True Story?
DarkATi
Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
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OK, so diclaimer; this story has been circulating for years with varying details but here it is. No one can say if it's true or not... you decide.
Some time ago a man got trapped in a boxcar. He worked in a boxcar and didn't realize that somebody, the other workman, was coming by. As he worked inside the boxcar, another workman came by and - not realizing this gentleman was inside - rolled the door, shut it, latched and locked from the outside. The man on the inside knew about boxcars - he worked on them all the time. He knew that this door was locked now until the next day when the workman comes to open it and load the car for shipment. He also knew that if nobody came before tomorrow to open up to get him out of there, he would be dead before the next day when it would ordinarily be open. The reason he would be dead is because that was a refrigerator boxcar, and on the top of the boxcar was a refrigeration unit blowing cold air into that thing.
Now it is sealed, is closed. The temperature started to lower and before anybody would come he's convinced he would be dead. He panicked, as many of us would if we believed we are now trapped inside a boxcar that is going to kill us. He became to scream, scratch and kick the door trying to get out. He tried to get up to the ceiling trying to get that thing shat off, or some way to find the way out. There was no way out. The unit was running and the door was locked. In frustration and exhaustion he dropped to the floor of the car.
The reason we know as much as we do about the situation inside is that at this point he reached and pulled out a pen and started to write some thoughts on the floor of the boxcar. He wrote some things about family and various things I guess you and I would write if we were trapped in that situation. But throughout his writing were several key phrases. The first one was: "It's getting so cold inside." A little later on he wrote: "My hands are turning numb there is so cold." A little bit later on he wrote: "If I could just go to sleep." That's the last thing the person does before they freeze to death. And the last phrase was "These may well be my last words" - and the writing trailed of.
The next day workmen came opening up cars to inspect them for a loading that particular day. Workmen came, grabbed the lock on the outside, rolled the door back and saw the body of the dead man on the floor of that boxcar. The authorities were called, the body was taken and autopsy performed because of the strange circumstances surrounding that incident. Under autopsy every physical sign of his body said he froze to death. What he did not know however is that the refrigeration unit on top of that boxcar was broken and only the fan was blowing the air. It was not sub zero air being pumped into that car; it was outside air simply being circulated. He did not suffocate.
The temperature outside that night never dropped below fifty-five degrees Fahrenheit. He did not freeze to death - he killed himself by the power of his mind and fear.
~ DarkATi
Some time ago a man got trapped in a boxcar. He worked in a boxcar and didn't realize that somebody, the other workman, was coming by. As he worked inside the boxcar, another workman came by and - not realizing this gentleman was inside - rolled the door, shut it, latched and locked from the outside. The man on the inside knew about boxcars - he worked on them all the time. He knew that this door was locked now until the next day when the workman comes to open it and load the car for shipment. He also knew that if nobody came before tomorrow to open up to get him out of there, he would be dead before the next day when it would ordinarily be open. The reason he would be dead is because that was a refrigerator boxcar, and on the top of the boxcar was a refrigeration unit blowing cold air into that thing.
Now it is sealed, is closed. The temperature started to lower and before anybody would come he's convinced he would be dead. He panicked, as many of us would if we believed we are now trapped inside a boxcar that is going to kill us. He became to scream, scratch and kick the door trying to get out. He tried to get up to the ceiling trying to get that thing shat off, or some way to find the way out. There was no way out. The unit was running and the door was locked. In frustration and exhaustion he dropped to the floor of the car.
The reason we know as much as we do about the situation inside is that at this point he reached and pulled out a pen and started to write some thoughts on the floor of the boxcar. He wrote some things about family and various things I guess you and I would write if we were trapped in that situation. But throughout his writing were several key phrases. The first one was: "It's getting so cold inside." A little later on he wrote: "My hands are turning numb there is so cold." A little bit later on he wrote: "If I could just go to sleep." That's the last thing the person does before they freeze to death. And the last phrase was "These may well be my last words" - and the writing trailed of.
The next day workmen came opening up cars to inspect them for a loading that particular day. Workmen came, grabbed the lock on the outside, rolled the door back and saw the body of the dead man on the floor of that boxcar. The authorities were called, the body was taken and autopsy performed because of the strange circumstances surrounding that incident. Under autopsy every physical sign of his body said he froze to death. What he did not know however is that the refrigeration unit on top of that boxcar was broken and only the fan was blowing the air. It was not sub zero air being pumped into that car; it was outside air simply being circulated. He did not suffocate.
The temperature outside that night never dropped below fifty-five degrees Fahrenheit. He did not freeze to death - he killed himself by the power of his mind and fear.
~ DarkATi
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And people dying with diseases, etc... Depending on how stubborn/determined to survive, they can sometimes slow down/halt the disease's effects. And if they give up on life, they can just die very quickly... It's odd.
It would seem that the mind has some impact on the body's survival functions.
My sister's friend's dad<i>['s cousin's mother's friend's dog's trainer]</i> had I think leukimia.. he fought it for 8 years, then finally married his wife, played piano all day happily, then next week he died. I guess it was sort of a "I've done what I wanted to do, I'm happy now" and he didn't need to hold on to life so hard.
The opposite has to be possible as well, getting worse and worse in a certain condition. However, placebo healing doesn't heal stuff like huge blood loss, AIDS, etc. I doubt in that sense that this could possibly <i>kill</i> him.
Sure, he might feel cold and dizzy or whatever, eventually pass out or something, but I seriously doubt that he would die. Even so, why would he have physical signs of being frozen to death? I'd think that that's hard to believe.
While the body can generate heat by muscular spasms, it cannot generate cold.. ness.
edit: <a href='http://www.snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/freezer.htm' target='_blank'>snopes</a>
snopes says: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Can someone think himself to death? We don't know. But we also know we've yet to find a news story about anyone whose power of thought turned him into a corpsicle.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
However, I do think it's possible.
I might take an example of REM sleep. While not directly related to the story or topic in any sense, it should have a tiny bit of relevance.
REM sleep is the time period of sleep where your body can be greatly influenced by outside sources, as well as dreaming. If anyone remembers waking up from a dream, you should remember something happening, like answering a phone or being pokes with a spoon, or something like that.
I don't see how the converse can't occur.
But like the Snopes article, we don't know for sure. I could try and think that my heart's stopped and die tomorrow, or something, but we really won't know for sure until it's proven.
<a href='http://www.snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/freezer.htm' target='_blank'>snopes</a> says no.
think about it, before you die from any of these things (hypothermia, asphixiation etc) you will pass out, at wich point you will morethen likely come back to life.
<a href='http://www.snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/freezer.htm' target='_blank'>snopes</a> says no.
think about it, before you die from any of these things (hypothermia, asphixiation etc) you will pass out, at wich point you will morethen likely come back to life. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where did snopes say no? He left it open I thought.
~ DarkATi
lol they were on the Discovery channel.
A group of scientists and a camera crew went up with them. They were all freezing while they took readings with thermal imagers etc and the monks had steam coming off them lol.
That ones real not a myth.
Just like how shaolin monks can do stuff like bend spear points around their necks, or meditate so hard that a sword will not puncture their chest when you try to poke them with it.
thus, there is nothing specificly saying "here is where the legend came from"
there is no proof whatsoever that is actualy happened
A group of scientists and a camera crew went up with them. They were all freezing while they took readings with thermal imagers etc and the monks had steam coming off them lol.
That ones real not a myth.
Just like how shaolin monks can do stuff like bend spear points around their necks, or meditate so hard that a sword will not puncture their chest when you try to poke them with it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I remember watching that a while ago. Crazy ****, man.
As for this whole situation, I spose it's possible. Kind of a reverse placebo effect.
What if I hit you with a brain?
This Chinese guy literally warmed, or rather cooked, a soaked towel simply by holding it...
Then, some years ago, I saw a Tai chi master literally turned his hand and fingers crimson red (presumably by increasing the flow of blood) in front of my eyes.
However, warming is one thing, cooling is another.
But the outside temp "that night never dropped below fifty-five degrees Fahrenheit. He did not freeze to death". You cannot get your body to cool itself down further than the surrounding temperature.
But the outside temp "that night never dropped below fifty-five degrees Fahrenheit. He did not freeze to death". You cannot get your body to cool itself down further than the surrounding temperature. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
55 degrees fahrenheit body temp = dead.
That's a good point. I mean, how much oxygen could the guy have in there, (assuming this story was real in the first place) considering that the supposed boxcar was as a normal refrigerator boxcar is supposed to be and thus was sealed. Couldn't have had enough to make it through much of the night for sure.
i think this is exactly what would happen. its not possible for a person to die from holding their breath because they will pass out at which time, they would begin to breath. its impossible to hold you breath while unconcious and it would seem to be the same for something like believing that you are freezing to death.
But the outside temp "that night never dropped below fifty-five degrees Fahrenheit. He did not freeze to death". You cannot get your body to cool itself down further than the surrounding temperature. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
55 degrees fahrenheit body temp = dead. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, in that case yes ok. I'm noob with imperial.
What kind of refrigerator is that, a normal heat pump one would pump the heat out the back making it warmer, if anything.
Remember that the human body dissipates heat constantly. If you enter any place with more than an average temperature of 98.6 degrees (...I really don't think it's that specific, as your body heat fluctuates .4 degrees or so during the day...), you'll get hot very fast, because you aren't losing any heat.
So: inclosed room + 55 degrees + not naked + no air circulation = not freezing to death.
Plus, all the refridgerated boxcars I know of are usually metal, in which case: how would anyone write on it with a pen?
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