just save ur fookin money and save up for a new computer (i suggest an upgraded dell there cheap and preety good)and make sure it can be upgraded taht is ur only solution unless u can get over it
o and btw a lot of people have this problem so dont think u have been singeled out or something
Like other people said, NS is more demanding now and as a result it's becoming more laggy. Until you get some new stuff, your machine will have a huge bottleneck which will effect performance.
how the hell can your pc not have a pci slot? i have motherboards WAY older than your computer (i.e. more than 6 years), and they have at least 4 PCI slots and a few ISA slots.
PCI slots are the short white ones, and ISA are the long black ones. PCI graphics cards are available and would wipe the floor with ur intel card. I refuse to believe you have none of these slots until you show me a picutre of the motherboard.
On another note, WINDOWS ME IS BEST FOR NO ONE. I highly suggest you go back to 98 SE or XP Pro (i used to run XP pro on an AMD k6/2 500 w/128mb ram and Geforce 2mx with no probs).
The fact that ME cannot free up system memory due to some collosal **** up on Micorsoft's behalf, your probably not gettting anything like the best performance from your PC. You would need to reboot all the time for the memory to free up. It wouldn't suprise me if M$ tried to cover up the fact that they released ME at some point.
Finally, trying to help - did the problem start when you started using steam by chance? Steam seems to make the HL engine require about 10x more resources than it should need. Like Ricky said, these mods are running on a 5/6 year old engine, are getting much more demanding where the engine is not capable - clearly noticable in NS.
you do realise that NS is the most graphically advanced game in hl? by any chance are you using a new mouse, or running a cd while playing? I hope youre playing in opengl..
<!--QuoteBegin-jammno+May 5 2004, 07:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jammno @ May 5 2004, 07:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It didn't start when I first started using Steam, it started like three months after. Just out of nowhere. -_-
I don't have a slot, it's basically a "Trick the consumer who's never bought a PC before" sucker purchase. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 99% of graphics cards use an AGP port, (Advanced Graphics Port port <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) so you probably are missing one of *those*.
You can get some low-end cards for PCI, however a motherboasrd upgrade would be *far* more beniifical.
PCI graphics cards cost more for less. :S
==
As for Windows ME... omg. I dont believe you when you say moving to 98 made no difference. In fact, I find it hard to beleive that you have a copy of both win 98 and xp and yet use ME. Unless you have some serious, well, ****, on your pc winxp performs INFINATELY better than ME, and 98 is also more stable.
Acutally, if you are using an older card, OpenGL may not be the best option. Fiddle with Direct3D then "software" (ugh) to see if it makes any difference.
HTH
== EDIT: 2) make more space available for windows page files What is this? And how do I do it?
*windows paging file The windows paging file is a file on the hard disk that acts in the same way as the memory modules on the motherboard, except that it is on your big slow hard disk. When RAM is used up, (Ram is the memory, it becomes used up when programs are running, or have been closed and have not released their allocation of memory to windows,) windows moves to the paging file.
By default the paging file is a 200meg collapseable file that resides on your primary hard disk; typically C:\. Increasing your page file size can be helpful, but generally it wont make a big performance increase. This is because if you have 300 meg of half life map and server data (amoungst other windows rubbish,) all dancing in your page file your hard disk will just not cope. Memory modules send and recieve data at the speed of light Hard disks certainly do not come close. Yes, believe it or not SATA people, this applies to you too.
A better option would be a memory upgrade, however this is not an option for you. (Yet another reason to buy a decent pc mate.)
So... > Split the page file over more than one PHYSICAL drive. (NOT partitions) > Move the page file to a partition with space > Move the partiton to a drive that is significantly faster. (ie SATA or SCSI)
We can presume you do not have SATA or SCSI; Sata is new and SCSI is fancy and I think only a few scattered enthusiasts still use it.
To fiddle with paging file: WinDOHws ME: (ME standing for Massive Errors) > Start >Settings >Control Pannel > System > *me strains memory* > Advanced Now I cant remember off hand, so I will reboot to win98 to check. Your looking for 2 buttons on the bottom section of a diaglue. They are more elongated than typical buttons. The one on the right is the memory settings. I am afraid I cant remember labels. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It's quite easy to set from there. Be careful though, you can mess up your pc quite easily by screwing the page file.
Incedentally, WinXP manages the pagefile (pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys) so well on NTFS that even reserved memory areas are released when programs are closed. Yet another reason to upgrade. )
<i>you do realise that NS is the most graphically advanced game in hl? by any chance are you using a new mouse, or running a cd while playing? I hope youre playing in opengl..</i> I did get a new mouse, but I can't remember when exactly I got it. It's a Microsoft Blue intellipoint optical mouse. I don't think it's causing the lag though -_-. I have a CD in my drive, but it isn't running. I'm using opengl.
<i>You can get some low-end cards for PCI, however a motherboasrd upgrade would be *far* more beniifical. </i> Money isn't an option, I don't even live in a house.....
<i>Acutally, if you are using an older card, OpenGL may not be the best option. Fiddle with Direct3D then "software" (ugh) to see if it makes any difference. </i> I've noticed Warcraft III runs slower in OpenGL mode myself. When I used D3D some of the pixels were see-through, (Not always, just sometimes.) and then shortly after it would crash and force me to run in software mode. But when it DID work in D3D mode, lights didn't lag as bad (5-10 FPS difference, meaning that it was playable from that point.) But in no doubt it still lagged more than it did before. Also when I tried to run NS in Software mode, I joined a server, only to be shrouded in darkness with a nice text message saying "Natural Selection does not run in software mode." So that's out of the question.
I didn't understand that much about the paging file, but since it can harm the PC, I'd better not mess with it. I remember altering registry files and other stuff thats "Dangerous" to alter on a _school_ computer, and one day it was just so messed up it was unuseable. Needless to say the school had the computer thrown away.
ok try this, uninstall the mouse and use the old mouse and see if you get the same probs. Or no mouse at all in lan mode just to see. And yes, a mouse can cause lag. There have been issues with seriel mice and NS for example.
lol thats pretty sad they threw it away. They never heard of a format?
play with the vid card settings more. You said you had it set to best performance. Alot of times you can tweak it more than the presets.
My old mouse was broken, thats why I had to buy a new one. The clickers no longer worked <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I've tried using different mice, it's not causing FPS to change any.
AGP Texture accleration was enabled and yes I've had my comp cleaned of all dust/etc.
Edit: Anyone know of the really old game TRIBES? Well I loaded it up recently, and when I fire some of the "flashier" guns, I experience lag. This is real SAD for a game with inredibly low specs, so I know there must be some sort of problem/virus/error going on. It never lagged before <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-jammno+May 7 2004, 07:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jammno @ May 7 2004, 07:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Edit: Anyone know of the really old game TRIBES? Well I loaded it up recently, and when I fire some of the "flashier" guns, I experience lag. This is real SAD for a game with inredibly low specs, so I know there must be some sort of problem/virus/error going on. It never lagged before <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> PCs get old... could it be that?
Find and install: Adaware - lavasoft.de Virus scanner Spyware blaster
Run msconfig and look for erroneous entries in "startup". If you have a virus, it will be there. I have never met a post 1995 virus that did not use the registry to startup.
Done all that. Cleaned up some spyware. I still have some spyware left though none of those detected. Though I had spyware beforehand. At least ad aware caught some stuff Spybot, Search and Destroy didn't find.
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o and btw a lot of people have this problem so dont think u have been singeled out or something
Stop telling me to buy a card, cause my PC doesn't have a slot for a card. Okay?
PCI slots are the short white ones, and ISA are the long black ones. PCI graphics cards are available and would wipe the floor with ur intel card. I refuse to believe you have none of these slots until you show me a picutre of the motherboard.
On another note, WINDOWS ME IS BEST FOR NO ONE. I highly suggest you go back to 98 SE or XP Pro (i used to run XP pro on an AMD k6/2 500 w/128mb ram and Geforce 2mx with no probs).
The fact that ME cannot free up system memory due to some collosal **** up on Micorsoft's behalf, your probably not gettting anything like the best performance from your PC. You would need to reboot all the time for the memory to free up. It wouldn't suprise me if M$ tried to cover up the fact that they released ME at some point.
Finally, trying to help - did the problem start when you started using steam by chance? Steam seems to make the HL engine require about 10x more resources than it should need. Like Ricky said, these mods are running on a 5/6 year old engine, are getting much more demanding where the engine is not capable - clearly noticable in NS.
I don't have a slot, it's basically a "Trick the consumer who's never bought a PC before" sucker purchase.
I don't have a slot, it's basically a "Trick the consumer who's never bought a PC before" sucker purchase. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
99% of graphics cards use an AGP port, (Advanced Graphics Port port <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) so you probably are missing one of *those*.
You can get some low-end cards for PCI, however a motherboasrd upgrade would be *far* more beniifical.
PCI graphics cards cost more for less. :S
==
As for Windows ME... omg. I dont believe you when you say moving to 98 made no difference. In fact, I find it hard to beleive that you have a copy of both win 98 and xp and yet use ME. Unless you have some serious, well, ****, on your pc winxp performs INFINATELY better than ME, and 98 is also more stable.
Acutally, if you are using an older card, OpenGL may not be the best option. Fiddle with Direct3D then "software" (ugh) to see if it makes any difference.
HTH
==
EDIT:
2) make more space available for windows page files
What is this? And how do I do it?
*windows paging file
The windows paging file is a file on the hard disk that acts in the same way as the memory modules on the motherboard, except that it is on your big slow hard disk. When RAM is used up, (Ram is the memory, it becomes used up when programs are running, or have been closed and have not released their allocation of memory to windows,) windows moves to the paging file.
By default the paging file is a 200meg collapseable file that resides on your primary hard disk; typically C:\.
Increasing your page file size can be helpful, but generally it wont make a big performance increase. This is because if you have 300 meg of half life map and server data (amoungst other windows rubbish,) all dancing in your page file your hard disk will just not cope.
Memory modules send and recieve data at the speed of light
Hard disks certainly do not come close. Yes, believe it or not SATA people, this applies to you too.
A better option would be a memory upgrade, however this is not an option for you. (Yet another reason to buy a decent pc mate.)
So...
> Split the page file over more than one PHYSICAL drive. (NOT partitions)
> Move the page file to a partition with space
> Move the partiton to a drive that is significantly faster. (ie SATA or SCSI)
We can presume you do not have SATA or SCSI; Sata is new and SCSI is fancy and I think only a few scattered enthusiasts still use it.
To fiddle with paging file:
WinDOHws ME: (ME standing for Massive Errors)
> Start
>Settings
>Control Pannel
> System
> *me strains memory*
> Advanced
Now I cant remember off hand, so I will reboot to win98 to check. Your looking for 2 buttons on the bottom section of a diaglue. They are more elongated than typical buttons. The one on the right is the memory settings. I am afraid I cant remember labels. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It's quite easy to set from there. Be careful though, you can mess up your pc quite easily by screwing the page file.
Incedentally, WinXP manages the pagefile (pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys) so well on NTFS that even reserved memory areas are released when programs are closed. Yet another reason to upgrade. )
HTH. BBS too confirm that thing in conrol pannel.
I did get a new mouse, but I can't remember when exactly I got it. It's a Microsoft Blue intellipoint optical mouse. I don't think it's causing the lag though -_-. I have a CD in my drive, but it isn't running. I'm using opengl.
<i>You can get some low-end cards for PCI, however a motherboasrd upgrade would be *far* more beniifical.
</i>
Money isn't an option, I don't even live in a house.....
<i>Acutally, if you are using an older card, OpenGL may not be the best option. Fiddle with Direct3D then "software" (ugh) to see if it makes any difference.
</i>
I've noticed Warcraft III runs slower in OpenGL mode myself. When I used D3D some of the pixels were see-through, (Not always, just sometimes.) and then shortly after it would crash and force me to run in software mode. But when it DID work in D3D mode, lights didn't lag as bad (5-10 FPS difference, meaning that it was playable from that point.) But in no doubt it still lagged more than it did before. Also when I tried to run NS in Software mode, I joined a server, only to be shrouded in darkness with a nice text message saying "Natural Selection does not run in software mode." So that's out of the question.
I didn't understand that much about the paging file, but since it can harm the PC, I'd better not mess with it. I remember altering registry files and other stuff thats "Dangerous" to alter on a _school_ computer, and one day it was just so messed up it was unuseable. Needless to say the school had the computer thrown away.
lol thats pretty sad they threw it away. They never heard of a format?
play with the vid card settings more. You said you had it set to best performance. Alot of times you can tweak it more than the presets.
I've tried using different mice, it's not causing FPS to change any.
Edit: Anyone know of the really old game TRIBES? Well I loaded it up recently, and when I fire some of the "flashier" guns, I experience lag. This is real SAD for a game with inredibly low specs, so I know there must be some sort of problem/virus/error going on. It never lagged before <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Already tried that, didn't work.
Edit: Anyone know of the really old game TRIBES? Well I loaded it up recently, and when I fire some of the "flashier" guns, I experience lag. This is real SAD for a game with inredibly low specs, so I know there must be some sort of problem/virus/error going on. It never lagged before <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
PCs get old... could it be that?
Find and install:
Adaware - lavasoft.de
Virus scanner
Spyware blaster
Run msconfig and look for erroneous entries in "startup". If you have a virus, it will be there. I have never met a post 1995 virus that did not use the registry to startup.
Not a total loss, but I still lag :/