<!--QuoteBegin-eggmac+Feb 10 2004, 12:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eggmac @ Feb 10 2004, 12:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cwag, that quote wasn't originated by Stalin <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I know, but he DID say it, so I'm using it, and he made it famous, sadly.
I'm in my university's computer lab, so I don't have sound, so don't take this all wrongly if there's, bad ideas in the sound (it was subtitled though, so I think that was the words).
Sure it's not funny, but it's not racist or anything either. It's meant to be satirical, not recreational. It's also not generealizing all middle easterners either. So...I have no idea why everyone in this forum suddenly got all 'kill the people who put out a thought' conservative over here.
If you take stuff in that flash as racism, I think you're looking one dimensionally.
(Then again, I might have missed the "kill all the middle easterners if you're american" line in there....I don't have sound here)
<!--QuoteBegin-BizZy | 9mm Messiah+Feb 10 2004, 08:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Feb 10 2004, 08:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Keyser59+Feb 10 2004, 08:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Keyser59 @ Feb 10 2004, 08:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Feb 10 2004, 08:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Feb 10 2004, 08:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why does the average American hate Middle Eastern people?
Not amusing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Guess you missed that whole World Trade Center thing. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, you dont hate a whole entire race because of a select few. What the hell is wrong with you? You don't see me hating white people because of slavery, or me screaming racial slurs up and down Korean NS servers because of the Korean War. Every race has its ****, don't be so stereotypical. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't talking from personal belief, I was merely commenting about how much the American population generalize middle eastern ethnicity since 9/11. Even you and I do it.
What is the first thing that pops into the "average American" head when they see an Islamic man at an airport?
Because of the actions of a select few we now have sweeping generalizations of the entire race, which is also true for any ethnicity. Don't get so defensive.... it's not racism. Although when we base humour upon such generalizations it begins to cross the line into racism.
ok im REALLY offended by it. board masters please shut this post down.... i WILL shut that web site down also.... and yeah i dont think anyone read the ns forums administration forum page....
it says dont post offensive material... people really pay attention to them... so if someone could please close this post, it would be a very good idea. actually delete it.
I have to admit it was not that good and I diden't laugh but I don't whine becuase of it. This flash is not offensive. Stop making a chicken out of a feather.
stop makin a mockery out of muslims, im a muslim you retarted *** nuts... and i only said to take this down before some other muslim guy might sue this and the other web site for incompitent material!
<!--QuoteBegin-BlackPlague+Feb 10 2004, 02:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlackPlague @ Feb 10 2004, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> stop makin a mockery out of muslims, im a muslim you retarted *** nuts... and i only said to take this down before some other muslim guy might sue this and the other web site for incompitent material! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So? The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What do either of these have to do with anything?
On a censory note: banning by the easily offended is a terrible policy (which is why I don't think the forum rule applies to this link). If censoring were linked to someone who was least offended, I could be offended by ANYTHING, and therefore it should be removed from society. It is an invalid argument and holds no support....I'm offended by the color blue...blue shouldn't exist anymore (see how retarded that is?).
If you're strongly offended by something: voice your concern, say why it's offensive. Trying to get things banned because you don't like them just shows an aptitude towards narrow-mindedness.
So...you're offended because it is a satire about how all muslims are generalized as terrorists? Despite the fact it's supposed to be Saddam Hussein singing? despite it's generalizing about his attacks on Kuwait, and his capture, and other various acts by him? The only remotely transgressional phrase would be "You can't get us all." Which doesn't even necessarily refer to muslims. It could be dictators, Iraqis, terrorists, guys with beards, etc.
[edit] important puntuation <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> [edit]
If you can't tell it's a satire (which is fairly obvious, even if it isn't funny....Gullivers Travels is a satire and it's not funny, Dennis Miller is a satirist and plenty of people don't find him funny), then you should research some basic satire and try to understand it (Orson Wells has some, afforementioned Dennis Miller, plenty of editorial columns in newspapers, tons of books are satire...just take your pick (even movies can be satirical)).
Hopefully we've learned not to hold our own morals to other people, and respect the right that sometimes we're more easily offended than others. That doesn't mean we should get the right to censor others.
(No, this doesn't mean some people wont take some things the wrong way- or twist words into their favor- but that is impossible to avoid. Many people will take only the facts from a story that support their side, that doesn't mean you censor their side...you try to find more facts for yourself.)
I highly doubt anyone on this board is so simple-minded that they would generalize every single Muslim and Middle-Easterner as a terrorist (or even 1%). Just through simple reasoning, we can find that there's at least 10 million people in the Middle East, if they were ALL terrorists they could easily do whatever they wanted. Obviously, they're not (and if you think people do think they are, than you're not giving people credit, and holding yourself to be more intelligent than the opposing side).
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
anyone who thinks this video is a strike against muslims is overanalyzing entirely.
<b>anyone who thinks this video is a strike against muslims is overanalyzing entirely.</b>
the average <b>intelligent</b> american does not hate all middle easterners. i expect that most intelligent middle easterners do not also hate ALL americans.
...when I see an islamic man at the airport? Well, aside from me being to poor to fly anywhere, if I saw an islamic man, I'd wonder the same thing as anyone else:
I wonder where that guy's [girl's] going today.
Some people actually have interesting jobs, places to see, places to visit, stories [it's funny because I misspelled it sorties at first...heh] to tell. Sometimes you wanna get into people's heads and scoop out the oooooh so delicious knowledge...
Then you have the people that make you dumberer just looking at them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
Only stereotypical middle-class Americans would be like, "Oh, God, I hope he doesn't get on MY plane!"...because that's retarded (through shear retardedness, unlikeliness and probability).
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Feb 10 2004, 01:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Feb 10 2004, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sure it's not funny, but it's not racist or anything either. It's meant to be satirical, not recreational. It's also not generealizing all middle easterners either. So...I have no idea why everyone in this forum suddenly got all 'kill the people who put out a thought' conservative over here. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> See, people on this forum like to be mature over the internet. They think being offended at simple humor and making a big deal of crap like that makes them a better person for not laughing at stereotypical jokes. If you laugh at stereotypical jokes and don't start a whole mess about it, you are an inferior person.
There's a difference between outright racism and poking fun at life's little foibles.
By the way, I didn't even watch/listen to whatever it was, I just figured I'd comment.
X_StickmanNot good enough for a custom title.Join Date: 2003-04-15Member: 15533Members, Constellation
I thought it was funny. Except they totally screwed up that "hide it, hide it, hide it" bit because it:
A) wasn't in time with the music and B) Wasn't even trying to sound like the original.
And generalising is a priviledge that everyone has. It's just that you're not allowed to voice some of your "offensive" generalisations because someone might get upset, which is **** to be honest.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
rofl bizzy.. if you think about it, the only reason the chorus is "hey allah" is because it sorta rhymes with "hey ya". there aren't many words saddam-related that rhyme with "hey ya".. and although allah isn't entirely related to saddam, it's from the middle east, and is a pseudo-rhyme.. lol
BizZy_9mm_MessiahOld School MemberJoin Date: 2003-07-25Member: 18411Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Feb 10 2004, 04:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Feb 10 2004, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> rofl bizzy.. if you think about it, the only reason the chorus is "hey allah" is because it sorta rhymes with "hey ya". there aren't many words saddam-related that rhyme with "hey ya".. and although allah isn't entirely related to saddam, it's from the middle east, and is a pseudo-rhyme.. lol <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yea I was just now thinking about that in the bathroom while brushing my teeth.
If you were offended by this, well, I think you seriously need to re-evaluate your missing sense of humor. I'm closing this only because nothing particularly useful is being said, and I don't want to read any more posts that make me want to trip whiney teenangsters into the mud. I am sooooooo glad to see my future is so well in hand with the next generation of ultra-PC ultra-serious stick-up-the-bung spineless jellyfish.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel. -- Horace Walpole<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I know, but he DID say it, so I'm using it, and he made it famous, sadly.
Sure it's not funny, but it's not racist or anything either. It's meant to be satirical, not recreational. It's also not generealizing all middle easterners either. So...I have no idea why everyone in this forum suddenly got all 'kill the people who put out a thought' conservative over here.
If you take stuff in that flash as racism, I think you're looking one dimensionally.
(Then again, I might have missed the "kill all the middle easterners if you're american" line in there....I don't have sound here)
Not amusing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Guess you missed that whole World Trade Center thing. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, you dont hate a whole entire race because of a select few. What the hell is wrong with you? You don't see me hating white people because of slavery, or me screaming racial slurs up and down Korean NS servers because of the Korean War. Every race has its ****, don't be so stereotypical. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't talking from personal belief, I was merely commenting about how much the American population generalize middle eastern ethnicity since 9/11. Even you and I do it.
What is the first thing that pops into the "average American" head when they see an Islamic man at an airport?
Because of the actions of a select few we now have sweeping generalizations of the entire race, which is also true for any ethnicity. Don't get so defensive.... it's not racism. Although when we base humour upon such generalizations it begins to cross the line into racism.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums</a>
it says dont post offensive material... people really pay attention to them... so if someone could please close this post, it would be a very good idea. actually delete it.
I have to admit it was not that good and I diden't laugh but I don't whine becuase of it. This flash is not offensive. Stop making a chicken out of a feather.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So? The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What do either of these have to do with anything?
On a censory note: banning by the easily offended is a terrible policy (which is why I don't think the forum rule applies to this link). If censoring were linked to someone who was least offended, I could be offended by ANYTHING, and therefore it should be removed from society. It is an invalid argument and holds no support....I'm offended by the color blue...blue shouldn't exist anymore (see how retarded that is?).
If you're strongly offended by something: voice your concern, say why it's offensive. Trying to get things banned because you don't like them just shows an aptitude towards narrow-mindedness.
So...you're offended because it is a satire about how all muslims are generalized as terrorists? Despite the fact it's supposed to be Saddam Hussein singing? despite it's generalizing about his attacks on Kuwait, and his capture, and other various acts by him? The only remotely transgressional phrase would be "You can't get us all." Which doesn't even necessarily refer to muslims. It could be dictators, Iraqis, terrorists, guys with beards, etc.
[edit] important puntuation <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> [edit]
If you can't tell it's a satire (which is fairly obvious, even if it isn't funny....Gullivers Travels is a satire and it's not funny, Dennis Miller is a satirist and plenty of people don't find him funny), then you should research some basic satire and try to understand it (Orson Wells has some, afforementioned Dennis Miller, plenty of editorial columns in newspapers, tons of books are satire...just take your pick (even movies can be satirical)).
Hopefully we've learned not to hold our own morals to other people, and respect the right that sometimes we're more easily offended than others. That doesn't mean we should get the right to censor others.
(No, this doesn't mean some people wont take some things the wrong way- or twist words into their favor- but that is impossible to avoid. Many people will take only the facts from a story that support their side, that doesn't mean you censor their side...you try to find more facts for yourself.)
I highly doubt anyone on this board is so simple-minded that they would generalize every single Muslim and Middle-Easterner as a terrorist (or even 1%). Just through simple reasoning, we can find that there's at least 10 million people in the Middle East, if they were ALL terrorists they could easily do whatever they wanted. Obviously, they're not (and if you think people do think they are, than you're not giving people credit, and holding yourself to be more intelligent than the opposing side).
<b>anyone who thinks this video is a strike against muslims is overanalyzing entirely.</b>
the average <b>intelligent</b> american does not hate all middle easterners. i expect that most intelligent middle easterners do not also hate ALL americans.
i thought everyone knew that.
I wonder where that guy's [girl's] going today.
Some people actually have interesting jobs, places to see, places to visit, stories [it's funny because I misspelled it sorties at first...heh] to tell. Sometimes you wanna get into people's heads and scoop out the oooooh so delicious knowledge...
Then you have the people that make you dumberer just looking at them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
Only stereotypical middle-class Americans would be like, "Oh, God, I hope he doesn't get on MY plane!"...because that's retarded (through shear retardedness, unlikeliness and probability).
Its meant to be a joke. I dont see how people get so easilly offended. I thought it was kinda funny.
See, people on this forum like to be mature over the internet. They think being offended at simple humor and making a big deal of crap like that makes them a better person for not laughing at stereotypical jokes. If you laugh at stereotypical jokes and don't start a whole mess about it, you are an inferior person.
There's a difference between outright racism and poking fun at life's little foibles.
By the way, I didn't even watch/listen to whatever it was, I just figured I'd comment.
<b>Edit:</b> Spelling
A) wasn't in time with the music and
B) Wasn't even trying to sound like the original.
And generalising is a priviledge that everyone has. It's just that you're not allowed to voice some of your "offensive" generalisations because someone might get upset, which is **** to be honest.
Yea I was just now thinking about that in the bathroom while brushing my teeth.
I swear to god....
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
-- Horace Walpole<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->