This Doesnt Make Any Sense

UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
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Just a day ago, a really wierd string of problems have started happening to my computer. I first noticed that whenever I loaded NS or RoN, the computer would lock up in a black screen and I would have to restart manualy. Upon restarting, I found that both my mouse and my keyboard stoped working. I restarted again, and when windows loaded up, everything seemed to be working fine again. Next, I started to have wierd graphic problems in Windows and Mozilla, when you scroll down, it doesnt work like normal, instead it slowy draws the whole screan again over the previous one. I didnt have many important things on the computer, so I formatted it. After an unusally long time, (5+ to format and install windows) everything seemed to be working again. Then after being asked to restart after installing network drivers, I all started to happen again, and now my sound card refuses to work. The wierdest part is the moust and keyboard not working. They only break <i>every other</i> restart for some reason.

Win Xp
Abit Nf-7 MB
9600 pro
512 ddr 333
asus 1800+
onboard sound and network on the nforce 2 chipset

Thanks if you have any help.
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  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited June 2004
    Sounds to me like you have a hax0r, boy! I would reccomend if you reformat again you unhook the internet until you're sure that has nothing to do with it. It could also be a hardware issue (possible) or an issue with your network drivers (probally not, but still possible).
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  • RionRion Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7752Members
    The only thing I could possibly think of would be cooling problems.. but I'm not an expert.
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  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    edited June 2004
    Redford: All the problems (expect the network one) were still present after the format, but before I even connected to the internet.

    Rion: I'm pretty sure its not that, After being on for a few hours, the cpu temp is still in the mid 120s

    edit: Hrm, It just told me that my graphics card stoped responding... but it still seems to be working...
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  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    120°C ?
    If yes... OMG!! This is way too hot, and would explain why the game locks and webbrowsers redraw the page verry slow!

    Cpu temp is normally 60-70...
    Check the cpu cooler.
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  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    edited June 2004
    Haha, no... 120° F, which is about 50°ish C I think.

    And the system temp is about 100° F = 37°ish C
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  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-jumpingjoda+Jun 26 2004, 07:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jumpingjoda @ Jun 26 2004, 07:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 120°C ?
    If yes... OMG!! This is way too hot, and would explain why the game locks and webbrowsers redraw the page verry slow!

    Cpu temp is normally 60-70...
    Check the cpu cooler. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Cpus Either Melt or turn themselves off by this time

    I cant help you.
    My pc hasnt broken at all yet <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    no, no, read, It is not that hot.
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  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited June 2004
    Then your graphic card is overheated, same symptoms...
    Take a look at the cooler, if the fan is still turning at good speed.
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  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    How to tell if hardware is too hot:

    Turn on computer. (with side off)
    Do crap with computer.
    Touch heatsinks.
    if (heatsink_burns_you)
    computer = has_heating_problems;
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  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-OttoDestruct+Jun 26 2004, 07:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Jun 26 2004, 07:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How to tell if hardware is too hot:

    Turn on computer. (with side off)
    Do crap with computer.
    Touch heatsinks.
    if (heatsink_burns_you)
    computer = has_heating_problems; <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    rofl

    UnderDOG: i wasnt saying it was that hot, i was pointing out to jumpingjoda that it couldnt actually get that hot
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  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    The heatsink is warm, but it nowhere near being able to burn me. The only thing I can think might have caused this is when I was trying to fix the Rise of Natios exception error (Most people with RoN have had this happen at least once). After reading a couple guide online that suggested that I should turn up the voltage of the AGP slot to the next level, from 1.5 to 1.6 I believe. After changing this and restarting the computer, RoN still didnt work, and there were no problems. Even though I had read there was no way this could affect anything else, I went back to the Bios and reset the voltage to its previous level. This was almost a week ago though, so how could the results just now be surfacing?

    I just realized that mabey on every other startup, when the mouse/keyboard dont work, It might be that the monitor just doesnt show any change, but I cant be sure...
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  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited June 2004
    Omg why should you raise your agp voltage, that's the most stupid recommendation i have heard. The radeons are getting extra voltage directly from your power supply.
    But i don't think this causes your errors.
    You could try to run another game, maybe an older one. Or you can try to run Knoppix or another bootable linux distro. And as the last escape, format the hard disc and instal windows again.
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited June 2004
    Touch the VIDEO CARD heat synch, check to see if the VIDEO CARD fan isn't working. Mouse and keyboard locking up could be bad mouse and keyboard drivers, but that problem should go away when you format. Bypass your soundcard and try running with onboard sound, see if your prolems go away (if not take the soundcard out and try again). What you have sounds pretty much definately like hardware problems, just pray to God it isn't your mobo (hard to test and hard to replace). All tests sould be done disconnected from the internet.

    [edit]I'm to tired to finish my sentences... Read again.
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  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    edited June 2004
    Ok, Ill disconnect and try the things you guys just said.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Or you can try to run Knoppix or another bootable linux distro.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I have no idea what this means <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And as the last escape, format the hard disc and instal windows again.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I did, reformatted, and reinstalled windows, and also reset the bios (using the mobo pin), so im pretty sure that it is a hardware problem.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mouse and keyboard locking up could be bad mouse and keyboard drivers, but that problem should go away when you format.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Didn't, this might point to a mobo problem though

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Bypass your soundcard and try running with onboard sound, see if your prolems go away (if not take the soundcard out and try again).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Im using onboard sound (nforce2 on my abit nf-7 mobo). I've allready tried using the drivers on the disk that came with the mob, and other drivers that I got off thier website.


    Edit: Oh ****, This might just be auto temp senors or something that the mobo claims it has, but neither the chipsit nor the video card fans are running atm... I think im going to get my old one out of the closet and contact ns boards though that. I dont want to run this computer without those 2 fans.
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    Your Video card fan is running right? If your vid card still works I'm thinking you might have mobo damage. Do you shutdown the computer every night? do you shut it down any time you aren't using it? or is it running pretty much 100% of the time?
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  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    edited June 2004
    Ok, I've got the case open, and have a large house fan blowing into it. Also, despite the fact that two of the fans (chipset and video card) wernt working, their heatsinks arn't even that warm. The front fan (under the HD bays), the powersupply fan, the CPU fan, and another I have mounted by the AGP slot are working fine. Im still convinced that heat is not the issue here.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your Video card fan is running right? If your vid card still works I'm thinking you might have mobo damage. time?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The fan on the video card is not on, this doesnt mean it not working, because I think that it uses a heat senor to determine when it needs to be on, but Im not taking any chances. Im not really sure if the video card is working right, and I dont know of any way to test it.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you shutdown the computer every night? do you shut it down any time you aren't using it? or is it running pretty much 100% of the <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No, this computer has been running constantly for over a year. Recently I replaced the Mobo and the Video card, so I dont think they would be going from stain allready.

    edit: Ha! Both the video card and the mobo seem to still be under warrenty from Newegg.com

    I still want to be completly sure of the problem before I think about sending them back, because if they cant find anything wrong, Im screwed.
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-UnderDOG+Jun 26 2004, 03:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnderDOG @ Jun 26 2004, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok, I've got the case open, and have a large house fan blowing into it.  Also, despite the fact that two of the fans (chipset and video card) wernt working, their heatsinks arn't even that warm.  The front fan (under the HD bays), the powersupply fan, the CPU fan, and another I have mounted by the AGP slot are working fine.  Im still convinced that heat is not the issue here.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your Video card fan is running right? If your vid card still works I'm thinking you might have mobo damage. time?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The fan on the video card is not on, this doesnt mean it not working, because I think that it uses a heat senor to determine when it needs to be on, but Im not taking any chances. Im not really sure if the video card is working right, and I dont know of any way to test it.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you shutdown the computer every night? do you shut it down any time you aren't using it? or is it running pretty much 100% of the <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No, this computer has been running constantly for over a year. Recently I replaced the Mobo and the Video card, so I dont think they would be going from stain allready.

    edit: Ha! Both the video card and the mobo seem to still be under warrenty from Newegg.com

    I still want to be completly sure of the problem before I think about sending them back, because if they cant find anything wrong, Im screwed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yikes, your video card chip might already be fried then, do you by any chance have an older video card to test against?

    Uninstall the vidcard drivers, take out the vidcard, put the old one in, install old card's drivers, try to crash computer. If it still crashes it means that it's almost definately the mobo's fault.
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  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    I have another computer, the baby brother of this one essentialy.

    abit nf-7 mobo
    9600 pro
    256 ddr ram
    asus 1600+

    So I have this other computer, but it is actualy my sister's. I can take it apart and mess with it though, I built It and she doesnt know much about computers anyway. Should I try taking its graphics card, and putting it into this one, and see how things work? Becuase they have the same OS, same MB, and almost the same video card, I dont think I would have to make any driver changes to do the test.
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    Sure, doesn't really matter what graphics card you are testing with, as long as you can still recreate crash conditions on something besides the original card.

    If the new card crashes too, your old card is probably fine, and I would start looking for the newegg warrentee on your mobo.
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  • BlackPlagueBlackPlague Join Date: 2004-02-02 Member: 25990Banned
    ok this is what i would do.

    reformat your computer.
    stay off of the internet for a while.
    go back online after a week, call the operator of your isp and ask them to scan your incoming calls, signals, etc..

    inform the FBI on their main web site after the operator has traced the hacker.

    hope you find who it is =) NO ONE deserves this.
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  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-UnderDOG+Jun 26 2004, 03:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnderDOG @ Jun 26 2004, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I still want to be completly sure of the problem before I think about sending them back, because if they cant find anything wrong, Im screwed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    From what I've heard newegg is very good to people, probably too good from a business standpoint. I hardly think you're gonna be screwed.
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-OttoDestruct+Jun 26 2004, 05:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Jun 26 2004, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-UnderDOG+Jun 26 2004, 03:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnderDOG @ Jun 26 2004, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I still want to be completly sure of the problem before I think about sending them back, because if they cant find anything wrong, Im screwed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    From what I've heard newegg is very good to people, probably too good from a business standpoint. I hardly think you're gonna be screwed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    no one returns a warrentee without reasonable proof that the stuff is messed up. If he does the video card thing and everything pans out then it's pretty much gaurenteed its the mobo, so no worries.
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  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    The fan on the grafic card should ALLWAYS spin, especialy on the new generation chips like 9600 !!!!
    Don't waste your time, try out another one and confirm this.
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  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    Ok, using the motherboard from my other computer, and all the parts from this one everything works fine, and conversly, the other computer's parts continue the problems on this one. So I can conclude it was the motherboard, and I've got an RAM request ready to goto newegg in the morning. Thanks for the help guys.

    Also, since my sister has the same motherboard as the one I have which is now broke, I took hers, and am using it in my comp. All she uses is AIM anyway <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-UnderDOG+Jun 26 2004, 09:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnderDOG @ Jun 26 2004, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok, using the motherboard from my other computer, and all the parts from this one everything works fine, and conversly, the other computer's parts continue the problems on this one. So I can conclude it was the motherboard, and I've got an RAM request ready to goto newegg in the morning. Thanks for the help guys.

    Also, since my sister has the same motherboard as the one I have which is now broke, I took hers, and am using it in my comp. All she uses is AIM anyway <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Heh, classy!

    I would still look into getting alternitive cooling for your Vid card though. It won't last long with a busted fan.
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  • Chaos_LlamaChaos_Llama Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28124Members
    My heat sink burns me. I've had overheating problems before; mobo and cpu burnt out, harddrive failed, another cpu burnt out.

    I'm going to get air conditioning for my computer room, would that help?
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