ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
he is linking taking sometihng that is being provided for free to certain specific people, to another event much the same.
And yah know what? I am a dirty rotten thief I have download large amounts of Anime, MP3s, Games, Movies, etc. But yah know what? I know what I am doing is illegal, and thus I will get spanked by the law if I ever get caught. These people however, are complaining that valve has cut them off from a FREE service for trying to steal from them, instead of handing over the IPs to the FBI (guess what, FBI would handel this as only those that live in the same state as Valve's offical office have not crossed state lines in commiting fraud).
Oh, and do you read other people's posts? b/c I don't think you do.
Basicaly, anyone who has bought any product UP TO CS:CZ got lots of nifty free things: 1) Access to: HL, DoD, TFC, CS+ All the other nifty mods (NATURAL SELECTION) 2) A Free game server (aka WON then Steam) 3) Fast responses to known issues (for a game company that is, patches came out decently quick, not as fast as they could have, but faster then most companies)
CS:CZ Customers got: 1) CS:CZ (I don't think they even got TFC and DoD, I know they can't use 3rd party games) 2) Steam.
THAT IS IT!
Now, you can look at it a few ways: 1) "OMGZOR SEE THE RIP OF THEIR CUSTOMERS!!!!" or: 2) "Hey, they actualy realised they sorta screwed over some of their customers and gave them access to the CSS OPEN Beta"
Oh, and note the emphasis on OPEN! CSS Already went through CLOSED beta. It is now basicaly open to any one who wants to join (either via cyber caffe, or buying it).
Wich brings me to another point <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> CSS is being distributed FREELY to cyber caffe's. Hmm, realy looks like Valve is ripping them off, don't yah think?
So realise this: 1) If you break a law, you get spanked for it. I know this, though you don't seem to and probably should learn it fast before it happens to you. 2) Valve is a company, so what if they try to make some $$? That is what they are there for. 3) Valve is actualy doing a nice thing and letting people test out CSS (they honestly probably didn't have to, they could have done all the testing them selfs, and then sold it with HL2, and let the final testing be done there) 4) You basicaly admit that all these people did sometihng wrong, your one excuse is down to the fact that we are hypocrits for downloading stuff, yet still mocking the people that GET CAUGHT!
On a side note: DoD:S Is already fully ported, and they are now testing it (this is gona be sweet <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Oh, and on another note: There is aparently a Working hacked version of CSS floating around (no I won't tell yah where, b/c Valve is one of the companies I don't steal from <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
NolSinklerOn the ClorfJoin Date: 2004-02-15Member: 26560Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin--Lurker-+Aug 27 2004, 03:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Lurker- @ Aug 27 2004, 03:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> WTH MAN?! I CANT COME TO YOUR GRADUATION PARTY AND EAT YOUR CAEKES AND PIE FOR FREE JUST BECAUSE IM NOT A FAMILY MEMBER?! WTH MAN YOU GREEDY SELFISH MAGGOT <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Lol, he was saying that these CC and CD hackers are getting mad at valave because THEY tried to steal valves final product with fake credit cards/c-d keys.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
Bah, I dont cheat or attempt anything yet I feel strange about it, I dont like this very very strict system, air tight, like some oppresive goverment, believe it or not, just so they is an option means alot <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Aug 27 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 27 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It must be for credit card fraud alone. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's what i was thinking, whilst warez is definately a problem to a company like valve, credit card fraud is, to be honest, a much bigger problem and a far more serious crime than entering some SeRiAlZ you downloaded from OmGuHaXmYgAmE.com. When it comes to warez, it's mostly just kids who want something for free, they get caught (and for some reason whine about it) but really not much can be done. How many people out there really want to sue some adolescents with no real grasp of right or wrong? Other than the RIAA, that is. Someone resorting to credit card fraud for a $40 game, let alone (what was it) 11 counts of fraud? Christ on a freakin' bike, press charges!
<!--QuoteBegin-UZi+Aug 27 2004, 04:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UZi @ Aug 27 2004, 04:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This guy is going to be hammed over playing Half Life.
Inmate: "So what are you in for?"
Guy: "I tried to pirate HL"
Inmate: "Oh? I killed 4 people with a hammer." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, credit card fraud, that is an extremely serious offense.
Just thought I should mention that comparing P2P filesharing to CC fraud is a place you do not want to go, because it will only harm your points since the two subjects are not comparable.
I'll have to agree with the bans on this issue. Besides, I bought Half-Life five years ago on sale at CompUSA for $9.99 (Yes, it was a legal copy. I have no idea how CompUSA pulled it off). I was able to get CS, DoD, and TFC all for free. The people who bought CS or DoD are also able, through Steam, to get everything else for free. It's been a long, long time since they've earned any money from me.
Considering that they've offered two products to me for free - CS and DoD - that retailed for $20, I think a $20 donation for CS:CZ works out well. Sure, it might not be the best $20 I've spent, but if you just consider it a donation, you'll be fine. As a <i>bonus</i>, you also get the Source Beta! If you stop thinking that a company <i>owes</i> you anything, you'll be fine.
Just shop smart, read reviews, keep your ears open and be wise with your money. Don't do anything illegal - it's not worth it. I, for one, am happy with what I have and will wait for Half-Life 2.
The people confused about the line between bans and criminal actions should note that most of these people didn't succeed, and the ones that did commited fraud for 20-40 bucks. The FBI doesn't really get involved with anything under $2000 because that's when its considered grand larceny.
And for those of you that STILL think using CC generators and stolen credit cards isn't a big deal get your heads on straight because identity theft is being cracked down on big time.
first hes trying to steal a $30 game seconed hes not trying it once he tries 11 times some one needs to beat that kid silly
i bet if he just went and asked his parents for 30 bucks they would have given it to him but nooooo hes gotta go try the illegal way and then he gets banned and hes complaining?!!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->However, those that have been using false CC numbers or keys deserve to get banned. Permanently. It would be nice if they could resolve CD-key thefts where someone has used a keygen to steal someone else's key. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Keygens are useless for stealing someones key. Keys contain 13 digits, if one in every 100-1000 or so random keys is useable on a LAN(poor verification, only a simple alghoritm to determine if the key could be real) and out of all keys only ~10 000 000 are real keys that have been printed and shipped to stores and are the only ones validated for online play(they would probably be storing them in a database as a one-way hash of the keys so you can't find the actuall keys from their database even if you had access to it and even if you knew the alghoritm used for the one-way hash unless you had a computer available to sit and chew for months on end just to churn out a few keys), then this means there are 1000 to 10 000 times more illegitimate keys than legitimate ones. Keygen all you want, with such a slim chance of success I'm pretty sure your *** will be banned before you get anywhere.
I would bet allmost every single "stolen" key, have been so through social engineering in one form or other. Such as smacktards stealing their friends key that they where only "borrowing"(as you could do on WON as long as you don't play at the same time), people using cheats on WON that take a peek at their key( one of the most popular cheats did this at one time, that really made me chuckle. People who used cheats that stole their key deserve everything they get anyway).
<!--QuoteBegin-Isamil+Aug 26 2004, 04:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Isamil @ Aug 26 2004, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Voogru got his account disabled? So thats what he was talking about in IRC yesterday.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> FYI, Before anyone starts making claims that I hacked it, exploited it, whatever.
That happened on my birthday on which I had a few friends come over, one of them used an exploit to get CZ for free on my account.
I explained this to valve but it sounds too much like the "my brother did it" excuse so they didnt believe me, which I expected. I did offer to pay for CZ, yet they declined.
So I just shelled out 12 bucks for a new key. No big deal.
these guys have GOT to have been dropped on there head. i dont go to adobes forums and say "OGM I STOLE YOUR $800 PROGRAM!!! MY IP IS ###.###.#.# AND MY EMAIL IS ########@###.########.## OGM IM GETTING BAD SERVICE!!!"
<!--QuoteBegin-Isamil+Aug 27 2004, 04:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Isamil @ Aug 27 2004, 04:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Some friends... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, though I was able to get the 12 bucks out of him, but really, thats pocket change.
<!--QuoteBegin-voogru+Aug 27 2004, 03:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (voogru @ Aug 27 2004, 03:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Isamil+Aug 27 2004, 04:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Isamil @ Aug 27 2004, 04:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Some friends... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, though I was able to get the 12 bucks out of him, but really, thats pocket change. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> did you get to play CS:S at least?
<!--QuoteBegin-dr.d+Aug 27 2004, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Aug 27 2004, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-voogru+Aug 27 2004, 03:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (voogru @ Aug 27 2004, 03:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Isamil+Aug 27 2004, 04:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Isamil @ Aug 27 2004, 04:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Some friends... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, though I was able to get the 12 bucks out of him, but really, thats pocket change. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> did you get to play CS:S at least?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll admit to taking advatage of the situation and trying out cs:s, it looks great, but I really dont like the CS community (too many damn cheaters/lamers IMO). I played a few rounds & played around with the physics a bit and went back to coding NS.
At least the "HACKER" screams whenever someone killed someone were not as much, hell, I tmp'ed 3 terrorists with headshot in a period of about 2 seconds and no one screamed "hacker".
Well as far as Hackers in CS go there's a simple breakdown chart.
Passworded Servers- No cheaters ever (because if they use hacks they would have permission of some sort) Secure, Admined, and frequently Moderated servers- Maybe 1 hacker a week or so, quickly banned, and hardly a problem Secure, Admined but loosely- Hacker every other day, usually gers Steam ID written down and banned later Secure, Admined by asshats- Hacker ever day to every other day, sometimes the admins themselves, no one ever gets banned, can blatently hack for hours. Insecure servers- Multiple Hackers 24/7.
<!--QuoteBegin-dr.d+Aug 27 2004, 02:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Aug 27 2004, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well as far as Hackers in CS go there's a simple breakdown chart.
Passworded Servers- No cheaters ever (because if they use hacks they would have permission of some sort) Secure, Admined, and frequently Moderated servers- Maybe 1 hacker a week or so, quickly banned, and hardly a problem Secure, Admined but loosely- Hacker every other day, usually gers Steam ID written down and banned later Secure, Admined by asshats- Hacker ever day to every other day, sometimes the admins themselves, no one ever gets banned, can blatently hack for hours. Insecure servers- Multiple Hackers 24/7.
Pretty accurate from what I've seen. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Works for about most mods too, eh?
That's true, the only really good cheat counter is a well trained admin who knows how to spot them. But they also must know how to spot really good players so they aren't falsely banned.
<!--QuoteBegin-JediYoshi+Aug 27 2004, 04:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JediYoshi @ Aug 27 2004, 04:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-dr.d+Aug 27 2004, 02:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Aug 27 2004, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well as far as Hackers in CS go there's a simple breakdown chart.
Passworded Servers- No cheaters ever (because if they use hacks they would have permission of some sort) Secure, Admined, and frequently Moderated servers- Maybe 1 hacker a week or so, quickly banned, and hardly a problem Secure, Admined but loosely- Hacker every other day, usually gers Steam ID written down and banned later Secure, Admined by asshats- Hacker ever day to every other day, sometimes the admins themselves, no one ever gets banned, can blatently hack for hours. Insecure servers- Multiple Hackers 24/7.
Pretty accurate from what I've seen. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Works for about most mods too, eh? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Only problem is 2000 out of 3000 servers fall under numbers 3-4.
I used to play CS almost non-stop since beta 6.5 I only really changed games when I discovered NS, about a week after it came out. On the few occasions where I've tried CS again, I've found any server so full of idiots and children, and also some very suspect players, I've just deleted the thing.
Its a shame really, because without getting into the changes (which I never really had a problem with) over the versions, playing CS in beta was really very good fun. For the most part, the players were very mature. I played on Barrysworld, and they were pretty well adminned.
FYI (hope this is ok on the CoC) if anyone wants to know what happened to Barrysworld, goto www.freddyshouse.com, thats where the community is now.
With regard to this whole CS:S thing, personally I think its hilarious. I wouldn't be so hollow as to claim that 'omg they are pirates kill them omg', because I have some 'dodgy' stuff on my pc, as I'm sure many others here have. I think the funny thing about it is the way that some of these people have feigned surprise, and disgust, for basically being caught with their pants down.
Barrysworld huh? You might've been shot in the head by me in the past once XD
I got banned from a german server once. They thought I was using a superhack or something because I got 5 headshots in a row through some walls... Guess it never occurred to them that 3 of them had been through a door where I'd have known where the head was the minute I heard the footsteps behind it while admittedly the other 2 were either intuition or fluke <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Geminosity+Aug 27 2004, 06:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Aug 27 2004, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Barrysworld huh? You might've been shot in the head by me in the past once XD
I got banned from a german server once. They thought I was using a superhack or something because I got 5 headshots in a row through some walls... Guess it never occurred to them that 3 of them had been through a door where I'd have known where the head was the minute I heard the footsteps behind it while admittedly the other 2 were either intuition or fluke <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Reminds me of a funny time when I actually was hacking on an fy map, I got a silly amount of headshots with the colt, left the server to have some food came back without hacks, got 3 headshots with a scout and got banned for hacking.
I guess people get so used to getting killed a certain way as soon as something out of the ordinary happens they cry hacks.
Why hack though? After playing it long enough just about anybody becomes a headshot machine (considering what the worst player in our year did with a scout) =/
My year in university were all avid CSers for about 3-4 years (they got me into it back in beta 3 I think) and by the end of the year we were trouncing most other players on the net who just couldn't put in the ludicrious hours we all did =3 Two of the guys ended up killing whole teams with just the knife... they scared me.
The worst thing that happened that people would probably think 'omg hacks' at (though a lot of what the year eventually got to was silly enough to make people's eyes boggle) was either the time that one guy took out 3/4s of the ct team in 2 AWP shots (triple headshot followed immediately by a double... I was the 2nd victim in that double) or every single match in as_oilrig. 5 of the people in my year had worked out exactly where the VIP spawned and could <b>headshot</b> it at the start of the level from almost anywhere with the AWP, ending it almost immediately after the round started; quite often there'd be 2 or 3 of them shooting at once meaning it was impossible for the VIP to actually survive o.O
There was also the infamous window jump where if you spawned near the CT start in oilrig you could do a daring jump from one narrow window to the other and kill the whole team while they were still buying weapons. It was funny because most people couldn't even comprehend that a T would get there so fast and would ignore you completely as if you were a CT while you killed everyone... it's a very surreal experience XD
Most of us also managed a lot of other 'magic shot' locations like capping whoever was using the camera in that warehouse one (Assault?). You'd just stand on the roof or on the ground and listen for someone using the camera then fire at a certain place... 9 out of 10 times you'd get a kill =3 I think everyone who played CS probably knew that one or a few of the others though ^^
<b>edit:</b> ick... looks like I'm boasting... the point I was getting at is that with enough time put in you can get so good at CS hacks are pointless and besides they just ruin the fun. Given the hours most people in my uni put in almost anyone could become lethal enough to take out whole teams single handedly; one or two of them were really good but I'd say the rest of us (like lil me) were just average gamers who spent too much time playing it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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And yah know what?
I am a dirty rotten thief
I have download large amounts of Anime, MP3s, Games, Movies, etc.
But yah know what? I know what I am doing is illegal, and thus I will get spanked by the law if I ever get caught.
These people however, are complaining that valve has cut them off from a FREE service for trying to steal from them, instead of handing over the IPs to the FBI (guess what, FBI would handel this as only those that live in the same state as Valve's offical office have not crossed state lines in commiting fraud).
Oh, and do you read other people's posts? b/c I don't think you do.
Basicaly, anyone who has bought any product UP TO CS:CZ got lots of nifty free things:
1) Access to: HL, DoD, TFC, CS+ All the other nifty mods (NATURAL SELECTION)
2) A Free game server (aka WON then Steam)
3) Fast responses to known issues (for a game company that is, patches came out decently quick, not as fast as they could have, but faster then most companies)
CS:CZ Customers got:
1) CS:CZ (I don't think they even got TFC and DoD, I know they can't use 3rd party games)
2) Steam.
THAT IS IT!
Now, you can look at it a few ways:
1) "OMGZOR SEE THE RIP OF THEIR CUSTOMERS!!!!"
or:
2) "Hey, they actualy realised they sorta screwed over some of their customers and gave them access to the CSS OPEN Beta"
Oh, and note the emphasis on OPEN!
CSS Already went through CLOSED beta. It is now basicaly open to any one who wants to join (either via cyber caffe, or buying it).
Wich brings me to another point <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
CSS is being distributed FREELY to cyber caffe's. Hmm, realy looks like Valve is ripping them off, don't yah think?
So realise this:
1) If you break a law, you get spanked for it. I know this, though you don't seem to and probably should learn it fast before it happens to you.
2) Valve is a company, so what if they try to make some $$? That is what they are there for.
3) Valve is actualy doing a nice thing and letting people test out CSS (they honestly probably didn't have to, they could have done all the testing them selfs, and then sold it with HL2, and let the final testing be done there)
4) You basicaly admit that all these people did sometihng wrong, your one excuse is down to the fact that we are hypocrits for downloading stuff, yet still mocking the people that GET CAUGHT!
On a side note:
DoD:S Is already fully ported, and they are now testing it (this is gona be sweet <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Oh, and on another note:
There is aparently a Working hacked version of CSS floating around (no I won't tell yah where, b/c Valve is one of the companies I don't steal from <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Lol, he was saying that these CC and CD hackers are getting mad at valave because THEY tried to steal valves final product with fake credit cards/c-d keys.
That's what i was thinking, whilst warez is definately a problem to a company like valve, credit card fraud is, to be honest, a much bigger problem and a far more serious crime than entering some SeRiAlZ you downloaded from OmGuHaXmYgAmE.com. When it comes to warez, it's mostly just kids who want something for free, they get caught (and for some reason whine about it) but really not much can be done. How many people out there really want to sue some adolescents with no real grasp of right or wrong? Other than the RIAA, that is. Someone resorting to credit card fraud for a $40 game, let alone (what was it) 11 counts of fraud? Christ on a freakin' bike, press charges!
Inmate: "So what are you in for?"
Guy: "I tried to pirate HL"
Inmate: "Oh? I killed 4 people with a hammer."
Inmate: "So what are you in for?"
Guy: "I tried to pirate HL"
Inmate: "Oh? I killed 4 people with a hammer." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, credit card fraud, that is an extremely serious offense.
They just sue / fine you for warez really.
Considering that they've offered two products to me for free - CS and DoD - that retailed for $20, I think a $20 donation for CS:CZ works out well. Sure, it might not be the best $20 I've spent, but if you just consider it a donation, you'll be fine. As a <i>bonus</i>, you also get the Source Beta! If you stop thinking that a company <i>owes</i> you anything, you'll be fine.
Just shop smart, read reviews, keep your ears open and be wise with your money. Don't do anything illegal - it's not worth it. I, for one, am happy with what I have and will wait for Half-Life 2.
And for those of you that STILL think using CC generators and stolen credit cards isn't a big deal get your heads on straight because identity theft is being cracked down on big time.
first hes trying to steal a $30 game
seconed hes not trying it once he tries 11 times some one needs to beat that kid silly
i bet if he just went and asked his parents for 30 bucks they would have given it to him but nooooo hes gotta go try the illegal way and then he gets banned and hes complaining?!!
Keygens are useless for stealing someones key. Keys contain 13 digits, if one in every 100-1000 or so random keys is useable on a LAN(poor verification, only a simple alghoritm to determine if the key could be real) and out of all keys only ~10 000 000 are real keys that have been printed and shipped to stores and are the only ones validated for online play(they would probably be storing them in a database as a one-way hash of the keys so you can't find the actuall keys from their database even if you had access to it and even if you knew the alghoritm used for the one-way hash unless you had a computer available to sit and chew for months on end just to churn out a few keys), then this means there are 1000 to 10 000 times more illegitimate keys than legitimate ones. Keygen all you want, with such a slim chance of success I'm pretty sure your *** will be banned before you get anywhere.
I would bet allmost every single "stolen" key, have been so through social engineering in one form or other. Such as smacktards stealing their friends key that they where only "borrowing"(as you could do on WON as long as you don't play at the same time), people using cheats on WON that take a peek at their key( one of the most popular cheats did this at one time, that really made me chuckle. People who used cheats that stole their key deserve everything they get anyway).
FYI, Before anyone starts making claims that I hacked it, exploited it, whatever.
That happened on my birthday on which I had a few friends come over, one of them used an exploit to get CZ for free on my account.
I explained this to valve but it sounds too much like the "my brother did it" excuse so they didnt believe me, which I expected. I did offer to pay for CZ, yet they declined.
So I just shelled out 12 bucks for a new key. No big deal.
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i dont go to adobes forums and say "OGM I STOLE YOUR $800 PROGRAM!!! MY IP IS ###.###.#.# AND MY EMAIL IS ########@###.########.## OGM IM GETTING BAD SERVICE!!!"
morons...
Yeah, though I was able to get the 12 bucks out of him, but really, thats pocket change.
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did you get to play CS:S at least?
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did you get to play CS:S at least?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll admit to taking advatage of the situation and trying out cs:s, it looks great, but I really dont like the CS community (too many damn cheaters/lamers IMO). I played a few rounds & played around with the physics a bit and went back to coding NS.
At least the "HACKER" screams whenever someone killed someone were not as much, hell, I tmp'ed 3 terrorists with headshot in a period of about 2 seconds and no one screamed "hacker".
Of course, my score was about 6/35 or something.
Passworded Servers- No cheaters ever (because if they use hacks they would have permission of some sort)
Secure, Admined, and frequently Moderated servers- Maybe 1 hacker a week or so, quickly banned, and hardly a problem
Secure, Admined but loosely- Hacker every other day, usually gers Steam ID written down and banned later
Secure, Admined by asshats- Hacker ever day to every other day, sometimes the admins themselves, no one ever gets banned, can blatently hack for hours.
Insecure servers- Multiple Hackers 24/7.
Pretty accurate from what I've seen.
Passworded Servers- No cheaters ever (because if they use hacks they would have permission of some sort)
Secure, Admined, and frequently Moderated servers- Maybe 1 hacker a week or so, quickly banned, and hardly a problem
Secure, Admined but loosely- Hacker every other day, usually gers Steam ID written down and banned later
Secure, Admined by asshats- Hacker ever day to every other day, sometimes the admins themselves, no one ever gets banned, can blatently hack for hours.
Insecure servers- Multiple Hackers 24/7.
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Works for about most mods too, eh?
Passworded Servers- No cheaters ever (because if they use hacks they would have permission of some sort)
Secure, Admined, and frequently Moderated servers- Maybe 1 hacker a week or so, quickly banned, and hardly a problem
Secure, Admined but loosely- Hacker every other day, usually gers Steam ID written down and banned later
Secure, Admined by asshats- Hacker ever day to every other day, sometimes the admins themselves, no one ever gets banned, can blatently hack for hours.
Insecure servers- Multiple Hackers 24/7.
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Works for about most mods too, eh? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only problem is 2000 out of 3000 servers fall under numbers 3-4.
Its a shame really, because without getting into the changes (which I never really had a problem with) over the versions, playing CS in beta was really very good fun. For the most part, the players were very mature. I played on Barrysworld, and they were pretty well adminned.
FYI (hope this is ok on the CoC) if anyone wants to know what happened to Barrysworld, goto www.freddyshouse.com, thats where the community is now.
With regard to this whole CS:S thing, personally I think its hilarious. I wouldn't be so hollow as to claim that 'omg they are pirates kill them omg', because I have some 'dodgy' stuff on my pc, as I'm sure many others here have. I think the funny thing about it is the way that some of these people have feigned surprise, and disgust, for basically being caught with their pants down.
I got banned from a german server once. They thought I was using a superhack or something because I got 5 headshots in a row through some walls... Guess it never occurred to them that 3 of them had been through a door where I'd have known where the head was the minute I heard the footsteps behind it while admittedly the other 2 were either intuition or fluke <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I got banned from a german server once. They thought I was using a superhack or something because I got 5 headshots in a row through some walls... Guess it never occurred to them that 3 of them had been through a door where I'd have known where the head was the minute I heard the footsteps behind it while admittedly the other 2 were either intuition or fluke <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Reminds me of a funny time when I actually was hacking on an fy map, I got a silly amount of headshots with the colt, left the server to have some food came back without hacks, got 3 headshots with a scout and got banned for hacking.
I guess people get so used to getting killed a certain way as soon as something out of the ordinary happens they cry hacks.
My year in university were all avid CSers for about 3-4 years (they got me into it back in beta 3 I think) and by the end of the year we were trouncing most other players on the net who just couldn't put in the ludicrious hours we all did =3
Two of the guys ended up killing whole teams with just the knife... they scared me.
The worst thing that happened that people would probably think 'omg hacks' at (though a lot of what the year eventually got to was silly enough to make people's eyes boggle) was either the time that one guy took out 3/4s of the ct team in 2 AWP shots (triple headshot followed immediately by a double... I was the 2nd victim in that double) or every single match in as_oilrig. 5 of the people in my year had worked out exactly where the VIP spawned and could <b>headshot</b> it at the start of the level from almost anywhere with the AWP, ending it almost immediately after the round started; quite often there'd be 2 or 3 of them shooting at once meaning it was impossible for the VIP to actually survive o.O
There was also the infamous window jump where if you spawned near the CT start in oilrig you could do a daring jump from one narrow window to the other and kill the whole team while they were still buying weapons. It was funny because most people couldn't even comprehend that a T would get there so fast and would ignore you completely as if you were a CT while you killed everyone... it's a very surreal experience XD
Most of us also managed a lot of other 'magic shot' locations like capping whoever was using the camera in that warehouse one (Assault?). You'd just stand on the roof or on the ground and listen for someone using the camera then fire at a certain place... 9 out of 10 times you'd get a kill =3
I think everyone who played CS probably knew that one or a few of the others though ^^
<b>edit:</b> ick... looks like I'm boasting... the point I was getting at is that with enough time put in you can get so good at CS hacks are pointless and besides they just ruin the fun. Given the hours most people in my uni put in almost anyone could become lethal enough to take out whole teams single handedly; one or two of them were really good but I'd say the rest of us (like lil me) were just average gamers who spent too much time playing it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->