<!--QuoteBegin--=[Drake]=-+Feb 22 2004, 11:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-=[Drake]=- @ Feb 22 2004, 11:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> necron as in WH 40k <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeppy look at my avatar i just love the art work for them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Feb 22 2004, 10:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 22 2004, 10:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I am now working on: Morphz Cyani's friends DiHards <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Can you make sure you only capitalize the D though? Thanks!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yeppy look at my avatar i just love the art work for them<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i can do that
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Feb 20 2004, 01:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 20 2004, 01:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I see that same effect in everyones sigs, seems to my like its just a one click effect in a Photoshop program and NOT made by the person themselves. Im kinda dissapointed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> To be perfectly honest, i feel you need to steer clear of filters and blending modes virtually all together.
How many filters, on average, does each of these sigs use?
I have a few words of advice for you.
Firstly, please look up totorials on photoshop techniques, even basic ones, a lot of your images are heavily pixellated, badly compressed, and generally poorly put together. They look like 2 second hack and paste jobs on the whole.
Secondly, you really need to learn about colour coordination. The "Chaos League" sigs illustrate this perfectly. It's not so much how many colours you can cram into an image, but how you use them. I've seen images that are absolutely amazing, and using a 16 colour palette, then again, i've seen images with 32 bit colour and the most hideous use of colour.
Thirdly, filters. Filters do not make an image. Good use of font, colour and placement can make or break a sig. Just because you have a canvas to work with, doesn't mean every space must be filled with a different filter.
Forthly, text. Half the fonts, and filters used upon them, are unreadable, either because of the poor use of fonts or deformation, or because of the ridiculous amounts of cliche'd filters smeared all over them.
EDIT* Fifth, source images. If you're going to incorporate images from different sources, please make sure you blend them so they don't look so hacked together. If you find photoshop has given it a nasty edge, scale it down slightly and it will blend the edges nicely, then get to work manually blending and making it fit in. Too many of your images look very badly cut apart and put together. *EDIT
What you're doing is great, since you're putting your own time out for other people, and if they're happy with what you do, fine, who am i to say otherwise. But from an artist / designer point of view, you have a lot to learn in the ways of Photoshop, and if you do wish to better your techniques, i'd seek out help or tutorials as soon as possible.
1. Im doing these on my own will and doing them for free so please dont bring all the complaining my way when your lucky to be getting anything at all from me.
2. I dont give a damn about your perfect compression as long as it isnt noticed to much and isnt wasting forum memory, the compression i have used is very clear and filesize is very reasonable.
3. Yes sometimes i put pictures in there and blend them and use effects to brighten them up like for example the one i did for Big Jim, but what I do is my own damn choice thank you very much and how i create them is totally done by me and me alone. If you do not like them make your own, im trying to do people a favor here. What im doing is a Free Sig banner and your complaining?
4. Poor fonts, fire fonts i dont care, if you cant read them esuna then go rethink your english skills, if you cant read them then thats just how it is, i am not a magic man who is as perfect as you want everyone to be for yourself.
5. Im using Photo Express which is one of the poorest and cheapest photo editing software packages out there and has very little effects and abilities and the tools you do have to play with are very glitchy and fidgety. So if you dont mind i would like to improve by doing these, not by having pensil pushers tell me its not good enough for them when they sit and do nothing about it.
^_^ Is everything fine with you yet? no? I dont really care. Thx for reading, that is, IF you did.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What you're doing is great, since you're putting your own time out for other people, and if they're happy with what you do, fine, who am i to say otherwise.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Allow me to reiterate that point for you Kenichi, since you obviously missed it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1. Im doing these on my own will and doing them for free so please dont bring all the complaining my way when your lucky to be getting anything at all from me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, good for you, that's what the community needs, more people offering to help out using their free time, but the point you entirely missed, i am not complaining, i am criticising. Critique is not a stranger to this forum, nor should it be to any work of digital art. Critique is something you must learn to live with, if you can't stand someone having a differing opinion, or you don't want to see your work criticised, then i feel the internet isn't the right place for you. I've said this in countless threads, countless times and to countless people, criticism is one of the best tools to help your grow and progress yours skills. If you're appeased, you'll never develop since you feel what you're doing at present is good enough. If you're criticised, you realise there is room for improvement, and you strive to improve.
I bothered to type all that i have typed because i wanted to give some sort of helpful critique, not because i wanted to slander you.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->2. I dont give a damn about your perfect compression as long as it isnt noticed to much and isnt wasting forum memory, the compression i have used is very clear and filesize is very reasonable.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The thing is, the poor compression <b>is</b> noticeable. Many of your images suffer from poor image quality, or worse, purely because of compression settings you've used. While you may not see it, it's as clear as day to me, as i'm sure it is to a number of other people. You have a whole 22kb to work with, while that may not seem much, that's perfectly enough to have a fair sized image at a very reasonable quality with next to no image degradation.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->3. Yes sometimes i put pictures in there and blend them and use effects to brighten them up like for example the one i did for Big Jim, but what I do is my own damn choice thank you very much and how i create them is totally done by me and me alone. If you do not like them make your own, im trying to do people a favor here. What im doing is a Free Sig banner and your complaining?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not that you're including images into your pieces, but the fact you're using low quality images and not spending 2 seconds making sure that it fits in properly. Many of your images are just completely and utterly random, don't follow a common pallette and are placed, seemingly at random. Once again allow me to say again <b>i am not complaining, merely offering advice</b>. I am not here to whine at you, or put you down, i'm here offering advice or help, no need to act like a jerk toward me as such hostility is entirely unnecessary, and wholly, well, rude.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->4. Poor fonts, fire fonts i dont care, if you cant read them esuna then go rethink your english skills, if you cant read them then thats just how it is, i am not a magic man who is as perfect as you want everyone to be for yourself.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Guess what one of the main things you learn when you're being trained as a graphic designer is.... typography. Typography is the choice, use, format and placement of fonts. It is an entire profession in itself. I can read english perfectly fine, considering i am english, but the fonts you have chosen to use are <i>a bad choice</i>. I'm not talking about every single font, but a good number of them, combined with the ridiculous filters you liberally give them, combined with deformation, makes for hard reading. Ontop of that, the colours you've used in several also make it hard to read.
I do have a question. Do you actually care that you're evidently not bothered about the images you create? Do you care that you're obviously not putting any effort into creating them? These questions did not come from the images, put purely your answers and attitude, for someone that's offering to do something kind like creating images for other people, you certainly do have a bad side to you as well.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->5. Im using Photo Express which is one of the poorest and cheapest photo editing software packages out there and has very little effects and abilities and the tools you do have to play with are very glitchy and fidgety. So if you dont mind i would like to improve by doing these, not by having pensil pushers tell me its not good enough for them when they sit and do nothing about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well sorry, i didn't know you were using something other than Photoshop, considering a great amount of effects and filters you've used are pretty standard filters, and are cliched in any image package you buy. Feel free, yes, improve, that's what i'm trying to say, you need to improve, go do it. The thing is, a lot of things you need to improve upon are things that are <b>not</b> related to the photo package you use. Fonts, colours, images, amount of filters, compression... all of these you can set and define yourself, and these are the things. I'm sure Photo Express doesn't <i>make</i> you use 1001 bad cliche filters per image, and i'm sure it doesn't <i>force</i> you to compress your images poorly, these are things you must learn, not the piece of software you're using.
By the way, since when was a graphic / web designer otherwise known as a "pensil [sic] pusher"? I work nearly exclusively on PC / Mac, in Photoshop and Illustrator.
Now, for my final point.... I am not here complaining. I am here to criticise your work, and at present your lousy attitude, criticism is helpful, i am not flaming you, please try and accept the fact that there will <b>always be critics</b>, you can either get annoyed with them and not grow, or you can at least give them the time of day to make sure if what they're saying is actually true or making sense. Currently you seem to be taking the former option.
1. Couldnt be bothered reading all that boring meterial. 2. You all talk and sound you the same you criticisers these days so im not going to be bothered argueing with you 3. I wont lower myself to that
*ignores esuna* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I made the effort to make a long winded and detailed reply, at least have the damned decency to read it. I'll say it yet again, for someone offering to do something so kind for the community, you really have a crap attitude.
EDIT* Funny how you edited your post after i quoted it. Sure, hide what you're really like.....
1. Thx for helping esuna, i know what you mean now (err, ya) 2. Dam criticisers these days sound the same dont they?
Nyway, sir Mr.Juberto. I cant do those lightning effects, they were done by Drake. But i can get something very similar, ill get on it asap. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> thx man <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Feb 23 2004, 10:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 10:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thank you Criticiser, any other insult you wish to add? (blah blah) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have to agree with Esuna. For doing something nice for the community you sure are being a jerk about some helpfull critisism(sp?)
Criticize. 1 : to consider the merits and demerits of and judge accordingly : EVALUATE 2 : to find fault with : point out the faults of
Esuna is looking at your work and using his experience to point out areas where you could improve to make yourself a better artist. I'm not sure why you're being such a jerk about some helpfull critisism. Chill out.
Doesnt anyone else find Critisism so insulting having anti-social people call you crap at something without knowing you or even seeing what your truly capable of?
I find Critisism very insulting and if some ppl dont, plz shoot urself ^^ *zee end*
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Feb 23 2004, 04:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 04:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesnt anyone else find Critisism so insulting having anti-social people call you crap at something without knowing you or even seeing what your truly capable of?
I find Critisism very insulting and if some ppl dont, plz shoot urself ^^ *zee end* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> We can drop this topic then but I just wanted to post one more time.
You have a huge attitude problem. This is a public forum. When you post your work online you should expect some people to coment on your work and give you a bit of critisism. Your being a baby about it and I think it's fairly immature of you to be calling Esuna, anti-social. He took the time to write a long, thoughtout post to show you some things he saw in your work to help you make it better. If you find critisism so insulting maybe you need to log out of the ns forums and go back to a fairy tale world where everybody praises you.
<!--QuoteBegin-KungFuDiscoMonkey+Feb 23 2004, 09:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuDiscoMonkey @ Feb 23 2004, 09:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Feb 23 2004, 04:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 04:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesnt anyone else find Critisism so insulting having anti-social people call you crap at something without knowing you or even seeing what your truly capable of?
I find Critisism very insulting and if some ppl dont, plz shoot urself ^^ *zee end* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We can drop this topic then but I just wanted to post one more time.
You have a huge attitude problem. This is a public forum. When you post your work online you should expect some people to coment on your work and give you a bit of critisism. Your being a baby about it and I think it's fairly immature of you to be calling Esuna, anti-social. He took the time to write a long, thoughtout post to show you some things he saw in your work to help you make it better. If you find critisism so insulting maybe you need to log out of the ns forums and go back to a fairy tale world where everybody praises you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree.
Sometimes i get a bit annoyed when people just go "OMG THATS SO ****!!!" but i don't mind constructive C&C which Esuna gives alot to help people improve their work.
Do one for me please Drake! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Err excuse me but this TOPIC is not done with, i meant the arguement. I dont care what you think, heres Mr.Juberto's:
I wasnt 100% sure what Necron was but im sure its good, ill look into it actually ^.^
And <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your being a baby about it and I think it's fairly immature of you to be calling Esuna, anti-social.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Keep the insults coming -_-. Now im a baby am i? Now im immature? Your doing the offensive name calling and anti-social, i was talking about other criticisers, does it say ESUNA anywhere???
Please stop this arguement, im not hear to moan i just want to do banners, its not TOO much to ask is it? If you mind i now have much much work to do.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Feb 23 2004, 09:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Your doing the offensive name calling and anti-social, i was talking about other criticisers, does it say ESUNA anywhere??? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No but it doesn't have to.
It's odviously aimed at him because he was the main person critising your work and you only started complaining (AFAIK anyway) when he started critising.
<!--QuoteBegin-Jimmeh+Feb 23 2004, 09:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jimmeh @ Feb 23 2004, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-KungFuDiscoMonkey+Feb 23 2004, 09:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuDiscoMonkey @ Feb 23 2004, 09:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Feb 23 2004, 04:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 04:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesnt anyone else find Critisism so insulting having anti-social people call you crap at something without knowing you or even seeing what your truly capable of?
I find Critisism very insulting and if some ppl dont, plz shoot urself ^^ *zee end* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We can drop this topic then but I just wanted to post one more time.
You have a huge attitude problem. This is a public forum. When you post your work online you should expect some people to coment on your work and give you a bit of critisism. Your being a baby about it and I think it's fairly immature of you to be calling Esuna, anti-social. He took the time to write a long, thoughtout post to show you some things he saw in your work to help you make it better. If you find critisism so insulting maybe you need to log out of the ns forums and go back to a fairy tale world where everybody praises you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree.
Sometimes i get a bit annoyed when people just go "OMG THATS SO ****!!!" but i don't mind constructive C&C which Esuna gives alot to help people improve their work. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This seems like an amckern map thread! Don't taking criticism personally, I'm sure art is just like mapping and coding and modding etc. you have to be criticised to perfect and create better versions of your work. Even if the phrase "Too square., needs better textures." is said to you 50 maybe even 60 times, atleast you know where your going wrong.
Excuse me but after being unsulted by his Critisising, "Poorly done ect" i get called a baby, immature, attitude problem, Also: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Firstly, please look up totorials on photoshop techniques, even basic ones, a lot of your images are heavily pixellated, badly compressed, and generally poorly put together. They look like 2 second hack and paste jobs on the whole. Half the fonts, and filters used upon them, are unreadable, either because of the poor use of fonts or deformation. Too many of your images look very badly cut apart and put together.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And do you think this is going to make anyone feel better? No, now i feel horrible and very upset. Why cant you leave me alone and just simply not reply?
I suppose the next reply is going to be another few insults at me or related to this arguement. Just stop...your not helping anyone by carrying on.
Let me do "MY" sigs for ppl who want them. Lemme be.
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Morphz
Cyani's friends
DiHards
i you would then could it have the lightningy stuff like on yours but with a pic of a necron on it plz.
yeppy look at my avatar i just love the art work for them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Morphz
Cyani's friends
DiHards <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Can you make sure you only capitalize the D though? Thanks!
i can do that
To be perfectly honest, i feel you need to steer clear of filters and blending modes virtually all together.
How many filters, on average, does each of these sigs use?
I have a few words of advice for you.
Firstly, please look up totorials on photoshop techniques, even basic ones, a lot of your images are heavily pixellated, badly compressed, and generally poorly put together. They look like 2 second hack and paste jobs on the whole.
Secondly, you really need to learn about colour coordination. The "Chaos League" sigs illustrate this perfectly. It's not so much how many colours you can cram into an image, but how you use them. I've seen images that are absolutely amazing, and using a 16 colour palette, then again, i've seen images with 32 bit colour and the most hideous use of colour.
Thirdly, filters. Filters do not make an image. Good use of font, colour and placement can make or break a sig. Just because you have a canvas to work with, doesn't mean every space must be filled with a different filter.
Forthly, text. Half the fonts, and filters used upon them, are unreadable, either because of the poor use of fonts or deformation, or because of the ridiculous amounts of cliche'd filters smeared all over them.
EDIT* Fifth, source images. If you're going to incorporate images from different sources, please make sure you blend them so they don't look so hacked together. If you find photoshop has given it a nasty edge, scale it down slightly and it will blend the edges nicely, then get to work manually blending and making it fit in. Too many of your images look very badly cut apart and put together. *EDIT
What you're doing is great, since you're putting your own time out for other people, and if they're happy with what you do, fine, who am i to say otherwise. But from an artist / designer point of view, you have a lot to learn in the ways of Photoshop, and if you do wish to better your techniques, i'd seek out help or tutorials as soon as possible.
1. Im doing these on my own will and doing them for free so please dont bring all the complaining my way when your lucky to be getting anything at all from me.
2. I dont give a damn about your perfect compression as long as it isnt noticed to much and isnt wasting forum memory, the compression i have used is very clear and filesize is very reasonable.
3. Yes sometimes i put pictures in there and blend them and use effects to brighten them up like for example the one i did for Big Jim, but what I do is my own damn choice thank you very much and how i create them is totally done by me and me alone. If you do not like them make your own, im trying to do people a favor here. What im doing is a Free Sig banner and your complaining?
4. Poor fonts, fire fonts i dont care, if you cant read them esuna then go rethink your english skills, if you cant read them then thats just how it is, i am not a magic man who is as perfect as you want everyone to be for yourself.
5. Im using Photo Express which is one of the poorest and cheapest photo editing software packages out there and has very little effects and abilities and the tools you do have to play with are very glitchy and fidgety. So if you dont mind i would like to improve by doing these, not by having pensil pushers tell me its not good enough for them when they sit and do nothing about it.
^_^ Is everything fine with you yet? no? I dont really care.
Thx for reading, that is, IF you did.
I will continue with the next sigs...
Allow me to reiterate that point for you Kenichi, since you obviously missed it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1. Im doing these on my own will and doing them for free so please dont bring all the complaining my way when your lucky to be getting anything at all from me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, good for you, that's what the community needs, more people offering to help out using their free time, but the point you entirely missed, i am not complaining, i am criticising. Critique is not a stranger to this forum, nor should it be to any work of digital art. Critique is something you must learn to live with, if you can't stand someone having a differing opinion, or you don't want to see your work criticised, then i feel the internet isn't the right place for you. I've said this in countless threads, countless times and to countless people, criticism is one of the best tools to help your grow and progress yours skills. If you're appeased, you'll never develop since you feel what you're doing at present is good enough. If you're criticised, you realise there is room for improvement, and you strive to improve.
I bothered to type all that i have typed because i wanted to give some sort of helpful critique, not because i wanted to slander you.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->2. I dont give a damn about your perfect compression as long as it isnt noticed to much and isnt wasting forum memory, the compression i have used is very clear and filesize is very reasonable.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The thing is, the poor compression <b>is</b> noticeable. Many of your images suffer from poor image quality, or worse, purely because of compression settings you've used. While you may not see it, it's as clear as day to me, as i'm sure it is to a number of other people. You have a whole 22kb to work with, while that may not seem much, that's perfectly enough to have a fair sized image at a very reasonable quality with next to no image degradation.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->3. Yes sometimes i put pictures in there and blend them and use effects to brighten them up like for example the one i did for Big Jim, but what I do is my own damn choice thank you very much and how i create them is totally done by me and me alone. If you do not like them make your own, im trying to do people a favor here. What im doing is a Free Sig banner and your complaining?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's not that you're including images into your pieces, but the fact you're using low quality images and not spending 2 seconds making sure that it fits in properly. Many of your images are just completely and utterly random, don't follow a common pallette and are placed, seemingly at random. Once again allow me to say again <b>i am not complaining, merely offering advice</b>. I am not here to whine at you, or put you down, i'm here offering advice or help, no need to act like a jerk toward me as such hostility is entirely unnecessary, and wholly, well, rude.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->4. Poor fonts, fire fonts i dont care, if you cant read them esuna then go rethink your english skills, if you cant read them then thats just how it is, i am not a magic man who is as perfect as you want everyone to be for yourself.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Guess what one of the main things you learn when you're being trained as a graphic designer is.... typography. Typography is the choice, use, format and placement of fonts. It is an entire profession in itself. I can read english perfectly fine, considering i am english, but the fonts you have chosen to use are <i>a bad choice</i>. I'm not talking about every single font, but a good number of them, combined with the ridiculous filters you liberally give them, combined with deformation, makes for hard reading. Ontop of that, the colours you've used in several also make it hard to read.
I do have a question. Do you actually care that you're evidently not bothered about the images you create? Do you care that you're obviously not putting any effort into creating them? These questions did not come from the images, put purely your answers and attitude, for someone that's offering to do something kind like creating images for other people, you certainly do have a bad side to you as well.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Feb 23 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->5. Im using Photo Express which is one of the poorest and cheapest photo editing software packages out there and has very little effects and abilities and the tools you do have to play with are very glitchy and fidgety. So if you dont mind i would like to improve by doing these, not by having pensil pushers tell me its not good enough for them when they sit and do nothing about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well sorry, i didn't know you were using something other than Photoshop, considering a great amount of effects and filters you've used are pretty standard filters, and are cliched in any image package you buy. Feel free, yes, improve, that's what i'm trying to say, you need to improve, go do it. The thing is, a lot of things you need to improve upon are things that are <b>not</b> related to the photo package you use. Fonts, colours, images, amount of filters, compression... all of these you can set and define yourself, and these are the things. I'm sure Photo Express doesn't <i>make</i> you use 1001 bad cliche filters per image, and i'm sure it doesn't <i>force</i> you to compress your images poorly, these are things you must learn, not the piece of software you're using.
By the way, since when was a graphic / web designer otherwise known as a "pensil [sic] pusher"? I work nearly exclusively on PC / Mac, in Photoshop and Illustrator.
Now, for my final point.... I am not here complaining. I am here to criticise your work, and at present your lousy attitude, criticism is helpful, i am not flaming you, please try and accept the fact that there will <b>always be critics</b>, you can either get annoyed with them and not grow, or you can at least give them the time of day to make sure if what they're saying is actually true or making sense. Currently you seem to be taking the former option.
1. Thx for helping esuna, i know what you mean now (err, ya)
2. Dam criticisers these days sound the same dont they?
Nyway, sir Mr.Juberto. I cant do those lightning effects, they were done by Drake. But i can get something very similar, ill get on it asap.
1. Couldnt be bothered reading all that boring meterial.
2. You all talk and sound you the same you criticisers these days so im not going to be bothered argueing with you
3. I wont lower myself to that
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I made the effort to make a long winded and detailed reply, at least have the damned decency to read it. I'll say it yet again, for someone offering to do something so kind for the community, you really have a crap attitude.
EDIT* Funny how you edited your post after i quoted it. Sure, hide what you're really like.....
1. Thx for helping esuna, i know what you mean now (err, ya)
2. Dam criticisers these days sound the same dont they?
Nyway, sir Mr.Juberto. I cant do those lightning effects, they were done by Drake. But i can get something very similar, ill get on it asap. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
thx man <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I have to agree with Esuna. For doing something nice for the community you sure are being a jerk about some helpfull critisism(sp?)
Criticize.
1 : to consider the merits and demerits of and judge accordingly : EVALUATE
2 : to find fault with : point out the faults of
Esuna is looking at your work and using his experience to point out areas where you could improve to make yourself a better artist. I'm not sure why you're being such a jerk about some helpfull critisism. Chill out.
the more kenichi makes the better he gets the better his work gets....
tuts speed that process up...end of story imo
now keep em comeing.
I find Critisism very insulting and if some ppl dont, plz shoot urself ^^
*zee end*
I find Critisism very insulting and if some ppl dont, plz shoot urself ^^
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We can drop this topic then but I just wanted to post one more time.
You have a huge attitude problem. This is a public forum. When you post your work online you should expect some people to coment on your work and give you a bit of critisism. Your being a baby about it and I think it's fairly immature of you to be calling Esuna, anti-social. He took the time to write a long, thoughtout post to show you some things he saw in your work to help you make it better. If you find critisism so insulting maybe you need to log out of the ns forums and go back to a fairy tale world where everybody praises you.
I find Critisism very insulting and if some ppl dont, plz shoot urself ^^
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We can drop this topic then but I just wanted to post one more time.
You have a huge attitude problem. This is a public forum. When you post your work online you should expect some people to coment on your work and give you a bit of critisism. Your being a baby about it and I think it's fairly immature of you to be calling Esuna, anti-social. He took the time to write a long, thoughtout post to show you some things he saw in your work to help you make it better. If you find critisism so insulting maybe you need to log out of the ns forums and go back to a fairy tale world where everybody praises you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree.
Sometimes i get a bit annoyed when people just go "OMG THATS SO ****!!!" but i don't mind constructive C&C which Esuna gives alot to help people improve their work.
I wasnt 100% sure what Necron was but im sure its good, ill look into it actually ^.^
And
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your being a baby about it and I think it's fairly immature of you to be calling Esuna, anti-social.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Keep the insults coming -_-. Now im a baby am i? Now im immature?
Your doing the offensive name calling and anti-social, i was talking about other criticisers, does it say ESUNA anywhere???
Please stop this arguement, im not hear to moan i just want to do banners, its not TOO much to ask is it? If you mind i now have much much work to do.
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*<i>MrJeburto Sig Attachment Updated</i>*
No but it doesn't have to.
It's odviously aimed at him because he was the main person critising your work and you only started complaining (AFAIK anyway) when he started critising.
I find Critisism very insulting and if some ppl dont, plz shoot urself ^^
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We can drop this topic then but I just wanted to post one more time.
You have a huge attitude problem. This is a public forum. When you post your work online you should expect some people to coment on your work and give you a bit of critisism. Your being a baby about it and I think it's fairly immature of you to be calling Esuna, anti-social. He took the time to write a long, thoughtout post to show you some things he saw in your work to help you make it better. If you find critisism so insulting maybe you need to log out of the ns forums and go back to a fairy tale world where everybody praises you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree.
Sometimes i get a bit annoyed when people just go "OMG THATS SO ****!!!" but i don't mind constructive C&C which Esuna gives alot to help people improve their work. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This seems like an amckern map thread!
Don't taking criticism personally, I'm sure art is just like mapping and coding and modding etc. you have to be criticised to perfect and create better versions of your work. Even if the phrase "Too square., needs better textures." is said to you 50 maybe even 60 times, atleast you know where your going wrong.
Also:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Firstly, please look up totorials on photoshop techniques, even basic ones, a lot of your images are heavily pixellated, badly compressed, and generally poorly put together. They look like 2 second hack and paste jobs on the whole.
Half the fonts, and filters used upon them, are unreadable, either because of the poor use of fonts or deformation.
Too many of your images look very badly cut apart and put together.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And do you think this is going to make anyone feel better? No, now i feel horrible and very upset. Why cant you leave me alone and just simply not reply?
I suppose the next reply is going to be another few insults at me or related to this arguement. Just stop...your not helping anyone by carrying on.
Let me do "MY" sigs for ppl who want them.
Lemme be.