Well I'm gonna Analyze this with what know about the Zerg, so 'scuse me if some one chimes in before I do:
Soldiers be outfitted with: -High impact kevlar (preferably full coverage, but only bomb squads have it now, so it'd probably be uneconomical) <b>Chances are this wouldn't do jack. The weaponry of the Zerg forces can pierce through the armor of the future's tanks, and Ultralisks have blade like tusks with a one molecule thick razor edge. That's gonna render any armor null and void, and it does this even in the StarCraft universe.</b>
-3-5 Phosphorous Grenades (which aren't all that common, so procuring many might be hard at first) <b>I'm guessing these would work great, considering terrans have something like this in the game. Zerg rely on sight as much as anything else.</b> - 2 Fragmentation Grenades <b>Could work, but not going to be the greatest deterrent.</b> - 1 Claymore <b>Boom. Pure assumption here but I'm thinking these would take down lower lifeforms, but forget Ultralisks.</b> - Flamethrowers and Large caliber hollow point weapons (maybe some .50 cal brownings and some .50 cal Barrets. <b>Flamethrowers would be great if they were still in production. The military abandoned these years ago. Massive calibre machine guns might do the trick if you have a** loads of ammunition.</b>
Optional/Dependent equipment: -(not sure how the Zerg are at smelling, so optionally) masking scent <b>Not sure how good their sense of smell is either, but they can see perfectly fine. I don't even think Hydralisks have noses.</b> -(not sure how they are at seeing, so optionally) 2 Smoke Grenades <b>These would do great, getting rid of smell and sight entirely, but they'll still hear you.</b> -(not sure of their weaknesses, so optionally) electrical devices, such as tasers. <b>You'd have to have a pretty massive tazer to stun anything more than a zergling, ut I dont see why they wouldn't work. Just keep in mind you're not going to find one of any zerg by itself.</b> -(not sure of their weaknesses, so optionally) sound creating devices, such as those mounted on tanks to disperse riots (which are still in testing). <b> Individual zerg are pretty much mindless slaves, so I dont think sonic deterrants would slow them down much. If you found one of the controller beings (a cerebrate, maybe The Overmind but he'd never be on earth) and used them on them maybe it would work.</b>
Battlefield Weapons include: -Lots of use of Napalm against hoardes of them. <b>Yep.</b> -The use of tactical battlefield nuclear weapons (which are intended for use in field battles, and can be fired from artillery pieces) <b>Yep.</b>
Optional Battlefield weapons: -The use of 'dirty bombs' to degrade these 'Hive Clusters' -The use of an as of yet, unknown chemical which could kill the Zerg (Humans have inherent weakness to many radioactive elements, but also happen to be naturally weak against arsenic, and due to our composistion of water Lithium and similar elements (first group on the periodic table consisting of (in order of least to most destructive): Li, Na, K, Rb, Cs. Fr ). <b>Possible, but the terrans had been testing on the zerg for years by the time the events of Brood War take place and no knowledge of chemical weaknesses came out of them to my knowledge, so improbable.</b>
Still the remaining questions: If they're vulnerable against radiation; then depleted Uranium rounds should be a bit more effective (considering: Uranium has sixteen isotopes, all of which are radioactive). So, what's up with that? <b>I'm guessing Irradiate, the skill Perdition is talking about, is less pure radiation and more a cloud of corrosive gas. So there's the zerg's chemical weakness, but it never says what the gass is made up of iirc.</b> Since they survive deep space well, this question may be futile, but: Can they be frozen? <b>I'm guessing no. They fare perfectly well in the deep cold of space with no protection.</b> How intelligent are they? <b>The Overmind is one gigantic brain like organism what controls the entire zerg race. He's a tactical genius by anyone's standards. He has several "generals" called cerebrates which are basically giant maggots. Cerebrates give out orders to big hovering jellyfish things called Overlords which then control the actual zerg forces more directly. They guys you're actually shooting at are nothing more that mindless pawns, but cerebrates and the Overmind are very intelligent.</b> How fast are they (cheetah seems to be the Zerglings, but what about the flying ones and the larger ones)? <b>Zerglings run pretty damn fast. Fully upgraded they're probably going to run about as fast as a car. Hydralisks are about as fast as your average dude running when fully upgraded (from memory) Ultralisks, the big towering armor plated monsters, are surprisingly fast, as fast as zerglings. Mutalisks, your average flying beastie, go maybe helicopter speed if that. Scourge, basically flying bombs, fly faster then that, but not by a great deal. What they lack for in speed in the air they make up in manueverability and sheer numbers.</b>
...the egg thing seems to be a bit weird to translate properly to reality. Two eggs wouldn't make sense to form one creature...maybe they require a larva twice as big, or something. <b>Wrong way around. One egg forms two zerglings (like guaranteed identacle twins). For everything else its one egg one creature.</b>
Whew, that took a lil while.
EDIT: damn you kids with your typing hax! Damn you!
It depends on how much warning we get if we get like, 6 hours warning, then we will be massacred while we were panicing 4 weeks, we might stand a chance
Flamethrowers might work, if we could make enough of them in time ballistics might not fare so well, depending on how well it penetrates carapace body armor wouldnt really work, cause zerglings are ripping powered armored marines up very niceley, so dont get me started on hydras and ultras
anyhoo, the rist few weeks we'll take lots of losses, more civillians than military, as we run for shelter, then it can go two ways:
A) The great leaders around the world agree that nuking ourselves to oblivion will be better than dying to a great horde of terror
B) Humanity digs in it heels and starts throwing everything it has at the zerg invaders (read conscription, draft, draft age reduced to 16, more people buying/stealing guns, more automatic weapons, convicts forced into duty, etc, etc)
either way we are gonna have a lot of toruble after
Here's another question I just thought of: Kharaa versus Zerg, who would have the privlage to destroy humanity <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Bait-Boy+Sep 5 2004, 12:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bait-Boy @ Sep 5 2004, 12:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here's another question I just thought of: Kharaa versus Zerg, who would have the privlage to destroy humanity <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Mmm now that?s something to think about...
This topic is allot more interesting to read then I thought, please continue. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'd take a wild shot in the dark and invest in sonics, once we figure the right bandwidth we can cause brain hemridges to occur adn poof looks of dead bugs.
Zerg would own the Khaara. Armor plated flesh tearing invincible to most everything except depleted uraniam shells being launched by huge rifles and men in powere armor, or a race of squishy looking loser aliens who die at the hands of plastic-or-kevlar looking armor, ive got a panzy LMG marines.
My vote is for the Zerg. (And the Terrans would own the Frontiersmen.)
<!--QuoteBegin-PvtBones+Sep 5 2004, 01:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PvtBones @ Sep 5 2004, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd take a wild shot in the dark and invest in sonics, once we figure the right bandwidth we can cause brain hemridges to occur adn poof looks of dead bugs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But would we have the time to perfect such a weapon? The Zerg aren't going to hold off on their attack so you can try and build a defense against them. Field testing the right frequency for brain-frying could also prove disastrous to your own troops <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> If such a wepaon would be possible anyway, which I personally doubt, but y'never know.
Hate to say this but we've only ever seen the Kharaa on outposts and backwater space stations. Never on a planetary surface and until we do it will be extremely difficult to compare. Also dont forget that the Kharaa are highly adaptive whilst the zerg just kind of... destroy... stuff... yeah.
Simply put, its not that simple <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The situation given to us wasnt the Zerg landing in one area, and nukes have severe repurcussions for us as well as them. And they're much more mobile than us.
We have to live with the s**t hole we make out of Earth after we nuke the hell out of it to get rid of Zerg. They can just hold back and send in a new invasion force whenever they're ready.
Here is why the world's nuclear arsenal would come to little use.
<i>Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the United States, Mr. George W. Bush.</i>
Good Evening, people of America.
Today, our great planet has come under attack by a race of xenomorphic and clearly genocidal creatures known only as the Zerg. As your president, and leader of the greatest nation on earth, and thus, ruler of this planet, I have taken it upon myself to act as ambassador to this hostile, invading force, in the hopes that we may explore the possibility of peace between our two races.
This morning, immediately after I had completed my photo o... uh, that is, routine inspection of military hardware aboard one of many U.S. carriers stationed in the Persian Gulf, I flew aboard Air Force One to Bagdahd, Iraq, where the Zerg Overmind had established itself.
While I am not aware of the exact reason behind the Overmind's perculiar choice of location, the overwhelming presence of nuclear, biological, and chemical weaponry hidden by Saddam's regime, and as yet undiscovered by American forces clearly had a play in the Overmind's decision.
Immediately following the destruction of Air Force One by a welcoming ensemble of Mutalisks the Overmind had prepared for us, several surviving crew members and I were snatched out of the air by a number of enormous floating elephants, which Rumsfeld referred to as an Overlord. He tried to persuade me to kill the creature with a pistol I had taken from Air Force One, claiming that it would temporarily disable the Zerg troops in the area, allowing the Pakistani troops an opportunity to destroy the Overmind. I told him that wasn't possible, as we couldn't allow the Pakis to get a hold of Saddam's stash of WMDs!
What happened next was a surprise to me. Donald confessed his intentions to have a sexual relationship with myself, and promptly threw himself out of the Overlord's holding sac, fell three miles to the ground, and died on impact. I believe that in a moment of incomprehendible shame following his confession, Donald killed himself in despair, using his body to mark the location where Saddam had hidden his arsenal of nuclear and biological weapons. He will go down in history as one of America's greatest martyrs.
Fifteen minutes following this incident, the Overlord had begun to descend, and in a matter of minutes, I was standing before the almighty Overmind itself!
Negotiations with the Zerg leader were surprisingly quick and painless. After just an hour of discussion, we had come to an agreement. I would hand over the locations of all the major caches of nuclear weapons in the world, and in return for ridding the world of the nasty things, humanity would abandon all forms of resistance and immediately incorporate itself into the Zerg collective. After several minutes of research on the internet, I had all the information the Overmind would need, and it, in return, immediately began dispatching its minions to the doorsteps of billions of homes worldwide.
Do not be afraid, citizens of this great nation, because in my negotiations with the Overmind, I have secured for the people of America a position in the Swarm that will doubtlessly make all our lives just a bit easier. As Zerg Warmongers, we Americans will never again be burdened with the task of having to make big important decisions that may affect the world, or even concern ourselves with the day to day emotions that make us so human. Really, if you think about it, it's kinda like an entire night of sex, alcohol, and marijuana, but forever! Aren't you relieved? I know I am!
If nukes were to be used against the Zerg , they should be fired before they even enter the atmosphere. I think hundreds of strategic missiles shot at the flying swarms would hurt them pretty badly. Then , the world's fighter jets would have to target overlords and hope the reinforcements don't last forever.
Once they land , however , we have lost. A blitz attack in Asia would give the Zerg millions of infested terrans , ready to eradicate any significant resistance.
I would like to tell you guys about how the Clusters are formed.
Drones aren't making them, but spores launched that, once contacted with the surface, automatically start making creep, then slowly a Hive Cluster, this is how The Zerg infested many Terran worlds without them knowing of them until far to late.
Also, nice speech!!! (Sadly, that could almost happen)
Lets see the strong sides we would have against them: Bazookas, rocket weaponry, high-caliber machine guns/sniper rifles, anti-tank guns, tanks, flamethrowers and anything explosive.
But the weak sides we have: Numbers, endurance, close-range weaponry and so forth.
We would hold on some time but when they would get backup's, then it would get a lot harder.
Wow, it has been a long time since I've played SC...FU NS3b5, I'm SCing up tonight!
There would be no way they could get into our atmosphere without being. The Overlord's are too large a creature to slip past all of our detection technology pointed towards space. We'd know, without a doubt.
It would, without a doubt, land on earth. Probably to be followed by many more. It would be a wave of overlords landing down all over the earth. The militaries of the world would be put on a high stage of alert, and there would be widespread panic among the civilian sector, with people purchasing weapons left and right.
As soon as the creeps and what not had been established, the war would begin. Within a day a large portion of the zerg in the North American/Eurasian regions would have been wiped out due to air attacks. However, in less organized and poorer nations, the zerg will be wiping out the military and civilian populations. The larger NA/EA militaries would begin to be stretched thin, and would be unable to really help the 3rd world nations.
Military and civilian scientists will have been working on finding out as much about the Zerg as possible. Battlefield tests of varying weapons will weed out the useless weapons, helping scientists further understand how to combat and destroy the Zerg.
Within a week, with both sides recouping their forces, the decision to launch a full scale nuclear attack against the largest creeps will be made. The nuclear attack will cripple the zerg severely, just in time for the largest reinforcement wave to arrive at earth. However, much of the reinforcements will be destroyed in the NA/EA regions by the air forces of the respective areas.
The zerg will have to eliminate the satellites supporting the troops and destroy the air forces to gain a significant advantage.
From what I make of this these Zerg things have to land on earth inside of something else, correct?
I think they would be spotted by a civilian astronomer or some such and immediately reported to the military. Hopefully they would have the common sense to nuke the things in space and not wait for them to land. Or am I totally off, I have never played SC. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Rapier7+Sep 5 2004, 02:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rapier7 @ Sep 5 2004, 02:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Give me a break, we'd kick their **** without nuclear weaponry.
If you're going entirely by the Starcraft world, we'd win, hands down, within a matter of days.
A "swarm" consisted of 200 supply.
A "swarm" was controlled by a Hive.
The few (5-7?) cerebrates controlled the Hives.
The cerebrates are controlled by the overmind.
So what, at worst, we'd have around 20,000 zerlings facing 6.8 billion humans?
Gimme a break. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think it's safe to say that their force would scale up in numbers equally to ours.
Hold on, let me explain how the hive clusters weren't discovered at first in Mar Sara and other planets in SC.
In the storyline from what I've read, offically mind you, the Zerg sent spores to infest Creep friendly enviroments where Clusters could safely produce eggs and in a short time period, they would try to amass a strike force of +3 days worth of eggs worth of forces and then assault, sooner in weaker areas, longer in more populated areas or if they have been found, immediately.
Only a few exceptions were made, mainly when encountering Protoss and then they used massive fleets to quickly slaughter them so they couldn't help each other in time.
Also, not many humans, in percentage, even have arms training besides maybe 3 million military forces that have to be organized, re-supplied, then sent at defensive and offensive positions even as the Zerg have began the lightning war, civilians would be utterly decimated as they are poorly trained, easily killed, and not even properly supplied.
Also, Rapier is being sarcastic, if he isn't, just ignore him.
22K zerglings made in a week, then another about 30K zerglings in another week as they evolve into more efficent hatcheries, the numbers add up if the clusters aren't immediately found and destoryed, not even counting Hydralisks and Scourges followed with even more species in the near future.
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We need the Really Big Knife! Although i've never played SC, am i right in understanding that the overlord/overmind thing controls the entire force? Couldn't we just nuke it, and all the other things would either just slump over, braindead, or shunt back down to basic intelligence and become like wild animals?
The Overmind won't be anywhere near Earth during the invasion. You could bomb the cerebrates which would be giving out orders on the planet's surface, but the chances of us knowing wehere they are on the planet are slim to none. Even if we do take out the Zerg's chain of command, we would still have to deal with the enormous numbers of zerg warriors; still extremely dangerous, just lacking coordination.
Also, cerebrates would reincarnate if they still have a body mass after death, AKA, they would have to be totally incinerated or have a nuke directly dropped upon them, there often extremely well protected and surrounded by the most elite of The Zerg as well.
A good point EEK, you just have to contaminate about 20 clusters worth of radiation, and hope the drones and clusters can't clean it up in time before it destorys the Clusters itself.
The problem with the nukes is; you have to release at minium 20 nukes to decimate the Zerg, and often then not a cluster can recover from a single nuke but take several days to recover and have horrible reproduction rates.
No, the problem with nukes is <i>we're the ones who have to live with the aftermath our entire existence.</i> The zerg won't care. They can send in more minions afterwards.
Judging from what happens when Cerebrates died and the Over Mind itself died the Hive Clusters gave the Zerg command, though they didn't have any real goal or purpose and thusly the Zerg that were controlled by Clusters without cerebrates or such were often just given guard duty about clusters and sometimes given orders to attack nearby enemy civilization. (Anything that can be harmful to the Zerg is an enemy that has to be consumed into the Swarm)
Nuclear aftermath isn't that bad. It would take an unimaginable amount of nukes to cause a nuclear winter, and I'm not worried about an Earth 2150-scenario happening <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Fallout has a relatively short half-life and becomes somewhat non-lethal only weeks after detonation, if that. The ground the nuke was blown up on too will become non-fatal after a period of time, and can easilly be bulldozed over. Did you know you can go to, even do scuba diving on Bikini Atolll? The only thing you can't do there is eat the fruit, because the trees might have absorbed too much caesium.
And where is this 20 nukes coming from? You know what a 50 megatonner can do to a country the size of Luxembourg?
The zerg are going to be where their enemies are. They arent going to sit conveniently in the middle of nowhere waiting to have an ICBM crammed down their collective throat, which is a problem. Think Hiroshima and Nagasaki on a grander scale.
Someone used that line already <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Soldiers be outfitted with:
-High impact kevlar (preferably full coverage, but only bomb squads have it now, so it'd probably be uneconomical)
<b>Chances are this wouldn't do jack. The weaponry of the Zerg forces can pierce through the armor of the future's tanks, and Ultralisks have blade like tusks with a one molecule thick razor edge. That's gonna render any armor null and void, and it does this even in the StarCraft universe.</b>
-3-5 Phosphorous Grenades (which aren't all that common, so procuring many might be hard at first) <b>I'm guessing these would work great, considering terrans have something like this in the game. Zerg rely on sight as much as anything else.</b>
- 2 Fragmentation Grenades <b>Could work, but not going to be the greatest deterrent.</b>
- 1 Claymore <b>Boom. Pure assumption here but I'm thinking these would take down lower lifeforms, but forget Ultralisks.</b>
- Flamethrowers and Large caliber hollow point weapons (maybe some .50 cal brownings and some .50 cal Barrets. <b>Flamethrowers would be great if they were still in production. The military abandoned these years ago. Massive calibre machine guns might do the trick if you have a** loads of ammunition.</b>
Optional/Dependent equipment:
-(not sure how the Zerg are at smelling, so optionally) masking scent <b>Not sure how good their sense of smell is either, but they can see perfectly fine. I don't even think Hydralisks have noses.</b>
-(not sure how they are at seeing, so optionally) 2 Smoke Grenades <b>These would do great, getting rid of smell and sight entirely, but they'll still hear you.</b>
-(not sure of their weaknesses, so optionally) electrical devices, such as tasers. <b>You'd have to have a pretty massive tazer to stun anything more than a zergling, ut I dont see why they wouldn't work. Just keep in mind you're not going to find one of any zerg by itself.</b>
-(not sure of their weaknesses, so optionally) sound creating devices, such as those mounted on tanks to disperse riots (which are still in testing). <b> Individual zerg are pretty much mindless slaves, so I dont think sonic deterrants would slow them down much. If you found one of the controller beings (a cerebrate, maybe The Overmind but he'd never be on earth) and used them on them maybe it would work.</b>
Battlefield Weapons include:
-Lots of use of Napalm against hoardes of them. <b>Yep.</b>
-The use of tactical battlefield nuclear weapons (which are intended for use in field battles, and can be fired from artillery pieces) <b>Yep.</b>
Optional Battlefield weapons:
-The use of 'dirty bombs' to degrade these 'Hive Clusters'
-The use of an as of yet, unknown chemical which could kill the Zerg (Humans have inherent weakness to many radioactive elements, but also happen to be naturally weak against arsenic, and due to our composistion of water Lithium and similar elements (first group on the periodic table consisting of (in order of least to most destructive): Li, Na, K, Rb, Cs. Fr ). <b>Possible, but the terrans had been testing on the zerg for years by the time the events of Brood War take place and no knowledge of chemical weaknesses came out of them to my knowledge, so improbable.</b>
Still the remaining questions:
If they're vulnerable against radiation; then depleted Uranium rounds should be a bit more effective (considering: Uranium has sixteen isotopes, all of which are radioactive). So, what's up with that? <b>I'm guessing Irradiate, the skill Perdition is talking about, is less pure radiation and more a cloud of corrosive gas. So there's the zerg's chemical weakness, but it never says what the gass is made up of iirc.</b>
Since they survive deep space well, this question may be futile, but: Can they be frozen? <b>I'm guessing no. They fare perfectly well in the deep cold of space with no protection.</b>
How intelligent are they? <b>The Overmind is one gigantic brain like organism what controls the entire zerg race. He's a tactical genius by anyone's standards. He has several "generals" called cerebrates which are basically giant maggots. Cerebrates give out orders to big hovering jellyfish things called Overlords which then control the actual zerg forces more directly. They guys you're actually shooting at are nothing more that mindless pawns, but cerebrates and the Overmind are very intelligent.</b>
How fast are they (cheetah seems to be the Zerglings, but what about the flying ones and the larger ones)? <b>Zerglings run pretty damn fast. Fully upgraded they're probably going to run about as fast as a car. Hydralisks are about as fast as your average dude running when fully upgraded (from memory) Ultralisks, the big towering armor plated monsters, are surprisingly fast, as fast as zerglings. Mutalisks, your average flying beastie, go maybe helicopter speed if that. Scourge, basically flying bombs, fly faster then that, but not by a great deal. What they lack for in speed in the air they make up in manueverability and sheer numbers.</b>
...the egg thing seems to be a bit weird to translate properly to reality. Two eggs wouldn't make sense to form one creature...maybe they require a larva twice as big, or something. <b>Wrong way around. One egg forms two zerglings (like guaranteed identacle twins). For everything else its one egg one creature.</b>
Whew, that took a lil while.
EDIT: damn you kids with your typing hax! Damn you!
if we get like, 6 hours warning, then we will be massacred while we were panicing
4 weeks, we might stand a chance
Flamethrowers might work, if we could make enough of them in time
ballistics might not fare so well, depending on how well it penetrates carapace
body armor wouldnt really work, cause zerglings are ripping powered armored marines up very niceley, so dont get me started on hydras and ultras
anyhoo, the rist few weeks we'll take lots of losses, more civillians than military, as we run for shelter, then it can go two ways:
A) The great leaders around the world agree that nuking ourselves to oblivion will be better than dying to a great horde of terror
B) Humanity digs in it heels and starts throwing everything it has at the zerg invaders (read conscription, draft, draft age reduced to 16, more people buying/stealing guns, more automatic weapons, convicts forced into duty, etc, etc)
either way we are gonna have a lot of toruble after
Here's another question I just thought of: Kharaa versus Zerg, who would have the privlage to destroy humanity <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Mmm now that?s something to think about...
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My vote is for the Zerg. (And the Terrans would own the Frontiersmen.)
But would we have the time to perfect such a weapon? The Zerg aren't going to hold off on their attack so you can try and build a defense against them. Field testing the right frequency for brain-frying could also prove disastrous to your own troops <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> If such a wepaon would be possible anyway, which I personally doubt, but y'never know.
The situation given to us wasnt the Zerg landing in one area, and nukes have severe repurcussions for us as well as them. And they're much more mobile than us.
We have to live with the s**t hole we make out of Earth after we nuke the hell out of it to get rid of Zerg. They can just hold back and send in a new invasion force whenever they're ready.
<i>Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the United States, Mr. George W. Bush.</i>
Good Evening, people of America.
Today, our great planet has come under attack by a race of xenomorphic and clearly genocidal creatures known only as the Zerg. As your president, and leader of the greatest nation on earth, and thus, ruler of this planet, I have taken it upon myself to act as ambassador to this hostile, invading force, in the hopes that we may explore the possibility of peace between our two races.
This morning, immediately after I had completed my photo o... uh, that is, routine inspection of military hardware aboard one of many U.S. carriers stationed in the Persian Gulf, I flew aboard Air Force One to Bagdahd, Iraq, where the Zerg Overmind had established itself.
While I am not aware of the exact reason behind the Overmind's perculiar choice of location, the overwhelming presence of nuclear, biological, and chemical weaponry hidden by Saddam's regime, and as yet undiscovered by American forces clearly had a play in the Overmind's decision.
Immediately following the destruction of Air Force One by a welcoming ensemble of Mutalisks the Overmind had prepared for us, several surviving crew members and I were snatched out of the air by a number of enormous floating elephants, which Rumsfeld referred to as an Overlord. He tried to persuade me to kill the creature with a pistol I had taken from Air Force One, claiming that it would temporarily disable the Zerg troops in the area, allowing the Pakistani troops an opportunity to destroy the Overmind. I told him that wasn't possible, as we couldn't allow the Pakis to get a hold of Saddam's stash of WMDs!
What happened next was a surprise to me. Donald confessed his intentions to have a sexual relationship with myself, and promptly threw himself out of the Overlord's holding sac, fell three miles to the ground, and died on impact. I believe that in a moment of incomprehendible shame following his confession, Donald killed himself in despair, using his body to mark the location where Saddam had hidden his arsenal of nuclear and biological weapons. He will go down in history as one of America's greatest martyrs.
Fifteen minutes following this incident, the Overlord had begun to descend, and in a matter of minutes, I was standing before the almighty Overmind itself!
Negotiations with the Zerg leader were surprisingly quick and painless. After just an hour of discussion, we had come to an agreement. I would hand over the locations of all the major caches of nuclear weapons in the world, and in return for ridding the world of the nasty things, humanity would abandon all forms of resistance and immediately incorporate itself into the Zerg collective. After several minutes of research on the internet, I had all the information the Overmind would need, and it, in return, immediately began dispatching its minions to the doorsteps of billions of homes worldwide.
Do not be afraid, citizens of this great nation, because in my negotiations with the Overmind, I have secured for the people of America a position in the Swarm that will doubtlessly make all our lives just a bit easier. As Zerg Warmongers, we Americans will never again be burdened with the task of having to make big important decisions that may affect the world, or even concern ourselves with the day to day emotions that make us so human. Really, if you think about it, it's kinda like an entire night of sex, alcohol, and marijuana, but forever! Aren't you relieved? I know I am!
Good night, and Zerg bless you all!
If nukes were to be used against the Zerg , they should be fired before they even enter the atmosphere. I think hundreds of strategic missiles shot at the flying swarms would hurt them pretty badly. Then , the world's fighter jets would have to target overlords and hope the reinforcements don't last forever.
Once they land , however , we have lost. A blitz attack in Asia would give the Zerg millions of infested terrans , ready to eradicate any significant resistance.
Drones aren't making them, but spores launched that, once contacted with the surface, automatically start making creep, then slowly a Hive Cluster, this is how The Zerg infested many Terran worlds without them knowing of them until far to late.
Also, nice speech!!! (Sadly, that could almost happen)
Bazookas, rocket weaponry, high-caliber machine guns/sniper rifles, anti-tank guns, tanks, flamethrowers and anything explosive.
But the weak sides we have:
Numbers, endurance, close-range weaponry and so forth.
We would hold on some time but when they would get backup's, then it would get a lot harder.
There would be no way they could get into our atmosphere without being. The Overlord's are too large a creature to slip past all of our detection technology pointed towards space. We'd know, without a doubt.
It would, without a doubt, land on earth. Probably to be followed by many more. It would be a wave of overlords landing down all over the earth. The militaries of the world would be put on a high stage of alert, and there would be widespread panic among the civilian sector, with people purchasing weapons left and right.
As soon as the creeps and what not had been established, the war would begin. Within a day a large portion of the zerg in the North American/Eurasian regions would have been wiped out due to air attacks. However, in less organized and poorer nations, the zerg will be wiping out the military and civilian populations. The larger NA/EA militaries would begin to be stretched thin, and would be unable to really help the 3rd world nations.
Military and civilian scientists will have been working on finding out as much about the Zerg as possible. Battlefield tests of varying weapons will weed out the useless weapons, helping scientists further understand how to combat and destroy the Zerg.
Within a week, with both sides recouping their forces, the decision to launch a full scale nuclear attack against the largest creeps will be made. The nuclear attack will cripple the zerg severely, just in time for the largest reinforcement wave to arrive at earth. However, much of the reinforcements will be destroyed in the NA/EA regions by the air forces of the respective areas.
The zerg will have to eliminate the satellites supporting the troops and destroy the air forces to gain a significant advantage.
I think they would be spotted by a civilian astronomer or some such and immediately reported to the military. Hopefully they would have the common sense to nuke the things in space and not wait for them to land. Or am I totally off, I have never played SC. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If you're going entirely by the Starcraft world, we'd win, hands down, within a matter of days.
A "swarm" consisted of 200 supply.
A "swarm" was controlled by a Hive.
The few (5-7?) cerebrates controlled the Hives.
The cerebrates are controlled by the overmind.
So what, at worst, we'd have around 20,000 zerlings facing 6.8 billion humans?
Gimme a break.
If you're going entirely by the Starcraft world, we'd win, hands down, within a matter of days.
A "swarm" consisted of 200 supply.
A "swarm" was controlled by a Hive.
The few (5-7?) cerebrates controlled the Hives.
The cerebrates are controlled by the overmind.
So what, at worst, we'd have around 20,000 zerlings facing 6.8 billion humans?
Gimme a break. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it's safe to say that their force would scale up in numbers equally to ours.
In the storyline from what I've read, offically mind you, the Zerg sent spores to infest Creep friendly enviroments where Clusters could safely produce eggs and in a short time period, they would try to amass a strike force of +3 days worth of eggs worth of forces and then assault, sooner in weaker areas, longer in more populated areas or if they have been found, immediately.
Only a few exceptions were made, mainly when encountering Protoss and then they used massive fleets to quickly slaughter them so they couldn't help each other in time.
Also, not many humans, in percentage, even have arms training besides maybe 3 million military forces that have to be organized, re-supplied, then sent at defensive and offensive positions even as the Zerg have began the lightning war, civilians would be utterly decimated as they are poorly trained, easily killed, and not even properly supplied.
Also, Rapier is being sarcastic, if he isn't, just ignore him.
22K zerglings made in a week, then another about 30K zerglings in another week as they evolve into more efficent hatcheries, the numbers add up if the clusters aren't immediately found and destoryed, not even counting Hydralisks and Scourges followed with even more species in the near future.
The problem with the nukes is; you have to release at minium 20 nukes to decimate the Zerg, and often then not a cluster can recover from a single nuke but take several days to recover and have horrible reproduction rates.
And where is this 20 nukes coming from? You know what a 50 megatonner can do to a country the size of Luxembourg?
Zerg is limited to only 200 units.
Duh.