<!--QuoteBegin-Moquiao+May 18 2004, 03:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moquiao @ May 18 2004, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i lost my virginity at 13. i wish i hadnt... it was cos of sex education it made me aware and like knowledgeable.. if i didnthave the education i wouldnt have done it.. it isnt always good ya know.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Unless the sex education somehow included the words "go to it and good luck," it's all on you.
Why you'd obsess about something like that is far beyond me, anyway. I mean in your position, I wouldn't think of it as losing virginity, I'd think of it as gaining experience. But I'm weird like that.
Referring to Moquiao's post, I don't really think sex, and subsequently, virginity, is all that important. Sex is simply a symbol of something.
If your wedding ring got stolen, does it mean you can no longer love your wife/husband? No. It is simply a symbol of your relationship, not a dictation or reflection of its status.
Sex doesn't even have to be a symbol. Whatever happened to it just being a good time between two consenting adults? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for virginity, I think the whole symbolism behind it kind of doesn't work, since it's supposed to be the 'first time' for that person, but I doubt anyone hasn't, ah... self-serviced before that, so it's kind of a moot point. ^^;
I learned sex education in 6th grade (11 years old for me, generally 12), and I didn't have sex with people when I was 11...Perhaps they forgot to mention parts about raising a child, possible STDs and emotional attachments at your [Moquiao's (so there's no confusion) school?
Anyone who can't really figure it out on their own really has to be idiotic - I mean, if you're attracted to the opposite gender, then you'd have to assume there's something you have to do or are biologically pushed to do. Just from simple understanding of biological principles: How the hell would they explain every single animal and plant species on the planet? [granted plants and some animals don't really have sex, they just deposit the female and male assigned spores and then they're impregnated - but anything bigger than a rat or flower has to do it in some way]
Oh, wait...maybe it's mitosis - hold on guys, I'm gonna go split in two...
Well, really, if they don't know what sex and meiosis is, should I really expect them to know what mitosis is? It doesn't even have to be sex education, they should have learned it in biology alone, when you get to learn about gametes and gonads.
Maybe their religion bars them from schools, education and thinking? Although, last I heard, the German educational system was pretty solid...
<!--QuoteBegin-Athena+May 19 2004, 08:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Athena @ May 19 2004, 08:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sex doesn't even have to be a symbol. Whatever happened to it just being a good time between two consenting adults? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for virginity, I think the whole symbolism behind it kind of doesn't work, since it's supposed to be the 'first time' for that person, but I doubt anyone hasn't, ah... self-serviced before that, so it's kind of a moot point. ^^; <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well for me, Sex isn't really symbolic of the relationship, in general. However, I was suggesting that this was how some people could see it.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+May 18 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ May 18 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You know, I for one am disappointed the doctor told them what actions needed to be taken for the baby thing to happen. I mean, quite obviously this is nature at work, weeding out the inferior genes from the pool. Those idiots don't deserve to raise idiot children. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, scientifically 'stupid' people tend to have little to no sexual repressions, so I'd argue that label doesn't apply here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Its just an illustration of just how malleable any human mind is, and perfectly capable of <i>knowing</i> one thing and <i>believing</i> another. As people have pointed out, odds are high they somewhere in their lives encountered the information that most beings reproduce via sex, not eye contact. Hell, even the bible is pretty damn explicit on these things.
And their conception of faith being an integral part of their lives by the way it sounds, they'll prefer to believe whatever makes having faith easier - like absolutely no need for sexual reproduction. Its kind of Orwellian, really.
<!--QuoteBegin-Athena+May 18 2004, 04:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Athena @ May 18 2004, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sex doesn't even have to be a symbol. Whatever happened to it just being a good time between two consenting adults? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for virginity, I think the whole symbolism behind it kind of doesn't work, since it's supposed to be the 'first time' for that person, but I doubt anyone hasn't, ah... self-serviced before that, so it's kind of a moot point. ^^;<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, on the subject of self...servicing: what's the point of sex then? They both entertain the same result - one just involves someone else doing half/all the work (soley in a egoistic view). The only difference is an exchange of fluids and the possiblity of conception through intercourse...
Aside from the risk of pregnancies and STDs I don't think we should really care who does it with who (although that would have to be different if you're in a relationship or marriage since then you've kind of claimed eachother as your own). It should kind of balance out.
Considering I'm not female, but from what I've heard: virginity in females can vary and actually can constitute a different feeling and response than masturbation, since masturbation doesn't necessarily have to have penetration.
[well, I think I just took this thread off-course... I feel dirt - or something <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ]
However, it sounds like these people are catholic; I'm not but if my catholic 'lore' serves me right: masturbation and contraceptives are forbidden. However, I guess they were just skimming the bible and read over those parts not giving it a second thought (granted they are obscure, and if they're interpreting the bible in their own way they might just not notice it all together).
What are the chances that two people both don't know what sex is getting married? [I could understand the occasional pair of people having one of them have no idea what it is - maybe home schooled people in a trailer park or something)].
See, if I were the doctor, I'd mess with them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Considering I'm not female, but from what I've heard: virginity in females can vary and actually can constitute a different feeling and response than masturbation, since masturbation doesn't necessarily have to have penetration. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That train of thought is a vast amount of idiocy. Unless you're the saddest person on earth, sex isn't limited to your genitalia - its not about a **** and a **** going for dinner and a movie, it involves 2 whole people. As such, the difference between masturbation and sex is always huge.
I do agree with you though, virginity is an entirely artificial concept. Saying you masturbated so you're not a virgin anymore is like a homosexual saying he stuck a cucumber up his ****, so he's had **** sex before.
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Dodd, masturbation = a waybump Sex = mount everest <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
To try to steer this thread back on topic: there's a difference between ignorance and idiocy. If that's how they were raised, and nobody thought to tell them, then it's not their fault.
And I'm usually pretty sensitive to idiocy... stupid sense not tingling <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+May 18 2004, 08:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ May 18 2004, 08:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To try to steer this thread back on topic: there's a difference between ignorance and idiocy. If that's how they were raised, and nobody thought to tell them, then it's not their fault.
And I'm usually pretty sensitive to idiocy... stupid sense not tingling <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I concurr.
True. I have never seen a dog carrying signs telling you "SEX IS DIRTY" or "YOU'RE ALL DAMNED TO HELL" or such stuff <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Beast+May 18 2004, 09:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beast @ May 18 2004, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You don't see any other animals with this kinda problem..... (comment aimed at core issue of this thread..)
Must be a "Only in Humanity" thing <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Silly humans <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats because most animals operate almost solely on instinct.
<!--QuoteBegin-UnderDOG+May 19 2004, 03:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnderDOG @ May 19 2004, 03:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thats because most animals operate almost solely on instinct. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not <i>quite</i> true. Most animals that have any social structure, especially larger mammals (where large is about medium-breed dog size and up) do have quite a bit more rattling around in their heads. Instinct is a large part for many species, but in others, learned behavior can override that to some degree, and for many domesticated animals (the pet ones, not the food ones) a very large amount of behavior is learned, possibly a majority, though that's where we're trailing off from fact to what I think.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+May 19 2004, 07:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ May 19 2004, 07:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Amazing. A thread on the internet having a sophisticated and mature discussion about sex & the ideologies behind it! Will wondesr never cease...
And yes I realize I just doomed the thread. You're welcome. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Cue the random pron spam and talk of 'WIERDEST PLACES LOOLERSKATE."
I see sex as good and pure in the right circumstances, namely, a commited and loving marriage.
I simply don't see the merits of risking an STD or a kid due to wanting to screw around one evening. Not to mention the emotional damage of a breakup, even if it be a ways down the road. Sure, it has a lot of other benefits as far as building a closer relationship, but I've always seen that more as a shortcut to real intimacy. All the dating relationships I've seen that have lasted the longest, and have had people the most committed to each other without becoming obsessive and clingy, have been abstinate ones. At least, until the dating ended in marriage.
Of course, maybe I'm just being repressed and asking for a slew of problems by not having sex. I could be wrong.
I have never heard of a religion that said sex is bad. In fact it encourages you to **** until your balls fall off. God had PLANED for people to go at it like a couple of teenagers because when he told Eve "You will have pain during childbirth". Does this mean that having kids would have been relatively painless? Sweet, I say. That means we can have kids left and right!
You and me, baby we're nothin but mamals so lets, do it like they do on the discovery channel... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Recoup+May 19 2004, 08:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Recoup @ May 19 2004, 08:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have never heard of a religion that said sex is bad. In fact it encourages you to **** until your balls fall off. God had PLANED for people to go at it like a couple of teenagers because when he told Eve "You will have pain during childbirth". Does this mean that having kids would have been relatively painless? Sweet, I say. That means we can have kids left and right!
You and me, baby we're nothin but mamals so lets, do it like they do on the discovery channel... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Perhaps, but many religions prevent you from doing adultery, which is not exactly the same thing as sex.
But that's unrelated to this issue. It might not be religion at all; in fact, I've heard of a problem where a lady didn't know how to use her hands, because she was always being cared for by her family, from showering to eating.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+May 19 2004, 11:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ May 19 2004, 11:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Of course, maybe I'm just being repressed and asking for a slew of problems by not having sex. I could be wrong. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not at all. Personally, I greatly respect people who make that decision for themselves.
See, the problems arise by not knowing about it. You know the potential consequences and understand what is involved. Even if you chose not to entirely outside of these factors, you still are aware of them. Not understanding the possible consequences is a very dangerous thing.
My fiancee's father (I guess my soon-to-be father-in-law <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) told a story of a doctor in their town who had a girl come in with a missed period. They gave her a pregnancy test, and sure enough, she had a baby in there. She said something along the lines of "but that's not possible - we never fell asleep" As far as she knew, you could have all the sex in the world, but if you didn't fall asleep, nothing happened. She just knew that "sleeping together" could get you pregnant.
Kids are going to screw around (pun intended) no matter what. Simply removing sex education means kids are going to screw around with no idea what sort of ramifications will exist. If people are going to do something anyway, they might as well be as intelligent as possible about it.
Sorry, got off on an anti-anti-sex ed tangent there <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Amazing. A thread on the internet having a sophisticated and mature discussion about sex & the ideologies behind it! Will wondesr never cease...
And yes I realize I just doomed the thread. You're welcome.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
....And get this, it's in the freaking off topic forum. omg omg mods move to discussion kthxbye. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+May 18 2004, 08:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ May 18 2004, 08:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To try to steer this thread back on topic: there's a difference between ignorance and idiocy. If that's how they were raised, and nobody thought to tell them, then it's not their fault.
And I'm usually pretty sensitive to idiocy... stupid sense not tingling <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> this is true, but I have a problem with people who are capable of learning, yet for what ever reason choose not too.
I would have never guessed that this was even possible... I would have assumed that at some level human instinct would be able to piece this one together without any outside information. Just goes to show you I guess, human instinct is pitiful, increadibly easy to suppress, and occationally so weak it isn't knowticable.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not quite true. Most animals that have any social structure, especially larger mammals (where large is about medium-breed dog size and up) do have quite a bit more rattling around in their heads. Instinct is a large part for many species, but in others, learned behavior can override that to some degree, and for many domesticated animals (the pet ones, not the food ones) a very large amount of behavior is learned, possibly a majority, though that's where we're trailing off from fact to what I think.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I live with tonnes of animals, and while I do belive this is true, I doubt very strongly that any animal is able to resist thier instincts let alone ignore them. I doubt that it is possible for an animal not to be able to have an idea of how to have sex, as far as I am concerned this is PURELY a human occurance.
Well, I never said they wouldn't have any idea of how to get it on. That would go against my earlier statement. What I'm saying is that much of their behavior is learned. It's not because they're with us, either. In the wild, just as much would be learned, because the sorts of animals we keep for pets are social anyway, they'd be in packs or herds or whatever. Just how much <i>sexual</i> behavior is learned at that level is something I wouldn't know though.
<!--QuoteBegin-Beast+May 18 2004, 09:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beast @ May 18 2004, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You don't see any other animals with this kinda problem..... (comment aimed at core issue of this thread..)
Must be a "Only in Humanity" thing <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Silly humans <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, that's wrong. It's just not something people think is common place.
I read (hey, it was top story on google News:Science, ok? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) that a scientific study was done on some sheep to probe their sexual habbits.
5% of 300 Rams (that's a guy sheep kiddos,) seemed to prefer ...relating... to their male friends rather than the lady sheep.
Something to do with the size of the pituitary gland (pea sized thing in forebrain) apparently.
/me wanders if this applies to *** in human society. Freaky huh?
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Unless the sex education somehow included the words "go to it and good luck," it's all on you.
Why you'd obsess about something like that is far beyond me, anyway. I mean in your position, I wouldn't think of it as losing virginity, I'd think of it as gaining experience. But I'm weird like that.
If your wedding ring got stolen, does it mean you can no longer love your wife/husband? No. It is simply a symbol of your relationship, not a dictation or reflection of its status.
As for virginity, I think the whole symbolism behind it kind of doesn't work, since it's supposed to be the 'first time' for that person, but I doubt anyone hasn't, ah... self-serviced before that, so it's kind of a moot point. ^^;
Anyone who can't really figure it out on their own really has to be idiotic - I mean, if you're attracted to the opposite gender, then you'd have to assume there's something you have to do or are biologically pushed to do. Just from simple understanding of biological principles: How the hell would they explain every single animal and plant species on the planet? [granted plants and some animals don't really have sex, they just deposit the female and male assigned spores and then they're impregnated - but anything bigger than a rat or flower has to do it in some way]
Oh, wait...maybe it's mitosis - hold on guys, I'm gonna go split in two...
Well, really, if they don't know what sex and meiosis is, should I really expect them to know what mitosis is? It doesn't even have to be sex education, they should have learned it in biology alone, when you get to learn about gametes and gonads.
Maybe their religion bars them from schools, education and thinking? Although, last I heard, the German educational system was pretty solid...
As for virginity, I think the whole symbolism behind it kind of doesn't work, since it's supposed to be the 'first time' for that person, but I doubt anyone hasn't, ah... self-serviced before that, so it's kind of a moot point. ^^; <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well for me, Sex isn't really symbolic of the relationship, in general. However, I was suggesting that this was how some people could see it.
Actually, scientifically 'stupid' people tend to have little to no sexual repressions, so I'd argue that label doesn't apply here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And their conception of faith being an integral part of their lives by the way it sounds, they'll prefer to believe whatever makes having faith easier - like absolutely no need for sexual reproduction. Its kind of Orwellian, really.
As for virginity, I think the whole symbolism behind it kind of doesn't work, since it's supposed to be the 'first time' for that person, but I doubt anyone hasn't, ah... self-serviced before that, so it's kind of a moot point. ^^;<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, on the subject of self...servicing: what's the point of sex then? They both entertain the same result - one just involves someone else doing half/all the work (soley in a egoistic view). The only difference is an exchange of fluids and the possiblity of conception through intercourse...
Aside from the risk of pregnancies and STDs I don't think we should really care who does it with who (although that would have to be different if you're in a relationship or marriage since then you've kind of claimed eachother as your own). It should kind of balance out.
Considering I'm not female, but from what I've heard: virginity in females can vary and actually can constitute a different feeling and response than masturbation, since masturbation doesn't necessarily have to have penetration.
[well, I think I just took this thread off-course... I feel dirt - or something <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ]
However, it sounds like these people are catholic; I'm not but if my catholic 'lore' serves me right: masturbation and contraceptives are forbidden. However, I guess they were just skimming the bible and read over those parts not giving it a second thought (granted they are obscure, and if they're interpreting the bible in their own way they might just not notice it all together).
What are the chances that two people both don't know what sex is getting married?
[I could understand the occasional pair of people having one of them have no idea what it is - maybe home schooled people in a trailer park or something)].
See, if I were the doctor, I'd mess with them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
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That train of thought is a vast amount of idiocy. Unless you're the saddest person on earth, sex isn't limited to your genitalia - its not about a **** and a **** going for dinner and a movie, it involves 2 whole people. As such, the difference between masturbation and sex is always huge.
I do agree with you though, virginity is an entirely artificial concept. Saying you masturbated so you're not a virgin anymore is like a homosexual saying he stuck a cucumber up his ****, so he's had **** sex before.
Sex = mount everest <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And I'm usually pretty sensitive to idiocy... stupid sense not tingling <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And I'm usually pretty sensitive to idiocy... stupid sense not tingling <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I concurr.
~ DarkATi
Must be a "Only in Humanity" thing <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Silly humans <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
*pokes church*
That's why I always giggle a little bit when I hear some silly person say that animals aren't capable of giving informed consent...
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Thats because most animals operate almost solely on instinct.
Not <i>quite</i> true. Most animals that have any social structure, especially larger mammals (where large is about medium-breed dog size and up) do have quite a bit more rattling around in their heads. Instinct is a large part for many species, but in others, learned behavior can override that to some degree, and for many domesticated animals (the pet ones, not the food ones) a very large amount of behavior is learned, possibly a majority, though that's where we're trailing off from fact to what I think.
And yes I realize I just doomed the thread. You're welcome.
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Cue the random pron spam and talk of 'WIERDEST PLACES LOOLERSKATE."
I see sex as good and pure in the right circumstances, namely, a commited and loving marriage.
I simply don't see the merits of risking an STD or a kid due to wanting to screw around one evening. Not to mention the emotional damage of a breakup, even if it be a ways down the road. Sure, it has a lot of other benefits as far as building a closer relationship, but I've always seen that more as a shortcut to real intimacy. All the dating relationships I've seen that have lasted the longest, and have had people the most committed to each other without becoming obsessive and clingy, have been abstinate ones. At least, until the dating ended in marriage.
Of course, maybe I'm just being repressed and asking for a slew of problems by not having sex. I could be wrong.
You and me, baby we're nothin but mamals so lets, do it like they do on the discovery channel... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You and me, baby we're nothin but mamals so lets, do it like they do on the discovery channel... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps, but many religions prevent you from doing adultery, which is not exactly the same thing as sex.
But that's unrelated to this issue. It might not be religion at all; in fact, I've heard of a problem where a lady didn't know how to use her hands, because she was always being cared for by her family, from showering to eating.
Not at all. Personally, I greatly respect people who make that decision for themselves.
See, the problems arise by not knowing about it. You know the potential consequences and understand what is involved. Even if you chose not to entirely outside of these factors, you still are aware of them. Not understanding the possible consequences is a very dangerous thing.
My fiancee's father (I guess my soon-to-be father-in-law <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) told a story of a doctor in their town who had a girl come in with a missed period. They gave her a pregnancy test, and sure enough, she had a baby in there. She said something along the lines of "but that's not possible - we never fell asleep" As far as she knew, you could have all the sex in the world, but if you didn't fall asleep, nothing happened. She just knew that "sleeping together" could get you pregnant.
Kids are going to screw around (pun intended) no matter what. Simply removing sex education means kids are going to screw around with no idea what sort of ramifications will exist. If people are going to do something anyway, they might as well be as intelligent as possible about it.
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....And get this, it's in the freaking off topic forum. omg omg mods move to discussion kthxbye. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Gee, wow.
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this is true, but I have a problem with people who are capable of learning, yet for what ever reason choose not too.
I would have never guessed that this was even possible... I would have assumed that at some level human instinct would be able to piece this one together without any outside information. Just goes to show you I guess, human instinct is pitiful, increadibly easy to suppress, and occationally so weak it isn't knowticable.
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I live with tonnes of animals, and while I do belive this is true, I doubt very strongly that any animal is able to resist thier instincts let alone ignore them. I doubt that it is possible for an animal not to be able to have an idea of how to have sex, as far as I am concerned this is PURELY a human occurance.
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Actually, that's wrong. It's just not something people think is common place.
I read (hey, it was top story on google News:Science, ok? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) that a scientific study was done on some sheep to probe their sexual habbits.
5% of 300 Rams (that's a guy sheep kiddos,) seemed to prefer ...relating... to their male friends rather than the lady sheep.
Something to do with the size of the pituitary gland (pea sized thing in forebrain) apparently.
/me wanders if this applies to *** in human society. Freaky huh?
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