Hl2

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No not a post that you'd think you'd find in here....

Does anyone know where the article (or forum post) on HL2 vs Farcrys physics etc.

thanks

-Anth

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  • DY357LXDY357LX Playing since day 1. Still can't Comm. EnglandMembers, Constellation Join Date: 2002-10-27 Member: 1651Posts: 2,309 Fully active user
    Interesting sounding article. I'll have to read that if someone posts it.

    Just a quick question though, how can they compare the physics systems
    if Half-Life 2 isn't out yet? And the leaked beta is not really a proper
    way to compare them.

    Someone find me the article.... NOW... *cracks whip* biggrin.gif
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Members Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Posts: 10,499
    I thought they both used the Havok engine for physics. I guess Crytek made their own.
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  • DY357LXDY357LX Playing since day 1. Still can't Comm. EnglandMembers, Constellation Join Date: 2002-10-27 Member: 1651Posts: 2,309 Fully active user
    I think FarCry uses the "Cry Engine". Thats what the splash screen
    says anyway..... I think.
    I thought Half-Life 2 used its own engine (Source?) and the likes
    of PainKiller used the Havoc engine.

    Can anyone shed some light here?
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  • SillyGooseSillyGoose Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14572Posts: 470
    the physics system for HL2 is a heavily modified version of Havok. I'm not sure as to what Farcry uses but its most likely either Karma, Havok, or Crytek made their own.
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Members Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Posts: 1,937
    After playing Max Payne I must say that it has the best physics ever... unless they are scripted deaths, in which case i've been pwned.
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  • DragonMechDragonMech Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Posts: 6,778 Fully active user
    QUOTE (SillyGoose @ Jul 12 2004, 02:25 PM)
    the physics system for HL2 is a heavily modified version of Havok. I'm not sure as to what Farcry uses but its most likely either Karma, Havok, or Crytek made their own.

    FarCry is on the CryEngine - something Crytek whipped up.
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  • ToneeTonee Wub wuB UKMembers, Constellation Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21926Posts: 656 Fully active user
    QUOTE (DY357LX @ Jul 12 2004, 08:49 PM)
    Interesting sounding article. I'll have to read that if someone posts it.

    Just a quick question though, how can they compare the physics systems
    if Half-Life 2 isn't out yet? And the leaked beta is not really a proper
    way to compare them.

    Someone find me the article.... NOW... *cracks whip* biggrin.gif

    I rememebr reading it somewhere... was talking about throwing pipes on a hill and on hl2 engine it rolls down, farcry doesn't

    I don't think it was a dream <_<
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Posts: 7,216 Advanced user
    QUOTE (404NotFound @ Jul 12 2004, 01:25 PM)
    After playing Max Payne I must say that it has the best physics ever... unless they are scripted deaths, in which case i've been pwned.

    MP1? Thats scripted(though they were quite good- I remember on the abandoned subway station, turning into the stairs going downards, shooting the last guy for the area, and having him fly back into the wall and slump down.
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  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Members Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Posts: 1,937
    QUOTE (Quaunaut @ Jul 12 2004, 03:45 PM)
    QUOTE (404NotFound @ Jul 12 2004, 01:25 PM)
    After playing Max Payne I must say that it has the best physics ever... unless they are scripted deaths, in which case i've been pwned.

    MP1? Thats scripted(though they were quite good- I remember on the abandoned subway station, turning into the stairs going downards, shooting the last guy for the area, and having him fly back into the wall and slump down.

    Yeah, i've just been duped, then.
    QUOTE (Geminosity @ Aug 1 2005, 07:31 PM)
    depot that joke was so bad I lost 30hp :p
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Members Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Posts: 3,316 Advanced user
    MP2 on the other hand was NOT scripted, and used havok IIRC, to nice effect. Although they could have added a few more destroyable thingymajigies.
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  • ToneeTonee Wub wuB UKMembers, Constellation Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21926Posts: 656 Fully active user
    make your own topic about MP? confused.gif
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    edited July 2004
    QUOTE (Dragon_Mech @ Jul 12 2004, 03:30 PM)
    QUOTE (SillyGoose @ Jul 12 2004, 02:25 PM)
    the physics system for HL2 is a heavily modified version of Havok. I'm not sure as to what Farcry uses but its most likely either Karma, Havok, or Crytek made their own.

    FarCry is on the CryEngine - something Crytek whipped up.

    And HL2 is on Source engine, something Valve whipped up. My understanding is that "physics" refers to only part of a game's engine, so it's entirely possible that FarCry does use Havok physics. I think I remember seeing somewhere that it did, but I don't know too much about FC, I could be wrong.
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  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Members, NS1 Playtester Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Posts: 8,596
    His topic relates directly to this one..

    And yeah, HL2, Far Cry, STAKLER (I think), and UT2004 all base their physics on the Havok physics engine. Pretty much every game really. In fact, the only game I can think of *NOT* using Havok is DOOM 3, and that's because John Carmack choose to code his own because if he's smart enough to launch rockets into space I guess he figures he can handle stuff going down staircases. :P
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Posts: 7,216 Advanced user
    QUOTE (DOOManiac @ Jul 12 2004, 03:50 PM)
    His topic relates directly to this one..

    And yeah, HL2, Far Cry, STAKLER (I think), and UT2004 all base their physics on the Havok physics engine. Pretty much every game really. In fact, the only game I can think of *NOT* using Havok is DOOM 3, and that's because John Carmack choose to code his own because if he's smart enough to launch rockets into space I guess he figures he can handle stuff going down staircases. tounge.gif

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  • baconflapsbaconflaps Members Join Date: 2004-02-09 Member: 26314Posts: 391
    QUOTE (DOOManiac @ Jul 12 2004, 05:50 PM)
    His topic relates directly to this one..

    And yeah, HL2, Far Cry, STAKLER (I think), and UT2004 all base their physics on the Havok physics engine. Pretty much every game really. In fact, the only game I can think of *NOT* using Havok is DOOM 3, and that's because John Carmack choose to code his own because if he's smart enough to launch rockets into space I guess he figures he can handle stuff going down staircases. tounge.gif

    UT2004 has its own physics engine called Karma, along with America's Army (since they licensed the Unreal engine).
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Members, NS1 Playtester Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Posts: 8,596
    If I remember correctly, Karma is actually a heavily modified Havok engine.
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  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Members Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Posts: 1,965
    QUOTE (baconflaps @ Jul 12 2004, 06:07 PM)
    QUOTE (DOOManiac @ Jul 12 2004, 05:50 PM)
    His topic relates directly to this one..

    And yeah, HL2, Far Cry, STAKLER (I think), and UT2004 all base their physics on the Havok physics engine. Pretty much every game really. In fact, the only game I can think of *NOT* using Havok is DOOM 3, and that's because John Carmack choose to code his own because if he's smart enough to launch rockets into space I guess he figures he can handle stuff going down staircases. tounge.gif

    UT2004 has its own physics engine called Karma, along with America's Army (since they licensed the Unreal engine).

    nope, karma is totally spereate from havok. And the ut guys didnt create karma, word is that they got a email from a couple of people requesting they put it in ut2003.

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  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Members, NS1 Playtester Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Posts: 8,596
    edited July 2004
    QUOTE (h20 @ Jul 12 2004, 05:20 PM)
    First game ever to have ragdoll  :)

    Except not... There are many others that had it first, though admittedly UT2003 was the best at the time.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Members Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Posts: 10,499
    Hah, so I was right. At least, according to Doomeh. Both use Havok. Case closed.
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Posts: 7,216 Advanced user
    QUOTE (baconflaps @ Jul 12 2004, 04:07 PM)
    QUOTE (DOOManiac @ Jul 12 2004, 05:50 PM)
    His topic relates directly to this one..

    And yeah, HL2, Far Cry, STAKLER (I think), and UT2004 all base their physics on the Havok physics engine. Pretty much every game really. In fact, the only game I can think of *NOT* using Havok is DOOM 3, and that's because John Carmack choose to code his own because if he's smart enough to launch rockets into space I guess he figures he can handle stuff going down staircases. tounge.gif

    UT2004 has its own physics engine called Karma, along with America's Army (since they licensed the Unreal engine).

    Actually AA:DR's doesn't use the same engine. Its one devved by the US army- hence why it took so damn long.

    They wanted to give body parts different weight values, unlike UTs, which each weighs the same.
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  • SillyGooseSillyGoose Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14572Posts: 470
    last I heard, the dudes who made karma went out of business, so who knows what kinda crazy physics we'll have in UT2005.
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    QUOTE (SillyGoose @ Jul 12 2004, 05:29 PM)
    last I heard, the dudes who made karma went out of business, so who knows what kinda crazy physics we'll have in UT2005.

    The same as 2k4? Just because their out doesn't mean Epic can't use a engine they already bought.
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  • VenmochVenmoch Members Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Posts: 3,118
    QUOTE (DOOManiac @ Jul 12 2004, 10:50 PM)
    STALKER (I think)

    The STALKER team made their own I believe.
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  • KaineKaine Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1096Posts: 1,017
    QUOTE (Quaunaut @ Jul 13 2004, 11:23 AM)
    Actually AA:DR's doesn't use the same engine. Its one devved by the US army- hence why it took so damn long.

    They wanted to give body parts different weight values, unlike UTs, which each weighs the same.

    I believe AA originally used a previously unreleased Unreal engine called Unreal Battlefield or Unreal Warzone or something. if you go look at some old reviews of the game when it first came out they should mention something about it.


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  • DaedalusDaedalus Members Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15152Posts: 219
    QUOTE (Kaine @ Jul 13 2004, 03:39 AM)
    I believe AA originally used a previously unreleased Unreal engine called Unreal Battlefield or Unreal Warzone or something. if you go look at some old reviews of the game when it first came out they should mention something about it.

    Unreal Warfare Engine.

    I remember when I finished Max Payne 2 I immediately went and looked up the Havok physics engine because it was amazing. The short list of clients on the main Havok website shows a few of the games using their engine. From memory Half-Life 2 was supposed to be the first game out to use this physics engine but after the delay, Max Payne was the first.
  • KungFuSquirrelKungFuSquirrel Basher of Muttons Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 103Posts: 2,175
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    ...which is Unreal Engine 2, the same engine behind UT2K3/4. It was just an early version of the tech to power the UT games.

    Edit: as can be seen here. smile.gif
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Members, NS1 Playtester Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Posts: 8,596
    QUOTE (:: Daedalus :: @ Jul 13 2004, 05:02 AM)
    QUOTE (Kaine @ Jul 13 2004, 03:39 AM)
    I believe AA originally used a previously unreleased Unreal engine called Unreal Battlefield or Unreal Warzone or something. if you go look at some old reviews of the game when it first came out they should mention something about it.

    Unreal Warfare Engine.

    I remember when I finished Max Payne 2 I immediately went and looked up the Havok physics engine because it was amazing. The short list of clients on the main Havok website shows a few of the games using their engine. From memory Half-Life 2 was supposed to be the first game out to use this physics engine but after the delay, Max Payne was the first.

    C&C Renegade came out a long long time ago (what, 2 years now almost?) and it used Havok Physics...

    Havok has been around for a few years folks, its nothing brand new.
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  • Crono5Crono5 Members Join Date: 2003-07-22 Member: 18357Posts: 1,855
    Maybe they mean Havok 2?
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  • SillyGooseSillyGoose Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14572Posts: 470
    havok 2 is really new, even HL2 doesnt use it.
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    QUOTE (Venmoch @ Jul 13 2004, 09:03 AM)
    QUOTE (DOOManiac @ Jul 12 2004, 10:50 PM)
    STALKER (I think)

    The STALKER team made their own I believe.

    STALKER, Doom 3 and Far Cry each use their own proprietary physics engine. UT2003/2004 engine games uses Karma. Max Payne 2, HL2 and even stuff like Burnout 3 use Havok.

    That said, HL2 uses a totally modified version of the original Havok, so Valve's work on it probably brings it up to the standard of Havok 2.

    Also HL2 related, latest word on the street: Valve aiming for first Release Candidate to be sent to Vivendi by July 30th.
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