Movie Release Dates

RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Promoting piracy</div> So I'm looking around the net this morning like I always do, and I see that Hellboy has been released. Great!, I think to myself, hoping over onto the local cinema website to find out when it's playing.

September.

Five MONTHS.

Now I'm not one to pirate stuff all the time. I will watch movies in the cinema (I prefer to watch them there in fact) and I will buy games. But when a movie is released in the US and isn't released here in Australia for another five months, what do you think a lot of people will do? Download the movie from the web and watch it.

What, if any, is the logic behind delaying a movie like this? Every day it's delayed just makes more people pirate it, people who otherwise would flock to the cinema to see it, thus giving the movie studio MONEY, as oppossed to downloading it for FREE. I want to see it in the cinema, and so do all my friends, but odds are now that one of us will download it instead of waiting 5 months.

Movies being delayed like this are not, I might add, uncommon.

So what does everyone think? Does delaying overseas releases of movies promote piracy, and why do movie studios do it?

Comments

  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    Yeah, with the way the world is today its silly that in big countries at least like Australia and the UK and whatnot there are delayed releases of movies.

    Hell even taking the obvious piracy out of the equation and you still have the issue of if the movie is crappy and gets bad reviews, everybody will know its crappy by the time it gets to the other country due to there being 5 months of reviews on the thing...
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    yah, this always did sorta bug me.

    Any one know why they do this?

    (recently some one game me a decent explenation of region encoding, so mabey more?)
  • CreepieCreepie Join Date: 2003-02-19 Member: 13734Members
    I expect it's seasonal.
  • MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
    yup... its a stupid system.. ya see they are all about money.. and thats why the hate pirates cos we take theyre money. but they dont see theyre own errors... if they fixed theyre own issues then they could maybe make some more dollar.. but nooooo they would rather just label us as evil p2p people
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    actually, the reason it is delayed is because they slug that they tape the film to the back of takes 5 months to get to australia (its a specially bred super-speedy slug)
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yup... its a stupid system.. ya see they are all about money.. and thats why the hate pirates cos we take theyre money.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    And there-in lies the basic insanity of holding these movies back: release them here at the same time and most people won't pirate it. They'll do what they actually want to do: go to the cinema. That's why I can't for the life of me figure out why they hold back on release dates: it's a win-win situation to release it here as well!
  • TrojanTrojan Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4611Members
    I think its got something to do with seasons, and profits. I mean, if they release it 5 months later, they get another big spike, and then soon enough (not sure on the time delays in the US for dvd/video releases) the dvd is released in the US, then Aus.

    It would create a much more steady flow. That, and they can gauge more accuratly how well it will run everywhere else, if it didnt go too crash hot in the US, spend less on advertising and stuff in the other coutries to save a buck.
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    if that's true trojan then it's based on a vastly outdated idea of how the market works. Back ye olden days people didn't have the net and such easy access to information so when stuff came out, it was the first you knew of it bar the trailers =3

    Nowadays people KNOW that it's out in america 5 months before it comes over here and it just annoys them.

    Ironically, DVDs originally didn't have regions, nor was the technology going to until the movie industry threw a tantrum about it and the pioneering companies responsible (I remember one of the two was philips) grudgingly introduced it to all future players and DVDs. Hence if you'd bought one of the first DVD players out you can quite happily watch anything you want from anywhere ^^

    I'd like to see world-wide releases become the standard across all genres from game to film; this 'regional release' nonsense has gone on far too long and it's from an era long-gone utilised by an industry that's far too used to getting it's own way like some 4 year old brat. Luckily, from the games side of things there have been attempts at worldwide releases already... quite a few got stumped by the sales idiots of the companies involved but there's still been a few successes =D
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Geminosity+Apr 5 2004, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Apr 5 2004, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ironically, DVDs originally didn't have regions, nor was the technology going to until the movie industry threw a tantrum about it and the pioneering companies responsible (I remember one of the two was philips) grudgingly introduced it to all future players and DVDs. Hence if you'd bought one of the first DVD players out you can quite happily watch anything you want from anywhere ^^ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i'm not sure about the legality of it, but there are ways to get a player to play movies from all regions
  • Har_Har_the_PirateHar_Har_the_Pirate Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19388Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-_Creep_+Apr 5 2004, 12:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (_Creep_ @ Apr 5 2004, 12:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I expect it's seasonal. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    it has to deal with the rainy season like he said
  • DreadDread Join Date: 2002-07-24 Member: 993Members
    I'm rarely actually excited over some movie, so there's no reason to download it just to see it in advance. I just go to theaters when I feel like it and when I hear there's a worthy flick. I don't really care that much if I see AvP now or in May.

    Though I can see why some people would do it. I guess this concerns mostly just movie fanatics(like someone who really liked Matrix or LotR).
  • InfinitumInfinitum Anime Encyclopedia Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1111Members, Constellation
    edited April 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Black Mage+Apr 6 2004, 06:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Black Mage @ Apr 6 2004, 06:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Geminosity+Apr 5 2004, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Apr 5 2004, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ironically, DVDs originally didn't have regions, nor was the technology going to until the movie industry threw a tantrum about it and the pioneering companies responsible (I remember one of the two was philips) grudgingly introduced it to all future players and DVDs.  Hence if you'd bought one of the first DVD players out you can quite happily watch anything you want from anywhere ^^ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i'm not sure about the legality of it, but there are ways to get a player to play movies from all regions <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah just buy a region free DVD player... walk into any retail store and ask for one...

    The region lock is both on the DVD player and the actual DVD.

    For example. A Region 4 DVD can be played on any Region Free DVD Player, but a Region 4 DVD cannot be played on a DVD Player Locked to Region 1.


    Actually I think a vast majority of DVD players(*) on the market today are region free.... which makes the whole region business retarded.


    Who cares...

    *rolls in piles and piles of Region 0, 1, 2 & 4 DVDs*

    *Fixed
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    edited April 2004
    well the reason it's so easy to find DVD players without regions or get past the region lock in general is because the whole regional locking was added as a grudging afterthought =3
    It was only really put in to shut the movie industry up rather than be a air-tight security system ^^

    <b>edit:</b> It'd still be nicer if the movie industry had bothered it's bottom to just release things worldwide though =/
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Infinitum+Apr 5 2004, 08:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infinitum @ Apr 5 2004, 08:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Black Mage+Apr 6 2004, 06:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Black Mage @ Apr 6 2004, 06:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Geminosity+Apr 5 2004, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Apr 5 2004, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ironically, DVDs originally didn't have regions, nor was the technology going to until the movie industry threw a tantrum about it and the pioneering companies responsible (I remember one of the two was philips) grudgingly introduced it to all future players and DVDs.  Hence if you'd bought one of the first DVD players out you can quite happily watch anything you want from anywhere ^^ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i'm not sure about the legality of it, but there are ways to get a player to play movies from all regions <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah just buy a region free DVD player... walk into any retail store and ask for one...

    The region lock is both on the DVD player and the actual DVD.

    For example. A Region 4 DVD can be played on any Region Free DVD Player, but a Region 4 DVD cannot be played on a DVD Player Locked to Region 1.


    Actually I think a vast majority of DVD players(*) on the market today are region free.... which makes the whole region business retarded.


    Who cares...

    *rolls in piles and piles of Region 0, 1, 2 & 4 DVDs*

    *Fixed <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I believe that it's still law, or whatever, to have region encoding locked on DVD players when you buy them. But unlocking them is usually a case of a short code or something. I know for a fact that it was illegal to sell my DVD player if it was deregionalised, but the same store we bought did something and made it region free for us, which wasn't illegal, apparently. It's odd.

    But as to the whole movie delay... I know, it sucks. What i used to do is import DVDs from the US. If i saw a movie i liked, chances are it would see a US DVD release before it even sees a UK cinema release. I got a whole bunch of movies that were pre-release. It's a lot better than pirating the movies, for obvious reasons, and you get to own the movie way before anyone else in your country does. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    they probably use the excuse that they need to translate or something for the delays of european releases too... I think the UK and US should be stuck in the same regional classification... our language spread isn't far off being the same and despite cultural differences I don't see any reason for altering the released material between countries; even changing the title of 'philosphers stone' to 'sorcerer's stone' XD
  • NecroticNecrotic Big Girl&#39;s Blouse Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 53Members, NS1 Playtester
    The none-big-name DVD players are region free, ones like Ronin, Yamashitsu (sp) and other small electronics brands. The major player brands (Sony, Phillips etc) ARE region encoded.

    Moral of the story? Don't buy brand names.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    There are probably many reasons why movie imports are delayed. One could be taxes. Another could be shipment time. There's also the possibility that the rating system in the importing country has to approve the movie and alter it if necessary. There could also be marketing research going on in the exporting coutry to determine whether the movie is worth exporting. Or, it could be a legal issue that the country from which the movie originated must have all profits maximized before the movie can be moved to a different country.
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