Ns_altair

KungFuDiscoMonkey · March 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">Back from the Grave</div> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Current Release Version)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The First version of Altair is ready for PTing
I want to say thanks to DaRk_PlAgUe from the <a href='http://community.skulkrush.com/' target='_blank'>Skulkrush community</a> site for providing a mirror for Altair. Enjoy!

<a href='http://community.skulkrush.com/site/downloads/nsaltairv6c.zip' target='_blank'>ns_altair_v6c</a>
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</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Screenshots)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><a href='http://www.barrettphillips.com/~ptraylor/screenshot.php?image=images/projects/altair1.jpg' target='_blank'>Photoshop Overview</a>
<a href='http://www.barrettphillips.com/~ptraylor/screenshot.php?image=images/projects/altair3.jpg' target='_blank'>Marine Spawn</a>
<a href='http://www.barrettphillips.com/~ptraylor/screenshot.php?image=images/projects/altair5.jpg' target='_blank'>Coridor</a>
<a href='http://www.barrettphillips.com/~ptraylor/screenshot.php?image=images/projects/altair6.jpg' target='_blank'>Muk Pump</a>
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</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Version History)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><span style='color:orange'>ns_altair_v6c:</span>
finished roughting out lighting and details for playtest version
added entitys needed to make map work
added info_locations

<span style='color:orange'>ns_altair_v6b(internal):</span>
added walls/ceilings and got it to a version that could be compiled through HLVIS

<span style='color:orange'>ns_altair_v6a(internal):</span>
built basic layout in hammer based on photoshoped layout
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</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Known Issues)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Altair still has several dark areas and many rooms are lacking in detail. I am trying to go for a darker feel than most of the newer ns maps so tell me if it's way too dark.

I also know that there are some texture alignment issues that I haven't caught. Feel free to point them out. I might find them on my own.

I would like to remind you that this is a beta version and is for playtesting purposes. Suggestions for added detail and for gameplay improvements are appreciated.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

cas · March 2004

woot looking good =)

Mantrid · March 2004

Is that what good mappers do? Do they build all the floors, and then work up?

Maybe thats why I never finish a map...

DragonMech · March 2004

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /> <--- that says it all. Stunning. It looks very intricate.

Some_tall_guy1 · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Is that what good mappers do? Do they build all the floors, and then work up?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> Its kfdm, he does all sorts of weird things (like using hammers built in compiler <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />)

**edit**I like the layout! I wanna see some 1337 picz-0-d00w when you get this baby compiled!

Draconis · March 2004

Only 8 res nodes seems a bit too few considering that your map seems kinda big with all those stairs.

Furthermore the res nodes are placed strangely: 4 on the north side and 4 on south. Add to that fact that there is only 1 vent on the north hive, it will surely be a favorite for marines to put their nodes.

Lastly, i feel that the center room and south zone (cyan) needs more vent conducts leading to each other.

Otherwise it is a very eclipse-ish layout which is good <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Coblet · March 2004

The yellow section could do with an RT on the left hand side <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

KungFuDiscoMonkey · March 2004

Mantrid: This is the first time I have had a layout this good and this complete. Now that I've been working with a layout I think it's much superior but all mappers work differently. It just seams to work very well for me.

Draconis: Cobra^: I am thinking about putting in two more res nodes. One in the yellow and one in the purple on either side of the center room.

Draconis: I'll probally mess around with vents when I get to time to playtest. No sense in messing with them too much before then.

Some tall guy: I'm not weird, I'm Unique <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />.

Everyone: Thanks for the comments, I may detail one room tonight just to show what I have in store for yall <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Kouji_San · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuDiscoMonkey @ Mar 17 2004, 05:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> This is the first time I have had a layout this good and this complete. Now that I've been working with a layout I think it's much superior but all mappers work differently. It just seams to work very well for me.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Damnit you're layout is even more complete then mine <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />. But you'll soon find out that it easier to work with then without<span style='color:gray'> <-- my pesonal opinion <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /></span>

Ow and it looks good btw...

KungFuDiscoMonkey · March 2004

Updated the ingame layout to show completed layout (minus the vents) now its time for . . .

Detail work! Oh Yeah! (This means I'm adding detail work not I'm showing it off yet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />)

Edit: Noticed I forgot to make a way to go from top to middle with out going through a hive or MS.

/me slaps hand against head

I'll fix that later.

Decided I'd tease yall with at least one image <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />
<img src='http://www.barrettphillips.com/~ptraylor/nsforums/ms01.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

KungFuDiscoMonkey · March 2004

Tweaked lighting in above shot. Starting work on communications room.

LePrau · March 2004

Looks nice, still a little empty, but as there is more to come soon ... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Just go on!

I won't say anything about layouts as they have to be tested ingame <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

And you almost ever can change critical places in a map. Hope you will finish this...

KungFuDiscoMonkey · March 2004

I guess I'm done working for the evening. Thought this might be of intrest to some. I have plenty of resources left to work with <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />. BTW, this is the chart through VIS. I haven't run the full thing through RAD b/c theres no lights in most of the level yet.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Object names Objects/Maxobjs Memory / Maxmem Fullness
------------ --------------- --------------- --------
models 8/400 512/25600 ( 2.0)
planes 10036/65535 200720/1310700 (15.3)
vertexes 9437/65535 113244/786420 (14.4)
nodes 3132/32767 75168/786408 ( 9.6)
texinfos 1537/32767 61480/1310680 ( 4.7)
faces 6998/65535 139960/1310700 (10.7)
clipnodes 8640/32767 69120/262136 (26.4)
leaves 1315/8192 36820/229376 (16.1)
marksurfaces 8576/65535 17152/131070 (13.1)
surfedges 33167/512000 132668/2048000 ( 6.5)
edges 16662/256000 66648/1024000 ( 6.5)
texdata [variable] 1808/4194304 ( 0.0)
lightdata [variable] 0/6291456 ( 0.0)
visdata [variable] 32300/2097152 ( 1.5)
entdata [variable] 5313/524288 ( 1.0)
41 textures referenced</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

I have the layout minus the vents and a way to connect the top to the bottom through the middle complete. Tonight I worked on the MS (which you can see from the shot above) and did a bit of work on the sub bay and a coridor. Stay tuned for new images <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />.

KungFuDiscoMonkey · April 2004

dev_overview shot. I really should be working on my schoolwork but oh well.

KungFuDiscoMonkey · April 2004

Heck, I'll give yall two screens too.

<img src='http://www.barrettphillips.com/~ptraylor/images/projects/altair5.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

<img src='http://www.barrettphillips.com/~ptraylor/images/projects/altair6.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Crackerjack · April 2004

Not to much to say to this. It doesnt help me see your brushwork nor lighting and You really cant tell how good a map plays till you.. play it. Please post more finished areas and shots of that sort.

ShenTraX · April 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Crackerjack- @ Apr 8 2004, 02:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Not to much to say to this. It doesnt help me see your brushwork nor lighting and You really cant tell how good a map plays till you.. play it. Please post more finished areas and shots of that sort.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
pfft... what does he know...

looks good KFDM

Grizzly · April 2004

nice ! got a good feel to it
keep it dark <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif' /> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' />

Starchy · April 2004

The corridors are very nice, the colouring is sweet. I'm glad you haven't gone for the massive over use of coloured lighting that are so obvious in maps these days. Good work.

KungFuDiscoMonkey · April 2004

Thanks guys. I wanted to try to stay away from the traditional yellow/red/orange look and so far I've been pretty happy the way it's turned out although it's still a fairly rough build. I'd love to have a version ready for PTing in a few weeks. I'll have to see how it goes though.

Swiftspear · April 2004

Looks really neat and has a unique feel, looks like it still needs some of those "special places" that really set each map apart from evey other... ya know, a signiture.

Droggog · April 2004

Nice looking layout, and the in-game screens are looking ok so far. Some polishing here and there (details, and lighting in some places) and you can have a winnar <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Btw, does the name of the map have anything to do with that old 56' movie? I think its called "forbidden planet" in english. If so, i wanna see a model of robby the robot! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Olmy · April 2004

I think you need to figure out your own resource layout. The res points in the layout you have leave huge sections of your map with nothing, and places some rts in close vicinity to hive rts.

KungFuDiscoMonkey · April 2004

Swiftspear: Not quite sure you mean by 'special place'. I'm guessing just a unique room that sets it apart.

Droggog: Nope, I just seached for names of stars and found this name which sounded cool. Nothing to do with any TV show <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />.

Edgecrusher: Yeah, the res layout is rather weird right now but it'll be fixed eventually. Probally after a bit of PTing so that I know better where they should go.

Keep the comments comming. Your comments can help me make a better map.

Edit: I have some school work to work on today but maybe I'll do a bit more detail work and maybe have another screen or two.

LoDwkeef · April 2004

I hope you are going to add those vents you have on the bottom hive or else you are going to have some problems, marines will be able to hold that access point where the two hallways meet creating a chokepoint(much like cargo hive on ns_nothing but w/o the vent, marines would be able to hold it easier on your map). your other hives dont have access in just one point, <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /> theyre great!

NICE WORK

Forlorn · April 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuDiscoMonkey @ Mar 17 2004, 05:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Updated the ingame layout to show completed layout (minus the vents) now its time for . . .

Detail work! Oh Yeah! (This means I'm adding detail work not I'm showing it off yet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />)

Edit: Noticed I forgot to make a way to go from top to middle with out going through a hive or MS.

/me slaps hand against head

I'll fix that later.

Decided I'd tease yall with at least one image <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />
<img src='http://www.barrettphillips.com/~ptraylor/nsforums/ms01.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I hope there are more entry ways than that, that is one of the most rediculously easy to defend marine spawns I've seen since the old ns_eclipse

Sewlek · April 2004

I just looked at the screens and i have to say:
This map is nice, continue on it!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

KungFuDiscoMonkey · April 2004

I FINIALLY HAVE A BUILD OF ALTAIR THAT IS READY FOR PTING!

I'm not ready however to release a build on the NS Forums but if you would like to get a copy, try to catch me on #nsmapping (I don't want my bandwidth to take a huge hit). I hope to get a bit of PTing with the #nsmapping guys to make sure there isn't anything major wrong then I'll post a link here.

TranquilChaos · April 2004

It was pretty fun to PT, albeit us lacking enough players for a proper game. I liked the atmosphere. The map was dark but not too dark to play properly. My only major suggestion is same one I made on the server. Add a little more detail to some of the hallways, the r_speeds are nice and low and you can easily afford some added detail. (You said you were working on it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /> ) I would suggest perhaps adding something of interest to the walls of some of the hallways as many of them use the same texture. Perhaps support beams or lights, pipes or wires, whatever you'd think might fit in. It would help liven up some of the similary textured rooms.
Also, in that one room with the pit, near the first hive we cleared. (I can't remember the name, a spotlight on the pit or the detailed wall behind it and perhaps a little additional detail would be nice. (Making the pit stand out more.)

KungFuDiscoMonkey · April 2004

Figured I'd post a link to a few screens real quick.

<a href='http://www.barrettphillips.com/~ptraylor/index.php?page=projects&web=NSForums' target='_blank'>http://www.barrettphillips.com/~ptraylor/i...p?page=projects</a>

I hope to have another playtest with the #nsmapping guys tonight when I get home from school. I've already identified a few minor problems but that shouldn't affect it's playability.

KungFuDiscoMonkey · April 2004

I want to say thanks to DaRk_PlAgUe from the <a href='http://community.skulkrush.com/' target='_blank'>Skulkrush community</a> site for providing a mirror for Altair. Enjoy!

<a href='http://community.skulkrush.com/site/downloads/nsaltairv6c.zip' target='_blank'>ns_altair_v6c</a>

Please feel free to put this on your servers and PT. Post any comments and suggestions here. I hope to have a PT tonight around 8:00 PM EST. Join #nsmapping on gamesurge for the details.

Edit: Also updated first post.

Ns_altair

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