So I'm Considering Switching To Firefox...

DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever.Members, NS1 Playtester Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Posts: 8,596
Dunno, some things are bugging me...
So I'm trying out Firefox again, considering making the switch. 24 hours ago I was preaching my dislike of tabbed browsing, but now I think I want to invent a time machine to go and shake myself yelling "Quaid, start the reactor!!!" to teach myself a lesson...

I also got a theme that makes it look just like IE6. Not that I like IE6, its just that it isn't ugly, and well,all the other skins are fuguly...

But right now there's 2 really big annoyances that keep me from throwing away IE...

1) Autocomplete. Firefox doesn't have inline autocomplete. This makes me very, very sad. There's no extension for this, I looked. :(

2) Can't turn off XP's visual styles for web pages. Bah. There's no plug-in to do this either. :/

After a fresh install though, Firefox sucks. A lot. You gotta spend like 4 hours tweaking it and downloading extensions and editing your freakin config files by hand to tweak it to not be utter **** and start to be a half decent package. Hope I don't have to reinstall anytime soon.

Also there's a few other hassles, such as not being able to ever remove an extension once you install it (WTH were they smoking?) and raging instability (Firefox has crashed on me about 12 times since installing it, whereas IE never ever crashes unless its a page that was designed to make IE crash). And I miss my Google Toolbar. The Firefox one looks incredibly stupid...

So, those of you in the crowd who are diciples of the Firefox church, what say you as to ways to solve my current delimas and thus gain another wacko to your fanclub?
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  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Members Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Posts: 3,226
    QUOTE (DOOManiac @ May 24 2004, 12:59 AM)
    So I'm trying out Firefox again, considering making the switch. 24 hours ago I was preaching my dislike of tabbed browsing, but now I think I want to invent a time machine to go and shake myself yelling "Quaid, start the reactor!!!" to teach myself a lesson...

    I also got a theme that makes it look just like IE6. Not that I like IE6, its just that it isn't ugly, and well,all the other skins are fuguly...

    But right now there's 2 really big annoyances that keep me from throwing away IE...

    1) Autocomplete. Firefox doesn't have inline autocomplete. This makes me very, very sad. There's no extension for this, I looked. sad.gif

    2) Can't turn off XP's visual styles for web pages. Bah. There's no plug-in to do this either. :/

    After a fresh install though, Firefox sucks. A lot. You gotta spend like 4 hours tweaking it and downloading extensions and editing your freakin config files by hand to tweak it to not be utter **** and start to be a half decent package. Hope I don't have to reinstall anytime soon.

    Also there's a few other hassles, such as not being able to ever remove an extension once you install it (WTH were they smoking?) and raging instability (Firefox has crashed on me about 12 times since installing it, whereas IE never ever crashes unless its a page that was designed to make IE crash). And I miss my Google Toolbar. The Firefox one looks incredibly stupid...

    So, those of you in the crowd who are diciples of the Firefox church, what say you as to ways to solve my current delimas and thus gain another wacko to your fanclub?

    WTH are you doing with it? I've only had it crash because I didn't have adobe, opened a pdf, and it started replicating hundreds of windows for some reason. And theres this button that says 'uninstall' for the extensions. Either that or usually (good) extensions have the ability to uninstall within the configs,
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  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Members, NS1 Playtester Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Posts: 8,596
    QUOTE (OttoDestruct @ May 24 2004, 12:07 AM)
    And theres this button that says 'uninstall' for the extensions. Either that or usually (good) extensions have the ability to uninstall within the configs,

    Nope. Skins can be uninstalled, but not extensions. The best you can do is enable/disable them, but even if they are disabled they are still cluttering things up.
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  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Members Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Posts: 4,200 mod
    edited May 2004
    Google = friend. You're not the only one who wanted inline autocomplete. (Haven't tried it myself, but it's one of the first google returns I saw)

    [edit]Here's another one I highly recommend and still use. It took me awhile to get used to the idea that closing the window may close more websites than I intended to, so I found this. Just pops up a simple ok/cancel dialog when you want to close, but have >1 website tab (and therefore have at least one website you may not really want to close quite yet)
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  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Members, NS1 Playtester Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Posts: 8,596
    Saw that link last night, it doesn't work.

    And yeah the tabwarning thing is good.

    Still wish I could disable these blasted visual styles. Man they suck for web sites.
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  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Posts: 2,813 Fully active user
    *waves his hand in front of DOOManiac*

    This isn't the browser you're looking for.


    *waves his hand in front of DOOManiac again*

    IE6 has a great IE6 skin.
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  • Fro5tyFro5ty Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-09-26 Member: 21238Posts: 486
    The only reason you should use a different browser type is if you browse those infested porn sites with all the adware and viruses they have stuck on them. Other then that, IE will work just fine. Not to mention you don't have to spend hours configuring it. Firefox is for the Linux fans out there.
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  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Members Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Posts: 2,543
    edited May 2004
    Plugin Uninstaller plugin (ironic I know):
    http://chrispederick.myacen.com/work/firef...uninstaller.xpi

    requires:
    http://downloads.mozdev.org/jslib/xpi/jslib_current.xpi

    I don't know why uninstallation wasn't designed into the damned thing though.

    What do you mean by "XP's visual styles for web pages"? I'm not an XP user so this one doesn't make sense to me.

    As for inline autocomplete.. no idea...

    QUOTE
    The only reason you should use a different browser type is if you browse those infested porn sites with all the adware and viruses they have stuck on them. Other then that, IE will work just fine. Not to mention you don't have to spend hours configuring it. Firefox is for the Linux fans out there.

    There are other reasons, they may or may not be reasons that would make you consider switching, but they do exist. For instance, I can't live without mouse gestures , and IE gives me that "doing bad things behind your back" feel...
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  • Leaderz0rzLeaderz0rz Members Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7847Posts: 507
    uh your full of crap, IE is full of security flaws no matter what site your visiting, as firefox being for linux users, I;ve used linux once in my life, so thats not true either, Firefox does have its annoy things, BUT the good things easly out weigh the bad things, and IE is just horrible, I used to use IE all the time, untill it got hijacked every other day, and yes i run spybot,adaware,spysweeper etc daily, and no i don't goto adware infested porn sites.
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  • FuryFury Silver Fish Hand Catch Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-08-14 Member: 19673Posts: 534 Fully active user
    i used IE religeously until it stuffed up on me a while back.
    it wouldnt maximise properly

    so now im on firefox 0.8
    WIN!

    took me a while to get the bookmarks working again ,but now its working, its fine biggrin.gif:D
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  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Members Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Posts: 1,633
    Get the sessionsaver extention to help with that dirty crashage, I see removing extensions has been covered.. no idea on that visual styles thing, win2k here.

    QUOTE
    Not to mention you don't have to spend hours configuring it. Firefox is for the Linux fans out there


    L.O.L.

    As opposed to not having the opportunity to customize anything other than your home page and cache? This 'customization period' you speak of is the same as any other browser, and you can go from IE to firefox without any customization (0 seconds is hardly "hours"). However once you find that you have less spyware, popups etc, you like this new browser, you give it a name and hug it regurarly. Eventyally you right click on the toolbar and click customize providing a user friendly way to make browsing easier. Then your happyness is reflected on the forums where you express your love for your pet, and then others who hate you for loving it so criticize it for being too warm and fuzzy.

    Also if you are that into browsers why not buy one, say like Opera? it has alot of the bugs ironed out and is very cool.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710Posts: 6,952 mod
    Actually, IE borks up on these very forums. The complaints people have with 'page not found' errors, such as the search function, are ENTIRELY the fault of IE. IE also ignores a number of standards outright, such as MIME-type matching, which is where the stupidity of 'JPEG viruses' came from. They aren't JPEGs at all.

    Personally, I use the full Mozilla. It has a lot more configuration options than Firefox, though it's a bit bloatier with the e-mail client, web page composer, and Chatzilla (which can be deselected at install-time).
    It also allows you to select a search engine of preference, type your search in the URL bar, hit the down arrow, and searches your engine rather than defaulting to the crappy MSN-Search.


    As for the crashes, have you looked at the optimized builds of Firefox? They're compiled specifically for given processors/OSen off the nightly CVS builds (meaning: they're up to absolute-latest every night). If you still crash with an optimized build, it isn't the program... it's your machine, or OS install.
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  • MoquiaoMoquiao Members Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Posts: 2,946
    i stick by Opera 7.0 smile.gif
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  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Posts: 3,637 Advanced user
    I just use MyIE2. It's got most of the features of Mozilla and Opera, but it's built on the IE rendering engine. (Someone told me that you can even have it use the Mozilla rendering engine, but I haven't tested that.
  • FacTorFacTor Wyoming, MIMembers Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10916Posts: 300 Advanced user
    I used firefox for about a week.. before I went back to MSN Explorer. I couldn't locate any of these "plugins" for it. Firefox seemed to low slower than other browsers. Takes it forever to boot up, and takes forever to load webpages. I like instant loads... not minute long ones.. And since one serverspy.com , it couldnt have the drop down box of previous picked searches right under the text area( It made it appear like, 3 inches to the left over the logo.) , I hated it.
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  • HellbillyHellbilly A whole title out of pity... Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3931Posts: 926
    Opera for me, all the way biggrin.gif

    The new Opera 7.50 is looking sweet.
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Posts: 10,571 Advanced user
    edited May 2004
    I use IE
    I have never had an actualy virus/spyware/adware/anything attack

    then again I am behind a hardware firewall (Linksys that I have never had problems with so *pbbbtttt*), use the google toolbar (and I love it dearly), and run virus proc/otherware proc regularly.

    I have just never seen a reason to switch to a new browser (I also never got the problems with these boards tounge.gif)

    The only other browser I have ever realy used was phoenix (when doing coding asignments in linux in the CS labs), I know it was an old version, and that was probably why it sucked, but meh tounge.gif





    Random note:
    why am I jeuker.no-ip.com asking for my user/pass when ever I look at this page....

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  • Umbraed_MonkeyUmbraed_Monkey Members Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9922Posts: 1,769
    edited May 2004
    The thing that I learned about Firefox is, you shouldnt overdo the customization thing. "Hours and hours of downloading extensions and config modifying" is actually bad for your stability. I would venture to bet that the poor performance and the crashes you are experiencing are due to poorly programmed extensions. Ive found that the stock firefox nightly and a handful of useful extensions (I use adblock, flashblock, and jumplink) gives the best performance, stability and usability.


    QUOTE (factor)
    I used firefox for about a week.. before I went back to MSN Explorer. I couldn't locate any of these "plugins" for it.


    Factor, if you cant locate the plugins, look harder, and call it extension instead of plugin wink.gif
    hint: In firefox, type "firefox extensions" in the address bar. It will do a "Im feeling lucky" search on google for it. Yup...it the first result in a google search. That was hard, aint it?


    edit: yea, most of the skins for Firefox are really fugly. However, there are a few gems amongst the sea of ****.
  • NecroNecro &lt;insert non-birthday-related title here&gt; Members Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Posts: 3,051 Fully active user
    but you need ie for windowupdates..
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
    QUOTE (CForrester @ May 24 2004, 04:06 AM)
    I just use MyIE2. It's got most of the features of Mozilla and Opera, but it's built on the IE rendering engine. (Someone told me that you can even have it use the Mozilla rendering engine, but I haven't tested that.

    Why on earth would you want to use the IE rendering engine? It's incompetently written. Microsoft blatantly ignores standards left and right.
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Posts: 5,583 Advanced user
    QUOTE ([WHO]Them @ May 23 2004, 10:57 PM)
    *waves his hand in front of DOOManiac*

    This isn't the browser you're looking for.


    *waves his hand in front of DOOManiac again*

    IE6 has a great IE6 skin.

    ROFL


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  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Posts: 3,637 Advanced user
    QUOTE (moultano @ May 24 2004, 12:46 PM)
    QUOTE (CForrester @ May 24 2004, 04:06 AM)
    I just use MyIE2. It's got most of the features of Mozilla and Opera, but it's built on the IE rendering engine. (Someone told me that you can even have it use the Mozilla rendering engine, but I haven't tested that.

    Why on earth would you want to use the IE rendering engine? It's incompetently written. Microsoft blatantly ignores standards left and right.

    Because it gets the job done and it gets the job done well for me. Despite Microsoft ignoring standards left and right, pages still display perfectly fine. Things work, and that is the reason I'm sticking with the IE rendering engine.

    If things work fine with the IE rendering engine, there's no reason to change.
  • Hand_Me_The_Gun_And_Ask_Me_AgainHand_Me_The_Gun_And_Ask_Me_Again Members Join Date: 2002-02-07 Member: 178Posts: 267
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    QUOTE (moultano @ May 24 2004, 05:46 PM)
    Why on earth would you want to use the IE rendering engine? It's incompetently written. Microsoft blatantly ignores standards left and right.

    They don't so much ignore standards as interpret them differently (ie wrongly).

    So, getting Microsoft to follow the standards would, in their eyes, be 'breaking' Internet Explorer, at least when compared with previous versions of IE.

    I've noticed that a very risky thing in computing is to have a single implementation of something which is then regarded as the 'standard'. A lot of the Win32 API, for instance, has various non-documented quirks and bugs in, which many programs rely on. With HTML renderers, if you code to the standards and have browser-specific workarounds for browser-specific bugs, then you have a good chance of supporting everything - but if you code for one particular browser (usually IE), all the other browsers have to emulate that browser's bugs and misfeatures.


    Anyway, Firefox is nice. It's my browser of choice on Windows - after Konqueror on Linux and Safari on the Mac. It's not perfect, but it's still only a 0.8 release. Anyone remember Internet Explorer 1.0? I do.

    It was rubbish wink.gif
  • Crono5Crono5 Members Join Date: 2003-07-22 Member: 18357Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2004
    QUOTE (Fr05t @ May 24 2004, 02:02 AM)
    The only reason you should use a different browser type is if you browse those infested porn sites with all the adware and viruses they have stuck on them.

    Enter the reason why I made the switch...
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    QUOTE (Umbraed Monkey @ May 24 2004, 10:12 AM)
    QUOTE (factor)
    I used firefox for about a week.. before I went back to MSN Explorer. I couldn't locate any of these "plugins" for it.


    Factor, if you cant locate the plugins, look harder, and call it extension instead of plugin wink.gif
    hint: In firefox, type "firefox extensions" in the address bar. It will do a "Im feeling lucky" search on google for it. Yup...it the first result in a google search. That was hard, aint it?

    Bah, thats the hard way: Tools->Options->Extentions->Get New Extentions
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  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Members Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Posts: 3,104 Advanced user
    QUOTE (Leaderz0rz @ May 24 2004, 08:41 AM)
    uh your full of crap, IE is full of security flaws no matter what site your visiting, as firefox being for linux users, I;ve used linux once in my life, so thats not true either, Firefox does have its annoy things, BUT the good things easly out weigh the bad things, and IE is just horrible, I used to use IE all the time, untill it got hijacked every other day, and yes i run spybot,adaware,spysweeper etc daily, and no i don't goto adware infested porn sites.

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  • Crono5Crono5 Members Join Date: 2003-07-22 Member: 18357Posts: 1,855
    I installed stock Firefox, and it's working fine for me.

    At least, I think I installed stock Firefox...

    Dun dun dun...
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  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710Posts: 6,952 mod
    QUOTE (CForrester @ May 24 2004, 12:53 PM)
    QUOTE (moultano @ May 24 2004, 12:46 PM)
    QUOTE (CForrester @ May 24 2004, 04:06 AM)
    I just use MyIE2. It's got most of the features of Mozilla and Opera, but it's built on the IE rendering engine. (Someone told me that you can even have it use the Mozilla rendering engine, but I haven't tested that.

    Why on earth would you want to use the IE rendering engine? It's incompetently written. Microsoft blatantly ignores standards left and right.

    Because it gets the job done and it gets the job done well for me. Despite Microsoft ignoring standards left and right, pages still display perfectly fine. Things work, and that is the reason I'm sticking with the IE rendering engine.

    If things work fine with the IE rendering engine, there's no reason to change.

    <psst> That's because of its prevalence, morons code for it, and vacuum-skulled marketing managers force intelligent people to code for it if they want to keep their jobs. IE would be *incredibly* useless if people coded to the standards. It's that mode of thinking (why change if it works) that put George Dubya Bush in the white house, and why a marketing monopoly is allowed to IGNORE federal standards.
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  • Billy_SilverfishBilly_Silverfish Members Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15688Posts: 228
    QUOTE (Talesin @ May 24 2004, 10:29 PM)
    <psst> That's because of its prevalence, morons code for it, and vacuum-skulled marketing managers force intelligent people to code for it if they want to keep their jobs. IE would be *incredibly* useless if people coded to the standards. It's that mode of thinking (why change if it works) that put George Dubya Bush in the white house, and why a marketing monopoly is allowed to IGNORE federal standards.

    Much as I adore the standards and make damn sure every site I make has good solid code, the fact that the vast majority of home users dont' care about standards and just want to hop on the net using the first available browser suggests to me that even if IE is bad, it should still be accepted as the most-used browser and worked with.

    Also, IE (actually IE2 for the tabbed browsing) is my browser of choice for just about everything. If I need something it can't do then I make a switch for a couple of specific sites, but I always go back to IE.
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  • Fro5tyFro5ty Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-09-26 Member: 21238Posts: 486
    QUOTE (Leaderz0rz @ May 24 2004, 01:41 AM)
    uh your full of crap, IE is full of security flaws no matter what site your visiting, as firefox being for linux users, I;ve used linux once in my life, so thats not true either, Firefox does have its annoy things, BUT the good things easly out weigh the bad things, and IE is just horrible, I used to use IE all the time, untill it got hijacked every other day, and yes i run spybot,adaware,spysweeper etc daily, and no i don't goto adware infested porn sites.

    Wow, I post my opinoin of what I see of it and I get flamed for it. Nice, oh, and the no capitilization thing, that's a nice touch. tounge.gif

    Here's the reason you won't see a lot of people use any other internet browser. They are used to IE. Done, over with. That's why you don't see stores selling LINUX boxes. It takes some people years to get over their fear of screwing up Windows. They don't want to put the time or effort into another OS, much less one that requires some tinkering in a CUI rather than a GUI. Same goes for browsers, spouting out how crappy one is over the other and what not won't get the majority of people to change. The only way would be to make an exact copy of the one they're used to but provide reasons they would want it. Such as less pop-ups, less chances of viruses. But remember, it HAS to be a clone, they have to be able to start it up and not notice any difference in them. That is your average user, and if you're getting into the IT and Networking world, you WILL have to adapt to that train of thought or otherwise, you will go insane.

    As for customization, I'm the type of person that just wants it to work, that's it. I don't want to be able to make it look like this or something, if it works good for me with little problems, then I'm happy. That's why I use IE, because it does that. It has bugs, LIKE EVERY OTHER PIECE OF SOFTWARE OUT THERE (there are software companies that make products as buggy and flawed as MS, but you only hear the MS bitching because they're big,) and you will have to run Virus Scanners and adware scanners, but you should be doing that anyways to make sure you're still safe, regardless of what OS or even browser you're using. If someone wants onto your computer, they will get on it. But if you make it almost not worth the effort, then they will probably ignore yours and move onto someone elses.
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  • AfrAfr Members, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16240Posts: 633
    edited May 2004
    I use Avant Browser.. i dont know why.. im just a nub.

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