Savage

S_T_A_R_S_Barry

<div class="IPBDescription">any one say NS ripoff</div> Ok i was looking for a nw game the other day and ifound this for sale in the shops it is called savage and is quite clearly a fantasy based rip off of NS take a look for ya self at <a href='http://www.s2games.com/savage/' target='_blank'>www.s2games.com/savage</a>

Marine0I

Here we go with this old pineapple <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Look, a while back there was a big arguement between the Savage people and us because one of their developers were slagging off our game. Eventually that dog S2Rocky came off his high horse, had a chat with flayra on ICQ and worked out that both NS and savage could exist without the universe imploding.

If you actually play savage you'll realise that the only thing copied is the commander mode, and the RTS/FPS combo is by no means invented or belonging to NS. Its been done before, it will be done again.

They didnt steal anything - the only really questionable thing about them is their claim "The first true RTS/FPS game ever".

Which is horse****

S_T_A_R_S_Barry

ok heres some screen shots to prove my point
commander mode
<img src='http://www.s2games.com/savage/screenshots/images/screens_lm_com.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
and heres the FPS view
<img src='http://www.s2games.com/savage/screenshots/images/screens_lm_act.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
on top of that you can turn the tech trees in many difrent ways so the humans end up as huge high tech gun totering marines

S_T_A_R_S_Barry

lol if you read the thing as well you will notice they claim the game is unique i think you should sue for false advertising

Marine0I

Doesnt change a single one of my points. The RTS/FPS idea is not original - even to NS. Alleigance beat us, Battlezone beat us. Are we an Alliegance rip off too?

Thats the only thing thats similar about NS and Savage - the commander mode, and the comm mode isnt something that we have copywrited.

S_T_A_R_S_Barry

well to be fair NS is the only real game to sucessfuly pull the RTS/FPS genre and the main thing imowrrying about is how long before a starship troopers mod comes out for savage that can steal NS's thunder for gods sake the team has already made a fully working samuri mod for savage and most of the world dousent even have the game yet, so its only a matter of timebefore the peep who made svage try and blow the only competion it has on the genre out of the water.

Marine0I

I useda worry about that barry - but then I realised that savage is an "out in the open" mod, with large fields etc.

Marines VS aliens fighting in ships/stations really cant be replicated on the Silverback engine. NS will remain unique no matter what mods go ahead on Silverback.

cshank4

So I guess Halo ripped offa Counterstrike? So I guess Half Life ripped off of Doom? Bah. anatta wa baka. (no not grammatically correct) Genres of games can be used by anyone. They are not copy righted. Get used to it.

S_T_A_R_S_Barry

iwould majory worry jsut becouse the egine dousent suport it dousent mean it wont be done take HL rally and the RTS=3 mod for operation flashpoint (anouther RTS/FPS) blend and of course take HL and NS for examples,it is a big open feild gameplay but so is planet side and they have core combat, lol all these examples show that egine can be majorly reedited to fit the new intened purpose,

cshank4

uh Core combat is an Expansion for Planetside... and a crappy one at that... not a MOD. The Quake engine is one of the hardier one, i will admit. But the point still stands. Savage is in an alternate Medieval universe where humans get tech from old RUINS... not from the armory! And they fight werewolves and other such crap. Play the game before you speak please... (the game rocks...)

S_T_A_R_S_Barry

actuely halodidnt ripof counter strike a clearrip of counter strike is global operations which has the same system and team based tactiksjsut witha diffrent selection of weps. Doom is a marine sent to hell with double barreled shotguns while halflife is about a man/alien (if you know plot to HL2 youel know that) called gorden freeman who disrupts the tempral equlibrium between our world and xen which how ever these genres are very very limated CS has created its own genre and had over specelised and thousend of fans will be able to spot a rip off if any thingets close becouse there are sofew games like it, the same is true about NS if anythin comes close becouse there are so few games like it there will be hailed as rip off untill the genre expands that the whole issue is forgotten so until lthat happens it seems i am right.

Geminosity

oh noes... if someone makes an NS-like mod for savage then that means... that means... um... we don't have to play it if we don't want to?
What's the worry here? So what if savage births a mod similar to this one? If it's poop we just continue to play NS if it's better then we go play that instead. More likely anything they make won't be the same so people might just end up playing both.

Don't know about you but I just go where the games and community are, I'm rarely bothered about who's making them ^^

As for it being a rip-off, I think that's been covered well enough to show that it isn't <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

(and it's 'anata wa baka desu' ^~ )

cshank4

<!--QuoteBegin-S.T.A.R.S. Barry+Feb 12 2004, 09:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (S.T.A.R.S. Barry @ Feb 12 2004, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> actuely halodidnt ripof counter strike a clearrip of counter strike is global operations which has the same system and team based tactiksjsut witha diffrent selection of weps. Doom is a marine sent to hell with double barreled shotguns while halflife is about a man/alien (if you know plot to HL2 youel know that) called gorden freeman who disrupts the tempral equlibrium between our world and xen which how ever these genres are very very limated CS has created its own genre and had over specelised and thousend of fans will be able to spot a rip off if any thingets close becouse there are sofew games like it, the same is true about NS if anythin comes close becouse there are so few games like it there will be hailed as rip off untill the genre expands that the whole issue is forgotten so until lthat happens it seems i am right. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, Savage, two daughters are born to be saviour of humanity, one sees how the humans are treating the beasts, she leads them in revolt while the other one leads the humans in battle. NS: Aliens show up, kill stuff, naturally america declares war.

SO as long as they arn't fighting on a ship. With Phase Gate, and Infantry Portals, and HMGS, And Heavy Armor that goes CLUNK CLUNK *CHOMP* DIE. then the game is original. Welcome to the world of marketting!


PS: Learn to spell please.

S_T_A_R_S_Barry

lol who said i dint buy it i said i saw it and it does rock (although it feels a bit limated as every one seems to go for the damn chem tech and jsut massicare the game with that) but apart from that (and they aint warewolfs there human/beast croseebreads and there more like a leapord than anythin else) you gota admit to does how a striking resembalence to C&C renigade for play stype so il just say it rips off warcraft3/renigade lol hay it works

S_T_A_R_S_Barry

still dont stop the fact that this statment has been relased about the game
"Whether you’re an FPS or RTS fan, Savage is a unique game that should appeal to both crowds."
at least youdont have to pay for the online element thankgod most games seem to that these days and since when did you have to spell in forums iv seen loads of peep going forshilal my nizal as ne bod boys in da hood

CommunistWithAGun

Its been discussed before and its not a rip off, so get over yourself <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Cronos

Not this argument again!

FPS/RTS is a genre. A genre cannot be copyrighted.

There are no aliens in savage. There are no HMGs, IP's, or Hives or onoses in savage.

The only things the games have in common are the following:

Both feature humans
Both feature weapons
Both feature commander modes (with a UI similar to the War3 interface)
Both are RTS/FPS hybrids

Now please lock this topic before my headache bursts out of my head and goes on a murderous rampage.

Please.

S_T_A_R_S_Barry

oh comon the HMG is called a repater the onos works in the same way as the behamoth and of course finaly there are 3 levels but i gota amid savage is kkinda better than NS im just wondering when some one gonna make a vietnam/moden warfare mod for it im hoping a C&C tiberian sun mod will be on the cards as it would rule. Oh nice qoute comunist its one of my fav of all time, and it great when it comes up on opertion flahspoint makes losing all the worth while.

CommunistWithAGun

<!--QuoteBegin-S.T.A.R.S. Barry+Feb 12 2004, 09:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (S.T.A.R.S. Barry @ Feb 12 2004, 09:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> oh comon the HMG is called a repater the onos works in the same way as the behamoth and of course finaly there are 3 levels but i gota amid savage is kkinda better than NS im just wondering when some one gonna make a vietnam/moden warfare mod for it im hoping a C&C tiberian sun mod will be on the cards as it would rule. Oh nice qoute comunist its one of my fav of all time, and it great when it comes up on opertion flahspoint makes losing all the worth while. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe you should've spent the money on an english text...



Regardless this thread is stupid


*reported*

aaarrrgh

I've been playing both games since they were released. And they honestly have very little in common.

Savage is a much more open mass scale game, whereas NS focuses on tight small areas. Savage has two sides that resemble each other, NS has 2 widely different. Savage has a linear upgrade scheme where weapons become obsolete once you get new ones, NS is really quite different on that issue. Savage has NPCs controlled by the commander, NS doesn't.

I could go on all day like that. But I won't since I think I've already proved my point. And I'm not even discussing which is better (since that's a silly discussion).

Talesin

Enough. Barry, USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION. I don't know how many times I've told you to in S&I, but it applies to all the other forums as well.

This was brought up before, and settled. Read the last SIX threads about it, where the reasoning was repeated. I don't feel like typing everyhting out just because someone was too lazy to hit the search button before the 'new thread' button.

<span style='color:red'>***LOCKED.***</span>