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NaigelNaigel Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18376Members, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">this weird visual bug.</div> Hey, here's the story:

At first I got a bit over 150 fps ingame... my brother said to me to install a particular driver so I could get even more, so I did. Apparently the driver sucked arse and my fps dropped to 60 fps (I know, but v-sync was off, as it always was). So I reinstalled the old driver again and I got my high fps back again. But now I get weird visual errors ingame, and if I use the flash light the bug dissappears!
My videocard is G-Force FX 5200 (yes, I know it sucks).

3 screens coming your way to clearify the bug.
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  • NaigelNaigel Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18376Members, Constellation
    edited June 2004
    pic 1: the bug.
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  • NaigelNaigel Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18376Members, Constellation
    edited June 2004
    pic 2: when I turn on flash...
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  • NaigelNaigel Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18376Members, Constellation
    edited June 2004
    pic 3: turned flash off, it's normal now...
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  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    call me blind if you want, but I can see no difference (apart from the FPS and such) in those 3 screens. Could you explain your problem more clearly? (apart from just saying bug)
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  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    I don't see a difference between the first and third...
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  • NaigelNaigel Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18376Members, Constellation
    edited June 2004
    Well, I've made a .gif file, you can clearly see the bug in it. But the .gif is 300 kb!

    -EDIT-

    Tried to lower the size a bit, it's around 200 kb now... still too large.
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  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    I see it, that blue spot? Anyway, I recently reformatted and now I get frame drops n my 9800xt and that same kind of problem (miscoloration etc). It's really bugging me.
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  • RPG_JssmfulhudRPG_Jssmfulhud Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4006Members
    Pardon me for going off-topic, but why the hell wouldn't you be satisfied with 100 fps? You don't even see the difference beyond 50 or so.
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  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    I think you do, Coil explained it once, something about the more pictar per second you see the more motion blur..
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  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-RPG_Jssmfulhud+Jun 9 2004, 11:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RPG_Jssmfulhud @ Jun 9 2004, 11:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Pardon me for going off-topic, but why the hell wouldn't you be satisfied with 100 fps? You don't even see the difference beyond 50 or so. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Funny thing, the eye isn't digital.

    Even though some people quantify it's visual absorbtion rates in FPS terms, it still doesn't quite work the same as a display.
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  • RPG_JssmfulhudRPG_Jssmfulhud Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4006Members
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-[WHO+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([WHO)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Them,Jun 9 2004, 09:07 PM] <!--QuoteBegin-RPG_Jssmfulhud+Jun 9 2004, 11:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RPG_Jssmfulhud @ Jun 9 2004, 11:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Pardon me for going off-topic, but why the hell wouldn't you be satisfied with 100 fps? You don't even see the difference beyond 50 or so. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Funny thing, the eye isn't digital.

    Even though some people quantify it's visual absorbtion rates in FPS terms, it still doesn't quite work the same as a display. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I never said the eyes were <i>digital</i> and I never said the eye had 50 fps. I just said there is no difference between looking at 100 or 120 fps. Maybe there is a slight difference, but it's like driving 120 or 125 km/h.

    EDIT: Typo.
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  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-RPG_Jssmfulhud+Jun 9 2004, 12:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RPG_Jssmfulhud @ Jun 9 2004, 12:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe there is a slight difference <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's all I'm trying to say.
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  • RPG_JssmfulhudRPG_Jssmfulhud Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4006Members
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-[WHO+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([WHO)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Them,Jun 9 2004, 09:10 PM] <!--QuoteBegin-RPG_Jssmfulhud+Jun 9 2004, 12:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RPG_Jssmfulhud @ Jun 9 2004, 12:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe there is a slight difference <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's all I'm trying to say. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And it was worth reinstalling the drivers and screwing it up? I ask you... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    EDIT: Okay, I'm through with hijacking this thread.. Sorry... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    edited June 2004
    I don't see any difference between the before and after pics. You're going to have to describe the problem.

    Blah, I'm so used to low fps in HL being an ATI problem.
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  • brute_forcebrute_force Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21433Members, Constellation
    Uh, there is obviously a miscoloration in the top picture. You just have to look closely.
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  • Jim_has_SkillzJim_has_Skillz Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12475Members, Constellation
    Yeah, I didn't get it either until I installed the most recent drivers from nvidia. I am guessing some of the newest drivers are forgetting about old games and therefore are creating weird visual errors. I think the weirdest error it's giving me is random colors at a distance, they dissappear as you get closer to them. I forgot what they called them but I read about it in maximum pc once. Anyways, I don't really mind because I play hl for fun, there isn't anything really pretty about hl or its engine anyways.
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  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-RPG_Jssmfulhud+Jun 9 2004, 08:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RPG_Jssmfulhud @ Jun 9 2004, 08:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Pardon me for going off-topic, but why the hell wouldn't you be satisfied with 100 fps? You don't even see the difference beyond 50 or so. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    it's like a non-digital camera film. The longer the picture gets to "print" itself on the film, the more color there is. If you move the film around, there's some blurry image. That's why when you film a car zooming by, the film actually sees the car blurrily if the film isn't "fast enough"
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  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-ShdwStal+Jun 9 2004, 11:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ShdwStal @ Jun 9 2004, 11:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Uh, there is obviously a miscoloration in the top picture. You just have to look closely. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its not obvious if you have to look closely. That defies the very nature of obviousness. That may not be a word, but I'm still using it.
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  • brute_forcebrute_force Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21433Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Jun 9 2004, 09:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Jun 9 2004, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ShdwStal+Jun 9 2004, 11:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ShdwStal @ Jun 9 2004, 11:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Uh, there is obviously a miscoloration in the top picture. You just have to look closely. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its not obvious if you have to look closely. That defies the very nature of obviousness. That may not be a word, but I'm still using it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Uh, after noticing it, it is quite obvious. Atleast to me, it stands out alot. However, at first glance I couldn't see any difference.
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  • GnatsumGnatsum Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10566Members
    How about some PC SpecS ?
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  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    I get that stuff on the walls of maps all the time. But a quick flash of the torch and all is well.
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  • camO_ocamO_o Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28028Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-RPG_Jssmfulhud+Jun 9 2004, 02:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RPG_Jssmfulhud @ Jun 9 2004, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I never said the eyes were <i>digital</i> and I never said the eye had 50 fps. I just said there is no difference between looking at 100 or 120 fps. Maybe there is a slight difference, but it's like driving 120 or 125 km/h.

    EDIT: Typo. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i can feel a huge difference between 50-70. when you play as much as me, you start to notice immediately when your mouse responses are slower, and it's pretty annoying.

    anyway - i have the same bug (same gfx card), but it never bothered me because it's so minor. i've never seen blue-black-brown skulks anyways, so i wouldn't bother with it.
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  • NaigelNaigel Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18376Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Gnatsum+Jun 9 2004, 11:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gnatsum @ Jun 9 2004, 11:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How about some PC SpecS ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OS: WinXP Professional 5.1 (Build #2600)
    CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2400+ (T-Bred) , 1.99 GHz
    Video: Plug en Play on nVidia GeForce FX 5200
    Sound: SB Live! Wave Device
    Memory: 512MB

    Need to know more?

    If you don't see the error that well on that picture I'll repost 3 screenshots in another section, where you can see the bug more clearly.
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  • NaigelNaigel Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18376Members, Constellation
    NS_ECLIPSE 1/3
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  • NaigelNaigel Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18376Members, Constellation
    2/3
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  • NaigelNaigel Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18376Members, Constellation
    edited June 2004
    3/3, I'm <b>not</b> bothered with the fps, it's just the weird visual bug which is bothering me... so forget all the stuff about the fps.
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  • StewieStewie Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18795Members
    You complain about that ?! Start complaining when some hippies on acid decide to paint Faceoff in some funky fresh new colors

    Like this <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • DaedalusDaedalus Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15152Members
    Just a thought, when I've had trouble with video drivers causing games to freeze etc, I've used <a href='http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/' target='_blank'>Driver Cleaner</a> which fixed the problem up. It's worth a try...
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  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    Pretty...
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  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    This bug, I have it too, never found a solution though.
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