Some Technical Help Needed

RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Anyone know about Windows XP?</div> The other night I went out to dinner, and came back to be greeted by a black screen on my computer telling me that c:/windows/system32/drivers ntfs.sys was corrupted or missing (I run Windows XP Professional edition btw). I tried rebooting, but it just made things worse. My system refused to boot, and when I tried to run knoppix to check my hdds, it told me it had experianced a "kernal panic", and also refused to boot.

So I took my main drive out and plugged it into a mate's system. I did a full virus scan with the latest version of Norton and did a full scan disc. Both said nothing was wrong.

I wondered whether copying the ntfs.sys file from my mate's computer to my own would fix mine. I did just that, and my system is currently working. I have two questions: firstly, would copying the file across really fix things, or is it just temporary, and secondly, what could have happened in the first place to make the file not work?

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  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    Did you turn it off before you went out? Did you turn it off properly? If you just cut the power without shutting it down properly, there is a chance that the driver could have become corrupted.
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    My guess would be a virus of some sort, that or an everyday "Windows Crash: I'm lovin it™". And yes fixing the file (nt file system file?) would fix it until it gets corruped again.
  • littlewildlittlewild Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9467Members
    Uh guys, he said both XP and Knoppix failed to boot. At least read his post before trying to help.

    Since you said your harddisk worked fine on your buddy's computer, have you checked to see if it is a physical hardware error? eg. MB, RAM or CPU?
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    Backup what you want and format. Problem solved.
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Members, Constellation
    Knoppix failing to boot is interesting... ntfs.sys would be responsible for the NT filesystem. Knoppix wouldn't need to access that (unless you mount an NTFS partition) and even if it did, it shouldn't cause a kernel panic. I can't find anything on google or linuxquestions about these two things being related...

    As for why NTFS.sys got corrupted in the first place, sounds like a random "feature" of windows that we all love... the unexplained crash.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    Don't worry, your fix isn't temporary. Somehow, an important windows file was deleted. That file was required in some way to boot the computer. You replaced it. Everything is fine.

    Had this happen to me a while back with noskernal32.dll. As long as you replace the file its fine, its not a hardware problem, it is completely software probably. Dunno how you lost the file, but the only real problem was booting because once again, you needed that file to boot.
  • ElvenThiefElvenThief aka Elven Thief (ex. NS Programmer) Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8754Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Try a knoppix26 instead of just booting normal knoppix and see if it panics then. Otherwise, I don't think there is anything corresponding unless you have faililng hardware, and you'd need some really failing hardware to drop knoppix.
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Members, Constellation
    Yeah the only thing in knoppix that would touch the ntfs.sys is captive (Linux NTFS driver), and that's only in the newest version of knoppix.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Did you turn it off before you went out? Did you turn it off properly? If you just cut the power without shutting it down properly, there is a chance that the driver could have become corrupted.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That's the thing; I didn't shut down. I just turned the moniter off and left it idleing. When I came back it showed me the screen.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Since you said your harddisk worked fine on your buddy's computer, have you checked to see if it is a physical hardware error? eg. MB, RAM or CPU?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Everything else seems fine. I've run a few diagnotic checks since putting my hdd back in and everything checks out ok.

    My main concern is this happening again; if as the general concensus seems to be this was just a random Window's occurance, then I'm not overly concerned. I wasn't aware that Windows XP could randomly screw itself up; ever since I've had it there's been no problems for me. Is there any way to stop Windows from doing this kind of thing, or at least minimise the chance? Luckily for me this whole problem happened the day after my 4th year university exams ended, and I shudder to think what would have happened if it had croped up a day or two earlier.

    Thanks for the info guys <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    Basically, I would just leave it. If it screws up again, try a clean format.
  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    oooo boy

    I had gotten this error like a bajillion times, turned out my harddisk was wearing out.

    Maybe yours is? Try checking a few months later if it constantly reboots when it's supposed to load the login screen.

    As for how it got to the blackscreen, sometimes powerlines go whack or something. Mine did a month ago, and my PC restarted unsafely. In that way, Steam and Warcraft got corrupted. I was just lucky I wasn't running scandisk.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    Well, all was good until I rebooted.

    Now XP won't boot. Where the XP loading screen usually pops up, it's just black. No text, no error messages, nothing.

    I'm gonna transfer my data off it tonight, I'm just praying that I *can* get the stuff off it. Man this sucks.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-RaVe+Jun 21 2004, 02:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Jun 21 2004, 02:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> oooo boy

    I had gotten this error like a bajillion times, turned out my harddisk was wearing out.

    Maybe yours is? Try checking a few months later if it constantly reboots when it's supposed to load the login screen.

    As for how it got to the blackscreen, sometimes powerlines go whack or something. Mine did a month ago, and my PC restarted unsafely. In that way, Steam and Warcraft got corrupted. I was just lucky I wasn't running scandisk. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    In the last 3 days I have lost power 5 times with the computer running every one, Haven't experianced a single corrupt program... But then I have like 5 active processes running, so the computer doesn't exactly have to scramble to get those closed.
  • ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
    I'd make a bootable CD with a good version of NTFS.sys with an autoexec.bat that copies the fresh version over the corrupt one. Just as a holdover untill you can format that puppy.

    --Scythe--
  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ryo-Ohki+Jun 21 2004, 04:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Jun 21 2004, 04:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, all was good until I rebooted.

    Now XP won't boot. Where the XP loading screen usually pops up, it's just black. No text, no error messages, nothing.

    I'm gonna transfer my data off it tonight, I'm just praying that I *can* get the stuff off it. Man this sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ok, it officially sounds like harddrive failure.

    Mine did, and it had the same symptoms....with added problems. Here's the list of problems my harddrive had when it failed:

    - Failing to reboot, leading to black screen
    - Constant reboot when loading login screen
    - Ever-corrupting dlls (ntfs.sys, other important files)
    - Scandisk won't continue to phase 2/3
    - Defragment doesn't work
    - Weird program shutdowns and memory read errors

    And that's not all. Unfortunately, I've always had a headache remembering what happens to stuff =____________=

    So yeah, best bet is to get a new hard disk, because it really sounds like a damaged one.

    I had this problem, ignored it, until it kept telling me that ntfs.sys was corrupted or damaged, and it sure was. Couldn't boot into XP. Ever.
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Members, Constellation
    I had a comp that did stuff like this (corrupted the registry on every shutdown) but it was caused by a really really old video card believe it or not. No idea how, but replacing the video card fixed it.
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