<!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Aug 6 2004, 09:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 6 2004, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Note: I don't know anything about anything.
Well, if they are scientists investigating pyraminds, the guns would seem a bit out of place. You ever watch the History Channel? They're not carry M16's when they unearth tombs or anything. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I remember another movie in which guns were added and made absolutely no sense.
Armageddon.
Remember that little lunar rover? With a freaking Gatling gun?!?! Because when I need to drill a hole in an asteroid, I need my absurdly-out-of-place-military-weapon-even-though-this-is-a-noncombat-mission-gimmick.
What kind of deranged engineer would design a gatling gun on a lunar rover anyway? Are we at war with the Moon-llamas or something?
<!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Aug 6 2004, 10:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Aug 6 2004, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Shockwave+Aug 6 2004, 02:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Aug 6 2004, 02:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The other reference is at the end of Predator 2. An observant person will notice in the trophy rack, alongside all the human and other skulls, there is in fact, a xenomorph skull stored sideways. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I remember hearing in either a 'making of', an interview, or whatever, that the alien skull was nothing but a joke. The team working on props or something also worked on the alien movies, so felt like putting it in. It, apparently, has no relevance whatsoever. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh, Actually I didn't saw that xenomorph skull at the first time. When I watched the movie second time, then I saw that. But one thing in the "Alien" (yeah, the first part) film reminded me a predator. Remember when they went to the lost spasheship, there was a moulded creature lieing on the chair with xenomorph half outside of its stomach. that ship wasn't humans, it was more like predators. That creature over there was a predator. And something killed that xenomorph when it reached out of the predators stomach.. I don't know if this was done purposly or not, but it makes sense in the AvP trilogy (Not Andersons crap).
Jeez, I thought Terminator 3 was really good. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/trailer/' target='_blank'>Official Trailer</a> <a href='http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/internet_exclusive/' target='_blank'>Apple Exclusive (Best) Trailer</a> (Okay, maybe I only think it's the best...but whatever) - this one also says "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" but I'm assuming it's a bit old.
The parts that really annoy me are the "Hey, let's change the Predators and Aliens because Paul Anderson has no right to alter the images of the aliens - but he's a director, so let's have him [bleep] everything up." esepcially with his fetish for the shurikens and making the Predator wristblades 4x longer.
Although after look at the 3 trailers, I'm thinking everything but the pyrmaid in the ice and a research team carrying guns makes sense (...that, and they have an obsession with the scene: "What did you say this room was?" and then the ugly dude says "Sacrifical chamber" with some terrible acting). I'm sure that'll be explained away in a scene involving non-sense and a large plothole.
The 4x claw, aside from providing very unsound strucutral levels appears to be just an extension of the claws (it looks like the Predator shoots it out to normal, original Predator length and then shoots it out longer).
And the shuriken? God knows what the [bleep] is up with the shuriken.
I'm sure it'll have some decent action - hopefully the lack of gore wont debase the series(es) too much. I'm sure it'll be decent to watch.
T3: The movie had excellent action scenes, but it was too unbelievable to do anything with. Terminatrix = terrible, [bleep] idea. That actress should be shot, along with the casting director. Not only is she the dumbest machine ever (figuratively and literally - She can get the girl in the grave yard - disguised as her fiance - but no! Wait, let's revert to original appearance so she can run away!). That and the huge plotholes ruin it.
Still one of the best car-destruction chases ever, along with the cool exiting the mousoleum scene.
I'm not sure what the rating was, but all the gore that WAS in the movie didn't have to be and it could have been switched with nudity when they teleport in, or gore in some other place (reaching through the seat to kill the driver driving to the graveyard; splashing blood on the photo when the fiance is killed).
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Re: the alien in the spaceship in "Alien" -- it is called a "Jockey" or "Pilot," and is not of any known race. Definitely not a Predator. AvP1 has a multiplayer map called "Jockey" that borrows a few rooms from that part of the movies (including the dude in the chair).
Re: PG13 rating -- bugger. /: Considering all 4 Alien movies and both Predator movies were rated R, I have a feeling the sterilizing of this one will be noticeable. I mean, look at two hallmark elements, one from each series: 1) Aliens - violent, convulsive, bloody death as a chestburster rips through its host's ribcage 2) Predator - skins its victims and leaves them hanging (in both movies, good guys followed a path of fresh blood to discover the corpses). Keeps the skulls as trophies.
Neither of those would survive a PG-13 rating. Just can't - too gory. Not to mention the sailor-class language in both films. "Game over man, game over! What are we gonna do now? We're ****ed! We're in some pretty **** now, man!" "You are one... <i>ugly</i> mother****er." Gone.
I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with this movie... the fan of both series (including Alien4, dammit) and both games in me really wants to go see a movie adaptation. The discerning film critic in me, however, is already weeping quietly in the corner.
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edited August 2004
About the guns, it'll probably be a basic thing like "We sent a research team in and they haven't reported back so we're going in to check up on them and we're not taking any chances." Or, as i *think* i've read/heard somewhere, the head of the company is going with them, and the gun toting hot-heads are his own personal bodyguards (as he seems to be "Bill Gates" level of richness and power). The "Research team gets lost" idea kinda makes sense too.... otherwise how are the aliens still alive in there after a few hundred/thousand years under the ice with no food or host bodies.
The predators have been shown to be a clan-based species, so weaponary is likely to vary between clans. Also, we've only ever seen them hunt after Humans so far, it makes sense they'd come equiped differently when facing Aliens (longer reaching weaponary, sharper things etc).
Most trailers only ever show the "action" scenes from the films so of course it's going to seem full of plotholes because you haven't seen any of the establishing scenes yet. And Paul Anderson isn't *that* bad of a director, he's just made films from games that have an enormous and very dedicated fanbase, so each and every little mistake is going to feel like a kick to the groin for most fans. My mom, for instance, has never played the Resident Evil games but she loves the film.
The movie isn't out yet, they are giving you teasers that will hopefully intrigue you enough to see the film and get you to go. Yes, they do show some of the good parts in trailers, but they don't show the BEST ones. Do you think they showed the part in TESB when Luke cables to the bottom of the AT-AT and pretty much owns it? I don't know, but I doubt they did, otherwise, that scene wouldn't be as memorable.
Also, <span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span> shows that you were thinking the movie was going to be great then changed your mind at the last second before it's released and you have seen it! Ex: I remember seeing the Alien: Regurtiation trailers and thought it would be a great movie all the way until it finished and I was sitting there, blinking at what had transpired. I then demanded that the theater owe me the past two hours of my life back that instant.
You have to keep an open mind about a lot of things otherwise you will miss out on a lot of great oppurtunities that you would have enjoyed. Yes, that means taking the bad too, but if you don't want to take the bad, then you aren't mature enough to handle the good either.
Coil: It could be that the standards for ratings could be lower by todays standards. Some of these GA games we have probably would have gotten a T or Ma rating a few years ago.
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Oh, one more thing - this one in Anderson's defense.
PG-13 is by far the best-attended rating in the box office movie industry. Younger and younger kids are beginning to have disposable income, and an R-rated movie is effectively inaccessible to anyone under 17. PG-13, however, can be seen by *anyone* and has become loose enough that you can still get a fair bit of mahem into it.
Production companies, therefore, are really big on PG-13 right now, because it maximizes profit in what has become a very expensive industry. Chances are the PG-13 rating for AvP wasn't Anderson's idea, regardless of whether or not he agreed with it. Fox probably told him "We want you to make AvP. We'll give you this much money, you have to do it in this many months, and oh yeah - it has to be PG-13." I wouldn't be surprised if an unrated Director's Cut is later released on DVD.
So my point is, don't blame Anderson entirely. Blame effing FOX. _____
And a tangent: 5th Element absolutely rocked, even though Anderson needs to die because he stole Milla Jovovich from me. I also really enjoyed Resident Evil (again, I seem to be in a distinct minority there) as a new "reimagination" (I hate that word) of the concepts behind the games.
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5th element was roxor because it was luc besson <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Aliens on modern day Earth, in Antarctica, in a buried/frozen temple, built by humans who worshipped Predators.
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By the way, anyone care to explain to me why the Aliens in this film look like carbon copies of the genetically engineered part-human Aliens in Alien Resurrection?
By all rights they should look like ones from Alien/Aliens (Alien perhaps because thats our "purest" source, and Aliens because thats what happens when the Queen is borne from a human host in human environs - no protective cowl on the head). Why halfhuman GE ones?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->??
This has the potential to be as dire as "Code Red: The Rubicon Conspiracy".
Whats the chances its Resident Evil only Aliens replace zombies, traps replace the computer defence system, and Preds replace the dogs? And the big climax isn't a licker, its a Predalien! OH NOES!! MY CLICHE SPLEEN IS DYYYYYYIIIIIIINGGG!11
<!--QuoteBegin-coil+Aug 6 2004, 02:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Aug 6 2004, 02:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And a tangent: 5th Element absolutely rocked, even though Anderson needs to die because he stole Milla Jovovich from me. I also really enjoyed Resident Evil (again, I seem to be in a distinct minority there) as a new "reimagination" (I hate that word) of the concepts behind the games. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Pffft, Resident Evil is a fine movie by itself - but if you try to compare it with the games in any way (that's right ANY way) you'll get shot down, because the only relation they have is zombies.
Except that doesn't work with AvP. It's a movie based off a comic book/Jaguar game based off of two seperate movies. With that much material you can't deviate so much and create fantastic plot holes. It just doesn't work.
I hope it's an excellent movie, I really do. I hope there's no giant plot hole revolving around why everyone has guns. I hope there's no retardedness in how the characters act. I hope there's no giant focus on the those idiotic shurikens. I hope the 4x long wristblades don't become tacky and ridiculous (and as it looks like he brings them out to normal length first, it doesn't bug me as much - that and the fact they actually grow twice as long in the original Predator movie - I just remembere dthat part <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
If nothing else, it'll definately be worth the $7.50 to see it. Even if it's soley for B-movie quality, special effects, interesting events or awesome AvP plot like elements and superb acting(okay, maybe that last one is a long shot).
On a side note: Milla Jovovich needs to be in more stuff. 5th Element = t3h b0x0r r0x0r...or something (the chase scene is one of my favorite movie scene ever, it's got comedy, action and fitting music). Plus it's one of the few good movies that doesn't have a forced sequel.
maybe they will not make the game look to bad....maybe <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Aug 6 2004, 01:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Aug 6 2004, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 5th Element = t3h b0x0r r0x0r...or something (the chase scene is one of my favorite movie scene ever, it's got comedy, action and fitting music). Plus it's one of the few good movies that doesn't have a forced sequel. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ERIC SERRA: luc besson (director of la femme nikita, leon, fifth element, etc)'s favorite composer. ever wonder why the music is the sh*t in every one of luc's movies? he's why. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
one quick Q you said the geeky people have like big ol machine guns...
are they smart guns? if so then the movie is saved <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
First of all it is disapointing to see AvP get a PG-13 rating. That said, you can get away with a surprising amount in PG-13 these days. Much more than you could 10 years ago. A PG-13 rating does not mean the film will automatically suck. I watched Robocop a while ago; when it came out it was R-18. Now it's M-15. Times change.
Can we not bring up the comics? See the movie for what it is, a movie. Yes, it's drawing on material from elsewhere, but you can still make a fantastic movie even if you alter the base material. The best case of that would be Lord of the Rings. They changed stuff and it worked brilliantly. Of course legions of purists denounced it, but myself, despite having read Tolkien's work and quite liking it, went along to judge the movies as movies. And they were fantastic. Same goes for Resident Evil; I went to see a movie, which I thought was great. Coil, you're not alone <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
What is with the hatred for shurikans? Lets compare the Predators from the two Predator movies. My memory might be a little fuzzy, but I don't recall the Predator in Predator 1 having that extendable lance, or an explosive fired net. My god, you mean they *added* weapons in? Teh horr0r! We have seen the grand total of 2 Predators in action in the movies (yeah you see a few more in Predator 2 but you barely see what weapons they have) and they had differant weapons. You're talking about a race of hunters; is it little wonder differant individuals will have differant hunting weapons? We know these guys have been coming to Earth for some time now; is it *that* hard to think that perhaps they saw a shurikan being used and thought "Hey, this is a nifty weapon, I think I'll make one for myself".
The wristblades: again, differant hunters, differant weapons. Heck, they're hunting differant *prey*, namely aliens. A normal sized wristblade might be fine for penetrating a human's chest, but an alien's organs might be much deeper and better protected. Hence, longer blades. Yes, they look like they might snap off. If you built them with Earth technology. These are hyper-advanced aliens. Who knows what they can build, what alloys they can forge. I'm willing to bet those blades will be quite strong enough.
Look at it this way. Everyone who sees one of these game to movie conversions is taking us one step closer to NS: The Movie, a Paul Anderson film.
Second, I will concede there are some lovely plot points in AvP. The idea that the Company was looking for Aliens, that Ash may have been deliberately planted because the Company KNEW the Aliens were out there, is an interesting one.
Its a weird science team in the Antarctic, with a military presence because of the billionaire industrialist. So we see guns are in.
The Daniken stuff is....... cliche at best.
The worrying bits are the low rating - Tomb Raider, Underworld, etc, were PG 13 iirc and one cut from Tomb Raider was of someone being headbutted. Not shot, or killed, but HEADBUTTED. Now, I expect we'll see plenty of Alien on Pred gore, because they're not human and thus they can dissolve in acid in slow mo and it'll pass censor. However, I don't expect to see any humans dying to chestbursters. Alien Resurrection was an R and only had 1 burster scene.
If we look at IMDB's sci fi horror for the years 1990 to 2010 with a USA PG 13 rating, we see such fantastic films as:
Eight Legged Freaks Critters 4 Every Jurassic Park film Signs Tremors, Tremors II, and Tremors 4
With most of gore being focused on the aliens/dinosaurs/monsters, and IMPLIED gore on the humans.
So chance of AvP rucking is high, but likely not involving human body parts.
The shurikens, why do people dislike them? Why does Anderson devote half his preview reel to showing them off??? Yes, I suspect we're going to see lots of "cool" and "dyanmic" CGI shurikens flying about like extras from Underworld. You do not sell a film on gadgets.
Again, there is a counterpoint. Anderson says he's a huge fan, and fair enough he could just be frothing over stuff. However, thats only how you sell a film to the easily impressed. Yet on another preview he talks about how you don't see any real rucking until well into the film.
I think it'll be...... interesting. Parts of it I don't like, but parts of it will work. But I really don't want to see a colossal cliche.
As a side note, I sort of liked RE..... I was more wanting a film closer to the game, something that really felt like RE, as opposed to strange wallrunning matrix dog kicking. However I left the cinema feeling that they could have changed the plot to remove any link to RE and STILL have kept the film in its entirety.
<!--QuoteBegin-Necrosis+Aug 6 2004, 08:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Aug 6 2004, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Second, I will concede there are some lovely plot points in AvP. The idea that the Company was looking for Aliens, that Ash may have been deliberately planted because the Company KNEW the Aliens were out there, is an interesting one.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Through the excitement of my OXM disc; the actor who plays Bishop says he's a scientist guy (not quoted <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ), who does stuff for the company which eventually gets him copied in later forms of androids...although that's a bit strange that his great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson looks the same in Alien 3...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The worrying bits are the low rating - Tomb Raider, Underworld, etc, were PG 13 iirc and one cut from Tomb Raider was of someone being headbutted. Not shot, or killed, but HEADBUTTED. Now, I expect we'll see plenty of Alien on Pred gore, because they're not human and thus they can dissolve in acid in slow mo and it'll pass censor. However, I don't expect to see any humans dying to chestbursters. Alien Resurrection was an R and only had 1 burster scene.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, I'm sure it'll just be an off-screen chestburster or something from an original science team or something. I never found it a real integral or scary part of the Alien movies, so that doesn't really bother me. Alien and Predator gore is pretty much mandatory - I can see a room glowing phosphorescent green with acid holes already.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If we look at IMDB's sci fi horror for the years 1990 to 2010 with a USA PG 13 rating, we see such fantastic films as:<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Few edits for you:
Eight Legged Freaks (not superb, but I'll give it to you) Critters 4 (never saw it) Every Jurassic Park film <s>Signs</s> No, and no. Should have been G... Tremors, Tremors II, <b>Tremors III </b> (Assblasters wins by default <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> - and I'm aware its rated PG, but it's better than 4)and <s>Tremors 4</s> <b>Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade</b> (the only PG-13 Jones' movie, not really in any danger of being rated R...probably be PG now)
[I don't know why I bothered to do that, but I don't really have a problem with the rating <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ]
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->With most of gore being focused on the aliens/dinosaurs/monsters, and IMPLIED gore on the humans.
So chance of AvP rucking is high, but likely not involving human body parts.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The shurikens, why do people dislike them? Why does Anderson devote half his preview reel to showing them off??? Yes, I suspect we're going to see lots of "cool" and "dyanmic" CGI shurikens flying about like extras from Underworld. You do not sell a film on gadgets.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm going to vote because he spent 5 minutes talking about the damn things. They better show up once in the movie, because they're not all that impressive. They better have the electric pistol from the first PC game if they have these shurikens (man, thinking about that - it'd be awesome to watch actors seizure in place like they got hit by the pistol).
There's also the wristblades, which I've commented on twice and I don't think requires another goal if you'd read the previous posts before you post. It better be 10% actors, 80% action scenes/drama between the species, 10% no live actors/scenery shots.
GenduShini: I don't care what people think about the rating on the Alien vs. Predator movie. It's gonna be awesome, despite PG-13. Even more so if you detach it from the comics and/or games GenduShini: I mean...come on. It has Predators. And Aliens. And humans in the middle! What the **** is not to love?!
Of course lets not forget AvP book one, which had very little in the way of human gore and was still a good story.
I dunno, in my mind the jury is still out... I'm very wary of being disappointed, but then in recent years the Alien films have been disappointing, with far too much input from Fox. I know its their cash cow but holy hell you think they'd let people play with it a bit more...... and hopefully this is what we'll get with AvP. At worst, it'll be a colossal cliche with nothing to make you forget its a colossal cliche..
Ok, I've only read the first page and I'm sick and tired of yall saying it is going to suck just because it is pg-13. You don't realize what's the difference between a rated R movie and one that's pg-13. Yes, some pg-13 movies are total bull but then again so are some rated R movies.
An actor can say one line and the movie will be rated R, because of that one line or one phrase or word, etc. Just because a movie is PG-13 does not mean it will suck, it just means people won't be saying F*YOU every 10 seconds.
For those who are actually hard-core Aliens or Predator fans, actually do some research and look up what the movie is about and why they have certain things in the film. Do not just assume from the preview that it will be good or bad. Look at 'The Village', the preview is nothing like the actually movie. Do not judge a book by the cover.
Honestly and truly I think the movie has much potential just from what I've seen and read about it. It has a great possibility of sucking but then again it could be the greatest movie of the summer.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ambassador+Aug 6 2004, 10:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ambassador @ Aug 6 2004, 10:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For those who are actually hard-core Aliens or Predator fans, actually do some research and look up what the movie is about and why they have certain things in the film. Do not just assume from the preview that it will be good or bad. Look at 'The Village', the preview is nothing like the actually movie. Do not judge a book by the cover.
Honestly and truly I think the movie has much potential just from what I've seen and read about it. It has a great possibility of sucking but then again it could be the greatest movie of the summer. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bah, the previews for that were boring, and it sounds like the movie was pretty boring aswell, so pffft or something.
...And: 1 page is never enough <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
That said; just so everybody knows, the Predator special edition DVD is due out sometime soon. Best Buy has it marked at $17.99 currently...it has cool featurettes and a tribute to Kevin Peter Hall (the really tall guy who died of AIDS a while ago who played the Predator in both movies).
Okay, only geeks buy stuff for the extra features (aside from blooper reels and extra scenes), but still...Buy it! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Necrosis+Aug 6 2004, 01:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Aug 6 2004, 01:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> By the way, anyone care to explain to me why the Aliens in this film look like carbon copies of the genetically engineered part-human Aliens in Alien Resurrection?
By all rights they should look like ones from Alien/Aliens (Alien perhaps because thats our "purest" source, and Aliens because thats what happens when the Queen is borne from a human host in human environs - no protective cowl on the head). Why halfhuman GE ones?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->??
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uhm, I don't know what you're seeing in the previews, but the aliens in this one are the same in all of them. The aliens were always bipedal, but they could run on four legs and did because it's faster, the only way to climb, and makes them smaller targets. They only stand on two when they are near striking range of you. If you are talking about that abomination alien in regurgitation, the one you are seeing in AvP is probably a quick glimpse at the Predalien (supposed to have one in there, not sure if they still do.) In Alien and Aliens, you only get a quick glimpse of an entire xenomorph, that's because the costumes were expensive so they probably made some budget cuts with minor leg detail if any. The only alien in the first two you see a long view of it's legs is the queen.
Also, aliens take on the form of their host, so if it's a human, they are the standard drones you see, a dog or cat, the brown really quick one you see in A3, etc... How the offical story goes, the queen is pretty much always started out of a drone, then if it is brought into an area with no queen or is going to be a future queen, it under goes a change and if I recall correctly, becomes a Praetorian. (Big, strong, vicious aliens that look like a queen, minus the 100 arms.)
On the subject of RE, I liked it. Of course, I'm a huge zombie fan, like playing/watching games/movies with them. If you didn't know also, it's comming on SciFi today (Saturday) at 9E/8C PM, an entire day of ZOMBIE MOVIES!
Cowled Alien from Alien Cowl-less Alien from Aliens Runner Alien from Alien 3 GE Alien from Alien Resurrection NEWBORN Alie from Alien Resurrection
Now, if we assume the cowled alien has a cowl because its host was exposed to the nasty atmosphere of LV 426 (dust storms bad, use cowl to protect head), and that the cowlless is due to better atmospheric conditions (no cowl needed to protect sensitive headbits)........... and that the Runner alien is borne from a dog, then that covers all the normal aliens.
In Resurrection the Aliens making up most of the screen time are the product of a human host with eggs from a part-Ripley Queen. They have big thick stupid corded necks. Their tails have a large flattened paddle area. Double backed legs. Even more well defined lips than the Dog-Runner. Odd stuff.
The Alien we see only a little of is the Newborn, being what happens when the part-Ripley Queen gives birth by more human means.
Now, why do the AvP aliens look like the Resurrection Aliens? They shouldn't! They're not genetically engineered part human hybrids, for one. They're the normal product of a human host - they should be more like Alien or Aliens style scuttlers. Its a shame because the Resurrection aliens look dire compared to the originals.
If you think the Aliens all look the same throughout the 5 films (I count AvP as an Alien film) then you really need to look again.
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Well, if they are scientists investigating pyraminds, the guns would seem a bit out of place. You ever watch the History Channel? They're not carry M16's when they unearth tombs or anything. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I remember another movie in which guns were added and made absolutely no sense.
Armageddon.
Remember that little lunar rover? With a freaking Gatling gun?!?! Because when I need to drill a hole in an asteroid, I need my absurdly-out-of-place-military-weapon-even-though-this-is-a-noncombat-mission-gimmick.
What kind of deranged engineer would design a gatling gun on a lunar rover anyway? Are we at war with the Moon-llamas or something?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I remember hearing in either a 'making of', an interview, or whatever, that the alien skull was nothing but a joke. The team working on props or something also worked on the alien movies, so felt like putting it in. It, apparently, has no relevance whatsoever. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh, Actually I didn't saw that xenomorph skull at the first time. When I watched the movie second time, then I saw that. But one thing in the "Alien" (yeah, the first part) film reminded me a predator. Remember when they went to the lost spasheship, there was a moulded creature lieing on the chair with xenomorph half outside of its stomach. that ship wasn't humans, it was more like predators. That creature over there was a predator. And something killed that xenomorph when it reached out of the predators stomach.. I don't know if this was done purposly or not, but it makes sense in the AvP trilogy (Not Andersons crap).
and this thread is so pointless, official yeah right, watch the movie first then complain
<a href='http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/internet_exclusive/' target='_blank'>Apple Exclusive (Best) Trailer</a> (Okay, maybe I only think it's the best...but whatever) - this one also says "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" but I'm assuming it's a bit old.
The parts that really annoy me are the "Hey, let's change the Predators and Aliens because Paul Anderson has no right to alter the images of the aliens - but he's a director, so let's have him [bleep] everything up." esepcially with his fetish for the shurikens and making the Predator wristblades 4x longer.
Although after look at the 3 trailers, I'm thinking everything but the pyrmaid in the ice and a research team carrying guns makes sense (...that, and they have an obsession with the scene: "What did you say this room was?" and then the ugly dude says "Sacrifical chamber" with some terrible acting). I'm sure that'll be explained away in a scene involving non-sense and a large plothole.
The 4x claw, aside from providing very unsound strucutral levels appears to be just an extension of the claws (it looks like the Predator shoots it out to normal, original Predator length and then shoots it out longer).
And the shuriken? God knows what the [bleep] is up with the shuriken.
I'm sure it'll have some decent action - hopefully the lack of gore wont debase the series(es) too much. I'm sure it'll be decent to watch.
T3: The movie had excellent action scenes, but it was too unbelievable to do anything with. Terminatrix = terrible, [bleep] idea. That actress should be shot, along with the casting director. Not only is she the dumbest machine ever (figuratively and literally - She can get the girl in the grave yard - disguised as her fiance - but no! Wait, let's revert to original appearance so she can run away!). That and the huge plotholes ruin it.
Still one of the best car-destruction chases ever, along with the cool exiting the mousoleum scene.
I'm not sure what the rating was, but all the gore that WAS in the movie didn't have to be and it could have been switched with nudity when they teleport in, or gore in some other place (reaching through the seat to kill the driver driving to the graveyard; splashing blood on the photo when the fiance is killed).
<span style='font-size:2pt;line-height:100%'>btw how does " shits " get thru the swear filter</span>
Re: PG13 rating -- bugger. /: Considering all 4 Alien movies and both Predator movies were rated R, I have a feeling the sterilizing of this one will be noticeable. I mean, look at two hallmark elements, one from each series:
1) Aliens - violent, convulsive, bloody death as a chestburster rips through its host's ribcage
2) Predator - skins its victims and leaves them hanging (in both movies, good guys followed a path of fresh blood to discover the corpses). Keeps the skulls as trophies.
Neither of those would survive a PG-13 rating. Just can't - too gory. Not to mention the sailor-class language in both films. "Game over man, game over! What are we gonna do now? We're ****ed! We're in some pretty **** now, man!" "You are one... <i>ugly</i> mother****er." Gone.
I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with this movie... the fan of both series (including Alien4, dammit) and both games in me really wants to go see a movie adaptation. The discerning film critic in me, however, is already weeping quietly in the corner.
The predators have been shown to be a clan-based species, so weaponary is likely to vary between clans. Also, we've only ever seen them hunt after Humans so far, it makes sense they'd come equiped differently when facing Aliens (longer reaching weaponary, sharper things etc).
Most trailers only ever show the "action" scenes from the films so of course it's going to seem full of plotholes because you haven't seen any of the establishing scenes yet. And Paul Anderson isn't *that* bad of a director, he's just made films from games that have an enormous and very dedicated fanbase, so each and every little mistake is going to feel like a kick to the groin for most fans. My mom, for instance, has never played the Resident Evil games but she loves the film.
(Ninja Edit. BONZAI!)
The movie isn't out yet, they are giving you teasers that will hopefully intrigue you enough to see the film and get you to go. Yes, they do show some of the good parts in trailers, but they don't show the BEST ones. Do you think they showed the part in TESB when Luke cables to the bottom of the AT-AT and pretty much owns it? I don't know, but I doubt they did, otherwise, that scene wouldn't be as memorable.
Also, <span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span> shows that you were thinking the movie was going to be great then changed your mind at the last second before it's released and you have seen it! Ex: I remember seeing the Alien: Regurtiation trailers and thought it would be a great movie all the way until it finished and I was sitting there, blinking at what had transpired. I then demanded that the theater owe me the past two hours of my life back that instant.
You have to keep an open mind about a lot of things otherwise you will miss out on a lot of great oppurtunities that you would have enjoyed. Yes, that means taking the bad too, but if you don't want to take the bad, then you aren't mature enough to handle the good either.
Coil: It could be that the standards for ratings could be lower by todays standards. Some of these GA games we have probably would have gotten a T or Ma rating a few years ago.
PG-13 is by far the best-attended rating in the box office movie industry. Younger and younger kids are beginning to have disposable income, and an R-rated movie is effectively inaccessible to anyone under 17. PG-13, however, can be seen by *anyone* and has become loose enough that you can still get a fair bit of mahem into it.
Production companies, therefore, are really big on PG-13 right now, because it maximizes profit in what has become a very expensive industry. Chances are the PG-13 rating for AvP wasn't Anderson's idea, regardless of whether or not he agreed with it. Fox probably told him "We want you to make AvP. We'll give you this much money, you have to do it in this many months, and oh yeah - it has to be PG-13." I wouldn't be surprised if an unrated Director's Cut is later released on DVD.
So my point is, don't blame Anderson entirely. Blame effing FOX.
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And a tangent: 5th Element absolutely rocked, even though Anderson needs to die because he stole Milla Jovovich from me. I also really enjoyed Resident Evil (again, I seem to be in a distinct minority there) as a new "reimagination" (I hate that word) of the concepts behind the games.
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By the way, anyone care to explain to me why the Aliens in this film look like carbon copies of the genetically engineered part-human Aliens in Alien Resurrection?
By all rights they should look like ones from Alien/Aliens (Alien perhaps because thats our "purest" source, and Aliens because thats what happens when the Queen is borne from a human host in human environs - no protective cowl on the head). Why halfhuman GE ones?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->??
This has the potential to be as dire as "Code Red: The Rubicon Conspiracy".
Whats the chances its Resident Evil only Aliens replace zombies, traps replace the computer defence system, and Preds replace the dogs? And the big climax isn't a licker, its a Predalien! OH NOES!! MY CLICHE SPLEEN IS DYYYYYYIIIIIIINGGG!11
Pffft, Resident Evil is a fine movie by itself - but if you try to compare it with the games in any way (that's right ANY way) you'll get shot down, because the only relation they have is zombies.
Except that doesn't work with AvP. It's a movie based off a comic book/Jaguar game based off of two seperate movies. With that much material you can't deviate so much and create fantastic plot holes. It just doesn't work.
I hope it's an excellent movie, I really do. I hope there's no giant plot hole revolving around why everyone has guns. I hope there's no retardedness in how the characters act. I hope there's no giant focus on the those idiotic shurikens. I hope the 4x long wristblades don't become tacky and ridiculous (and as it looks like he brings them out to normal length first, it doesn't bug me as much - that and the fact they actually grow twice as long in the original Predator movie - I just remembere dthat part <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
If nothing else, it'll definately be worth the $7.50 to see it. Even if it's soley for B-movie quality, special effects, interesting events or awesome AvP plot like elements and superb acting(okay, maybe that last one is a long shot).
On a side note: Milla Jovovich needs to be in more stuff. 5th Element = t3h b0x0r r0x0r...or something (the chase scene is one of my favorite movie scene ever, it's got comedy, action and fitting music). Plus it's one of the few good movies that doesn't have a forced sequel.
maybe they will not make the game look to bad....maybe <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ERIC SERRA: luc besson (director of la femme nikita, leon, fifth element, etc)'s favorite composer. ever wonder why the music is the sh*t in every one of luc's movies? he's why. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
are they smart guns? if so then the movie is saved <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
First of all it is disapointing to see AvP get a PG-13 rating. That said, you can get away with a surprising amount in PG-13 these days. Much more than you could 10 years ago. A PG-13 rating does not mean the film will automatically suck. I watched Robocop a while ago; when it came out it was R-18. Now it's M-15. Times change.
Can we not bring up the comics? See the movie for what it is, a movie. Yes, it's drawing on material from elsewhere, but you can still make a fantastic movie even if you alter the base material. The best case of that would be Lord of the Rings. They changed stuff and it worked brilliantly. Of course legions of purists denounced it, but myself, despite having read Tolkien's work and quite liking it, went along to judge the movies as movies. And they were fantastic. Same goes for Resident Evil; I went to see a movie, which I thought was great. Coil, you're not alone <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
What is with the hatred for shurikans? Lets compare the Predators from the two Predator movies. My memory might be a little fuzzy, but I don't recall the Predator in Predator 1 having that extendable lance, or an explosive fired net. My god, you mean they *added* weapons in? Teh horr0r! We have seen the grand total of 2 Predators in action in the movies (yeah you see a few more in Predator 2 but you barely see what weapons they have) and they had differant weapons. You're talking about a race of hunters; is it little wonder differant individuals will have differant hunting weapons? We know these guys have been coming to Earth for some time now; is it *that* hard to think that perhaps they saw a shurikan being used and thought "Hey, this is a nifty weapon, I think I'll make one for myself".
The wristblades: again, differant hunters, differant weapons. Heck, they're hunting differant *prey*, namely aliens. A normal sized wristblade might be fine for penetrating a human's chest, but an alien's organs might be much deeper and better protected. Hence, longer blades. Yes, they look like they might snap off. If you built them with Earth technology. These are hyper-advanced aliens. Who knows what they can build, what alloys they can forge. I'm willing to bet those blades will be quite strong enough.
Second, I will concede there are some lovely plot points in AvP. The idea that the Company was looking for Aliens, that Ash may have been deliberately planted because the Company KNEW the Aliens were out there, is an interesting one.
Its a weird science team in the Antarctic, with a military presence because of the billionaire industrialist. So we see guns are in.
The Daniken stuff is....... cliche at best.
The worrying bits are the low rating - Tomb Raider, Underworld, etc, were PG 13 iirc and one cut from Tomb Raider was of someone being headbutted. Not shot, or killed, but HEADBUTTED. Now, I expect we'll see plenty of Alien on Pred gore, because they're not human and thus they can dissolve in acid in slow mo and it'll pass censor. However, I don't expect to see any humans dying to chestbursters. Alien Resurrection was an R and only had 1 burster scene.
If we look at IMDB's sci fi horror for the years 1990 to 2010 with a USA PG 13 rating, we see such fantastic films as:
Eight Legged Freaks
Critters 4
Every Jurassic Park film
Signs
Tremors, Tremors II, and Tremors 4
With most of gore being focused on the aliens/dinosaurs/monsters, and IMPLIED gore on the humans.
So chance of AvP rucking is high, but likely not involving human body parts.
The shurikens, why do people dislike them? Why does Anderson devote half his preview reel to showing them off??? Yes, I suspect we're going to see lots of "cool" and "dyanmic" CGI shurikens flying about like extras from Underworld. You do not sell a film on gadgets.
Again, there is a counterpoint. Anderson says he's a huge fan, and fair enough he could just be frothing over stuff. However, thats only how you sell a film to the easily impressed. Yet on another preview he talks about how you don't see any real rucking until well into the film.
I think it'll be...... interesting. Parts of it I don't like, but parts of it will work. But I really don't want to see a colossal cliche.
As a side note, I sort of liked RE..... I was more wanting a film closer to the game, something that really felt like RE, as opposed to strange wallrunning matrix dog kicking. However I left the cinema feeling that they could have changed the plot to remove any link to RE and STILL have kept the film in its entirety.
Through the excitement of my OXM disc; the actor who plays Bishop says he's a scientist guy (not quoted <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ), who does stuff for the company which eventually gets him copied in later forms of androids...although that's a bit strange that his great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson looks the same in Alien 3...
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Well, I'm sure it'll just be an off-screen chestburster or something from an original science team or something. I never found it a real integral or scary part of the Alien movies, so that doesn't really bother me. Alien and Predator gore is pretty much mandatory - I can see a room glowing phosphorescent green with acid holes already.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If we look at IMDB's sci fi horror for the years 1990 to 2010 with a USA PG 13 rating, we see such fantastic films as:<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Few edits for you:
Eight Legged Freaks (not superb, but I'll give it to you)
Critters 4 (never saw it)
Every Jurassic Park film
<s>Signs</s> No, and no. Should have been G...
Tremors, Tremors II, <b>Tremors III </b> (Assblasters wins by default <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> - and I'm aware its rated PG, but it's better than 4)and <s>Tremors 4</s>
<b>Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade</b> (the only PG-13 Jones' movie, not really in any danger of being rated R...probably be PG now)
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I'm going to vote because he spent 5 minutes talking about the damn things. They better show up once in the movie, because they're not all that impressive. They better have the electric pistol from the first PC game if they have these shurikens (man, thinking about that - it'd be awesome to watch actors seizure in place like they got hit by the pistol).
There's also the wristblades, which I've commented on twice and I don't think requires another goal if you'd read the previous posts before you post. It better be 10% actors, 80% action scenes/drama between the species, 10% no live actors/scenery shots.
GenduShini: I mean...come on. It has Predators. And Aliens. And humans in the middle! What the **** is not to love?!
Pretty much my views summed up on AIM.
Of course lets not forget AvP book one, which had very little in the way of human gore and was still a good story.
I dunno, in my mind the jury is still out... I'm very wary of being disappointed, but then in recent years the Alien films have been disappointing, with far too much input from Fox. I know its their cash cow but holy hell you think they'd let people play with it a bit more...... and hopefully this is what we'll get with AvP. At worst, it'll be a colossal cliche with nothing to make you forget its a colossal cliche..
An actor can say one line and the movie will be rated R, because of that one line or one phrase or word, etc. Just because a movie is PG-13 does not mean it will suck, it just means people won't be saying F*YOU every 10 seconds.
For those who are actually hard-core Aliens or Predator fans, actually do some research and look up what the movie is about and why they have certain things in the film. Do not just assume from the preview that it will be good or bad. Look at 'The Village', the preview is nothing like the actually movie. Do not judge a book by the cover.
Honestly and truly I think the movie has much potential just from what I've seen and read about it. It has a great possibility of sucking but then again it could be the greatest movie of the summer.
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Bah, the previews for that were boring, and it sounds like the movie was pretty boring aswell, so pffft or something.
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That said; just so everybody knows, the Predator special edition DVD is due out sometime soon. Best Buy has it marked at $17.99 currently...it has cool featurettes and a tribute to Kevin Peter Hall (the really tall guy who died of AIDS a while ago who played the Predator in both movies).
Okay, only geeks buy stuff for the extra features (aside from blooper reels and extra scenes), but still...Buy it! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
By all rights they should look like ones from Alien/Aliens (Alien perhaps because thats our "purest" source, and Aliens because thats what happens when the Queen is borne from a human host in human environs - no protective cowl on the head). Why halfhuman GE ones?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->??
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Uhm, I don't know what you're seeing in the previews, but the aliens in this one are the same in all of them. The aliens were always bipedal, but they could run on four legs and did because it's faster, the only way to climb, and makes them smaller targets. They only stand on two when they are near striking range of you. If you are talking about that abomination alien in regurgitation, the one you are seeing in AvP is probably a quick glimpse at the Predalien (supposed to have one in there, not sure if they still do.) In Alien and Aliens, you only get a quick glimpse of an entire xenomorph, that's because the costumes were expensive so they probably made some budget cuts with minor leg detail if any. The only alien in the first two you see a long view of it's legs is the queen.
Also, aliens take on the form of their host, so if it's a human, they are the standard drones you see, a dog or cat, the brown really quick one you see in A3, etc... How the offical story goes, the queen is pretty much always started out of a drone, then if it is brought into an area with no queen or is going to be a future queen, it under goes a change and if I recall correctly, becomes a Praetorian. (Big, strong, vicious aliens that look like a queen, minus the 100 arms.)
On the subject of RE, I liked it. Of course, I'm a huge zombie fan, like playing/watching games/movies with them. If you didn't know also, it's comming on SciFi today (Saturday) at 9E/8C PM, an entire day of ZOMBIE MOVIES!
Cowled Alien from Alien
Cowl-less Alien from Aliens
Runner Alien from Alien 3
GE Alien from Alien Resurrection
NEWBORN Alie from Alien Resurrection
Now, if we assume the cowled alien has a cowl because its host was exposed to the nasty atmosphere of LV 426 (dust storms bad, use cowl to protect head), and that the cowlless is due to better atmospheric conditions (no cowl needed to protect sensitive headbits)........... and that the Runner alien is borne from a dog, then that covers all the normal aliens.
In Resurrection the Aliens making up most of the screen time are the product of a human host with eggs from a part-Ripley Queen. They have big thick stupid corded necks. Their tails have a large flattened paddle area. Double backed legs. Even more well defined lips than the Dog-Runner. Odd stuff.
The Alien we see only a little of is the Newborn, being what happens when the part-Ripley Queen gives birth by more human means.
Now, why do the AvP aliens look like the Resurrection Aliens? They shouldn't! They're not genetically engineered part human hybrids, for one. They're the normal product of a human host - they should be more like Alien or Aliens style scuttlers. Its a shame because the Resurrection aliens look dire compared to the originals.
If you think the Aliens all look the same throughout the 5 films (I count AvP as an Alien film) then you really need to look again.