Car Problems
SuperTeflon
Join Date: 2003-12-31 Member: 24893Banned
<div class="IPBDescription">Anyone give me a basic idea?</div> Well it's really really **** COLD where I live. A couple days ago, I went out to start my car, and it wouldn't start. Just dead. No biggie, I jumped it from another car and went on my way.
Now, it hasn't been *TOO* cold lately, and every time I start it it's been in afternoon... I really wouldn't need a coat-kinda-cold. Well lately I start it and it groans and just barely starts. It cranks 8 or 10 times and reluctantly starts.
Tonight I'm idling at a red light with my radio and heater on, and the radio turns off. I see on the car in front of me my headlights are slowly dying. I turn off the heater and radio to save juice and it turns green. I go, and the lights lighten up to full.
I don't know too much about cars, but is my problem most likely a sign of a battery that's dying (incapable of holding a charge) or, god forbid, is my alternator shot? I'm leaning towards alternator because it's going to cost a fortune to replace in my car, so it's the most likely problem (I'm well acquainted with Murphy's Law), but when I drive it around, it keeps the power flowing just fine.
Now, it hasn't been *TOO* cold lately, and every time I start it it's been in afternoon... I really wouldn't need a coat-kinda-cold. Well lately I start it and it groans and just barely starts. It cranks 8 or 10 times and reluctantly starts.
Tonight I'm idling at a red light with my radio and heater on, and the radio turns off. I see on the car in front of me my headlights are slowly dying. I turn off the heater and radio to save juice and it turns green. I go, and the lights lighten up to full.
I don't know too much about cars, but is my problem most likely a sign of a battery that's dying (incapable of holding a charge) or, god forbid, is my alternator shot? I'm leaning towards alternator because it's going to cost a fortune to replace in my car, so it's the most likely problem (I'm well acquainted with Murphy's Law), but when I drive it around, it keeps the power flowing just fine.
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I think it's about that... possibly a bit newer. The nasty-crap-corrosion that appears around the contacts wasn't very thick, in fact, it's pretty non-existent, so I didn't think it was too old yet. Worst part is if it's the alternator the only place I've found around here to get things fixed is the Toyota Dealership, and that's $! $! $!
Not so much 'probably' as "I'd bet you $50'. That's totally battery - either dying, overly corroded leads, or a bad ground leading to dying. A new battery is $40 and a good investment this time of year. 404 is correctamundo.
Even when idling, the alternator should produce enough power to charge the battery and run your electrics. Your electrics went while the car was running because the alternator isn't producing enough power. The battery does not power electrics while you're running.
Your battery is dead because the alternator isn't charging it. You may be able to rescue the battery after sorting the alternator by topping up the electrolyte and giving it a good, long, slow charge.
Is there some kind of test that can be done on the alternator to check its producing enough power ? Is it as simple as popping a multimeter across the terminals while the engine is running (watch the fanbelt) ?
Problem is, if you buy a new battery, the alternator won't charge that either, so it'll die quickly too. And you'll need to keep recharging it. Eventually, the new battery will give up too.
Alternators can be cheap to replace depending on your car. I'm sure you can buy them reconditioned from a parts centre or second hand from a scrappy. To replace, the job can range from 15 minutes with a spanner to a day's work that involves dropping the drive shaft out.
This is not necessarily true. I had loose, corroded battery leads after my last replacement which caused my car to lose power or shut off entirely. My alternator was just fine.
Trust me, nothing that goes in this car will ever be cheap. It's a 1989 Toyota Camry. Doesn't sound too fancy, no? Well it's one of Toyota's limited edition high-performance models they ran... if it has a reason to cost a lot of money, it will.
Make sure you clean the corrosion off the leads. That's as simple as baking soda and water poured over the corrosion.
Oh, and check your belts. Make sure they're nice and snug with limited cracking (I believe more than 1 crack per inch is excessive but I'm not sure). Have they been screaming for attention lately?
Check tires, oil, anti-freeze, break fluid, radiator, battery (make sure the nodes aren't too crusty). If none of those work, then consider getting a new battery or having it repaired.
Not so much 'probably' as "I'd bet you $50'. That's totally battery - either dying, overly corroded leads, or a bad ground leading to dying. A new battery is $40 and a good investment this time of year. 404 is correctamundo. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i only know bike mechanics... but i agree
best bet is to go to your local garage and go WTH is up with my car? then kick it a lil.
If you do this, bring not only your checkbook but also your credit card and possibly the title for the car.
And some lube. And beware of mechanics rubbing their hands together and grinning from ear to ear.
Nah. But I bet we all like watching American Chopper, Rides, Monster Garage, and everything else on Discovery... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Nah. But I bet we all like watching American Chopper, Rides, Monster Garage, and everything else on Discovery... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Discovery channel is teh winnar!!!!!
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"Oooohhhh, yyeeaaahhhh"
"Oooohhhh, yyeeaaahhhh" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it was the cold snap that killed it... odd though that in Chicago I never had that problem <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Odd things, batteries. I had mine in Chicago as well for 3 years, through some hellacious weather. Then it crapped out down in North Carolina during one of the wimpiest "winters" I ever had - hell, it barely got below 50!
Odd things, batteries. I had mine in Chicago as well for 3 years, through some hellacious weather. Then it crapped out down in North Carolina during one of the wimpiest "winters" I ever had - hell, it barely got below 50! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think they get lonely for deep dish pizzas and hotdogs <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
SuperTeflon: Did you have the alternator tested at the same time? And don't go getting all lazy now. Keep an eye out for the same symptoms for at least a few days.
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Him = Mikey Teudel
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I don't get it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> In fact, Google doesn't get it either. Must be something they played on the radio back in 1870...
Anyway, alternator was completely replaced a few years ago, it's still shineyer then the rest of the engine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Plus my battery has a sexy 6 year warrenty on it.
EDIT: On a more surprising note, the car seems to run quieter with the new battery <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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I don't get it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> In fact, Google doesn't get it either.
Anyway, alternator was completely replaced a few years ago, it's still shineyer then the rest of the engine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Plus my battery has a sexy 6 year warrenty on it.
EDIT: On a more surprising note, the car seems to run quieter with the new battery <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
so in other words, your battery is gonna crap out in exactly 73 months?
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I don't get it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> In fact, Google doesn't get it either.
Anyway, alternator was completely replaced a few years ago, it's still shineyer then the rest of the engine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Plus my battery has a sexy 6 year warrenty on it.
EDIT: On a more surprising note, the car seems to run quieter with the new battery <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
so in other words, your battery is gonna crap out in exactly 73 months? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, Murphy was an optimist <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But it also could be your oil. You mentioned it was cold and sometimes cars don't like to start if the oil pressure is low, if the engine is cold then that could be why. There are specific types of oil you can buy for cold weather. It can take a while for the oil to heat up, but once it gets going then it should be fine.
Just saying it could be a bigger problem than just a battery / alternator.
But it also could be your oil. You mentioned it was cold and sometimes cars don't like to start if the oil pressure is low, if the engine is cold then that could be why. There are specific types of oil you can buy for cold weather. It can take a while for the oil to heat up, but once it gets going then it should be fine.
Just saying it could be a bigger problem than just a battery / alternator. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Problem had been solved, but thanks everyone <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just to expand on my earlier post I asked the dude at the battery place, and mentioned that ever since it got to like -30 that one night and had to be jumped the next morning, it didn't work right. He said that that happens and the cold pretty much ruined the battery's ability to hold even a halfway-decent charge.