What's The Worst That Could Happen To Star Wars?

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  • TheWizardTheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    George Lucas is the master of subtlety and symbolism.

    I like how he made mention that Anakin had no father, I mean wow, I know I heard that story before but I just can't place it. His mother was such a trooper, giving birth and all without a second thought as to how the heck she got pregnant in the first place. Of course, I guess such occurances are not so far fetched.

    But the subtlety and symbolism, how could I forget.
    For instance, when the jedi convinced that kid to stop smoking "death-sticks". All I could think of was how amazingly similar that was to our current youth smoking problem. He is a genius for calling them death-sticks. Capturing the end result of such an item in such a simple and artistic phrase. The symbolism was so subtle yet not glaring.



    /end of sarcasm
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    Ooh you liked that too Wizard? Wasn't it so cool and hip how George Lucas sold out and put political messages in his movie which have absolutly nothing to do with the plot?

    I think I just kind of turned my brain off after that scene, too bad it was so early on I probably missed out on a good movie....oh wait I didn't, ok.
  • DefianceDefiance Join Date: 2003-12-01 Member: 23847Members
    wootwoot

    Movies these days are tottaly going down the *******. AvP got a PG-13 rating, CatWoman was garbage, and King-Arthur also got hacked down to a PG-13 rating.

    It seems to be a growing trend of movies getting the shaft these days... no matter when they were made, or what movie. This one being Star Wars... which really pisses me off. Why the hell would they add/do such stupid and pointless things?
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    [Snipit from Revenge of the Sith]

    Obwian and Anikan confront a governer about decieving his people into thinking Ewoks have weapons of mass destruction. Using force powers they make him confess and the people vote Republican Alternative.
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    AAAAAAH! THREAD ZOMBIE! KILL IT!

    While I agree with the points made in this post, isn't this still threadomancy?
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    Considering the last 4 pages were made today.......no.
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    If people start complaining about NS, most people's response is "don't play it then". If you don't like the new movies, don't watch them. It's simple. The original trilogy is perfectly fine without these new ones. And i personally like both of them (then again, i liked Reloaded and Revolutions too, so i'm probably in the minority).
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Jul 27 2004, 04:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Jul 27 2004, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> George Lucas is the master of subtlety and symbolism.

    I like how he made mention that Anakin had no father, I mean wow, I know I heard that story before but I just can't place it. His mother was such a trooper, giving birth and all without a second thought as to how the heck she got pregnant in the first place. Of course, I guess such occurances are not so far fetched.

    But the subtlety and symbolism, how could I forget.
    For instance, when the jedi convinced that kid to stop smoking "death-sticks". All I could think of was how amazingly similar that was to our current youth smoking problem. He is a genius for calling them death-sticks. Capturing the end result of such an item in such a simple and artistic phrase. The symbolism was so subtle yet not glaring.



    /end of sarcasm <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Let's take a poll. Who here thought the death sticks bit, which lasted a couple of seconds, was a badly concealed anti-smoking jab aimed at America's youth? And who thinks it was just an attempt at humor, like half the stuff C-3PO ever said or did, or half of everything Yoda did in The Empire Strikes Back, or any of the zillions of other humorous moments in the Star Wars series of movies? Yeah, I think most people voted for #2.
  • TheWizardTheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jul 27 2004, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 27 2004, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Let's take a poll. Who here thought the death sticks bit, which lasted a couple of seconds, was a badly concealed anti-smoking jab aimed at America's youth? And who thinks it was just an attempt at humor, like half the stuff C-3PO ever said or did, or half of everything Yoda did in The Empire Strikes Back, or any of the zillions of other humorous moments in the Star Wars series of movies? Yeah, I think most people voted for #2. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The 'death-sticks' scene was a simple representation of the attempts by Lucas to establish pathos with the audience. It was the word 'death-stick' that caused my suspension of disbelief to fly out the window as I was jarred by the real life colloquial and disparaging term for cigarettes.

    I would have preferred any term that would have sounded relevant in the Star Wars universe. I cannot imagine that on any street corner there would be someone offering 'death sticks' From all of our wonderfully colorful drug euphemisms, Lucas decided on a political message and continued his alienation of his audience.

    An attempt at humor would have been depicting Jar-Jar 'discovering' the effects of some street-peddled drug. And a more accurate political message would have been the Jedi helping some alcoholic bum off the streets.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Jul 27 2004, 10:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Jul 27 2004, 10:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The 'death-sticks' scene was a simple representation of the attempts by Lucas to establish pathos with the audience.  It was the word 'death-stick' that caused my suspension of disbelief to fly out the window as I was jarred by the real life colloquial and disparaging term for cigarettes. 

    I would have preferred any term that would have sounded relevant in the Star Wars universe.  I cannot imagine that on any street corner there would be someone offering 'death sticks'  From all of our wonderfully colorful drug euphemisms, Lucas decided on a political message and continued his alienation of his audience.

    An attempt at humor would have been depicting Jar-Jar 'discovering' the effects of some street-peddled drug.  And a more accurate political message would have been the Jedi helping some alcoholic bum off the streets. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What, you would have preferred they call them <a href='http://www1.theforce.net/cuswe/search.asp?search=death+stick' target='_blank'>treated ixetal cilona sticks</a> instead of death sticks, which is a perfectly acceptable slang term that you could easily see applied to some sort of addictive drug?
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Ixy cilly sticks.


    Much more catchy. Yeah.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    Good grief wizard@psu, you've done a lot of grandiose rants in this thread, only to backpedal when challenged. If you don't mean what you're writing, write it differently.
  • TheWizardTheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jul 27 2004, 08:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jul 27 2004, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Good grief wizard@psu, you've done a lot of grandiose rants in this thread, only to backpedal when challenged. If you don't mean what you're writing, write it differently. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you don't understand what I am stating please quote it and ask what I meant. I don't remember backpedaling, just clarifying.
  • TheWizardTheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Jul 27 2004, 12:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Jul 27 2004, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jul 27 2004, 12:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jul 27 2004, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And the point was already made that Star Wars is a <b><i>movie</i></b>. A <b><i>movie</i></b> that is being changed by its <b><i>writer and director</i></b>. He is not a Nazi for changing a <b>fictional movie</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For heaven's sake. I tie in a reference in 1984 of the memory holes, and because 1984 was partially influenced by the techniques of propaganda during WWII, combine it with you misunderstanding a quote of mine, I am now accused of linking George Lucas with Nazis?


    Calm down a second and realize that my comments were a light hearted jab at the process of altering a film after the fact. Not some religious crusade against the evils of the world.

    Then again, this is the internet and we get all sorts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I take it this is what you were referencing in the backpedaling accusation. I hardly consider my clarifications when somone misunderstands a statement backpedaling.


    Now, in a nonbackpedaling sort of way, we can discuss this topic or you can argue more about its relevance. After all, it is just a... how did you put it? Ahh yes, in bold, <b>movie.</b>


    [edit] *I am retiring from this thread. I just wanted to discuss releasing altered 'originals' not debate the relevance of such a discussion*
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    I have only one thing to say:


    ****
  • JavertJavert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members
    This is terrible...
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Anyone who did not bother to click the link, I recommend listening to <a href='http://www.grimbythehutt.com/gupta/esb_emperor-vader.mp3' target='_blank'>this sound clip</a> (mp3 format). It is altered dialogue between the Emperor and Vader in <i>Empire</i>; Vader's lines are unchanged, but the Emperor's lines are RADICALLY different and COMPLETELY alter the scene. This is exactly the kind of crap that's got fans of the original series so up in arms.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    Is there an original sound clip laying around there for those who don't recall such things?
  • JavertJavert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jul 27 2004, 09:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jul 27 2004, 09:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is there an original sound clip laying around there for those who don't recall such things? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For one thing, he didn't say "search your feelings". And frankly, would a Sith even ever say that?!
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    A sith would say search your <b><i>Passion</i></b>
  • The_NemesisThe_Nemesis Join Date: 2002-11-23 Member: 9724Members
    Original:
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->PALPATINE: We have a new enemy. Luke Skywalker.
    VADER: Yes. my master.
    PALPATINE: He could destroy us.
    vADER: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->New:
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->PALPATINE: We have a new enemy. The young Rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.
    VADER: How is that possible?
    PALPATINE: Search your feelings Lord Vader. You will know it to be true. He could destroy us.
    VADER: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Javert+Jul 28 2004, 12:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Javert @ Jul 28 2004, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jul 27 2004, 09:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jul 27 2004, 09:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is there an original sound clip laying around there for those who don't recall such things? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For one thing, he didn't say "search your feelings". And frankly, would a Sith even ever say that?! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Luke: That's not true... that's impossible!!! *whines*
    Vader: Search your feelings.. you know it to be true...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Already used by a Sith. :P
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jul 28 2004, 02:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jul 28 2004, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Javert+Jul 28 2004, 12:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Javert @ Jul 28 2004, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jul 27 2004, 09:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jul 27 2004, 09:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is there an original sound clip laying around there for those who don't recall such things? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For one thing, he didn't say "search your feelings". And frankly, would a Sith even ever say that?! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Luke: That's not true... that's impossible!!! *whines*
    Vader: Search your feelings.. you know it to be true...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Already used by a Sith. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think Javert means a Sith wouldn't tell <i>another Sith</i> to search their feelings. Evil bastards aren't meant to have 'em.
  • SurgeSurge asda4a3sklflkgh Join Date: 2002-07-14 Member: 944Members
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    you'd think he'd be content ruining the prequels to Star Wars but then he goes off to ruin the classic originals.

    What a jackass.
  • TheWizardTheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->PALPATINE: We have a new enemy. The young Rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.
    VADER: How is that possible?
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Oh.... I think you know.
  • NeonSpyderNeonSpyder &quot;Das est NTLDR?&quot; Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17913Members
    i've been telling you people that George Lucas is a lunatic ever since 1998, I saw it before everyone else~ he's a right-wing nutjob who has never forgivin germany for what it did decades ago. he's lost his nut, he's going to butcher the classics, and love doing it.

    <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-NeonSpyder+Jul 28 2004, 10:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NeonSpyder @ Jul 28 2004, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i've been telling you people that George Lucas is a lunatic ever since 1998, I saw it before everyone else~ he's a right-wing nutjob who has never forgivin germany for what it did decades ago. he's lost his nut, he's going to butcher the classics, and love doing it.

    <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Could we get some, you know, evidence?
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    Jeeze you sound like a bunch of whiners. If Lucas wants to change <b>HIS</b> film then let him.

    Either that or move on.

    [Now I get flamed into oblivion]
  • JavertJavert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jul 27 2004, 10:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jul 27 2004, 10:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Javert+Jul 28 2004, 12:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Javert @ Jul 28 2004, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jul 27 2004, 09:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jul 27 2004, 09:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is there an original sound clip laying around there for those who don't recall such things? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For one thing, he didn't say "search your feelings". And frankly, would a Sith even ever say that?! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Luke: That's not true... that's impossible!!! *whines*
    Vader: Search your feelings.. you know it to be true...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Already used by a Sith. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You got me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> though that was more of a luring tactic for Vader than something heartfelt.
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