Ati Radeons

Daza4Daza4 Kerc Kasha Join Date: 2003-04-06 Member: 15233Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Which ones DONT work with HL</div> Well i'm looking into buying a GeXcube ATI RADEON 9800-XT 256meg TV DVI, GC-R9800XT-D3 with hl2 voucher.

Who has this card and plays HL without any of those horrid FPS drops I have been hearing?
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    The drops are as far as I know not bound to a certain graphics card, but to certain driver versions. Another member offered the link in ATIs bugtracker database a while ago.
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    Daza dont do it! Must I come to bunker and beat some sense into you - buying a brand new radeon 9800XT now is insanity!

    Pretty soon the ATi x800 and the NVidia 6800 are going to come out and probably lop AUD$200 of the price of an 9800 - so you'd be waaayyy better off holding on to your money for a while. Also, before you get that puppy make sure you have a decent powersupply ie above 300W. I know its kinda basic but plenty of people forget stuff like that.....
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    You don't need 256MB of Texture Memory... I mean, whats going to use that much?

    Oh, and while you still get a free copy of HL^2, ATI withdrew their support (though they still have to honor the offer), so you can't get a boxed game, but you have to download it through Steam.

    I say go for the card.
  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I currently have a Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB and it runs fine and I've never had any wierd fps drop that you are talking about. I just suggest that you <b>DO NOT</b> buy an Nvidia card. All of my friends that have upgraded to an Nvidia card have had severe problems with them. But also as Marine01 said it might be best just to wait and see if the prices drop on the x800's.
  • Paranoia2MBParanoia2MB Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7832Members
    Radeon 9600SE 128mb
    No problems here.
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Correction.

    They're not driver based, but rather system-specific. I had a 9600XT which got 11fps in Marine Spawn (famously, as I moaned about it for weeks <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) Now my 9800Pro laughs, but there's still people on the Steam forums with problems with the exact same card.

    From my own investigations, I believe it's specific mobo/card combination specific, but I've not found a discernable pattern.

    If you've got a Via chipset mobo, you seem to have tripled your chances of the problem though. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    - Shockwave
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Bah, I've heard complaints from both sides (Nvidea and ATI) and all I can say is don't listen to anyone. Just go for it and hope for the best. That's right, don't even listen to me. I have no idea what i'm talking about.
  • ThE_HeRoThE_HeRo Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12723Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Jun 21 2004, 09:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Jun 21 2004, 09:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I currently have a Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB and it runs fine and I've never had any wierd fps drop that you are talking about. I just suggest that you <b>DO NOT</b> buy an Nvidia card. All of my friends that have upgraded to an Nvidia card have had severe problems with them. But also as Marine01 said it might be best just to wait and see if the prices drop on the x800's. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I had a Ti4200, crappiest card EVER. I had problems so severe that I couldn't even start up windows without the card crashing. I'm now on a 9600XT, and I love it. ATi for the win.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    Yea, I've had a cheapo 9000 Pro for a while now. It Still works great after over a year of operation, and it is the cheapo card <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    If you have your heart set on the 9800XT now, like they said, wait untell the X800 comes out and save some $$$, or get the X800 instead <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • EEKEEK Join Date: 2004-02-25 Member: 26898Banned
    Don't get XT, don't get 256 MB memory, and don't fall for 8x AGP.
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-ThE HeRo+Jun 21 2004, 11:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ThE HeRo @ Jun 21 2004, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I had a Ti4200, crappiest card EVER. I had problems so severe that I couldn't even start up windows without the card crashing. I'm now on a 9600XT, and I love it. ATi for the win. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've got a GF4Ti4200, NEVAH had troubles so far...
  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zaggy+Jun 21 2004, 06:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zaggy @ Jun 21 2004, 06:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ThE HeRo+Jun 21 2004, 11:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ThE HeRo @ Jun 21 2004, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I had a Ti4200, crappiest card EVER.  I had problems so severe that I couldn't even start up windows without the card crashing.  I'm now on a 9600XT, and I love it.  ATi for the win. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've got a GF4Ti4200, NEVAH had troubles so far... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i got a Ti4200
    i get less than 10fps on Typhoon rising and 10-30fps on america's army :/
    Other than that, it hasnt combusted or anything
  • TenSixTenSix Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7932Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-raz0r+Jun 21 2004, 12:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (raz0r @ Jun 21 2004, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zaggy+Jun 21 2004, 06:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zaggy @ Jun 21 2004, 06:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ThE HeRo+Jun 21 2004, 11:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ThE HeRo @ Jun 21 2004, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I had a Ti4200, crappiest card EVER.  I had problems so severe that I couldn't even start up windows without the card crashing.  I'm now on a 9600XT, and I love it.  ATi for the win. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've got a GF4Ti4200, NEVAH had troubles so far... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i got a Ti4200
    i get less than 10fps on Typhoon rising and 10-30fps on america's army :/
    Other than that, it hasnt combusted or anything <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Mine did when the fan failed due to dust buildup. Killed the power supply too.
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    if you just want it for gaming and hardcore fps, get a radeon 9600 XT, pure framerate at your grasp, but if you are more of a render'ing person and is going to use all the smartshaders etc, go for the 9800 pro
  • Ultra_SS2_VegetaUltra_SS2_Vegeta Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21079Members
    if we are allready talking about radeon cards i got a problem... i got ATI Radeon 9600 pro 128mb and for some reason i cant run hl more the 60 fps...

    and the best i got was 85 not stable...
    help plz
  • EEKEEK Join Date: 2004-02-25 Member: 26898Banned
    Learn what a refresh rate is, what vsync is, and why you shouldn't go over it, and there's your answer.
  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Jun 21 2004, 02:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Jun 21 2004, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I currently have a Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB and it runs fine and I've never had any wierd fps drop that you are talking about. I just suggest that you <b>DO NOT</b> buy an Nvidia card. All of my friends that have upgraded to an Nvidia card have had severe problems with them. But also as Marine01 said it might be best just to wait and see if the prices drop on the x800's. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Iv had an FPS drop in steam on the 9800Pro 128Mb but its still playable after the atipatch etc is turrned on (only 40fps tho).
  • Ultra_SS2_VegetaUltra_SS2_Vegeta Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21079Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jun 21 2004, 09:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jun 21 2004, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Learn what a refresh rate is, what vsync is, and why you shouldn't go over it, and there's your answer. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Vysnc ALLWAYS ON

    refresh rate is 85...cant higher but i dont care its 85.. i want it STABLE ON THE BEST PERFOREMNCE
  • Daza4Daza4 Kerc Kasha Join Date: 2003-04-06 Member: 15233Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Marine01+Jun 21 2004, 10:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Jun 21 2004, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Daza dont do it! Must I come to bunker and beat some sense into you - buying a brand new radeon 9800XT now is insanity!

    Pretty soon the ATi x800 and the NVidia 6800 are going to come out and probably lop AUD$200 of the price of an 9800 - so you'd be waaayyy better off holding on to your money for a while. Also, before you get that puppy make sure you have a decent powersupply ie above 300W. I know its kinda basic but plenty of people forget stuff like that..... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well I wasn't planning on buying it NOW but rather a bit later(around octoberish) But thanks for all your help guys , I'm going for a 9800pro so I can get the best performance out of everygame, i'm sick of playing games on low D:.
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    I've got a Radeon 9200 128mb...

    No real problems in HL...although, if you're looking at a Turret farm, along with 16 marines and an Onos on the highest settings...well, then it slows down a little.

    ...Generally it's a solid 60+ frame rate otherwise.


    ...Then again, I only have 256mb of ram running Windows XP...so I'm sure if you've got more it'd run better. Anyway...no spontaneous FPS drops over here.
  • rknZrknZ Join Date: 2003-10-23 Member: 21885Members
    Radeon 9800 pro

    Solid 100fps (300 with developer 1, 600 on low gfx settings)
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    edited June 2004
    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34027' target='_blank'>Roob's Fps/vsync Guide, Using winXP/2k? Stuck on 60fps? READ ON://Roob's Fps/vsync Guide, Using w... 60fps? READ ON</a>
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    R9500 Pro reporting in. 100fps, rock-solid, VSync on. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    The X800 series is already available by the way... the local Fry's has the X600 and X800 XTPE available on the shelf. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> But not a GF6 in sight. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    And yet again. 'developer' gives pseudo-fps. The HL engine has a hardcoded limit of 100fps.
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    You lucky Americans have the x800, but it hasnt arrived in Aust yet, so we still have insanely high prices for 9800's....
  • Daza4Daza4 Kerc Kasha Join Date: 2003-04-06 Member: 15233Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Marine01+Jun 22 2004, 10:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Jun 22 2004, 10:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You lucky Americans have the x800, but it hasnt arrived in Aust yet, so we still have insanely high prices for 9800's.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Marine look here. <a href='http://www.gamedude.com.au/prod_list.php?maingroup=VIDEO%20CARD&secondgroup=ATI%20X800' target='_blank'>Game dude.com.au</a>
  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ultra SS2.Vegeta+Jun 21 2004, 07:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ultra SS2.Vegeta @ Jun 21 2004, 07:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jun 21 2004, 09:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jun 21 2004, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Learn what a refresh rate is, what vsync is, and why you shouldn't go over it, and there's your answer. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Vysnc ALLWAYS ON

    refresh rate is 85...cant higher but i dont care its 85.. i want it STABLE ON THE BEST PERFOREMNCE <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    buh?

    Im running HL on a Ti4200(64MB version) NS tends to get around 50-60fps while just walking around, but as soon as anything happens, it drops to 20-30, at which point it becomes almost unplayable.

    My big comp upgrade can't come soon enough

    New GFX card, prefferably a new mouse, as this one lags like a mofo, 2.0GHz CPU just doesn't cut it anymore, and i might get a new mobo, but i don't know how to chec k what kind of mobo i have right now :/
  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Daza400+Jun 22 2004, 12:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Daza400 @ Jun 22 2004, 12:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Marine look here. <a href='http://www.gamedude.com.au/prod_list.php?maingroup=VIDEO%20CARD&secondgroup=ATI%20X800' target='_blank'>Game dude.com.au</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Whoa the second graphics card on that website costed more then my whole computer! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Ultra_SS2_VegetaUltra_SS2_Vegeta Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21079Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-raz0r+Jun 22 2004, 05:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (raz0r @ Jun 22 2004, 05:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ultra SS2.Vegeta+Jun 21 2004, 07:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ultra SS2.Vegeta @ Jun 21 2004, 07:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jun 21 2004, 09:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jun 21 2004, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Learn what a refresh rate is, what vsync is, and why you shouldn't go over it, and there's your answer. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Vysnc ALLWAYS ON

    refresh rate is 85...cant higher but i dont care its 85.. i want it STABLE ON THE BEST PERFOREMNCE <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    buh?

    Im running HL on a Ti4200(64MB version) NS tends to get around 50-60fps while just walking around, but as soon as anything happens, it drops to 20-30, at which point it becomes almost unplayable.

    My big comp upgrade can't come soon enough

    New GFX card, prefferably a new mouse, as this one lags like a mofo, 2.0GHz CPU just doesn't cut it anymore, and i might get a new mobo, but i don't know how to chec k what kind of mobo i have right now :/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    dont worry lad
    i count on u to laugh on me when u will have a new comp <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SandstormSandstorm Join Date: 2003-09-25 Member: 21205Members
    edited June 2004
    As I recall, I bought a 9800XT because they were out of stock of the 9800Pro, which was $250 instead of $450. Definitely overpriced, but it beats a GF4MX by a long shot.

    If you have performance problems, make sure you disable Fast Write, as that completely fixed my problems. However, Windows 2000 had issues with rebooting when changing these settings, so it took awhile to make the changes stick.

    Since ATI's newest cards are out on the market, you may as well take a look at them instead. Remember that motherboards are moving to the PCI-Express bus, which will make AGP obsolete.

    Edit:
    For those who think Half-Life can't exceed 100fps, I suggest you run in developer mode by typing "developer 1". This removes the 100fps cap on the fps_max cvar.
  • Daza4Daza4 Kerc Kasha Join Date: 2003-04-06 Member: 15233Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sandstorm+Jun 23 2004, 06:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sandstorm @ Jun 23 2004, 06:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As I recall, I bought a 9800XT because they were out of stock of the 9800Pro, which was $250 instead of $450. Definitely overpriced, but it beats a GF4MX by a long shot.

    If you have performance problems, make sure you disable Fast Write, as that completely fixed my problems. However, Windows 2000 had issues with rebooting when changing these settings, so it took awhile to make the changes stick.

    Since ATI's newest cards are out on the market, you may as well take a look at them instead. Remember that motherboards are moving to the PCI-Express bus, which will make AGP obsolete.

    Edit:
    For those who think Half-Life can't exceed 100fps, I suggest you run in developer mode by typing "developer 1". This removes the 100fps cap on the fps_max cvar. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its Australian Dollars, its like double american.
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