Do I Need Half Life?

SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Can't I play NS on CS:CZ?</div> I'm wondering if I could just buy counter-strike: condition zero to play NS because I want that game and NS as well. Half-Life to me is overplayed, since I beat it 10 times and since CS:CZ and HL both use steam, I'm wondering if NS is possible with just CS:CZ.

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  • LitoLito Join Date: 2003-09-04 Member: 20560Members
    I remember some of my friends playing NS using CS retail. So I don't see why not.
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    I believe you can't, no. CS:CZ uses an updated HL engine, so it's incompatible with HL's mods.

    I'm not 100% certain, but it makes sense. HL2 will be using Steam, and you won't be able to use HL1 mods with that.

    EDIT: After doing a little search, there seems to be some possibility of using a CS:CZ key to download HL via Steam, but it's 4am and i really can't be bothered to do much searching, so once again, i'm not 100% sure.
  • SatertekSatertek Join Date: 2002-12-22 Member: 11372Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter
    If you buy Condition Zero it comes with, CZ, CZ Deleted Scenes, and CS.

    You'll have to buy HL seperate to play NS. I would recommend going to your local EB (or EB like store) and picking up Half Life. You can usually find it for around $10. Get the key and put that into Steam.
  • BOBDololBOBDolol Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21431Members
    The only thing you need to play NS is a working CD key
  • SatertekSatertek Join Date: 2002-12-22 Member: 11372Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter
    <!--QuoteBegin-BOBDOLOL+Jul 9 2004, 12:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BOBDOLOL @ Jul 9 2004, 12:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The only thing you need to play NS is a working CD key <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not necessarily, a CZ key won't cut it.

    But any other key will work. (Except for Opposing Force)
  • l3igDl3igD Join Date: 2003-11-20 Member: 23262Members
    if CS:CZ comes with CS then you can... I play NS on a CS key. Just install it to the hl folder..
  • SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
    I'm inclined to think that CZ will work as long as it has a steam apps folder where the file NSP could be placed... though I might be wrong.
  • SatertekSatertek Join Date: 2002-12-22 Member: 11372Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-l3igD+Jul 9 2004, 12:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (l3igD @ Jul 9 2004, 12:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if CS:CZ comes with CS then you can...  I play NS on a CS key.  Just install it to the hl folder.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Unless CZ comes with Half-Life, you won't be able to play NS.

    And as far as I know, CZ dosn't come with Half-Life.

    (Plz correct me if I'm wrong <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
  • BOBDololBOBDolol Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21431Members
    you don't need half life with steam
  • SpaceJesusSpaceJesus Join Date: 2004-07-02 Member: 29683Banned
    CZ comes with CS.
    Install steam and start an account using your CS key.
    Now download HL as free available content.
    Run HL so that it creates a HL folder from the cache file.
    Install NS into the HL folder.
    Play NS.
  • FireStormFireStorm Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7390Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-SmoodCroozn+Jul 9 2004, 04:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SmoodCroozn @ Jul 9 2004, 04:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I want that game and NS as well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    where's the problem? Try to play NS with CZ, and if it doesn't work you'll have to get HL.
  • SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
    I already have HL Plat Pack and if I only need CZ i can sell it.
  • FireStormFireStorm Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7390Members
    then try it before you sell... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-BOBDOLOL+Jul 9 2004, 07:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BOBDOLOL @ Jul 9 2004, 07:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you don't need half life with steam <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But you do need Half-Life to play Half-Life and it's mods.
  • SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Jul 9 2004, 06:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Jul 9 2004, 06:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BOBDOLOL+Jul 9 2004, 07:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BOBDOLOL @ Jul 9 2004, 07:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you don't need half life with steam <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But you do need Half-Life to play Half-Life and it's mods. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I had CS retail and I could play all the Mods just as if I had Half Life, but I had to change the directory though. I think I'll buy and experiment.
  • SatertekSatertek Join Date: 2002-12-22 Member: 11372Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter
    edited July 2004
    If you've already put your key into your steam account, theres no way to remove it. So you won't be able to sell it except as "single player only".

    I doubt it would work with only CZ, but you could give it a try.

    (NS installs into the HL folder, so unless CZ comes with HL it wont work)
  • IBTIBT Join Date: 2003-10-22 Member: 21879Members
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Satertek+Jul 9 2004, 03:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Satertek @ Jul 9 2004, 03:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you've already put your key into your steam account, theres no way to remove it.  So you won't be able to sell it except as "single player only".<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    aah! i think no on that Satertek,
    when you get your steam account, i beleve there is an option to change your email, so you can sell your game as a multiplayer as well as long as you give the person your pw so he can change his pw and email!

    back on topic, i think, once you get steam, you can get hl, and with hl, you can get NS, thus, bringing joy to ppl like me and you!
  • BOBDololBOBDolol Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21431Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Jul 9 2004, 06:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Jul 9 2004, 06:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BOBDOLOL+Jul 9 2004, 07:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BOBDOLOL @ Jul 9 2004, 07:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you don't need half life with steam <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But you do need Half-Life to play Half-Life and it's mods. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    you don't need half life with steam
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited July 2004
    OK, once and for all!


    1.) To play Natural Selection you will need Steam and the downloaded HL Singleplayer. Steam alone is not a game engine!

    2.) You can use a Counter-Strike retail version key or an original HL key with Steam to download the listed games.
    Valve doesn't give HL away for free! Buy a CD key!

    3.) (CS Retail is not Condition Zero. It's the older normal CS sold seperatedly. It's using the old HL key system because it's running on the same engine. Condition Zeros engine is different to the HL engine and is using a different key system. The Steam platform is engine independent and can run different games with different engines.)

    4.)You can not use a Counter-Strike Condition Zero key to play Natural Selection online.

    5.)You can use Condition Zeros Steam ro play NS (point 3), but you will need a Half-Life or Counter-Strike retail key to download the HL singleplayer that is required to run Natural Selection.

    <span style='color:white'>Sheena, so god help me, the next time you write a message in caps lock, you will die.</span>

    from the ns download page

    1. Download and install Steam ("Half-life Steam Installer" recommended, 211 megabytes).

    2. Run Half-life through Steam at least once, by loading up the training course. This is necessary to make sure NS will have the files it needs.
  • unknown_bioformunknown_bioform Join Date: 2003-05-19 Member: 16481Members, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow
    Yes it is possible to get NS running on Condition Zero offline and I have done it several times.

    Here are the set of instructions.

    1. Acquire the nsp folder using Steam or downloading it from a NS community website.
    2. Copy it into Condition Zero folder (ex: C:\Valve\Condition Zero)
    3. Create a shortcut from the Condition Zero launcher executable (czero.exe) to desktop.
    4. Right-click on the shortcut on the desktop, select properties and add the following after the link:
    --------------------
    -game nsp
    -------------------

    5. Click on the link to start.
    6. To join LAN games press ~ to bring up the console and type 'slist' (without apprivations) and type 'connect [number of server on the slist].

    See guys, its possible
  • SpaceJesusSpaceJesus Join Date: 2004-07-02 Member: 29683Banned
    edited July 2004
    1) CZ comes with a CS 1.6 Steam installer + CD key.

    2) Start a Steam account with the CS1.6 key, then download HL as available content through Steam.

    3) Then install NS.


    It's really that simple.

    <span style='color:white'>My threat to Sheena applies here, as well.</span>
  • TrayderTrayder Join Date: 2003-10-30 Member: 22127Members, Constellation
    Just buy half-life, you can get it as cheap as $5 Australian if you go to some kind of second hand store such as cash converters. Problem is they're second hand but in the 3 copies of half-life i have bought from there all 3 cdkeys have worked.
    Also a great place to sell half-life after you've registered ur cdkey with steam.
  • SillyGooseSillyGoose Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14572Members, Constellation
    a CS key will work to install HL on steam.
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