All These Posts About Scripting
crisano
Join Date: 2004-09-01 Member: 31152Members
Join Date: 2004-09-01 Member: 31152Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Make the bad man stop</div> I don't really see the reason with all these posts about scripts, how good they are, how bad they are, how good mp_blockscripts is or how bad it is. I mean we've already beaten that dead horse over and over again, now we're going back for more? There really isn't a purpose anymore because it's pretty clear that the NS Community is heavily divided on this issue. It's not like someone in this community will develop a magical silver tongue that will sway the masses into think, 'OMG how could I have not seen his point before! By the gods he's right, I totally agree and totally change what I believe in!' The only person who can change or silence this hot topic that will probably never ever go away is Flayra and until he chooses to say whether he believes scripts should not be used or that scripts are okay, the subject will remain divided. Now can we just move on and talk about other stuff instead of seeing numerous posts about scripts?
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And with the recent patch there definately IS a reason for discussion.
The recent posts about scripting are in response to the chance to the scriptblocker in B5 that blocks the alias command, which alone is widely used and generally considered innocent even amoung nearly all educated antiscripters. If you belive the change to be good, then I can say with reasonable assuradness that you ARE a newb, and have obviously not done your homework into the issue in the slightest.
Other scripting threads, like this one, are a response to the original scripting thread, and thus are pretty much as useless as this one, so please don't post in them and let them sink to the bottom of the forums.
Now that you are educated please stop complaing until we can reach a state of more equality between scripters and non scripters, as attacks to scripting while compleatly innoccent scripts are being banned are just going to look petty, and defending of scripting while _special is enabled is going to look ecessive, if not more...
I dunno... the knowledge about scripts has changed a ton even in the clan scene since I've started playing. I also know that pubbers are getting more aware about scripts (NSA learning about them/vets) and I think as more and more people learn what scripts actually can and can't do they will be more and more accepted into the community (as opposed to what it was like when I started playing, where 'script' was a TABOO word, even in clan scenes)...
LOL, I must say though, Robocop's pistol script was really badass and owned those baddies in the movie.
That would be nice Uzguz, this way maybe Zunni will investigate and get the whole story about scripting, then inform Flayra and the others, then they can assess the situation and make some sort of decision. I was hoping a post like this would lead to something like that but then again, seems like a few people detests a post like this.
Then he should get off his lazy butt and remove bunnyhopping, because the removal of the alias command did little more than screw up a bunch of peoples binds and FPS checkers. Even the removal of +wait could be acceptable, but is pushing it. The removal of alias is just unacceptable.
However, I do believe that he approaches this whole mp_blockscript addition in a totally wrong manner. Either he recieved misinformation about scripts, didn't fully understand what scripts are and do, was biased when he decided to implement this major change in the game, or something else. I think he really should've fully investigated this really large issue in NS before rushing to rash judgements that scripts are the devil.
Then he should get off his lazy butt and remove bunnyhopping, because the removal of the alias command did little more than screw up a bunch of peoples binds and FPS checkers. Even the removal of +wait could be acceptable, but is pushing it. The removal of alias is just unacceptable. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you do not know what you are talking about, why try to add useless clutter to the thread? +wait? removal of alias? FPS checkers?
That would be nice Uzguz, this way maybe Zunni will investigate and get the whole story about scripting, then inform Flayra and the others, then they can assess the situation and make some sort of decision. I was hoping a post like this would lead to something like that but then again, seems like a few people detests a post like this.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm here.. Not sure what you want me to do though?? Can someone PM me a clear, concise idea of what you want me to do?
Also if someone could answer this for me, I would be grateful.
If any of the scripts commonly used don't really change anything (skill-wise or other) why all the discussion? I mean, we fixed many other issues people weren't even aware of and no-one is talking about those changes, because they truly didn't affect anyone. If scripting is not an advantage that some people have, and some people don't, then why all the complaints?
Send that to me in PM as well, as I'm uber busy at the moment and may not get back to the thread in a couple of days.
And it doesn't matter when the blockscript was first introduced. All that matters is that there is someone who is pushing that idea forward.
and i for one, as stated before , HAVE IN FACT TAPED A +3JUMP SCRIPT TO MY BACK AND IT HELPED MY BHOP INCREASE GREATLY, this PROVES that +3jump scripts are imbalanced in this game if it actually helped me in real life
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Then he should get off his lazy butt and remove bunnyhopping, because the removal of the alias command did little more than screw up a bunch of peoples binds and FPS checkers. Even the removal of +wait could be acceptable, but is pushing it. The removal of alias is just unacceptable. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you do not know what you are talking about, why try to add useless clutter to the thread? +wait? removal of alias? FPS checkers? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Referancing:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ANOUNCEMENT:
The recent posts about scripting are in response to the chance to the scriptblocker in B5 that blocks the alias command, which alone is widely used and generally considered innocent even amoung nearly all educated antiscripters. If you belive the change to be good, then I can say with reasonable assuradness that you ARE a newb, and have obviously not done your homework into the issue in the slightest.
Other scripting threads, like this one, are a response to the original scripting thread, and thus are pretty much as useless as this one, so please don't post in them and let them sink to the bottom of the forums.
Now that you are educated please stop complaing until we can reach a state of more equality between scripters and non scripters, as attacks to scripting while compleatly innoccent scripts are being banned are just going to look petty, and defending of scripting while _special is enabled is going to look ecessive, if not more...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which is further referancing
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79627' target='_blank'>topic 79627</a>
[edit] Ammendment: Sarisel, don't go around accusing people of not knowing what they are talking about unless you want to **** them off. Ask me for sourses, if you must, I might not like it, but I would be alot less mad about going off and finding them than I would be if you just accused me of not knowing what I am talking about.
Personally, I'm not for or against scripts, so I could care less. Play the game how you want. I don't use them because I learned how to bunny hop at a time when game scripting was practically non-existant. That's my preference. But not everyone feels the same way, and I understand that.
So just play on a server where it is accustomed to your style of play. If you use scripts, play with mp_blockscripts 0, and vice versa. The community is pretty divided on this issue, and who is right or wrong really makes no difference at this point. It's time accept mp_blockscripts and move on, because I can guarantee that all of this crying like infants won't change a thing.
Indeed that was exactly what I was trying to point out, that with all the posts that are basically:
Scripting is bad! No, scripting is good! No, you suck cuz you script!! No, you suck cuz you don't know what scripts are!!! No you suck more!!! No you suck x100!!!!!!
Those posts will increase and repeat, then the people who can change things will think, wow look at all these great posts, I'm glad I didn't take the time to read it and I'm sure this script subject are just immature posts where people try to flame and flex their e-muscles. Only way for this to change is to pass the information onto the people who CAN make the changes. Now I won't be sending a PM to Zunni because I am pretty damn sure that someone who has used scripts, understands them can explain to him a lot better how scripts aren't harmful to the game so should be left to the player's preference instead of mp_blockingittohell. One less cluttering PM in his box that he has to sort through hopefully because now with Zunni's response, I'm afraid his inbox will be exploding with messages.
Personally, I'm not for or against scripts, so I could care less. Play the game how you want. I don't use them because I learned how to bunny hop at a time when game scripting was practically non-existant. That's my preference. But not everyone feels the same way, and I understand that.
So just play on a server where it is accustomed to your style of play. If you use scripts, play with mp_blockscripts 0, and vice versa. The community is pretty divided on this issue, and who is right or wrong really makes no difference at this point. It's time accept mp_blockscripts and move on, because I can guarantee that all of this crying like infants won't change a thing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But mp_blockscripts 0 doesn't even block _special any more, you might as well be playing on hacking allowed servers, since the removal of _special was the method flay used to block literally hundreds of violently malicious exploits and scripts that are now once again fair game with mp_blockscripts 0. Your choices are basicly, regular a friggin good mp_blockscripts 0 server with admins who are willing to give up thier whole day every day combating malicious scripters, script maliciously just to compare to all the other malicious bastages out there, and totally remove all the fun from the game, or don't script absolutly at all. Essentially this NS beta could quite possibly kill the NS clan scene compleatly in one foul swoop. Pretty much every clanner uses at least basic scripts, and with them not allowed, or put on the same level as cheaters, they will most likey just leave.
Nothing would ever be like the cs community.
You guys whined about getting Beta 5, well here you have it. You guys will always whine about something.
Indeed that was exactly what I was trying to point out, that with all the posts that are basically:
Scripting is bad! No, scripting is good! No, you suck cuz you script!! No, you suck cuz you don't know what scripts are!!! No you suck more!!! No you suck x100!!!!!!
Those posts will increase and repeat, then the people who can change things will think, wow look at all these great posts, I'm glad I didn't take the time to read it and I'm sure this script subject are just immature posts where people try to flame and flex their e-muscles. Only way for this to change is to pass the information onto the people who CAN make the changes. Now I won't be sending a PM to Zunni because I am pretty damn sure that someone who has used scripts, understands them can explain to him a lot better how scripts aren't harmful to the game so should be left to the player's preference instead of mp_blockingittohell. One less cluttering PM in his box that he has to sort through hopefully because now with Zunni's response, I'm afraid his inbox will be exploding with messages. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read my announcement, the sudden massive wave of scripting related threads is directly due to the changes made to the mp_blockscript command for beta five. Normally we would only have one scripting thread on the first page rather than 3.
Personally, I'm not for or against scripts, so I could care less. Play the game how you want. I don't use them because I learned how to bunny hop at a time when game scripting was practically non-existant. That's my preference. But not everyone feels the same way, and I understand that.
So just play on a server where it is accustomed to your style of play. If you use scripts, play with mp_blockscripts 0, and vice versa. The community is pretty divided on this issue, and who is right or wrong really makes no difference at this point. It's time accept mp_blockscripts and move on, because I can guarantee that all of this crying like infants won't change a thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But mp_blockscripts 0 doesn't even block _special any more, you might as well be playing on hacking allowed servers, since the removal of _special was the method flay used to block literally hundreds of violently malicious exploits and scripts that are now once again fair game with mp_blockscripts 0. Your choices are basicly, regular a friggin good mp_blockscripts 0 server with admins who are willing to give up thier whole day every day combating malicious scripters, script maliciously just to compare to all the other malicious bastages out there, and totally remove all the fun from the game, or don't script absolutly at all. Essentially this NS beta could quite possibly kill the NS clan scene compleatly in one foul swoop. Pretty much every clanner uses at least basic scripts, and with them not allowed, or put on the same level as cheaters, they will most likey just leave. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, then what can I tell you then. Adapt, or quit, I dunno. This is a game, not a matter of life or death. I know you may feel like "why should I have to adapt, we're the top players of NS" - but change comes with the game. In fact, it's being constantly promoted all the time by NS' still beta tag.
One way or the other this issue will pass, so it's just a matter of time. If every single clanner wants to be stubborn and quit because they can't bunny hop as well as they used to, then so be it. The clan scene will die for a brief while, and pick back up again with those who are left from pubs. Never act like the top players of this game can't be replaced, because they most certainly can. It's like that with any multiplayer gaming community.
I'm not saying having clan play die is a good thing (although some who know me may argue otherwise, considering how I constantly bash CAL-ns on a regular basis), but enough is enough. People have been whining about this since before b5 was released, and just like then, it will make no difference in the eyes of the developers.
Adapt, move on, or play on a server set to your preferences. Keep the tears elsewhere, because they won't solve anything.
locked thread? I was specificly refering to <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79627' target='_blank'>this</a> thread, which the onset of which seems to have spawned several new scripting topics. Basicly I'm just saying complaining after the release of a new build can be expected, as there is usually a few bugs to be ironed out. In this case it was something scripting related, so we should just lay off the commenting about it until the new build is stablized one way or the other.
Then he should get off his lazy butt and remove bunnyhopping, because the removal of the alias command did little more than screw up a bunch of peoples binds and FPS checkers. Even the removal of +wait could be acceptable, but is pushing it. The removal of alias is just unacceptable. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you do not know what you are talking about, why try to add useless clutter to the thread? +wait? removal of alias? FPS checkers? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Referancing:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ANOUNCEMENT:
The recent posts about scripting are in response to the chance to the scriptblocker in B5 that blocks the alias command, which alone is widely used and generally considered innocent even amoung nearly all educated antiscripters. If you belive the change to be good, then I can say with reasonable assuradness that you ARE a newb, and have obviously not done your homework into the issue in the slightest.
Other scripting threads, like this one, are a response to the original scripting thread, and thus are pretty much as useless as this one, so please don't post in them and let them sink to the bottom of the forums.
Now that you are educated please stop complaing until we can reach a state of more equality between scripters and non scripters, as attacks to scripting while compleatly innoccent scripts are being banned are just going to look petty, and defending of scripting while _special is enabled is going to look ecessive, if not more...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which is further referancing
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79627' target='_blank'>topic 79627</a>
[edit] Ammendment: Sarisel, don't go around accusing people of not knowing what they are talking about unless you want to **** them off. Ask me for sourses, if you must, I might not like it, but I would be alot less mad about going off and finding them than I would be if you just accused me of not knowing what I am talking about. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
How accurate are your sources? Perhaps unsaddling from your high horse would be a good start.
Now, I've just taken the liberty of sending Zunni the following message:
<!--QuoteBegin-Uzguz -> Zunni @ Sep 5 2004+ 3:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Uzguz -> Zunni @ Sep 5 2004 @ 3:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The thrust of the pro-scripting argument is that the only potentially malicious scripts, namely Leap+Bite scripts and the like, are fairly useless anyway, since they are so restrictive and rely on so many factors being exactly true for them to have the desired effect, and that, therefore, it is not worth blocking scripts entirely on their account. The only useful scripts that are blocked by mp_blockscripts are legitimate ones; client-side lastinv, a net_graph scoreboard, and team-join bindings, for example. Therefore, mp_blockscripts is perceived by pro-scripters as being counter-productive. Pro-scripters see no reason as to why they should be forced to use their controls in a certain manner, when there is nothing wrong with the manner they prefer.
Furthermore, the inclusion of a variable such as mp_blockscripts is a manifestation of the rift in the community that this issue is causing, and has served to make it substantially worse.
The preferred solution for pro-scripters is the complete removal of mp_blockscripts, while still blocking the obviously malicious _special command.
Scripters feel that the decision not only to include mp_blockscripts in the first place, but then to make it more rigid, was a misinformed one. The suspected cause is that the developers are either biased in their own right, or are receiving their information only from misinformed sources, causing them to act upon a skewered perception of the situation either way.
The request to you, then, is to help bridge the gap, as it were; in fulfillment of your recognised role, to bring the information presented by the other side of the argument, namely the better informed pro-scripting side, to the development team, and discuss a solution that is not so counter-productive as mp_blockscripts - or indeed, to perhaps cause a change of view substantial enough to cause the developers to realise the complete absence of a problem (as proposed by pro-scripters), and thus the complete unnecessity of a solution, inspiring the removal of mp_blockscripts and any similar "solution" to this non-existent problem (while maintaining the prohibition of _special).
Feedback is welcomed.
Regards,
Uzguz<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->