I'd Like To Get Peoples' Opinions

RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
<div class="IPBDescription">On Japanese invasion plans for Australia</div> Disclaimer: This is completely informal. None of this will be published anywhere.

Recently I completed a rather large university assignment on the topic of "Japanese invasion plans for Australia during World War 2". The people who I spoke to about it were quite interested, and as Australians they tended to have an opinion about what plans the Japanese did have. So I got to thinking; what do people across the world think about this subject. And what better place to start than in the NS forums, this cornucopia of multi-ethnicities.

To summerise: voice your opinions in this thread about Japanese invasion plans for Australia during World War II. You may also discuss Japanese invasion plans for the United States / India as well if you so please. Be as simple or as detailed as you wish.

Comments

  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    The Japanese never planned to invade Australia.

    What would they do with all that land? Their heads would explode at the mere thought.
  • ThE_HeRoThE_HeRo Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12723Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-[WHO]Them+Jul 12 2004, 05:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([WHO]Them @ Jul 12 2004, 05:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The Japanese never planned to invade Australia.

    What would they do with all that land? Their heads would explode at the mere thought. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lol
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    "The Japanese sphere reaches south - always south" or something <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I think that japan would have taken Australia without a doubt. They didn't encompass it in their immediate plans though, because they wanted to be sure that once they got the land [not hard at all, and it still isn't.. stupid australian defense <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->].. they could keep it. They needed to get rid of threats around them, like America [Britain couldn't have helped].

    In short: Australia was definitely on the menu, but they had bigger fish to fry.
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    Well...

    Japan was highly expansionistic and nationalistic at the time, afaik. So... I think we'd have ended being conquered by Japan eventually, but only because we were there, so to speak. I don't think Australia was an especially juicy target. We'd have lost to Japan's forces, too, no question - mostly because the bulk of our armed forces were on the other side of the world fighting England's battles for her (the Australian armed forces have a very good track record for arse kicking). Although, I suspect that Japan was simply stronger at the time <i>anyway</i>; newly industiralised, highly disciplined, and well equipped.

    But I don't think that, at any time, Japan viewed us as a threat needing to be neutralised, a particularly soft target to be exploited, or an especially valuable property to possess. Throughout history, the Australian leadership has always been paranoid of invasion, so I'm always skeptical about whether any countries out there have ever genuinely wanted to attack us.
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    What about Indonesia, SS?

    Australia is always a good target.. if somebody tried to invade us, China, or even one of the smaller nations.. we have no adequate defenses. It'd take a while for them to fully take us over [australia is quite the large <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> We also have an extensive farming system, so a significant part of our country would be self-sufficient].. But they'd take over with little to no military losses. We have a hell of a lot of land, ~20 million people.. I'd say that's a lot of free space. So so so so SO underpopulated, it's not funny <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Populate or perish, gogo menzies
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    They wished to grow corn in austrialia
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Ryo, I understand that you took your leave from Disc., but you've got to admit that this is no O-T discussion. <span style='color:white'>***Moved.***</span>

    Anyway, what kind of opinion are you searching? Strategically, Japan would've had no problem invading Australia thanks to its extensive and thus very hard to defend coastline. Seeing that Australia was part of the Allies and would have thus posed a possible source of dissent in what the Empire regarded as its domain, the step was inevitable. Then again, it wouldn't have made sense to invade until peace had been enforced in China and Indonesia as the extensive area of the continent would've required a significant troop deployment to be able to quell the inevitable riots effectively.
  • Pepe_MuffassaPepe_Muffassa Join Date: 2003-01-17 Member: 12401Members
    edited July 2004
    <span style='color:white'>This is the Discussion Forum. Behave accordingly.</span>
  • GunFodderGunFodder Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26572Members
    edited July 2004
    <span style='color:white'>This is the Discussion Forum. Behave accordingly.</span>
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    Australia was fighting against Japan, thereby making them enemies. The plans for the japanese to invade australia were justified. They were, after all, at war. Had the invasion fleet got past the autralian ships without being detected, chances are, they could have set up a pretty formidibal colony on australian soil, feeding off kiwi fruit and sheep, until one farmer noticed a few hundred sheep missing and reported it to the authorities. This may take some time, in fact, for you you australians know, they could be there already.

    On a more serious note, they would probably have gone down through indonesia, occupying those islands one by one before launching to australia. Makes more sense to have a base of operations close to the frontline.
  • The_NemesisThe_Nemesis Join Date: 2002-11-23 Member: 9724Members
    Kiwi fruit and sheep? I think you're confusing Australia and New Zealand. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyway, what kind of opinion are you searching? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    When I was researching my assignment, I ran into an interesting study by the head historian at the Australian War Memorial. He went around to major universities in Australia and asked students and academics if they thought the Japanese were planning to invade Australia in 1942. Overwhelmingly the response he got was "Yes". That's certainly what I believed when I started the assignment, due to what had been taught to me in high school.

    As the university semester progressed I talked to quite a few people around campus, and inevitably the subject of "So what are you doing this semester" came up, and just about everyone I spoke to was very interested in the Japanese invasion plan topic. Again, their opinion overwhelmingly was that the Japanese were going to invade.

    So by coming into the forums and throwing this question open I wanted to see what everyone believes was going to happen in 1942. Do people in Europe and the US think that Japan was going to invade Australia in 1942? What do other Australians who post in the forums think? Are there any Japanese members here who could voice their thoughts?
  • Hida_TsuzuaHida_Tsuzua Lamarck&#39;s Heir Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 79Members, NS1 Playtester
    Austrailia was definately on the "more land under the rising sun" list. And it's likely they could have taken it provided they were left alone long enough to do so. If they could keep it for very long or do much with it is another story. I'm sure it'll been somewhat like China, a nasty guerilla war draining men and the like. You should take a look at <u>Japan's War</u> by Edwin Hoyt as he talks about Japan's motivations, plans, and the like for the Pacific War.
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