EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
edited August 2004
/Concerned...
The chalk is water-soluble.. (according to his website) Along with rules of non hateful speech (which I assume 'loser' is) Those grounds might be relevant when he is excersing those points of critic but not for arresting the man before he has done anything.. If you've ever watched a cycling race you'll notice the road is covered with chalk, I dont see the police pre emptively striking them..
No seriously, the arrest is politically motivated.. Dahm those.. Ultra-conservative republicans.. From what I read some of things looks abit fascistic
<!--QuoteBegin-Jim has Skillz+Aug 30 2004, 04:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jim has Skillz @ Aug 30 2004, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ITS FREAKIN CHALK! You can't even remotely compare this to someone stealing a car, it doesn't even remotely fit a good analogy to this situation. Yes if he was using maybe umm SPRAYPAINT then that would most definately be illegal. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually no it's not chalk, at least not sidewalk chalk that we played with as little kids like you make it sound. It's some sort of liquid chalk/paint type chemical that is sprayed out of the bike. Something gives me the feeling it doesn’t come off as easily as they say it does.
Also are trying to tell me that if I went up and down the sidewalks in your neighborhood, right next to your house spraying "Kerry is a loser, Vote Bush 04!" You wouldn't be annoyed, even angered? Because you shouldn't be, it’s my right to free speech and I can abuse it to shove my political agenda in your face if I want to.
<!--QuoteBegin-reasa+Aug 30 2004, 05:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Aug 30 2004, 05:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also are trying to tell me that if I went up and down the sidewalks in your neighborhood, right next to your house spraying "Kerry is a loser, Vote Bush 04!" You wouldn't be annoyed, even angered? Because you shouldn't be, it’s my right to free speech and I can abuse it to shove my political agenda in your face if I want to. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not so long as you used water soluable chalk, or some other easily removed material. I'd just erase it and write my onw "Don't vote its a waste of time!" political message.
As to the right of someone to write messages on sidewalks or the streets... There isn't one. It does not matter if it'll come off easily or not, there is no right to write.
Edit: Another link: <a href='http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/index.php' target='_blank'>http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/index.php</a>
I thought that was what he was using. Those spray 'chalk' cans are what you use to mark a sports field, or for marking underground pipes and wires in construction. A simple rain will not wash it away, nor will walking on it. It must be pressure washed to remove it.
I used those things to mark fields and mark wires when digging some ditches. It is meant for grass/dirt not cement.
"I didn't want to get harassed by people," he said. "I don't want to get my equipment confiscated before I get started.... It's a legal gray area, it's sort of graffiti."
Look, even he wasn't sure if it was completely legal. If he goes to court I could see that quote coming back to haunt him, I doubt he'll get in any trouble though, and I don't want to see him prosecuted anyway, give him a slap on the wrist and tell him to use his creativity for something actually worth while.
That_Annoying_KidSire of TitlesJoin Date: 2003-03-01Member: 14175Members, Constellation
the whole thing that stuns me is that it took 6 officers to arrest him, as a future tax payer I'm appaled that they wasted time and money to bother the hippy with a bike, when there are far more real crimes happening
<!--QuoteBegin-That Annoying Kid+Aug 31 2004, 04:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (That Annoying Kid @ Aug 31 2004, 04:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the whole thing that stuns me is that it took 6 officers to arrest him, as a future tax payer I'm appaled that they wasted time and money to bother the hippy with a bike, when there are far more real crimes happening <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I see that happen all the time.
Every incident where I have witnessed a crime it involved multiple squad cars.
It's funny when it's a little thing, but is sensical when it's a larger thing.
I have eye witnessesed 4 crimes so far and while I disagree with censorship I get very defensive about the good things our emergency service and FBI do.
PS: If you have ever watched shows like Law & Order you know the usefulness of the ability to arrest someone so you can interview them. But it is not something you do just because, if you are not able to warrant the arrest you can have defense lawyers ripping you up later. So not sucha good idea.
I head someone saying he was arrested without a word. I find this hard to believe because: <a href='http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/mirandarights/a/miranda.htm' target='_blank'>Why the police have to "Read him his rights."</a>
It was initiated in the Miranda vs. Arizona case and goes like the following:
<span style='color:yellow'><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to be speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--></span>
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The chalk is water-soluble.. (according to his website) Along with rules of non hateful speech (which I assume 'loser' is) Those grounds might be relevant when he is excersing those points of critic but not for arresting the man before he has done anything.. If you've ever watched a cycling race you'll notice the road is covered with chalk, I dont see the police pre emptively striking them..
No seriously, the arrest is politically motivated.. Dahm those.. Ultra-conservative republicans.. From what I read some of things looks abit fascistic
Actually no it's not chalk, at least not sidewalk chalk that we played with as little kids like you make it sound. It's some sort of liquid chalk/paint type chemical that is sprayed out of the bike. Something gives me the feeling it doesn’t come off as easily as they say it does.
Also are trying to tell me that if I went up and down the sidewalks in your neighborhood, right next to your house spraying "Kerry is a loser, Vote Bush 04!"
You wouldn't be annoyed, even angered? Because you shouldn't be, it’s my right to free speech and I can abuse it to shove my political agenda in your face if I want to.
You wouldn't be annoyed, even angered? Because you shouldn't be, it’s my right to free speech and I can abuse it to shove my political agenda in your face if I want to. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not so long as you used water soluable chalk, or some other easily removed material. I'd just erase it and write my onw "Don't vote its a waste of time!" political message.
<a href='http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,64419,00.html' target='_blank'>http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,64419,00.html</a>
As to the right of someone to write messages on sidewalks or the streets... There isn't one. It does not matter if it'll come off easily or not, there is no right to write.
Edit:
Another link: <a href='http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/index.php' target='_blank'>http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/index.php</a>
I used those things to mark fields and mark wires when digging some ditches. It is meant for grass/dirt not cement.
Look, even he wasn't sure if it was completely legal.
If he goes to court I could see that quote coming back to haunt him, I doubt he'll get in any trouble though, and I don't want to see him prosecuted anyway, give him a slap on the wrist and tell him to use his creativity for something actually worth while.
I see that happen all the time.
Every incident where I have witnessed a crime it involved multiple squad cars.
It's funny when it's a little thing, but is sensical when it's a larger thing.
I have eye witnessesed 4 crimes so far and while I disagree with censorship I get very defensive about the good things our emergency service and FBI do.
PS: If you have ever watched shows like Law & Order you know the usefulness of the ability to arrest someone so you can interview them. But it is not something you do just because, if you are not able to warrant the arrest you can have defense lawyers ripping you up later. So not sucha good idea.
I head someone saying he was arrested without a word. I find this hard to believe because: <a href='http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/mirandarights/a/miranda.htm' target='_blank'>Why the police have to "Read him his rights."</a>
It was initiated in the Miranda vs. Arizona case and goes like the following:
<span style='color:yellow'><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to be speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--></span>