EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
Well, where is it wrong to try to hunt down a jp'er? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Aug 15 2004, 12:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Aug 15 2004, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am not a bad player at this game. For you, you may think getting a top score in a pub is an indicator of skill, but it's all relevent with the skill level of people you play with.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personally think only top level clanners should be the only ones with any justification of critizing others, because to do otherwise is rediculous as someone else is worlds better than you<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Therefore weggy is being a hypocrite, because he is calling the newb for being dumb when in fact his strategy is even dumber.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ...And this is why I said you were ignoring your own advice. Here it is again in case you've forgotten:
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Don't critize other players you'll just be a hypocrite<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Step 1: Bob the Onos acquires target--Heavy Armor or Jetpack Step 2: Bob the Onos attempts to get near his target and stomp's. Step 3: Bob the Onos will attempt to devour that target NO MATTER WHAT, while he could have gored down four LA's with Shotgun's and LMG's, until he devour's his target or die's. Step 4: Bob the Onos will hide behind a wall until the marine die's from devour because he's to afraid to die. Step 5: Bob the Onos repeat's step 1 to 4, accomplishing nothing for his team, and making the Onos less useful than a lvl 4 Skulk with focus.
Don't even get started on the typical combat fade. Just today infact i was watching a bunny hopping fade, at first i thought his blink slot was bugged as it does sometimes, but after i wacthed him die a couple of times, i realised... Whoa, he's a bunnyhopping fade.
The scary thing is he was a very good bunnyhopper, and was still getting a posative score, but he was racking up those deaths a little bit more then the usual fade =/
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Aug 15 2004, 03:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Aug 15 2004, 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, where is it wrong to try to hunt down a jp'er? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hunting down doesn't mean follow him rabidly like a drunken fly towards honey, it means wait until he goes in a vent or a small room where he can't maneuver and take him down. Or call in a lerk to do the job if you can't kill him, but if you and one teammate follow him around for the entire game he is basically nullifying two aliens without having to fire a shot, which <i>should</i> throw the advantage to the marines.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zek+Aug 15 2004, 05:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Aug 15 2004, 05:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Aug 15 2004, 12:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Aug 15 2004, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am not a bad player at this game. For you, you may think getting a top score in a pub is an indicator of skill, but it's all relevent with the skill level of people you play with.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personally think only top level clanners should be the only ones with any justification of critizing others, because to do otherwise is rediculous as someone else is worlds better than you<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Therefore weggy is being a hypocrite, because he is calling the newb for being dumb when in fact his strategy is even dumber.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ...And this is why I said you were ignoring your own advice. Here it is again in case you've forgotten:
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Don't critize other players you'll just be a hypocrite<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Zek, do you understand what a hypocrite is?
He is stating he thinks that combat players are stupid when he in fact is probably worse.
Therefore, him critizing other players for a bad performance is just wrong because he could probably start with himself.
The act itself of critizing is not hypocritical (which you seem to think), it's critizing other players when you are already worse.
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Aug 15 2004, 09:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Aug 15 2004, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zek, do you understand what a hypocrite is?
He is stating he thinks that combat players are stupid when he in fact is probably worse.
Therefore, him critizing other players for a bad performance is just wrong because he could probably start with himself.
The act itself of critizing is not hypocritical (which you seem to think), it's critizing other players when you are already worse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm just going on what you said. You told him not to criticize people, and then you went on to criticize people yourself, him included. If what you meant was "Only clanners earn the right to belittle people" then you should have said that instead. You more or less said that only those free of flaws are allowed to criticize, thus implying that you believe yourself to be in this category.
<!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Aug 15 2004, 09:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Aug 15 2004, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i like to troll and/or **** people off on an internet forum <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> exactly
<!--QuoteBegin-Zek+Aug 15 2004, 10:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Aug 15 2004, 10:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Aug 15 2004, 09:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Aug 15 2004, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zek, do you understand what a hypocrite is?
He is stating he thinks that combat players are stupid when he in fact is probably worse.
Therefore, him critizing other players for a bad performance is just wrong because he could probably start with himself.
The act itself of critizing is not hypocritical (which you seem to think), it's critizing other players when you are already worse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm just going on what you said. You told him not to criticize people, and then you went on to criticize people yourself, him included. If what you meant was "Only clanners earn the right to belittle people" then you should have said that instead. You more or less said that only those free of flaws are allowed to criticize, thus implying that you believe yourself to be in this category. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> wow
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Look at the first post and the name of the thread. Now compare to what you are talking about right now. Get it now?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I looked and still don't understand how we went so off-topic
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Aug 16 2004, 12:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Aug 16 2004, 12:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zek+Aug 15 2004, 10:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Aug 15 2004, 10:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Aug 15 2004, 09:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Aug 15 2004, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zek, do you understand what a hypocrite is?
He is stating he thinks that combat players are stupid when he in fact is probably worse.
Therefore, him critizing other players for a bad performance is just wrong because he could probably start with himself.
The act itself of critizing is not hypocritical (which you seem to think), it's critizing other players when you are already worse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm just going on what you said. You told him not to criticize people, and then you went on to criticize people yourself, him included. If what you meant was "Only clanners earn the right to belittle people" then you should have said that instead. You more or less said that only those free of flaws are allowed to criticize, thus implying that you believe yourself to be in this category. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> wow <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> whoa
Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
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<!--QuoteBegin-weggy+Aug 14 2004, 07:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (weggy @ Aug 14 2004, 07:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Im a psychology major. You'd think I could maybe understand people. I can't.
Simply put, people who play combat. The way I think this happens is:
Step 1: Joe the Skulk acquires target Step 2: Joe the Skulk attempts to get near his target. Sometimes he runs straight at you like a flaming idiot, sometimes he uses more insidious methods, like leap. Step 3: Joe the Skulk will attempt to kill that target NO MATTER WHAT. There could be 50 crippled marines in the room, Joe the Skulk will hunt down that Marine until either he dies, or Joe dies.
Am I the only one who knows when to just give up? Case in point: On a map I recently played, I just started jetting around the middle area. I had resupply, and the server was running the self-weld mod, so I could stay alive pretty much forever. Eventually, I had half the alien team just trying to kill me. Luckilly, none were Lerks. But it basically ended up being a 5 on 3 battle in the Marines favor, and the match was ended quickly.
I just don't get it. Am I the only other one, when seeing a JPer as a Skulk, just tries to run away and do something useful? Do other people behave this way?
Whatever the case, my new combat strategy is to fly around a large open area and attract the opposing team like flies on honey. It works amazingly well.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> In Layman's terms:
Weggy is fed up with players who keep making the same mistakes over and over without making any changes to the way that they play. Contrary to popular belief, the average player does not learn from his mistakes. Hence, the name of the thread: Your Average Combat Player Is As Smart As A Rock. Hence, the average player is pretty stupid. This isn't an insult at all. They simply cannot learn, because their learning mechanisms are corrupted.
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Meanwhile, you (Forlorn) are arguing that he (Weggy) has no right to state this observation because he is not perfect. "Don't critize other players you'll just be a hypocrite." (I'm not even going to go into demonstrating how ridiculous an assertion that is.) Of course, once you make an assertion, you go and bend the information in any possible direction to make yourself seem credible. Later you mention that Weggy proposed a strategy that is worse than what he mentioned as Joe's in his scenario.
<span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>"But I find it hilarious weggy thinks this player is stupid when in fact, he should be running away,</span> <span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'><b>presumably</span></b> back to the hive where he continues to run in circles as his hive dies."
<span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>"Therefore weggy is being a hypocrite, because he is calling the newb for being dumb when in fact</span> <b><span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>his strategy is even dumber.</span></b>"
<span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>"The act itself of critizing is not hypocritical (which you seem to think), it's critizing other players when </span><span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>you are already worse."</span>
(I'll add that you are starting to get a record of making things up along with going off-topic. 5kyh16h91 attempts to get this across to you, but obviously his efforts are not very productive. By the way, it is <a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=criticizing' target='_blank'>criticizing</a>.)
Then there's Zek, the protector of the newbies. Lack of experience has <u>nothing at all to do with the topic</u>, since the topic is about repeating the same mistakes over and over with no end. The problem is that no experience is gained or the experience fails to get integrated into the player's method.
Then there's Avenger and he promotes love and support for newbies in the hopes that they will evolve into seasoned players. Not those that are doomed to repeating the same motion over and over. Picture this: a fly hitting an invisible wall (of glass).
The other replies are basically a mix of the previous three examples and just random off-topic rambling.
ShockehIf a packet drops on the web and nobody's near to see it...Join Date: 2002-11-19Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-weggy+Aug 15 2004, 01:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (weggy @ Aug 15 2004, 01:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Step 3: Joe the Skulk will attempt to kill that target NO MATTER WHAT. There could be 50 crippled marines in the room, Joe the Skulk will hunt down that Marine until either he dies, or Joe dies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's a documented phenomenon, common in World War II fighter pilots. It's called Target Fixation.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sarisel+Aug 16 2004, 02:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sarisel @ Aug 16 2004, 02:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Then there's Zek, the protector of the newbies. Lack of experience has <u>nothing at all to do with the topic</u>, since the topic is about repeating the same mistakes over and over with no end. The problem is that no experience is gained or the experience fails to get integrated into the player's method. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I guess that's one interpretation, though an unfounded one seeing as there was no reference at all in the original post towards how often they repeat their mistakes. weggy makes no attempt to conclude if this player has been playing for a day or a year, so your assumption that the theoretical tard has been making this mistake for a very long time comes out of the blue.
We all do sometimes the same mistakes because playing a game not all your actions are driven by plain pure deliberations. Many action you're taking are based on instincts and by evaluating the current situation in one second.
Also there're different playing styles out there. The agressive player will decide different as a defensive player. A agressive wil tend to make more mistakes but on the other hand he will have other opportunities. A agressive player will end more often in situations of confrontation and will gain more experience.
The "average" player isn't stupid. He has a lower learning curve and not so developed instinct driven evaluating a situation. On my server i have seen complete newbies getting over-average players in a month and i see players staying on average even while playing for months on my server.
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...And this is why I said you were ignoring your own advice. Here it is again in case you've forgotten:
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Don't critize other players you'll just be a hypocrite<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Step 2: Bob the Onos attempts to get near his target and stomp's.
Step 3: Bob the Onos will attempt to devour that target NO MATTER WHAT, while he could have gored down four LA's with Shotgun's and LMG's, until he devour's his target or die's.
Step 4: Bob the Onos will hide behind a wall until the marine die's from devour because he's to afraid to die.
Step 5: Bob the Onos repeat's step 1 to 4, accomplishing nothing for his team, and making the Onos less useful than a lvl 4 Skulk with focus.
Typical combat Onos.
Just today infact i was watching a bunny hopping fade, at first i thought his blink slot was bugged as it does sometimes, but after i wacthed him die a couple of times, i realised...
Whoa, he's a bunnyhopping fade.
The scary thing is he was a very good bunnyhopper, and was still getting a posative score, but he was racking up those deaths a little bit more then the usual fade =/
Hunting down doesn't mean follow him rabidly like a drunken fly towards honey, it means wait until he goes in a vent or a small room where he can't maneuver and take him down. Or call in a lerk to do the job if you can't kill him, but if you and one teammate follow him around for the entire game he is basically nullifying two aliens without having to fire a shot, which <i>should</i> throw the advantage to the marines.
Understand that I'd told them all my plan of stomping so they could rush in for cheap and free rfk.
GG idiots eh.
...And this is why I said you were ignoring your own advice. Here it is again in case you've forgotten:
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Don't critize other players you'll just be a hypocrite<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Zek, do you understand what a hypocrite is?
He is stating he thinks that combat players are stupid when he in fact is probably worse.
Therefore, him critizing other players for a bad performance is just wrong because he could probably start with himself.
The act itself of critizing is not hypocritical (which you seem to think), it's critizing other players when you are already worse.
He is stating he thinks that combat players are stupid when he in fact is probably worse.
Therefore, him critizing other players for a bad performance is just wrong because he could probably start with himself.
The act itself of critizing is not hypocritical (which you seem to think), it's critizing other players when you are already worse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just going on what you said. You told him not to criticize people, and then you went on to criticize people yourself, him included. If what you meant was "Only clanners earn the right to belittle people" then you should have said that instead. You more or less said that only those free of flaws are allowed to criticize, thus implying that you believe yourself to be in this category.
exactly
huh? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok, here it is without me using any expletives.
Look at the first post and the name of the thread. Now compare to what you are talking about right now. Get it now?
He is stating he thinks that combat players are stupid when he in fact is probably worse.
Therefore, him critizing other players for a bad performance is just wrong because he could probably start with himself.
The act itself of critizing is not hypocritical (which you seem to think), it's critizing other players when you are already worse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just going on what you said. You told him not to criticize people, and then you went on to criticize people yourself, him included. If what you meant was "Only clanners earn the right to belittle people" then you should have said that instead. You more or less said that only those free of flaws are allowed to criticize, thus implying that you believe yourself to be in this category. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
wow
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Look at the first post and the name of the thread. Now compare to what you are talking about right now. Get it now?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I looked and still don't understand how we went so off-topic
He is stating he thinks that combat players are stupid when he in fact is probably worse.
Therefore, him critizing other players for a bad performance is just wrong because he could probably start with himself.
The act itself of critizing is not hypocritical (which you seem to think), it's critizing other players when you are already worse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just going on what you said. You told him not to criticize people, and then you went on to criticize people yourself, him included. If what you meant was "Only clanners earn the right to belittle people" then you should have said that instead. You more or less said that only those free of flaws are allowed to criticize, thus implying that you believe yourself to be in this category. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
wow <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
whoa
Simply put, people who play combat. The way I think this happens is:
Step 1: Joe the Skulk acquires target
Step 2: Joe the Skulk attempts to get near his target. Sometimes he runs straight at you like a flaming idiot, sometimes he uses more insidious methods, like leap.
Step 3: Joe the Skulk will attempt to kill that target NO MATTER WHAT. There could be 50 crippled marines in the room, Joe the Skulk will hunt down that Marine until either he dies, or Joe dies.
Am I the only one who knows when to just give up? Case in point: On a map I recently played, I just started jetting around the middle area. I had resupply, and the server was running the self-weld mod, so I could stay alive pretty much forever. Eventually, I had half the alien team just trying to kill me. Luckilly, none were Lerks. But it basically ended up being a 5 on 3 battle in the Marines favor, and the match was ended quickly.
I just don't get it. Am I the only other one, when seeing a JPer as a Skulk, just tries to run away and do something useful? Do other people behave this way?
Whatever the case, my new combat strategy is to fly around a large open area and attract the opposing team like flies on honey. It works amazingly well.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In Layman's terms:
Weggy is fed up with players who keep making the same mistakes over and over without making any changes to the way that they play. Contrary to popular belief, the average player does not learn from his mistakes. Hence, the name of the thread: Your Average Combat Player Is As Smart As A Rock. Hence, the average player is pretty stupid. This isn't an insult at all. They simply cannot learn, because their learning mechanisms are corrupted.
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Meanwhile, you (Forlorn) are arguing that he (Weggy) has no right to state this observation because he is not perfect. "Don't critize other players you'll just be a hypocrite." (I'm not even going to go into demonstrating how ridiculous an assertion that is.) Of course, once you make an assertion, you go and bend the information in any possible direction to make yourself seem credible. Later you mention that Weggy proposed a strategy that is worse than what he mentioned as Joe's in his scenario.
<span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>"But I find it hilarious weggy thinks this player is stupid when in fact, he should be running away,</span> <span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'><b>presumably</span></b> back to the hive where he continues to run in circles as his hive dies."
<span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>"Therefore weggy is being a hypocrite, because he is calling the newb for being dumb when in fact</span> <b><span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>his strategy is even dumber.</span></b>"
<span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>"The act itself of critizing is not hypocritical (which you seem to think), it's critizing other players when </span><span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>you are already worse."</span>
(I'll add that you are starting to get a record of making things up along with going off-topic. 5kyh16h91 attempts to get this across to you, but obviously his efforts are not very productive. By the way, it is <a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=criticizing' target='_blank'>criticizing</a>.)
Then there's Zek, the protector of the newbies. Lack of experience has <u>nothing at all to do with the topic</u>, since the topic is about repeating the same mistakes over and over with no end. The problem is that no experience is gained or the experience fails to get integrated into the player's method.
Then there's Avenger and he promotes love and support for newbies in the hopes that they will evolve into seasoned players. Not those that are doomed to repeating the same motion over and over. Picture this: a fly hitting an invisible wall (of glass).
The other replies are basically a mix of the previous three examples and just random off-topic rambling.
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It's a documented phenomenon, common in World War II fighter pilots. It's called Target Fixation.
I guess that's one interpretation, though an unfounded one seeing as there was no reference at all in the original post towards how often they repeat their mistakes. weggy makes no attempt to conclude if this player has been playing for a day or a year, so your assumption that the theoretical tard has been making this mistake for a very long time comes out of the blue.
Also there're different playing styles out there. The agressive player will decide different as a defensive player. A agressive wil tend to make more mistakes but on the other hand he will have other opportunities. A agressive player will end more often in situations of confrontation and will gain more experience.
The "average" player isn't stupid. He has a lower learning curve and not so developed instinct driven evaluating a situation. On my server i have seen complete newbies getting over-average players in a month and i see players staying on average even while playing for months on my server.