Georgia Doesn't Want "evolution"
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<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/01/30/striking.evolution.ap/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/01/30/st...n.ap/index.html</a>
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Anyone with true common sense would recognize this as a pandering ploy.
"If you're teaching the concept without the word, what's the point?" said Rep. Bobby Franklin, a Republican. "It's stupid. It's like teaching gravity without using the word gravity."
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^^
Granted, evolution is a debatable theory. But hasn't education always been about educating students (not making them more braindead). If they have to change something, just make it a clear statement to the students that evolution is highly debatable and may or may not be true. IS THAT SO HARD?!
There's a reason why we're behind Puerto Rico in education.
Disclaimer: I cannot recall if creationism was actually taught in the schools though. The stickers came about because of a push for creationism to be taught if I remember the facts correctly.
Why?
Because proving Creationism involves meeting the Creator(s) (could we be the creators?! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) but evolution can be proven by watching a species over a large enough amount of time and thus watch them change.
There. That's all im going to say.
At least they aren't being completely daft and trying to impose teaching theology in the science classroom. I have a feeling that could come next however.
-Issac Asimov
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Very Appropriate quote in my opinion...
haha! good luck.
:x. jk, I know somebody from georgia.
anyway, though, this is a stupid idea. stupid stupid stupid. I mean it's one thing to oppose the teaching of evolution, but ... this? WTH? don't some people bash ultraliberals who demand changing "handicapped" to "differently abled" ?? where's the outrage??
Why?
Because proving Creationism involves meeting the Creator(s) (could we be the creators?! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) but evolution can be proven by watching a species over a large enough amount of time and thus watch them change.
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They already have evidence of this!
Creationists like to call it "survival of the fittest" and nothing more.
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*cough* spherical *cough*
*cough*ellipsoid*cough*
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Believe me, you don't want to be any of these things.
The same people wanting to change the word are probably the ones going on and on about how Darwin was wrong and how we're God's creation. Someone needs to inform them that religion is NOT suppose to be in ANY school district. If that means using Darwin to explain our creation then so be it.
If I ever have to move to Georgia I'll be sure to say "evolution" ALOT.
We're not talking about which one is correct, we are talking about them replacing "evolution" with "gradual change over time" for no apparent reason.
It sets a precedent, if one state can do it all states can do it. Result? Stupidity spreads like the social disease it is...
The state governments in America are elected through a democratic process. Unless some federal law is being broken by this, then the people of Georgia have the right to educate themselves in any manner they see fit. The opinions of the forum regulars here have no control of what the state government in Georgia does and they shouldn't.
If one idiot in one state can make a change as stupid as this, then it opens the floodgates of stupidity.
Next thing you know, anything controversial, such as the big bang theory will be replaced by "Spontaneously combustive ideology to the begginings of time and matter" and co.
It's also a restriction on free speaking. The "N" word is quite insulting but can be used in texts for educational purposes, it still exists in archaic books as well. If someone higher up decided "That word is too controversial, it's just a buzzword" then they could easily replace it with say, "Derogatory term with reference to persons of african/american descent".
If you've read orwell, the first step to newspeak is the removal of words from the english language.
Thats triple ungood minus.
The triple good plus way of seeing this is that it is a pointless endeavour just because the whats her face of education dosent like a word and should at best be ignored.
Although the internal happenings of Georgia may not be our business it sets a precedent for others to follow and then it most certainly becomes our business when the state bans the word sex as being too controversial and replaces it with "Procreative biological interactions in the process of creating offspring".
In fact, it is my considered opinion that the word "hand" has become far too much of a buzzword these days, and I want it changed to "appendage with 5 digits".
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The issue people have is that the children of this school system do not get any choice, and get to learn only whatever they are taught. What is being described is patently unconstitutional - the 1st Amendment means that not only do you get to practice your own religion freely, you also get to NOT practice someone else's religion. Simply because creationsim is popular with Christians, and Christians make up a voting majority in Georgia, does not mean that other theories which conflict get to be downplayed. Especially when they have scientific merit and can be backed with practical experience, as opposed to interpretation of a book that was written thousands of years before true science was even invented. Shouldn't the text books also have to bring up the Hindu theories of creationism, the Buddhist ones, or the Cherokee ones where the earth was formed on the back of a giant turtle? What makes Christianity so much better?
In fact, it is my considered opinion that the word "hand" has become far too much of a buzzword these days, and I want it changed to "appendage with 5 digits".
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The proposal is stupid and meaningless, but they're not going to far as to remove "evolution" from schools, as they are changing the terminology. I don't fully understand why, but frankly, the curriculum isn't being changed to the point of violating the separation of church and state.
Why is this Creationist vs. Evolutionist stuff in here anyway.
The issue people have is that the children of this school system do not get any choice, and get to learn only whatever they are taught. What is being described is patently unconstitutional - the 1st Amendment means that not only do you get to practice your own religion freely, you also get to NOT practice someone else's religion. Simply because creationsim is popular with Christians, and Christians make up a voting majority in Georgia, does not mean that other theories which conflict get to be downplayed. Especially when they have scientific merit and can be backed with practical experience, as opposed to interpretation of a book that was written thousands of years before true science was even invented. Shouldn't the text books also have to bring up the Hindu theories of creationism, the Buddhist ones, or the Cherokee ones where the earth was formed on the back of a giant turtle? What makes Christianity so much better? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I just want to add that also, Bosnian, you're suggesting it's okay for an entire STATE to censor a certain word one person considers 'taboo'? Who needs these Bill of Rights anymore!
In fact, it is my considered opinion that the word "hand" has become far too much of a buzzword these days, and I want it changed to "appendage with 5 digits".
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The proposal is stupid and meaningless, but they're not going to far as to remove "evolution" from schools, as they are changing the terminology. I don't fully understand why, but frankly, the curriculum isn't being changed to the point of violating the separation of church and state.
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I'm not referring to all supporters of Creationism here, merely those that appear to have an aversion to the word "evolution" being mentioned in schools (i.e. those that made the descision on this). I'm not arguing against creationism, merely the people that want to restrict what children are learning in schools.
Have really things become so bad that we can't even say the word evolution in classrooms?
I mean there is this scale. On one side, you have the racists and the "colored" bathrooms and normal bathrooms. On the other side, you have affirmitive action and political correctness and "Can't use the word mailman anymore" ****.
I ask you.. Could it be that perhaps it is just as wrong being on the left side as it is being on the right? I think so. Even if I don't believe in evolution, I'd still want my kid to know about it so that my kid won't be stupified when he grows up and they ask him about what he thinks about evolution. I don't want him to be like "OHHHH! Biological changes over time! I know now!"
Bah.