Fermat's Theorem Disproved !

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quantum mechanics applied to mathematics
(ripping the link from another forum)

Fermat's Last Theorem : Disproved !

Obviously Andrew Wiles must have made a mistake somewhere , or he was just too close minded to include quantum mechanics in his reasoning tounge.gif

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  • WindelkronWindelkron Members Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Posts: 3,975
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  • illuminexilluminex Members, Constellation Join Date: 2004-03-13 Member: 27317Posts: 784
    I noticed the copywrite (1996). I watched something in Geometry like 2.5 years ago, whereupon someone DID prove Fermat's theory, just not simply. I'd post a link, but I don't have one.
  • MulletMullet Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Posts: 3,290
    it's summer and you people are LOOKING at math...I...arghghalgkhasdlfkasdja;kj

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  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Members Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Posts: 4,078
    He hasn't disproved it at all. You cannot say that one number equals a different number.

    103.0000314 does not equal 103, no matter how close it is. Bending the laws of mathematics to suit your theory is bad practice.

    If you ask me, I would say the whole thing is a load of rubbish. Look at the way he talks in the first few paragraphs:

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    I mean, there's this theorem named after you... Hell yeah, you're going to tell them you proved it.


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    The gentleman that published it obviously is pretty good... That was neat.


    That does not strike me as the way a mathematic and quantum physics genious would talk.

    Then there is this bit here:

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    Obviously, the probability that, say, the number 10 is equal to 11 is very very small, although it is thought to have happened in June of 1952.


    This guy did research into "Jello Mold Topology" and he is now claiming that 10 has a chance of being equal to 11?. Hang on, the next bit is even better!

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    ....any given number has a high probability of being equal to itself


    Well, REALLY? This guy has just discovered what the rest of us knew all along!

    His arbitrary group of numbers: "Bunch of Idios." Sounds a lot like "Bund of Idiots" to me.

    It just gets rediculous from here on:

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    The slightest hint of color might throw the calculations way off.


    What?? The type of monitor has no effect on the calculations the CPU is performing!

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    I knew that I couldn't use anything built after 1991,  the last recorded palindromic year


    What has the year got to do with anything?

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    I chose a 285


    I hate to rain on his parade, but there is no such thing as a 285. Intel only made "X86" computers: 8086, 186, 286, 386, 486 and eventually the pentium.

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    A mysterious bug kept making it lapse into a primitive form of WordPerfect


    Let me get this straight. A bug is turning a number calculating program into Word processing software?

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    Success came at one stroke before midnight


    What a wonderful coincidence.




    To sum it all up, the whole thing is a hoax. Look at the evidence, and decide for yourself. I for one am not convinced.

    Yeah, sure it works, if you create a whole new "theroem" for it. But the same thing can be said for anything.

    Load of rubbish.
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    And this, folks, is why I am not a math major:
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    Obviously, the probability that, say, the number 10 is equal to 11 is very very small, although it is thought to have happened in June of 1952. But remember, quantum mechanics is screwy, and the obvious is sometimes unapparent. The probability that the number 10 is actually 10.5 is alot higher than the probability that it is 11, and as we approach 10 itself, the probability gets higher and higher. The idio becomes significant.
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  • GadzukoGadzuko Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Posts: 1,994
    In case any one else horrendously fails to get the joke like Boggle apparently did... lighten up. It's humor.
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Members, Constellation Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Posts: 1,027
    Well, he DOES have a point when he says that any number has a high probability of being equal to itself. But thats about it. The rest of it vaguely resembles something that comes out of the rear end of a male bovine.

    One might have also thought that this theory would have been published somewhere other than a personal site had it been either widely accepted or somewhat true...
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  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Members Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Posts: 4,078
    Ok, I thought it was serious, until I started reading it. Instead of just posting "Its a joke" I figured I would write a rebuttal for it. (I was bored). Maybe I am just trying to save my skin, but I can honestly say that I never once believed it.
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  • BlobbyBlobby Members Join Date: 2004-06-11 Member: 29234Posts: 255
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  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Members Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Posts: 1,633
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    it's summer


    No.
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    Wow, that is SOOOOO cool or something...
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Posts: 7,216 Advanced user
    Actually, Quantum Mechanics is proving a lot of the things we thought always held true wrong. Hence that test where they use the Electron Gun to shoot between the 2 slits, and see what happens. It ended up being Vertical Bars in a Bell Pattern. They did the same with light, but then found something wierd on a test- turned out, as long as a HUMAN BEING(didn't matter if like a Dog looked at it, or a bird), suddenly what shows on the wall changes. But there were signs of the Vertical Bars, instead of what we saw, being in a Bell Pattern, were actually before we looked at them in a PERFECT RECTANGLE pattern.

    It proves 1 thing- Humans have more power than we give ourselves. And it also proves a lot of numbers incorrect. Like 10 turning into 11. It can also explain odd phenomenon- because something that someone cought ON VIDEO(I saw a video of it in my my Physics class), of something suddenly moving on its own about 5 feet. It was a 25 lb steel block. And you didn't see it move- it just dissappeared and at the same moment appeared 5 feet to the left on the screen. The original tape has been studied to make sure people didn't tamper with it- they didn't.

    Freaky stuff.
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  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Members Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Posts: 4,943 Advanced user
    QUOTE (illuminex @ Jun 24 2004, 11:45 PM)
    I noticed the copywrite (1996). I watched something in Geometry like 2.5 years ago, whereupon someone DID prove Fermat's theory, just not simply. I'd post a link, but I don't have one.

    in fact, it used to be called Fermat's Conjecture before the actual proof, and since it's been called an actual theorem.
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    edited June 2004
    QUOTE (Quaunaut @ Jun 25 2004, 11:05 AM)
    They did the same with light, but then found something wierd on a test- turned out, as long as a HUMAN BEING(didn't matter if like a Dog looked at it, or a bird), suddenly what shows on the wall changes. But there were signs of the Vertical Bars, instead of what we saw, being in a Bell Pattern, were actually before we looked at them in a PERFECT RECTANGLE pattern.

    Do you have a source for this? I don't know where you heard this, but I can assure you that it is nonsense.
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    And it also proves a lot of numbers incorrect. Like 10 turning into 11.

    What?
  • BlobbyBlobby Members Join Date: 2004-06-11 Member: 29234Posts: 255
    I think he's talking about Einstein's experiments to find if light is a particle or a wave and then realizing it's whatever you think it is. But otherwise Quaunaut is speaking from his rectal area.
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    QUOTE (Mullet @ Jun 24 2004, 04:55 PM)
    it's summer and you people are LOOKING at math...I...arghghalgkhasdlfkasdja;kj

    *head explodes*

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    QUOTE (Blobby @ Jun 25 2004, 02:46 PM)
    I think he's talking about Einstein's experiments to find if light is a particle or a wave and then realizing it's whatever you think it is. But otherwise Quaunaut is speaking from his rectal area.

    Err, no. I'm sorry, I don't make stuff up. Doesn't happen. K? And the disrespect should not happen.

    I myself have no proof, but its been done in many tests- one such was done by whoever wrote that damned "Alice in Quantumland" book, and many others proving that one correct are there, just gotta find one. I'm not gonna bother because I'm lazy as hell and don't feel like it. Maybe tommorrow if you pester me Moultano(and only moultano).

    And the way it proves 10 can equal 11 is quite wierd, and is only proven once in a GREAT while, because frankly, you can't force it. It just happens. But basically it involves the Nonexistent Particles suddenly existing, because they got enough energy to exist long enough to absorb more energy and exist fully and permanently. So basically, yeah- it appears out of thin air.

    If you want a good explanation of all this, I suggest picking up that "Alice in Quantumland" book. Its all contained there.

    And as I said before: Don't disrespect me on boards I am known and respected on unless you want someone like me or countless others who actually know what their talking about to come along and not flame you, but rip you to shreds with facts.

    Happens to a lot of folks on these boards.
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  • MedHeadMedHead Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Posts: 2,729
    edited June 2004
    QUOTE (Quaunaut @ Jun 26 2004, 12:38 AM)
    And as I said before: Don't disrespect me on boards I am known and respected on

    This struck me as funny... we're on a forum, not living in tha 'hood, hehe.
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  • SalamanSalaman Members Join Date: 2002-11-23 Member: 9711Posts: 268
    Don't be dissing on his forum status or he will round up his e-posse and they will rip you to shreds with facts such as 10=11. wow.gif
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  • ZelZel Members Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Posts: 1,610
    edited June 2004
    And this, folks, is why I am a math major:
    QUOTE (Narfwak @ Jun 24 2004, 05:11 PM)
    Obviously, the probability that, say, the number 10 is equal to 11 is very very small, although it is thought to have happened in June of 1952. But remember, quantum mechanics is screwy, and the obvious is sometimes unapparent. The probability that the number 10 is actually 10.5 is alot higher than the probability that it is 11, and as we approach 10 itself, the probability gets higher and higher. The idio becomes significant.



    Hmm, 64 cubed plus 94 cubed equals 103 cubed, with a 0.000026 percent error lower than the expected result. He may have disproved Fermat's theorem for nonintegers of some sort, but it hasnt been disproven for integers, which is where the trouble lies anyway.

    all you gotta do to disprove it is provide a set of numbers that fit the equation. and 64^3+94^3=103.00003142^3
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  • BlobbyBlobby Members Join Date: 2004-06-11 Member: 29234Posts: 255
    QUOTE (Quaunaut @ Jun 26 2004, 12:38 AM)
    I myself have no proof... I'm not gonna bother because I'm lazy as hell and don't feel like it. And the way it proves 10 can equal 11 is quite wierd... It just happens. So basically, yeah- it appears out of thin air.

    Me or countless others who actually know what their talking about to come along and ... rip you to shreds with facts.

    Yes. Facts like:
    1) I myself have no proof...
    2) It's weird... It just happens.
    3) So basically, yeah- it appears out of thin air.

    But seriously, I don't mean any disrespect to you or your thosands of loyal followers. I personally disbelive in some of quantum mechanics. I've read some books... I DON'T belive them all. And I'm certainly not going to paraphrase the ones I do belive and then ask you kindly to read them as my defense for an argument.

    And to set the record strait, I was defending you from moultano who said, "I don't know where you heard this, but I can assure you that it is nonsense." My statement was that you had a source, but the source is fudged.
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    QUOTE (Blobby @ Jun 26 2004, 01:33 AM)
    QUOTE (Quaunaut @ Jun 26 2004, 12:38 AM)
    I myself have no proof... I'm not gonna bother because I'm lazy as hell and don't feel like it. And the way it proves 10 can equal 11 is quite wierd... It just happens. So basically, yeah- it appears out of thin air.

    Me or countless others who actually know what their talking about to come along and ... rip you to shreds with facts.

    Yes. Facts like:
    1) I myself have no proof...
    2) It's weird... It just happens.
    3) So basically, yeah- it appears out of thin air.

    But seriously, I don't mean any disrespect to you or your thosands of loyal followers. I personally disbelive in some of quantum mechanics. I've read some books... I DON'T belive them all. And I'm certainly not going to paraphrase the ones I do belive and then ask you kindly to read them as my defense for an argument.

    And to set the record strait, I was defending you from moultano who said, "I don't know where you heard this, but I can assure you that it is nonsense." My statement was that you had a source, but the source is fudged.

    Hmmm, discounting mathimatical fact... Infact that is a hobby of mine, for instance 10=11.
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    edited June 2004
    From the statement that 10=11, I can prove any statement. Try me. biggrin.gif

    Quaunaut, I didn't mean to flame you before, but I've taken a bit of quantum physics, and some of the things that you were saying are wrong or mischaracterized. It makes no difference what is "observing" the interaction, whether it be a human, a bird, a video camera whatever. The act of observation is in that sense irrelevant. It is the act of measuring something as a distinct value that transforms something from its waveform distribution into an observable value.

    The statement that 10 can be equal to 11 is flat out false. Quantum physics does not describe the rules of math or formal logic, only physics. Yes particles can appear out of empty space. No that does not mean that 10 can be equal to 11.

    The wikipedia article on quantum mechanics is pretty good for an overview if you are interested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics
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    The statement that 10 can be equal to 11 is flat out false. Quantum physics does not describe the rules of math or formal logic, only physics. Yes particles can appear out of empty space. No that does not mean that 10 can be equal to 11.


    Was going to say that but moultano beat me to it. Fermat theorem is not based on quantum physics but on euclidian mathematics!
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Posts: 7,216 Advanced user
    I know nothing of Fermat's Theorem, to be honest. But the thing is, I too have taken a bit of Quantum Physics- if for no other reason than to see what something similar to my name is all about.

    Things appearing out of thin air? Yeah. Happens. I don't know why- no one explained "Why" something dissappears when it fully runs out of energy, or the such. A lot of things in it didn't make sense, but so far no one has proved it wrong on any front, so I'm gonna stand by it till someone does.

    And Blobby, my reason for getting hostile, is that when you say someone pulled facts out of their rectal area, your basically calling them a lying imbecile. I don't appreciate that.

    And frankly, the whole "e-posse" thing doesn't happen. My thing is, I can prove my points(well, at least enough to prove them- not enough to elaborate, sadly), and putting down what I say isn't a good idea when its a firm and held truth that people know I don't "Pull facts out of my rectal area."
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    Obviously none of us are disagreeing about the correctness of quantum physics. It is the most experimentally verified physical model in existence.
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    QUOTE (moultano @ Jun 26 2004, 09:40 AM)
    Obviously none of us are disagreeing about the correctness of quantum physics. It is the most experimentally verified physical model in existence.

    Ironic really, with how much it defies all common sense.
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