Ugl Must Be Insane
Impy_The_Lerk
Join Date: 2003-05-24 Member: 16652Banned
Join Date: 2003-05-24 Member: 16652Banned
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<div class="IPBDescription">wow... gg ugl</div> <a href='http://ugleague.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=303' target='_blank'>UGL 's accusations</a>
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"In regards to his Kharaa play as fade, he used a lot of energy with blink and swipe, but never got a second upgrade past the first, which was Regeneration. He had only one upgrade and that upgrade was a defensive upgrade, and in no way could have been a movement upgrade. We all have played fade and we realize that there is almost no way that you can have any energy, or at least to swipe as often as he did, after using blink that much, at least not without an Adrenaline upgrade."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ugl is accusing this guy of "Adrenline , or Energy" hacks... or scripting
i would have expected something like this from some of the lower clans.... but a league admin....
wow....
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"In regards to his Kharaa play as fade, he used a lot of energy with blink and swipe, but never got a second upgrade past the first, which was Regeneration. He had only one upgrade and that upgrade was a defensive upgrade, and in no way could have been a movement upgrade. We all have played fade and we realize that there is almost no way that you can have any energy, or at least to swipe as often as he did, after using blink that much, at least not without an Adrenaline upgrade."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ugl is accusing this guy of "Adrenline , or Energy" hacks... or scripting
i would have expected something like this from some of the lower clans.... but a league admin....
wow....
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if it was [UVic] Special K I know him and he is pretty chill
Conflict of Interest.... One of the league admins placed the accusation, and was able to comment on it.
Never mind Pete Rose betting on baseball, this is like Pete being the commisioner of baseball with the ability to modify rules and being a manager on the field at the same time....
Of course this isn't the first UGL has made a decision that was completely confused.... (think back to playoffs of last year)
<Ok, I'm still a little bitter about that situation, but it was messed.. >
I didn't think such hacks were possible anyway, wouldn't it be the equivilent of infinate ammo in CS?
Do the UGL people who run UGL actually play the game or...
-edit- Added the boldness, and I want you to look at my next post(2 down from here)
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*Cowers in fear*
and he was playing in the match under a different name...
anyone else think thats a little fishy?
i reviewed the demos also, not only was an "average fade" playing nothing but how any other fade would play... ds had no upgrades... im not sure what they expected to happen...
btw 4v4 is imballenced in ns
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That's me.
Meh, you're always welcome at TH's server! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
OK, sorry that was cheezy..
I will vouch for Larry (depot). He has a good sense of sportsmanship. I spent about 3 months playing with him, so I would know.
The ways of UGL have always mystified me. Regardless, I honestly don't think anybody will feel too bad for long being banned from there. I just hope the other leagues don't hold it against them.
and he was playing in the match under a different name...
anyone else think thats a little fishy?
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Definitely. I used to be in DS, but they never won and I got sick of having _no_ strategy. He would get mad over the strangest things...
The reasons are described as the following :
<i>"guilty of using abnormal methods of attack as a fade"
"His marine tactics were found to be questionable, but wallhacks could <u>not be proved"</u></i>
<b>MARINES :</b>
Quote from one of larry's response's in this forum:
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1) The pitter patter of the skulks feet could easily be heard since almost all of them Ran in and did not Walk in and attempt to ambush him. <b>One at a time</b>. Anyone with a craptastic pair of headphones or speakers could have heard them.
2) [this is hilarious] On at least 3 occasions, a gorg name Depot (Larry) was attempting to hide from Spec K. (twice at ship tunnel, once at upper sewer) And in Larry's defense, he was pretty well hidden, from Spec K's point of view anyways. That was until larry made the "enemy here" chuckle-like sound... <b>COMPLETELY GIVING AWAY HIS POSITION.</b> This was a first for me, personally i've never seen anyone do that in a scrim or match that i've played in thus far. But i wish more people did, as it would make marines job's so much easier.
<b>KHARAA :</b>
Quote from one of larry's response's in this forum:
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1) Spec K is a good enough player to know better than to hold down blink the entire time. He was using short, controlled bursts of blink, which was more than enough to move freely in that small-medium sized room in lower sewer. On <b>several</b> occasions he blinked up to the catwalk in lower sewer and ducked down. Not only was that to replenish his health, but his energy was also slowly filling back up every time he did that. And when he went out into upper sewer, he more than likely went back into battle with a fully charged energy bar.
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2) Demos hardly ever record sound accurately. There are often times missing sounds, and messed up positionings of sounds. Making that assumption based off a demo is absurd to me.
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3) If you conserve your energy, and blink efficiently, you most certainly can. Someone in this thread has already posted a demo of it by himself. If you like i will record one fighting my own clanmates, in exactly the same fashion as Spec K, and do exactly the same thing. Anyone that reads this is urged to load up your own game, and try it out in that room for yourself, and see for yourself.
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4) I know of no type of script that would accomplish this. I have tried blink/swipe scripts before, and those use Far More Energy than it does to manually use LASTINV. Those give you less control over your fade, and use more energy.
5) Spec K was given the privilege to have a complete feeding frenzy as a regen fade, in a small-medium size room, against marines that (sorry but it's true) have poor aim, had <b>NO ARMS LAB</b>, so they were <b>0/0 on ups with their lmg's</b>, and were attempting to take down an above average fade. They didn't even hand out shotties until the 2nd fade showed up, but it was already too late. This is most likely going to be the only "win" for DS this season. I think anyone that is a good fade, would agree that not only were his movements completelty legal, but it was probably also a lot of fun to play that round for him.
6) The first person demo does <b>NOT DISPLAY THE ENERGY BAR</b>. Therefore the above comments are made on <u>pure speculation and assumption</u>. This is not intened to be an insult, just my opinion. I would venture to guess, that the BoR consists of below average players. None of which can fade at the ability of Spec K, and know nothing of what it feels like to actually blink / swipe like he does. And do not realize that what he did, is indeed, completely possible, and honestly nothing special.
Team Animosity is a relatively new clan, having only been together a few months. However they know the basics on how to play matches. We all know that Match Style > Pub Style. I think the relocation, and use of at least 1 electried RT and 1 electrifed TF, and having no arms lab (or armory for that matter.. until the end) is proof enough that DS is a very new clan. I have no idea how long they have been together, but they are still playing the game like it was a public server. It comes as no surprise to me that they were completely dominated by Team Animosity... mainly Spec K's fading.
Last but not least... all of this nonsense has come from a completely <b>ILLEGAL</b> game. According to the UGL rules you <b>CANNOT</b> play a match with less than 5 people. This was a 4vs4 game. I have no doubt that if any 2 other clans attemped this, the results for both would be overturned. However, not only was Larry's team participating in this, but from word of mouth from some animosity members, it was said that Larry <b><i>suggested</i></b> that they play 4vs4, since both teams were lacking players. GG breaking your own rules.
My vote would be to have some people that are not only experienced admins, but also experiened NS players, review his demo and give their own opinion. Some certain CAL admins already come to mind.
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PS- This is all of course, just my opinion. Take it for what you will. Watch the demo and make your own verdict :
<i>http://www.animosity-clan.com/bk/Demos/SpecialKuglmatch.zip</i>
If you agree that Special K is innocent, please idle #freespecialk
This post is a copy from the UGL thread currently going :
<i>http://ugleague.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=303&st=0</i>
I mean, if they banned this dude, #cri isn't gonna last one week
:edit: UGL boards are down... Maybee Larry is trying to get attention off that thread by closing the forums... j/k, but I wonder why they are down...
gg UGL =O
anyways, i'm done with all this. Time to focus on CAL.
[22:06] <DG|Caboose-TPF-> Were you one the BOR?
[22:06] <UGL-nsc|Jeff> and, I'm not the f-ing director of the league
[22:07] <UGL-nsc|Jeff> yes, Caboose, I was on the BOR
[22:07] <DG|Caboose-TPF-> did you think he was "Hacking"
[22:07] <DG|Caboose-TPF-> it said majority, so I hope some of you had common sence
[22:07] <UGL-nsc|Jeff> I'm not going to get into the details of the board
[22:08] <UGL-nsc|Jeff> I was suspicious... but I didn't offer a definitive indictment
[22:09] <DG|Caboose-TPF-> yea, it was not the mose intelligent decision
[22:09] <UGL-nsc|Jeff> I wasn't ready to ban the guy just yet... as I said, I was suspicious of SpecialK, but I wasn't 100% sure
P.S. This is the same larry that dismissed ue's win, last season, simply because they were playing under a different tag, right?
<b>The funniest thing about this is, if you haven't caught on already, is that |DS| is the clan animosity was playing. Both Larry and Depot (or are they the same people?) are in |DS|. Larry was the one "wallh4xed" by Special K. Larry was the one that accused Special K. I smell rotten fishes.</b>
nm, i see impy already posted the above, but I usually ignore his posts :X
show your support, #freespecialk
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Exactly! That's why I left them - they played like they were on public servers then they wondered why they lost! There is no coordination, and then Larry (who is Depot) gets mad when the team loses. The only win we ever had in my time there was when an Austrailian clan didn't show up to a match because it was 2AM on a weekday for them, despite my massive body count. Accusing someone of hacking out of frustration with his own clan's lack of skill sounds exactly like something he would do.
P.S. I played a few games with SpecK a while ago, and he definitely did not seem like a hacker. Highly skilled, yes, but still defeatable with the right coordination, another reason I doubt he was hacking; it would be very easy for someone like him to take down |ds| single-handed due to their "every man for himself" mentality.
it looks like this matter was overturned
public outrage seems to have changed the leagues mind into rethinking it
I'm not sure I follow this. [TA] didn't produce evidence for what? That they don't cheat? Can somebody clear this up for me?
BTW, I watched both demos and didn't see anything suspicious. Besides that, at the end of the match, Depot clearly replies "GG". Why, if a member of the other team was cheating, did their captain not respond immediately? I have prior experience with [ds] and Vercetti's description is most accurate.
Strange indeed, but I wonder if [TA] would even want to remain in UGL after such shenanigans?