W2k Vs 2003

zippy

Which is best you guyz phink for ns v3?

I'm wondering coz i'm about to tryout a xp3000 server and run ns on it, with windows.

Any CPU stats would be great.

zippy

tsnHelloKitty

Windows 2003 Server Web Edition is probably the most cost-effective server-level solution, currently, for running a HLDS or two. 2003 also sports many optimizations related to network performance, so I wouldn't be surprised if properly configured 2003 servers ping lower than 2000 servers on equivalent hardware.

I'm running an NS 3 beta 3 server on Windows 2003, with AdminMod, MetaMod, and Booster 2.1 installed, on a 2.8Ghz P4 system with 1GB ECC RAM, connected to a 1.5/768 ADSL line. It is quite zippy, running 250 FPS (due to Booster 2.1), and loading maps faster than I've seen any other server load them (within 6 seconds). People in my local area of the Internet ping about 35 ms. I still haven't determined how many people it can support simultaneously, though...only a few people join at a time.

zippy

i was told web editon was a basic 2003 without sql etc.. and does not load applications.

but i need cpu figures.

I'm looking at a XP3000 on windows with 1gb ram and OC3'

i am hoping to runmaybe '1x16 ns', and '1x20 dod'

zippy

eaglec

Cheap and easy option, Windows XP. Needs a little tweaking but all the basics are there. HLDS wont take advantage of what Server 2k3 offers.

Works for us. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

zippy

Can only choose 2003 or w2k.

2003 i choose and we'll see how it fairs.

zippy

eaglec

Well in that case good choice. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Lightning_Blue

Windows 2003 Web Edition works perfectly fine with HLDS, UTK4 and a few other things I've thrown at it.

Go with it and you won't be dissappointed! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

zippy

web edition doens't support 4 way smp or 4 gb ram or for that fact my sql

zippy

Lightning_Blue

Uh? Runs <b>mySQL</b> perfectly fine for me. You might be thinkiug of <b>MSSQL</b>, in that case, that is correct. Don't need either for a simple HLDS box.


Why on earth would you need four-way-smp or 4 gigs of ram for a few HLDS boxes? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Fierce

I personally don't like Windows 2003 at all doesn't work well with a lot of existing software even some games has problems with, but then again you probably will be only using it for a server correct??.. The difference is pretty simple Windows 2003 can go up to 4gb of ram while web edition cant only 2gb same goes for the multi-processor.. If you don't care about having 2gb maxium and want sql then I would go for Windows 2003 Web Edition, if you want 4gb ram maxium and no sql go for Windows 2003..

Also this goes to [tsn]HelloKitty... your server loads in 6 seconds on mapchange eh?? well I hate to break it to ya, but just about any server can load in that time.. just set mp_chattime to 6 that easy..

tsnHelloKitty

<!--QuoteBegin-Fierce+Feb 27 2004, 03:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fierce @ Feb 27 2004, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also this goes to [tsn]HelloKitty... your server loads in 6 seconds on mapchange eh?? well I hate to break it to ya, but just about any server can load in that time.. just set mp_chattime to 6 that easy.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok, maybe I wasn't clear...I was talking about the time the server takes to actually change the map. From the time the "Natural Selection - Loading" icon pops up, to the time you spawn in the ready room of the next map. It takes 3 to 6 seconds on my server, and most servers I've played on take at least 6 to 8. Not a big thing, I'll admit. Not talking about the "chat time" before a map changes.

Also, for Web Edition, you've got to factor in the cost of the OS, unless of course you're pirating it. Web edition is much cheaper than Standard, at only about $300. If you get hooked up by a MS employee, you could get it for 1/10th that price. I laugh at the people that say they are running 2003 Enterprise Edition. Not only are they not getting any real performance gains from it, it's painfully obvious they are pirating it, if it's their own (not a rented or managed) server. Web Edition is fine for basic apps like HLDS and mySQL, and cheap for a Windows server.

zippy

only paying 5 dollars more for 2003 over web edition so it's fine for me <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

zippy

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General Info:

Get linux mandrake it is more cost effective... $0
Get MySQL... also $0
Get Postfix... $0
Get Apache...$0
Get NS & Steam (and send them 5 bucks) $5
Get 1 half life CD.. $10
Get some cheap box to put it on $25 (after rebate)
Get a Dedicated DSL line ...$35 a mo
Get a bunch of beer to drink when you play NS... $50 a mo!()*#$&

How the heck did life get so good!

You can get a cheap linux box to run faster than a top of the line windows box any day of the week... especially when you run in native console mode.

eaglec

A competant linux guru can indeed get linus to run better than an incompetant windows idiot. The problem is that when you start wanting to add thinks like metamod pluggins and scripts Windows becomes a far more stable platform. NTFM have a linux server and a windows server. They both have good and bad points.

MySQL, Apache, PHP, Sendmail all run on windows. Although you could chose the IIS option.

Please take your anti-windows propaganda elsewhere. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> With equal competance from the systems engineer linux and windows are different but equal platforms. Although windows costs a bit of cash it is better in some areas and if thats what you want then it is worth the money.

zippy

in steams current state windows is alot better especially with amd chips <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

as for linux, for gaming linux should beat windows for hosting servers hands down but alas the devs @ steam are crap at their job <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

zippy

Zdrone

Going to move the normal Linux vs Win32 flamewar in a new direction... W2K vs W2K3!

I run 3 (or 4?) W2K servers and 1 W2K3.

I despise 2K3. Microsoft went overboard on the security and its a pain in the butt to remove it to the point that its usable (in my opinion). They didnt fix the holes in the OS, they just made it more difficult to get your job done.

I run my servers under tsclient (I assume like some of you win32 users do). Administration mode for W2K was easier to accomplish than in W2K3 as well as loading twice as fast (dont know why).

Funny thing is, when downloading (say for an NS server update), I will start the download on all servers at once. The W2K3 server ALWAYS takes 4 times as long to download even though hardware and circuitwise, things are equal. Im baffled by it but don't want to take the time to figure it out.

There are a few other issues but they are personal choice.

Go with what your comfortable with. W2K is easier in my opinion but Im not a server kind of guy, it just appeals to the idiot side of me.