Disaster In North Korea

MedHead · April 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">Train wreck death toll in thousands</div> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><i><b>Yahoo!.com - SEOUL, South Korea</b> - Two fuel trains collided and exploded in a North Korean train station near the Chinese border Thursday, according to South Korean media, which reported large numbers of casualties. One television station said 3,000 people were believed killed or injured.

The North Korean leader, Kim Jong Il, reportedly had passed through the station as he returned from China nine hours earlier. It was not clear what caused the crash, or if it was related to Kim's journey. The trains were carrying oil and liquefied petroleum gas, media reported. </i></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

<a href='http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20040422/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_train_explosions_12&printer=1' target='_blank'>http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=...ns_12&printer=1</a>

<a href='http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=North+Korea+Train+Crash' target='_blank'>http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=No...rea+Train+Crash</a>

Wolf_Kahler · April 2004

Kind of puts that little World Trade Center snafu into perspective.

Someday, they'll tell a story...

And then some people will say that the Center didn't even exist and whoever wrote the history books made it up, like a boogeyman story.

And I'll laugh and say, yeah, you're right.

They didn't exist.

KungFuSquirrel · April 2004

Of course, with North Korea's fun policies with outside press, we only have the number of 3000 dead <i>or</i> injured. No telling what that number will turn out to be.

Kinda scary that we probably still know more about it than most North Koreans; at least that's the impression I get from the articles I've seen on it.

Wolf_Kahler · April 2004

I don't see a difference with being told nothing and being told a grossly exaggerated number with the intention of inciting support for a baseless war.

Okay, so, there is a difference. One country went to war and the other's going to shrug and go on with their lives.

But then, Korea's already at a stand-still-grade war, so maybe it comes to the same thing in the end.

What with the States having a similar border with Canada, now.

"No, Mister shotgun-toting border guard, I'm not carrying drugs and I don't have any kind of arrest record whatsoever."

"Well, you're a young Canadian and we don't like your drug laws, so we're going to kick you out anyway and if you try to come back in the next five years, you're going to jail."

"Thank you, Mister shotgun-toting border guard. I really appreciate your attitude."

SoulSkorpion · April 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (=DD=Wolf Kahler @ Apr 23 2004, 09:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Kind of puts that little World Trade Center snafu into perspective.

Someday, they'll tell a story...

And then some people will say that the Center didn't even exist and whoever wrote the history books made it up, like a boogeyman story.

And I'll laugh and say, yeah, you're right.

They didn't exist.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
...what the <i>hell</i> are you on about? What on earth has that got to do with a train disaster in Korea?

Zig · April 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>...what the hell are you on about? What on earth has that got to do with a train disaster in Korea?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

i've got the same question about THIS one:

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>What with the States having a similar border with Canada, now.

"No, Mister shotgun-toting border guard, I'm not carrying drugs and I don't have any kind of arrest record whatsoever."

"Well, you're a young Canadian and we don't like your drug laws, so we're going to kick you out anyway and if you try to come back in the next five years, you're going to jail."

"Thank you, Mister shotgun-toting border guard. I really appreciate your attitude."</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

how is that relevant to the train wreck?

Cold_NiTe · April 2004

That's strange, I read it and I understood it. Maybe you missed something.

pardzh · April 2004

Yeesh, that's a lot of people dead. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />

Zig · April 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Apr 22 2004, 06:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> That's strange, I read it and I understood it. Maybe you missed something.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
the US is at a secret stand still war with canada o_o??

please explain =\

Mullet · April 2004

What does a terrorist attack on two buildings have to do with a trainwreck? Anyways...very sad day for Korea. I thought this was going to be an article about a terrorist bombing because of the recent events.... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Zig · April 2004

oh.. was cold-nite talking to soulskorp?

AllUrHiveRblong2us · April 2004

Yeah, with recent news, a disaster that kills a few thousand people and was simply an accident is almost a reassurance. Yes, human stupidity and clumsiness and just plain old bad luck will still beat human malice to the punch when it comes to killing people.

MedHead · April 2004

It's pretty much determined that this was an accident, and not a terrorist attack. Why then are several of you bringing up the World Trade Centers? This disaster was not intended to start a war. It was not an attack on anyone. It was and continues to be a disaster! The family members of those 3,000 people aren't going to "shrug it off"!

Zig · April 2004

i agree with you medhed. this thread was getting weird for a bit.. as if the deaths of 3000+ people occured only to prove someone's point about one thing or another.

this isn't a sign of some kind of illuminati war-inciting conspiracy. (as a side note: why the hell would a train <u><b>accident</b></u> want people to support war in north korea?) well anyway, everyone can go post that crap in a <i>tabloid</i> topic. because this is a <i>news</i> topic.

MedHead · April 2004

Exactly! Because of North Korea's tendancy to be very private, and the way this accident is being kept from the press (including those in North Korea), not many people have heard of this. I wanted more to hear of it, that's all. I certainly didn't want to start some political campaign...

Zig · April 2004

egh..

i just read that it's 3000 <i>casualties</i>..

well we'll hear the death toll soon enough :\

MedHead · April 2004

If we ever know. There's no telling if North Korea will suddenly open up about the event.

And yes, I knew it was only casualties when I made the post.

CplDavis · April 2004

I was reading about this earlier, its a shame they have to be all secretive and cut off international phone lines and stuff so the story doesnt get out, and deny help for it.

Kinda like the Russians wasting time with the trapped seamen on the Kursk Submarine. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />

Wolf_Kahler · April 2004

...Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh. And the point goes *ffft* over everybody's heads.

Except Cold-NiTe, apparently.

My point was that the "final death toll" for WTC was somewhere in the town where the number 3000 resides. Less, if I remember correctly.

The relation between "accident" and "intentional event" blurs considerably when looked at from certain perspectives.

But far be it from me to drop an education about the FBI and CIA.

Yeah, sure, the friends and families of the three-thousand will mourn in their own way [yes, I'm counting the injured, since you DO suffer from injuried too, right?], but they're not going to be driven to war over it. That was my point. They're not going to whip out guns and wave national flags while pointing fingers at whoever for whatever whenever.

Have you seen what the border between North and South Korea looks like?

The US is finding any excuse it can to point its figurative and literal guns at Canada. The latest I'm aware of is that Canada's pot laws aren't strong enough [which I agree with], so young Canadians of any demeanor are now more closely scrutinized. Five-year denials of entry [under penalty of prison] are given because you happen to be driving something OTHER than a snot-box rust machine [because you're so <i>obviously</i> a smuggler-slash-dealer].

Oh, sure, you can argue simantics and say that there are no American incursions into Canadian villages to rape a plunder, but perhaps you're forgetting the soft-wood lumber stories.

But... But... But how does that compare, you ask?

Would you like me to arrange a guided tour of the ghost towns that now dot BC? No? Too bad. Your loss. It's a beautiful province. I knew it before its forests were razed.

Maybe there aren't literal tanks lining the border, but there's an equal amount of propaganda and fighting in terms of words, economical back-biting, political pandering and idiocy.

Yes, the wreck's a tragedy. Yes, WTC was a tragedy too.

My point was in the difference between how both was and will be treated. One with the over-absorption of information and the other with a denial of information. One leads to a so-called "war," the other leads to <i>relative</i> "peace" [yeah, yeah, not counting this, that and the other thing you want to bring up] in the sense that it won't be used as a propaganda tool [or will it?]. They'll tighten safety regulations, memorials will be erected, a great hubbub will be made over the innocent lives lost [by the few who know about it?], but the country will <i>go on</i>.

Not that I expect the point's still going to be understood any better, but whatever. One man's tragedy is another man's joke.

Not that I think it's a joke, but you apparently came here hoping for sympathy. Looking at the world-wide human condition, sympathy isn't something I have in great quantities for a few thousand people. A few million? Whew! A teeny-tiny bit more room to breathe! A few billion? Now you're talking. Bring on the winter. We'll go skiing in the perpetual dark while we hunt for the elussive survivors of the wild. Maybe we'll learn something as a species. Maybe we'll realize there's more to this world than us. Maybe we'll stop making any kind of deal about a few thousand people and start making one about the ground under my feet and the ground under your feet and the ground under everybody's feet, since it's the same damned ground.

But that wasn't what you wanted to hear. Unfortunately, this <i>is</i> an open forum and you risk hearing things you might not have wanted to hear. What you think of what I just said, I think of what the majority of the human race says. Small world, ain't it?

I'll count on the fingers of one hand the number of people who'll have any idea what my full point was, since there's a life-long essay behind it the majority of people never get the chance to write. But that's not my fault.

DarkDude · April 2004

Well there are some sattelite images of the blast site going around, pretty good pictures, and really, they don't show much damage. There isn't a huge crater and the only damage I can see is a large burn mark on and around where the train tracks were. I don't think this could've caused 3000 people to die as the houses near the tracks look not a bit damaged, strange.

<a href='http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040423/ts_afp/nkorea_train_blast_040423031415&e=1' target='_blank'>Link</a>

eediot · April 2004

probably depends on how many people they can fit on a train

but yeah they probably inflated the number

Wolf_Kahler · April 2004

Original wild-guesstimate for WTC was "over six-thousand."

Inflatable people goooooooooood.

Paranoia2MB · April 2004

Owned

Where both of the train conducters <span style='color:orange'>racist comment removed</span>

Anyways, ya that does suck though, but chet happens in life. Just another tradegy for the books.

SoulSkorpion · April 2004

Wolf, I still have absolutely <i>no</i> idea what you're on about, nor how the WTC attacks have anything to do with this incident other than the number of casualties. And God only knows why you're dragging Canada into all this.

You still haven't explained this bit:
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Someday, they'll tell a story...

And then some people will say that the Center didn't even exist and whoever wrote the history books made it up, like a boogeyman story.

And I'll laugh and say, yeah, you're right.

They didn't exist. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Mullet · April 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Apr 23 2004, 12:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Wolf, I still have absolutely <i>no</i> idea what you're on about, nor how the WTC attacks have anything to do with this incident other than the number of casualties. And God only knows why you're dragging Canada into all this.

You still haven't explained this bit:
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Someday, they'll tell a story...

And then some people will say that the Center didn't even exist and whoever wrote the history books made it up, like a boogeyman story.

And I'll laugh and say, yeah, you're right.

They didn't exist. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Yeah WTH is he babbling about?

pants · April 2004

I find it sickening how lightly he takes <i>thousands</i> of peoples' lives. This is really tragic. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />

Paranoia2MB · April 2004

^^^
Sarcasism...kinda <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />
And imo, the next greatest thing besides life..is death.

You know, there are people who say the holocaust never happend. AND HAVE HUNDREDS AND MAYBE EVEN THOUSANDS OF BOOKS AND DOCUMENTS TO PROVE IT! So I'm not doubting that somebody will pretend the WTC incident never happened and same with this here.

BarbraStreisand · April 2004

I guess,what Wolf wanted to express is that everytime a large number of ppl die in ONE tragic event, the whole world listens and is shocked about it.

Today, much more than 3000 people will die from hunger or disease, spread all over the world. But that is SO hard to count, and you can´t show one nice satellite picture of it...

Transmission · April 2004

Red Cross has confirmed the numbers:

54 Casualities
1200 Injured

gg North Korea government.

pants · April 2004

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />

Damn... that was a little exaggerated...

Just because we don't mourn for the people starved to death every day, doesn't mean we should just ignore incidents like these, too.

Testament · April 2004

DAMMIT! Now our gas prices will go up even higher!

No?

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Disaster In North Korea

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