don't misunderestimate bush, he's a warmongering draft dodger...ironic isn't it (I know I said misunderestimate, it was a knock since bush said that once)
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No? Good. So let's answer:
I'm pretty convinced he'll get it - by continuusly declaring that "everyone not for us is against us", he put a diplomatic knife at every 'no'-voters throat, which will sooner or later result in a positive resolution with some (possibly France, Germany, Russia and China) staying neutral.
I would've never thought I'd say something like this about a Bush-discussion, but could we stop ranting about him in general and start rambling about the specific topic mentioned in the first post?
<!--QuoteBegin--Asraniel+Oct. 17 2002,08:42--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Asraniel @ Oct. 17 2002,08:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->i hope next time you american people dont vote for him....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Funny you should mention that. The majority of American voters didn't. Thank you electoral college.
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if the majority of American voters dont vote for him then he wouldnt be the president.. right? ok, i know there were some storys that he was cheating.. but who knows?
ou yes.. shure excuse for my english, i know that its horrible, most of the time i have problems with times or i dont find the right words... and i write all the words wrong.. i know, but its getting better and better.
ps: and im not shure about the meaning of "electoral college"...
<!--QuoteBegin--Asraniel+Oct. 17 2002,14<!--emo&:0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Asraniel @ Oct. 17 2002,14<!--emo&<!--emo&:0--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'><!--endemo-->)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->if the majority of American voters dont vote for him then he wouldnt be the president.. right?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If only the world were that simple. You're not in as much control as you may be led to believe.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here's politics in America for you right here.
"I think the puppet on the left shares my beliefs." "I think the puppet on the right is more to my liking." "Hey wait a minute, there's just one guy holding up both puppets!" <b>"Go back to bed America. Your government is in control. Go back to bed America."</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->if the majority of American voters dont vote for him then he wouldnt be the president.. right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wrong. The electoral college is a group of people who choose a president. Their votes count, ours are just to see who the general public wants in office.
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i didnt know that in the usa not the people themself van vote for the president but some representants... hmm.. strange... i was shure that the people himself votes.. but ok, im shure you know it better than me. But its strange, the strongest country on the world has a realy bad democracy.... look at switzerland.. we have the best democracy in the world... (thats true.. we can vote for every little thing(you go vote at least one time in a month), there is no president.. but it would be too long to explain that... and too difficult for me in english)
The way the electoral college works is this, to my understanding anyway:
The people of the country vote: A little while later the electoral college is held where the representatives of the state vote to who will become president, but they should vote according to what the popular vote of the people should be because if they don't then chances are they won't get re-elected, but in reality it is up to them, for example: New York has (just guessing) 5 reprersentitives equalling up to 12 votes in the electoral, the majority of the people voted democrat, so they should vote democrat to appease the people of their states and 'represent' them in votes if they want to keep their jobs that is, really the vote is up to them and popular vote never matters.
My opinion of GB and the iraq thing is such, he won't go for UN approval he is just going to do what he wants, it is fairly abvious that he was pushing for IRAQ way before the WTC tradgedy- but now that the WTC happened bush now has an excuse that the american people can abide by to go get the oil that his daddy failed to get. GB is a joke, and I loved that upsidedown book picture.
There was a great advert on British TV a while ago for a newspaper called the mirrior,
There was a video of Sadddam Hussain and a voiceover saying "He is one of the most dangerous men in the world with access to weapons of mass destruction" then the top half tears away to a video of George Bush giving a speech with a nice little banjo kicking in then the voiceover continues with "but should we be looking at George Bush instead?" The tagling at the end was The Mirror, Look again
Yeah, that sounds about right. So far in history only ever ONCE was the popular vote not the same as them guys. I forget the details- but yeah there u go.
first of all bush has exaggerated so much about the threat of iraq. he makes it seem that iraq is an immediate threat when they haven't done a thing for the past 8 years. All the missiles they shoot at US planes miss.
Second think of the internation response. The US is going to attack iraq as a "pre-emptive" strike. This means they attack first (the US in the past has had the history of only attacking after it was attacked itself).
Well, if the US can attack a country because they "feel threatened" by it, why can't China attack Taiwain? The Arab countries and Israel? India attack Pakistan?
Also, Hussein has said that he will shoot at Israel if the US attacks him. Well, he will. Also, Israel has told the US that it will retaliate if it's hit. It has been ###### at the Arab countries ever since it was founded. If Hussein bombs Israel I think Israel is going to retaliate very violently, possibly with a nuclear weapon (with Sharon you can never know).
We critisize the electoral college now, but when it was established, it was the best we could have done.
When the American Constitution was first drafted, most of the populace was illiterate, and without mass media, it was nearly impossible for presidential candidates to get their name and ideas out on a wide scale, and thus impossible for the American people to make an educated choice.
That solution? The electoral college, a group of men (so many from each state by its popluation) who listened to the issues and made their best choice. Vitual representation, so to speak.
The idea is that if we don't like it, the people can always rise up and take control back. But now that we do have mass media, I wouldn't be against letting the people have full control.
WW3 would be really, really bad. We thought that the A-bomb killed a lot of people in WW2, but it's just a fraction of the power of the weapons that we have today. I would hope that Bush's advisors would find it in their "wisdom" not to use any of these weapons, but there are, unfortunately, certain people in the world who, if given access, would not even hesitate to blow us all to hell.
And you just know that if Bush attacks Iraq, with or without the UN's approval, Saddam and his followers are gonna do everything they can to get back at the U.S. I don't think that Iraq currently has the capabilities to send a missile all the way to the U.S., but help us all if he or any other anti-Western group gets ahold of something big. It wouldn't just be trench fighting and tanks this time, it could be something a lot worse. Like a nuclear war.
Well, if we all get blown up, I hope the few survivors find it in their wisdom to make sure that never happens again. Humans are the strongest, most capable species ever to walk the earth, but that could be our downfall.
That's why we need to establish space colonies <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->. Besides, in a few billion years the Sun is gonna supernova, so we're screwed anyway.
I'll try to leave my political views away from the forums, since if i didnt I would rant and fight for days... however I will help clarify.
The idea of the electoral collage is pretty simple, lets say we have three states: Maine, New Hampsire, and New York. Each gets a certain number of electoral votes per state, and the state goes all one way. Okay for the example say NY gets 5 votes, NH gets 3 and Maine gets 3. NY has 10million ppl, NH has 5million, and Maine 6 million. NY has all 10mil vote for Gore ggiving him 5 votes. 3/5ths of NH vote Bush giving him 3 electoral votes. Now Maine has 2/3rds vote Bush giving him 6 votes. Bush Wins 11 - 10 even though Gore had 14million ppl vote for him and Bush had only 7 million. ***Note All these numbers were made up***
Does that help? Or only confse you more? Also a question to think about: What would be different if Gore were President? (Think Iraq and 9/11)
lol whats funny is they had a couple of recounts on the public vote..... Oh back on topic bush would do what that guy on that movie did if he could (ride the bomb to the guys because it got stuck). He isnt very smart so he wouldnt think of "all" of teh consequences just some of them. And I think the people in higher up places are smarter that to nuke(because it would hit lots of our allies too and maybe even hit us due to chain reactions of other unknown nuclear stuff) but the reason he wants to fight him is because he broke the treaty so now we dont have any clue if hes got a nuke or a chemical bomb or nothing. Would any of you like to wait and see if hes makin a nuke? I sure as hell wouldnt because I dont have a bomb shelter(and hiding under a table doesnt help). If this was before all these deadly weapons we are capable of making Id say just wait until you get help. But we as humans have the technology to destroy this planet so thats what worries me.....(also I think bush would just use little bombs and lots of troops and tanks). Heh that picture of bush is so true...
<!--QuoteBegin--StUpId_Fo0L+Oct. 17 2002,19:27--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (StUpId_Fo0L @ Oct. 17 2002,19:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->lol whats funny is they had a couple of recounts on the public vote..... Oh back on topic bush would do what that guy on that movie did if he could (ride the bomb to the guys because it got stuck). He isnt very smart so he wouldnt think of "all" of teh consequences just some of them. And I think the people in higher up places are smarter that to nuke(because it would hit lots of our allies too and maybe even hit us due to chain reactions of other unknown nuclear stuff) but the reason he wants to fight him is because he broke the treaty so now we dont have any clue if hes got a nuke or a chemical bomb or nothing. Would any of you like to wait and see if hes makin a nuke? I sure as hell wouldnt because I dont have a bomb shelter(and hiding under a table doesnt help). If this was before all these deadly weapons we are capable of making Id say just wait until you get help. But we as humans have the technology to destroy this planet so thats what worries me.....(also I think bush would just use little bombs and lots of troops and tanks). Heh that picture of bush is so true...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> that was a bit hard to read <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> Your not American are ya? <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--> But anyways what you are trying to say it that its better to go in and find if he has a nuke, rather than wait and see if he has one by watching him us it.... Right?
Another question then: What about North Korea, who bush called an 'axis of evil'?(They just told America that they have had a nuke program for some time...)
Its all going to go to hell, like I said considering that Bush had a secret agenda anyway for the oil because the oil companies have their hands up his....Okay I will try to keep this civil...*sigh* He was probably pushing for Iraq anyway it's just that because of the WTC bush now has an excuse to go take out any arabs who might give us a hard time-think, last year at this time with all of our feelings towards the world trade center sadam would have been very dead already because we were looking for anyone to kill. But we have had some time to recover and now that bush is pushing towards killing sadam and getting Iraqs sweet sweet oil we can now think about this and say that is is wrong, and without UN support its only going to blow up in our faces.
No I'm american. But what I'm saying is that he didnt let our inspectors inspect his stuff and one of them escaped and said he was trying to build a nuke. North Korea is in no economical postion to build a nuke. They are falling apart. But in the future they may because we think they arent capable of anything. But just think of sadam, if we just sit around he might all of a sudden have a nuke and threaten to fire on us(the u.s.a) and then we'll have a war worse than the cold war (with russia and people scared of the u.s.a and russia nuking each other) because saddam is crazy(he shoots anyone he doesnt like and doesnt feel bad about it(like hitler who killed lots of jewish people because he didnt like them, hitler was very bad and what if saddam gets as powerful as he did?). But yes it would be bad to just go over there and shoot everyone, But if we dont get assistance soon we should go over there and demand he lets us inspects his stuff that the treaty he signed allowed us to do and that he broke, we should attack him with full force and not even give him a chance to sign a treaty again. Yes wars are bad and that might cause world war3 but sooner or later hes gonna do something real bad to the people he doesnt like and we're all gonna be kickin ourselves because everyone didnt listen to our oil thirsty illiterate president. To say again I am American, I just dont like to write so I dont care how I do it.(and I like parentheses.)
<!--QuoteBegin--StUpId_Fo0L+Oct. 17 2002,20:50--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (StUpId_Fo0L @ Oct. 17 2002,20:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->(and I like parentheses.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats the problem <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> Anyways I get your position, but just so you know Iraq would only have potential to attack someone close to them *cough*Isreal*cough*. They dont have intercontianetal ballistic missile capibilities...
Also when you say 'he' did not let our inspecters inspect, do ya mean bush or suddam?
<!--QuoteBegin--Asraniel+Oct. 17 2002,09:09--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Asraniel @ Oct. 17 2002,09:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->if the majority of American voters dont vote for him then he wouldnt be the president.. right? ok, i know there were some storys that he was cheating.. but who knows?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He wasn't cheating. Here's how the electoral college works: People vote for who they want. Those votes are counted up, and go the the electoral college. The electoral college gives 100% of its votes to the majority winner for that state. Each states gets more electoral college votes based on how big their population is. So if 51% of California votes for Al Gore, and 49% vote for George W. Bush, then Al Gore gets 41 (or so) votes counted from California, and George Bush gets 0 from California. Then 99% of Rhode Island's population votes for George W. Bush, and 1% votes for Al Gore. George Bush gets 2 votes from Rhode Island, And Al Gore gets none. Because of the way this works, a majority of the population can vote for the guy that end up losing. This is the third time in US history it's happened, I believe.
No cheating needed, but I certainly feel cheated.
-Ryan!
"Giving money and power to governments is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke
<!--QuoteBegin--Vyvn+Oct. 17 2002,19:39--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Vyvn @ Oct. 17 2002,19:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Besides, in a few billion years the Sun is gonna supernova, so we're screwed anyway.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think the human species should worry about making it through the next hundred years.
<a href="http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=8237" target="_blank">And as for the Bush propoganda machine...</a>
-Ryan!
"In the end we all die. You decide who dies first." -- Athens, the sentient warship in Schlock Mercenary, speaking to Admiral Breya
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No? Good.
So let's answer:
I'm pretty convinced he'll get it - by continuusly declaring that "everyone not for us is against us", he put a diplomatic knife at every 'no'-voters throat, which will sooner or later result in a positive resolution with some (possibly France, Germany, Russia and China) staying neutral.
<img src="http://kasmir.hugi.is/kasmir/umsjon/synamynd.php3?uname=zimsen&myndnafn=bush.jpg" border="0">
Funny you should mention that. The majority of American voters didn't. Thank you electoral college.
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ou yes.. shure excuse for my english, i know that its horrible, most of the time i have problems with times or i dont find the right words... and i write all the words wrong.. i know, but its getting better and better.
ps: and im not shure about the meaning of "electoral college"...
If only the world were that simple. You're not in as much control as you may be led to believe.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here's politics in America for you right here.
"I think the puppet on the left shares my beliefs."
"I think the puppet on the right is more to my liking."
"Hey wait a minute, there's just one guy holding up both puppets!"
<b>"Go back to bed America. Your government is in control. Go back to bed America."</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wrong. The electoral college is a group of people who choose a president. Their votes count, ours are just to see who the general public wants in office.
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You're thinking of Leonardo Decaprio.
But its strange, the strongest country on the world has a realy bad democracy....
look at switzerland.. we have the best democracy in the world... (thats true.. we can vote for every little thing(you go vote at least one time in a month), there is no president.. but it would be too long to explain that... and too difficult for me in english)
The people of the country vote:
A little while later the electoral college is held where the representatives of the state vote to who will become president, but they should vote according to what the popular vote of the people should be because if they don't then chances are they won't get re-elected, but in reality it is up to them, for example:
New York has (just guessing) 5 reprersentitives equalling up to 12 votes in the electoral, the majority of the people voted democrat, so they should vote democrat to appease the people of their states and 'represent' them in votes if they want to keep their jobs that is, really the vote is up to them and popular vote never matters.
Am I wrong? Did I get this right?
There was a video of Sadddam Hussain and a voiceover saying "He is one of the most dangerous men in the world with access to weapons of mass destruction" then the top half tears away to a video of George Bush giving a speech with a nice little banjo kicking in then the voiceover continues with "but should we be looking at George Bush instead?" The tagling at the end was The Mirror, Look again
Yeah, that sounds about right. So far in history only ever ONCE was the popular vote not the same as them guys. I forget the details- but yeah there u go.
first of all bush has exaggerated so much about the threat of iraq. he makes it seem that iraq is an immediate threat when they haven't done a thing for the past 8 years. All the missiles they shoot at US planes miss.
Second think of the internation response. The US is going to attack iraq as a "pre-emptive" strike. This means they attack first (the US in the past has had the history of only attacking after it was attacked itself).
Well, if the US can attack a country because they "feel threatened" by it, why can't China attack Taiwain? The Arab countries and Israel? India attack Pakistan?
Also, Hussein has said that he will shoot at Israel if the US attacks him. Well, he will. Also, Israel has told the US that it will retaliate if it's hit. It has been ###### at the Arab countries ever since it was founded. If Hussein bombs Israel I think Israel is going to retaliate very violently, possibly with a nuclear weapon (with Sharon you can never know).
When the American Constitution was first drafted, most of the populace was illiterate, and without mass media, it was nearly impossible for presidential candidates to get their name and ideas out on a wide scale, and thus impossible for the American people to make an educated choice.
That solution? The electoral college, a group of men (so many from each state by its popluation) who listened to the issues and made their best choice. Vitual representation, so to speak.
The idea is that if we don't like it, the people can always rise up and take control back. But now that we do have mass media, I wouldn't be against letting the people have full control.
This site does a "pretty good" job of defining it. The author has some subtle bias but otherwise it's not bad.
Check the links <a href="http://www.fec.gov/pages/ecmenu2.htm" target="_blank">HERE</a>.
And you just know that if Bush attacks Iraq, with or without the UN's approval, Saddam and his followers are gonna do everything they can to get back at the U.S. I don't think that Iraq currently has the capabilities to send a missile all the way to the U.S., but help us all if he or any other anti-Western group gets ahold of something big. It wouldn't just be trench fighting and tanks this time, it could be something a lot worse. Like a nuclear war.
Well, if we all get blown up, I hope the few survivors find it in their wisdom to make sure that never happens again. Humans are the strongest, most capable species ever to walk the earth, but that could be our downfall.
That's why we need to establish space colonies <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->. Besides, in a few billion years the Sun is gonna supernova, so we're screwed anyway.
The idea of the electoral collage is pretty simple, lets say we have three states: Maine, New Hampsire, and New York. Each gets a certain number of electoral votes per state, and the state goes all one way. Okay for the example say NY gets 5 votes, NH gets 3 and Maine gets 3. NY has 10million ppl, NH has 5million, and Maine 6 million. NY has all 10mil vote for Gore ggiving him 5 votes. 3/5ths of NH vote Bush giving him 3 electoral votes. Now Maine has 2/3rds vote Bush giving him 6 votes. Bush Wins 11 - 10 even though Gore had 14million ppl vote for him and Bush had only 7 million.
***Note All these numbers were made up***
Does that help? Or only confse you more? Also a question to think about: What would be different if Gore were President? (Think Iraq and 9/11)
that was a bit hard to read <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> Your not American are ya? <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--> But anyways what you are trying to say it that its better to go in and find if he has a nuke, rather than wait and see if he has one by watching him us it.... Right?
Another question then: What about North Korea, who bush called an 'axis of evil'?(They just told America that they have had a nuke program for some time...)
Thats the problem <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> Anyways I get your position, but just so you know Iraq would only have potential to attack someone close to them *cough*Isreal*cough*. They dont have intercontianetal ballistic missile capibilities...
Also when you say 'he' did not let our inspecters inspect, do ya mean bush or suddam?
He wasn't cheating. Here's how the electoral college works: People vote for who they want. Those votes are counted up, and go the the electoral college. The electoral college gives 100% of its votes to the majority winner for that state. Each states gets more electoral college votes based on how big their population is. So if 51% of California votes for Al Gore, and 49% vote for George W. Bush, then Al Gore gets 41 (or so) votes counted from California, and George Bush gets 0 from California. Then 99% of Rhode Island's population votes for George W. Bush, and 1% votes for Al Gore. George Bush gets 2 votes from Rhode Island, And Al Gore gets none. Because of the way this works, a majority of the population can vote for the guy that end up losing. This is the third time in US history it's happened, I believe.
No cheating needed, but I certainly feel cheated.
-Ryan!
"Giving money and power to governments is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."
-- P.J. O'Rourke
I think the human species should worry about making it through the next hundred years.
<a href="http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=8237" target="_blank">And as for the Bush propoganda machine...</a>
-Ryan!
"In the end we all die. You decide who dies first."
-- Athens, the sentient warship in Schlock Mercenary, speaking to Admiral Breya