement" factor
    Harmful effects

    Am I missing anything? Let me know, and I'll add it to the list (via edit).

    *EDIT* More added */EDIT*
    Post edited by Unknown User on
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  • WindelkronWindelkron Members Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Posts: 3,975
    QUOTE (Rapier7 @ Sep 19 2004, 12:11 AM)
    Legalizing a drug that DOES have harmful effects (and when you legalize it, I expect that many people will try it at least once). It's the same thing with alcohol, except it can also hurt those around you (by the smoke).

    really?
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  • camO_ocamO_o Members Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28028Posts: 742
    edited September 2004
    QUOTE (illuminex @ Sep 18 2004, 06:49 PM)
    I just read a very conservative writer's opinion in the front page article of a recent issue of National Review. Basically, legalize cannabis. It's an odd change, but well over 70 % of America favors the de-criminalization of marijuana.

    And 53.2% of statistics are made up on the spot. I don't disbelieve you outright, but I would like to see a link to a credible poll that supports this fact. Believe it or not, "most" people don't do drugs, and don't enjoy messing up their heads.

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    Look, why do they want to legalize it? So they can smoke and abuse it without legal consequences. Governments are here to provide order and make sure the mob doesn't kill itself. If everybody was smart, there would be no need of governments, but most people are stupid. 90% of the people on this forum is stupid. And this is why we have the government regulating practices, and that's why I am against the legalization of marijuana for free use, but not necessarily for medicinal use.

    Rapier summed up the liberal side of the argument up pretty well.

    Trev, comparing Tobacco with Marijuana is a baseless and fairly insignificant argument. Tobacco was discovered some 300 years ago, when John Rolfe first perfected the process of curing the plant and began distributing it en masse. At the time, no one was aware of the negative effects of breathing tar and cancerogens into your body, nor were people aware of the fact, when alcohol was first discovered that it would become the leading cause of death among youths in most developed countries.

    The typical argument among people who support the complete legalization of Marijuana is the same as trev's, that because tobacco is legal, marijuana should be as well. The reason (and only reason) for tobacco being a legal substance is stated above, and because by now, it's become so accepted it would be practically impossible to phase out. It seems that most people who supports Marijuana never consider the kids. With commercialization comes supply, and with supply comes lower costs and easier access. At my old school, kids used to buy their smokes from a gas station, whose attendant usually played dumb (despite the "We Card" sign on the door). Imagine if they could do the same with marijuana. Kids need their brain cells when they're in their teens, and most of these "MARIJUANA FOR DA SPIRIT" nutjobs don't have too many left, anyways.

    However, I am a support of the legalization of marijuana for medical purposes. If painkillers and other addictive medicines can be used with prescription, why not marijuana? The argument seems simple, but the problems regarding medical marijuana generally arise from the problem of "medical growers" seeking an extra handful by selling their crops illegally. The number of patients who depend on legal marijuana aren't particularily high, but each case is exaggerated to the point that a 4 year old with leukemia looks in good health by comparison. With these facts in mind, I would support the legalization of medical Marijuana, but only if they're grown under WELL MONITORED circumstances, preferably by the medical establishment that needs them (which can also provide supply for nearby hospitals).

    http://www.marijuana.com/
    http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/Marijteens.html

    EDIT: ok, see how right I was? I've highlighted the most important part of this argument, since no one seems to give a **** about anything but getting a high.
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  • camO_ocamO_o Members Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28028Posts: 742
    QUOTE
    Safety regulations

    Making something legal and commercialized, whereby it would be protrayed as the coming of Jesus in a joint by the companies, makes it safer then when it was illegal?

    Calm down cam, logic doesn't come easy to everyone...
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  • Marine0IMarine0I Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Posts: 1,870
    The human race has far to many things it uses to screw itself up. We have alcohol, poker machines, cigarettes, two of which, in these enlightened times, we are moving towards ending. Why add a fourth?

    I have friends who have screwed themselves up on the pot - why the hell would I want to encourage that? I dont care if you like it, I dont care if its fun, and I dont care if it doesnt hurt you specifically. Enough people (a lot actually, but thats just my experience) ruin themselves on it for me to consider it bad.
  • reasareasa Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Posts: 2,367
    edited September 2004
    QUOTE (Rapier7 @ Sep 18 2004, 07:11 PM)
    but most people are stupid. 90% of the people on this forum is stupid.

    Irony sensors overloading....

    My feelings about Marijuana legalization are strangely similar to my feelings on the Mexican border so it's interesting that this topic came up.

    If the government can't do it right, why do it at all. The ugly truth is it is easier to get weed in America then it is alcohol. In my town it is no small secret that you can literally have weed delivered to your house by dealers like pizza. Our police force is too small to put a stop to most drug trafficking.

    The government needs to drastically beef up its "war on drugs" and increase police funding, make sure every town has a narcotics unit, and increase the penalties for drug possession and use. If you are caught selling drugs, then you get life in prison. A serious crackdown like this or worse is what it would take to put even the smallest dent in the drug world.

    Or of course the other choice is to legalize it.

    I'm sick of the government half-assing things, pick ether black or white and stick with it, there are far too many gray areas in America and this is one of the bigger ones.

    Unlike the Mexican border however I prefer the less militant of the choices, because lets face it, numero uno is not going to happen.
  • taboofirestaboofires Members Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Posts: 2,246 Advanced user
    1) It is insulting to assume that a citizen cannot make an informed decision about marijuana or any other drug. Unless of you course you hide pertinent information, but that's a different issue. We do not all need to be treated like children.

    2) Regulation allows some harmful possibilities to be reduced or eliminated. If I purchased my happy drugs at a local, reputable pharmacy, I would not reasonably need to fear being shot at some point during the purchase, having the drugs spiked with something that I do not wish to consume, etc. The black market, on the other hand, will do whatever is profitable and you can't do squat to prevent it (the same with preventing the sale in the first place, which hasn't and isn't going to happen).

    3) If you are concerned about a possible or even likely side effect of a drug, such as driving while intoxicated or second hand smoke, then ban DWI and smoking in public. Throwing the baby out with the bath water, as they say.

    I can keep going if you like.

    Information and money will always will always trump law. Our best best at maximizing responsible decisions is to give people everything they need to do so, and to eliminate some of the incentive to cause trouble (money).
  • EEKEEK Banned Join Date: 2004-02-25 Member: 26898Posts: 1,341
    QUOTE (Wangler @ Sep 18 2004, 06:22 PM)
    Just want to know about your thoughts on the BAN of cannabis...

    why should we (humans) ban growing a PLANT.. i mean come on we don't go around banning tulips... do we?

    We ban refining cacao leaves into a fine white powder. All natural, technically.
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    It hurts me, deep down, on a whole other level of conciousness to do this, but I agree absolutely with EEK.
  • ToneeTonee Wub wuB UKMembers, Constellation Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21926Posts: 656 Fully active user
    edited September 2004
    QUOTE
    Benefits would include:
    Safety regulations
    Taxes
    Better trade relations

    Minuses include:
    Law suits against government
    Resources to enforce safety regulations
    "Encouragement" factor


    Pluses+

    The male plants can be turned into hash, which i bvelieve is serveral times stronger than rope, it can also be used for clothing and paper (no more tree cutting)

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    Spanish researchers have found that cannabinoids slowed the growth of lethal brain tumours in rats, and in a third of cases eradicated the tumour completely.
    Source http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s104234.htm

    Will stop people commiting crimes to get money for their drugs

    Will stop people on the streets selling it, apart froma few I guess

    Minuses-

    if used in conjuction with tobbaco (joint) then there is the "harmful" effects to the user - which are produced by the tobbaco

    (All i can think of a minus) The advantages over weigh the disadvantages by far

    Some facts (and extrapolations):

    * Marijuana does not induce paranoia if 'clean' (aka: not cut with other drugs)
    * Marijuana induces a state of well-being and lethargy
    * Marijuana does induce hunger reflexes in many
    * Roughly one out of every three thousand have the chemical receptors placed incorrectly, making them quick to anger after smoking
    * There are NO FDA-approved mood-enhancers available to the general market, without prescription

    http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...590&hl=cannabis lots of advantages n disadvantges in there
    -Anth
  • Marine0IMarine0I Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Posts: 1,870
    QUOTE (Wangler @ Sep 19 2004, 10:05 PM)
    Will stop people commiting crimes to get money for their drugs

    Will stop people on the streets selling it, apart froma few I guess

    To quote the Singaporean's - HELL YES!

    To say people only care about money neglects to mention that without their lives, said money becomes worthless. Execution for drug dealers, draconian laws on the users, plus a small Island all add to zero drug problem.
  • EEKEEK Banned Join Date: 2004-02-25 Member: 26898Posts: 1,341
    What was that I heard about marijuana being banned because some big-business paper-mill owner knew hemp would cut into his profits so he pressured the courts to ban it?
    QUOTE (Marine01)
    It hurts me, deep down, on a whole other level of conciousness to do this, but I agree absolutely with EEK.
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Members Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Posts: 2,075 Advanced user
    QUOTE
    Benefits would include:
    Safety regulations
    Taxes
    Better trade relations
    Extra "uses" for cannabis plant
    Medical benefits (tumors)
    No crimes committed for weed (not sure I believe this)

    Minuses include:
    Law suits against government
    Resources to enforce safety regulations
    "Encouragement" factor
    Harmful effects

    Am I missing anything?  Let me know, and I'll add it to the list (via edit).

    *EDIT*  More added */EDIT*
    QUOTE ([email protected])
    Nothing says theft deterrent like a dog running up and down the yard with a spine flopping in his jaws.
  • Rapier7Rapier7 Members Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26108Posts: 1,215 Fully active user
    Hundreds of millions are spent on health care because we have people who smoke too much tobacco.

    Look, it's not that hard guys:

    Even if the government is doing a poor job to stem the flow of drugs and accessability within this country, it's better than opening our doors and giving them a pat on the back to get in.

    If we do legalize, we have yet another deadly substance that will create yet another drain on our economy. We'll see drug use go up dramatically.

    Look, if we legalize the drug now, the generation that will grow up later will have a significant portion of burnouts, dropouts, potheads, and morons who will leech off government services while contributing nothing to society whatsoever. We already have a minority who do, why increase that number?

    Hey, you want me to tell you guys a story?

    Once upon a time, it involved the introduction of the opium plant into China, as British merchants were tired of trading Chinese goods for silver (they were still going on the mercantilist system). So they found opium as an acceptable substitute.

    It caught on like wildfire, even a sizeable minority within the government were found using it. At first, the government tried to ban it, it didn't work.

    Then there was a massive debate on whether to legalize the drug, and try to control and regulate the opium trade, or to forbid it outright and hope for the best.

    Legalizing didn't solve anything. It created a drain on the imperial treasury. Doped up bureaucrats were using the silver reserve to buy more opium, opium dens were proliferating in the cities, the general quality of life went down in all areas.

    Please, let's not make the same mistakes twice.
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  • JamilJamil Members Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4829Posts: 808
    I'm all for legalizing, but regulating marijuana to keep it out of reach of minors. A lot of money is wasted annually on combatting drugs, and if society is so upside down that it needs mood altering drugs, fine. I just hope they don't do it around me, because the stuff smells like a horse's behind.
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Members Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Posts: 3,104 Advanced user
    Marijuane is not as bad as opium I think.. smile-fix.gif
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  • HandmanHandman Members Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15224Posts: 277
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    1) It is insulting to assume that a citizen cannot make an informed decision about marijuana or any other drug. Unless of you course you hide pertinent information, but that's a different issue. We do not all need to be treated like children


    You can still make an informed decision. Is the risk of jail time worth the high and loss of brain cells?

    As for legalization, Im not completely sure where a stand. There is too much to consider, when ever I think I have it down there is some thing else that comes up. As of right now, Im leaning towards an eventual legalization. If they do move to legalize it, the government must first come up with a proven way to test whether someone is under the influece or not. This will help deter smoking and driving. The government should tax it to hell and use the money for a revamped DARE program and to improve education. Again, legalization need to be done over a period of time; to do it right away would be only result in bad things happening.
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  • ToneeTonee Wub wuB UKMembers, Constellation Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21926Posts: 656 Fully active user
    QUOTE (Hawkeye @ Sep 19 2004, 03:11 PM)
    QUOTE
    Benefits would include:
    Safety regulations
    Taxes
    Better trade relations
    Extra "uses" for cannabis plant
    Medical benefits (tumors)
    No crimes committed for weed (not sure I believe this)

    Minuses include:
    Law suits against government
    Resources to enforce safety regulations
    "Encouragement" factor
    Harmful effects

    Am I missing anything?  Let me know, and I'll add it to the list (via edit).

    *EDIT*  More added */EDIT*

    there are no harmful effects - unless you want to state that "with conjunction of tobacco and/or other drugs"
    -Anth
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Members Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Posts: 2,075 Advanced user
    Well you'd be naive if you think that you could legalizing marijuana and keep it from minors. If you believe that, then you must believe minors don't smoke either.

    Can't have your cake and eat it too.
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  • Bo_SelectaBo_Selecta Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9374Posts: 358
    "must first come up with a proven way to test whether someone is under the influece or not"
    They already have tests for that...

    And btw, it IS legal over here.. (hehehe) and there aren't any negative side-effects, really
    Minors don't tend to smoke it, and because it's no longer illegal it's also not as appealing anymore (well _some_ minors do, of course, but it's not really a widespread 'problem' or anything)
    Legalisation also prevents criminal elements.

    As for me? welll... ~~===== _\|/_

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  • Evil_bOb1Evil_bOb1 Members, Squad Five Blue Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 938Posts: 915
    This is quite quite a difficult subject as everyone is entirely biased. Either you don't smoke cannabis and see it as a vile substance that destroys your life. Either you do smoke it and well its legalisation would take a little stress off you wink-fix.gif .

    As any "pleasure" substance one needs to be careful. Abusing of anything is dangerous. In some ways cannabis aint no more dangerous than video games. Some kids just spend all their time playing video games instead of studying!! internet what a waste of time !! Ban it all i say!!!

    The reason why cannabis is illigal and video games aren't is just a cultural thing.

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    EEKWhat was that I heard about marijuana being banned because some big-business paper-mill owner knew hemp would cut into his profits so he pressured the courts to ban it?


    Its a bit more complicated than this but its the idea. The process of banning hemp was set up by the major textile/paper lobbies in the 1900s. It was never banned because of its effects on mankind, but because of its many usages as quality raw materials.

    I say legalise cannabis. Moderatly used its not harmfull. Whats going to stop people from abusing of it your going to ask me? Well the same thing that stops the entire humankind from being tobacco smokers or alcoholics. Like in Holland, i think it should be sold only in small quantities. And you should be limited in the quantity you possess.

    You cannot stop it's usage. Its like the alcohol prohibition in the united states. Was that of any use? You will never be able to stop cultural traditions. And even if the cannabis culture is a minority, its always going to exist.

    We are told that we live in societies of liberty. And we are also told that cannabis is dangerous. We live in a world of lies you know...
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  • Mad_ivansMad_ivans Members Join Date: 2004-08-24 Member: 30849Posts: 114
    QUOTE (Wangler @ Sep 18 2004, 06:22 PM)
    Just want to know about your thoughts on the BAN of cannabis...

    why should we (humans) ban growing a PLANT.. i mean come on we don't go around banning tulips... do we? I know, i suppose there are main uses for it but I aint going to talk about it and get this thread instantly locked. This plant - when looked at is a very depply is a GOOD resource - why does none of the governments see that - are they too greedy for trees etc?, I don't think i have to run through of the pros of the plant - mostly people know about them now.

    But why is it still banned? It should have every right to grow as any other plant, yes we humans exploit the fact that it gives us a high experience, but that shouldn't stop it from growing - and I am not going to comment on that because of reasons i don't need to discuss in here (primarliy because it will get this thread locked) but we should not be stopping it from growing (I know some countries don't) but this is the way things get extinct, not that i personally think cannabis will ever be extinct...

    EDIT: with recent debate over irc i have been told to compare it with mushrooms rather than tulips - as fresh shrooms are legal and give you a kinda of high effect, depend ing on how muc you take = what effect you ave to it, I persoally hate shrooms they are the scariest thing ever 9when fresh, not tried the dried)


    (Merchant Banker) i am for one despise this cannabis ban it is just going to cause more illegal trading from opium produciing countries like afganistan (90% i believe)

    (Edward) my motives against ban is because i have got to keep my addiction going

    your addiction is shagging badgers in the nip

    (Edward) go an get better computer

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  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Members Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Posts: 2,227
    QUOTE (camO.o @ Sep 18 2004, 11:10 PM)
    The typical argument among people who support the complete legalization of Marijuana is the same as trev's, that because tobacco is legal, marijuana should be as well. The reason (and only reason) for tobacco being a legal substance is stated above, and because by now, it's become so accepted it would be practically impossible to phase out.

    So YOUR telling ME basicly that i am persecuted on a daily basis because my drug of choice ever so happened to not be a major import to europe during the 1800 and 1900's? [email protected]#$ING-tastic!

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    It seems that most people who supports Marijuana never consider the kids. With commercialization comes supply, and with supply comes lower costs and easier access. At my old school, kids used to buy their smokes from a gas station, whose attendant usually played dumb (despite the "We Card" sign on the door). Imagine if they could do the same with marijuana. Kids need their brain cells when they're in their teens, and most of these "MARIJUANA FOR DA SPIRIT" nutjobs don't have too many left, anyways.


    It was (and still is) easier in my town to get marijuana then alcohol. I drive an hour back there once in a while when my resources in the town i now live in dry up.

    QUOTE
    EDIT: ok, see how right I was? I've highlighted the most important part of this argument, since no one seems to give a **** about anything but getting a high.


    Your to full of yourself...






    BTW... what happened to the thread i made long ago on this topic?
    Don't Die!

    LOVE NATURAL-SELECTION HARDER!

    It seems the only way to change anything this day and age is to kill. Whatever happened to talking?

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  • camO_ocamO_o Members Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28028Posts: 742
    Denying that marijuana has no negative effects is like saying that smoking won't harm you. Smoking is the #1 "drug killer," if not the #1 killer in the world currently.
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    The current death toll attributable to tobacco-related illnesses is estimated at one in eight in the developing world, one in four in developed countries, and one in six for the world as a whole.

    The reason marijuana isn't responsible for this same death toll is because it's illegal, heavily looked down upon in society, and there are efforts to keep it out of the system. Because the plant was banned for trade purposes does not justify legalizing the Marijuana now that we are more then aware of its negative effects.

    http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports/ma...Marijuana3.html
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    Studies show that approximately 6 to 11 percent of fatal accident victims test positive for THC.

    QUOTE
    Cancer of the respiratory tract and lungs may also be promoted by marijuana smoke.4 A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced strong evidence that smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck, and that the more marijuana smoked, the greater the increase.18 A statistical analysis of the data suggested that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers.

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    As people age, they normally lose neurons in the hippocampus, which decreases their ability to remember events. Chronic THC exposure may hasten the age-related loss of hippocampal neurons. In one series of studies, rats exposed to THC every day for 8 months (approximately 30 percent of their lifespan), when examined at 11 to 12 months of age, showed nerve cell loss equivalent to that of unexposed animals twice their age.66, 67, 68


    As far as I can see, most of you are completely misinformed about the negative effects of Cannabis, and are latching on to the "no negative effects" bandwagon without researching the fact. Unlike smoking, whose main effects are located in the lung, Marijuana does permant and irreversible damage to the brain, hindering the ability to learn and memorize material. Just as a bonus, it also happens to have the same cancerous effects as smoking. How's that for perfectly safe?

    Second, where does everyone keep pulling this regulation and less crime bs from? Instead of the dealers making big bucks, some commercial form of the big marijuana cartels are going to instead. Instead of dealers killing each other over marijuana, they'll kill each other over XTC, cocaine, heroin and WTH have these people not come up with? Are you guys really naive enough to believe that legalization of a drug will make it easier to control?

    Marijuana is a drug, it being a "safer" or more pleasant drug doesn't make it less of a dangerous drug. It kills brain cells and makes you a lot more stupid. As if teens smoking their butt off with tobacco isn't bad enough, there are people who think Marijuana is a better alternative. This is why I love the internet.
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    wach this vid and and telll me wa u think happen. this wil realy make u think....WERE DID THE PLANE GO??????? WAHT REALY HIT THE PINT?????
    >>>>>>>WHAT WAS IT?? <<<<<<<<
  • camO_ocamO_o Members Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28028Posts: 742
    QUOTE (Trevelyan @ Sep 19 2004, 01:41 PM)
    QUOTE (camO.o @ Sep 18 2004, 11:10 PM)
    The typical argument among people who support the complete legalization of Marijuana is the same as trev's, that because tobacco is legal, marijuana should be as well. The reason (and only reason) for tobacco being a legal substance is stated above, and because by now, it's become so accepted it would be practically impossible to phase out.

    So YOUR telling ME basicly that i am persecuted on a daily basis because my drug of choice ever so happened to not be a major import to europe during the 1800 and 1900's? [email protected]#$ING-tastic!

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    It seems that most people who supports Marijuana never consider the kids. With commercialization comes supply, and with supply comes lower costs and easier access. At my old school, kids used to buy their smokes from a gas station, whose attendant usually played dumb (despite the "We Card" sign on the door). Imagine if they could do the same with marijuana. Kids need their brain cells when they're in their teens, and most of these "MARIJUANA FOR DA SPIRIT" nutjobs don't have too many left, anyways.


    It was (and still is) easier in my town to get marijuana then alcohol. I drive an hour back there once in a while when my resources in the town i now live in dry up.

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    EDIT: ok, see how right I was? I've highlighted the most important part of this argument, since no one seems to give a **** about anything but getting a high.


    Your to full of yourself...






    BTW... what happened to the thread i made long ago on this topic?

    WTH are you trying to argue here? did you have a point, or is your idea of debate to quote everything i say, add the f word in there, call me selfish, and declare yourself immune to arguments made by people who disagree with you? please, read the Rules of Discussion on the top of this forum.
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    wach this vid and and telll me wa u think happen. this wil realy make u think....WERE DID THE PLANE GO??????? WAHT REALY HIT THE PINT?????
    >>>>>>>WHAT WAS IT?? <<<<<<<<
  • HandmanHandman Members Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15224Posts: 277
    Well said Camo.o,

    Its sad that such myths about the harmlessness of marijuana are accepted by some many so easily. The same thing is starting to happen to XTC, rumors are going around that it is harmless. Yes in the short term smoking pot does not seem to effect you at all, but over time those brain cells add up. Your brain does not create any new brain cells, so what you carelessly waste getting high is gone forever. Take it from me, I know plenty of pot heads in their late 20s and they cant remember crap.
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