<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Mar 4 2004, 04:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Mar 4 2004, 04:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Because people have (a lot of good) reasons for not wanting to join a clan. If it pains you to hear this, I'm sorry, but the popular opinion I hear a lot is:
1) A lot of vets aren't quite... the most sterling members of the community. It's just a case of 'the bad grape spoils the bunch'. We've all seen the vets that join pubs just to completely ruin the game with exploits or their crappy attitude for 'fun'. However, because the NS clan community is small, this "small group" of players that act like this, unfortunatley, makes up a pretty big chunk of clanplay. I honestly wish we would root out these people and just banish them. I wish the clan play could be fun and friendly. Instead I've seen people joining pubs, commanding, then calling everyone 'stupid f****t noobs!' and leaving.
This is my number 1 reason I'll never join an NS clan. Note specifically I said NS. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> It pains even ME to say this, but this is the only game I've encountered with a clan community I have overall hatred for BECAUSE of those few rotten seeds.
Now on seperate, but related notes:
2) Many people don't have the time dedication to be in a clan.
3) Most people prefer a casual have-fun environment to a high pressure "OMG WE HAVE TO WIN NUBS!" one. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Who casted the first stone? Thanks, sorry i'm not familar with Euro vernacular I apologize. Go play and have fun.
<!--QuoteBegin-Firewater+Mar 4 2004, 02:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Mar 4 2004, 02:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Mar 4 2004, 04:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Mar 4 2004, 04:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Because people have (a lot of good) reasons for not wanting to join a clan. If it pains you to hear this, I'm sorry, but the popular opinion I hear a lot is:
1) A lot of vets aren't quite... the most sterling members of the community. It's just a case of 'the bad grape spoils the bunch'. We've all seen the vets that join pubs just to completely ruin the game with exploits or their crappy attitude for 'fun'. However, because the NS clan community is small, this "small group" of players that act like this, unfortunatley, makes up a pretty big chunk of clanplay. I honestly wish we would root out these people and just banish them. I wish the clan play could be fun and friendly. Instead I've seen people joining pubs, commanding, then calling everyone 'stupid f****t noobs!' and leaving.
This is my number 1 reason I'll never join an NS clan. Note specifically I said NS. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> It pains even ME to say this, but this is the only game I've encountered with a clan community I have overall hatred for BECAUSE of those few rotten seeds.
Now on seperate, but related notes:
2) Many people don't have the time dedication to be in a clan.
3) Most people prefer a casual have-fun environment to a high pressure "OMG WE HAVE TO WIN NUBS!" one. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Who casted the first stone? Thanks, sorry i'm not familar with Euro vernacular I apologize. Go play and have fun. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I fail to see how saying what others in this thread confirm as true in pubs qualifies as a flame.
<!--QuoteBegin-AoF.Palin+Mar 4 2004, 02:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AoF.Palin @ Mar 4 2004, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> sod is a mostly british english euphamism for "someone beneath you"... just like actual sod is the pretty grass and dirt that exist on pretty lawns... you tend to walk on it.
also Firewater, please don't get too hung up on someone generalizing. Everyone knows there are exceptions to the rule. I for one know that you are one such elite. There are quite a few that are an exception to the rule. But you also have to understand the statements from the point of view coming from someone who plays on pubs only. The majority of "veterans" and "elite" that they ever come in contact with DO act as accused. The generalalities ensue because they never see the "vets" and "elite" outside of the context of playing on one of the pubs. Nor will they ever because they likely won't participate in pugs, scrims, or competitions. You refer to these guys as the bad apples of the elite community, but unfortunately thats the only thing most pubbers ever see... thus they become the representative of "vets" and "elite" and the rest of the better ones are simply exceptions to the rule.
So yes, under THIS context, "vets" and "elites" generally degrade the fun factor for anyone playing on a pub.
On the flip side most pubbers have to deal with generalities imposed upon us by the elite. Not all pubbers lack skill enough to compete competitively... some of us just don't. If you take offense to generalizations about a group of people you are GENERALLY a part of... then simply disassociate youself from that group... don't try to dispute the generalization... because in the GENERAL case generalizations ARE true.
My two (unworthy pubber scrub) cents. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Said it better then I've been trying to.
Firewater, case in point: I just finished a co_ game with a veteran. He wasn't sporting the clan tags, but the icon was there. He was doing okay.
Then he found out friendlyfire was on.
Suddenly: "This server is ***" "OMG this sucks." "This is so ****** ***"
A vet. Whining about Friendly Fire. Psht please. Now I *KNOW* this is one of the bad apples you talk about. The problem? He's not the only one, and there's always more like him. HAM doesn't leave their server on a pub tour of duty, so all you ever see are people like this guy.
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1) A lot of vets aren't quite... the most sterling members of the community. It's just a case of 'the bad grape spoils the bunch'. We've all seen the vets that join pubs just to completely ruin the game with exploits or their crappy attitude for 'fun'. However, because the NS clan community is small, this "small group" of players that act like this, unfortunatley, makes up a pretty big chunk of clanplay. I honestly wish we would root out these people and just banish them. I wish the clan play could be fun and friendly. Instead I've seen people joining pubs, commanding, then calling everyone 'stupid f****t noobs!' and leaving.
This is my number 1 reason I'll never join an NS clan. Note specifically I said NS. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> It pains even ME to say this, but this is the only game I've encountered with a clan community I have overall hatred for BECAUSE of those few rotten seeds.
Now on seperate, but related notes:
2) Many people don't have the time dedication to be in a clan.
3) Most people prefer a casual have-fun environment to a high pressure "OMG WE HAVE TO WIN NUBS!" one. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who casted the first stone? Thanks, sorry i'm not familar with Euro vernacular I apologize. Go play and have fun.
1) A lot of vets aren't quite... the most sterling members of the community. It's just a case of 'the bad grape spoils the bunch'. We've all seen the vets that join pubs just to completely ruin the game with exploits or their crappy attitude for 'fun'. However, because the NS clan community is small, this "small group" of players that act like this, unfortunatley, makes up a pretty big chunk of clanplay. I honestly wish we would root out these people and just banish them. I wish the clan play could be fun and friendly. Instead I've seen people joining pubs, commanding, then calling everyone 'stupid f****t noobs!' and leaving.
This is my number 1 reason I'll never join an NS clan. Note specifically I said NS. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> It pains even ME to say this, but this is the only game I've encountered with a clan community I have overall hatred for BECAUSE of those few rotten seeds.
Now on seperate, but related notes:
2) Many people don't have the time dedication to be in a clan.
3) Most people prefer a casual have-fun environment to a high pressure "OMG WE HAVE TO WIN NUBS!" one. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who casted the first stone? Thanks, sorry i'm not familar with Euro vernacular I apologize. Go play and have fun. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I fail to see how saying what others in this thread confirm as true in pubs qualifies as a flame.
also Firewater, please don't get too hung up on someone generalizing. Everyone knows there are exceptions to the rule. I for one know that you are one such elite. There are quite a few that are an exception to the rule. But you also have to understand the statements from the point of view coming from someone who plays on pubs only. The majority of "veterans" and "elite" that they ever come in contact with DO act as accused. The generalalities ensue because they never see the "vets" and "elite" outside of the context of playing on one of the pubs. Nor will they ever because they likely won't participate in pugs, scrims, or competitions. You refer to these guys as the bad apples of the elite community, but unfortunately thats the only thing most pubbers ever see... thus they become the representative of "vets" and "elite" and the rest of the better ones are simply exceptions to the rule.
So yes, under THIS context, "vets" and "elites" generally degrade the fun factor for anyone playing on a pub.
On the flip side most pubbers have to deal with generalities imposed upon us by the elite. Not all pubbers lack skill enough to compete competitively... some of us just don't. If you take offense to generalizations about a group of people you are GENERALLY a part of... then simply disassociate youself from that group... don't try to dispute the generalization... because in the GENERAL case generalizations ARE true.
My two (unworthy pubber scrub) cents. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Said it better then I've been trying to.
Firewater, case in point: I just finished a co_ game with a veteran. He wasn't sporting the clan tags, but the icon was there. He was doing okay.
Then he found out friendlyfire was on.
Suddenly: "This server is ***" "OMG this sucks." "This is so ****** ***"
A vet. Whining about Friendly Fire. Psht please. Now I *KNOW* this is one of the bad apples you talk about. The problem? He's not the only one, and there's always more like him. HAM doesn't leave their server on a pub tour of duty, so all you ever see are people like this guy.
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