Ocarina Of Time Using Snes Zelda Engine

Liku

Adventure of Link was a horrendous game. Even though I beat it, I'll never care to look back on it. Now if I beat Wind Waker and Four Swords, I'll have beat every Zelda Game. w00t.

I love when Zelda's cheery, just not when I'm in battle. The overworld should be happy and cheery along with the towns. But when I'm in a Dungeon or Ganon's Pad, I want dark. It makes the battles better, like the Ganon battle in OoT. If that battle was happy, I would have kicked myself.

Grillkohle

Well, at least you had some time to take a pee while that damn sailing ship keeps on traveling by itself. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

Zig

<!--QuoteBegin--thansal+ above--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (thansal @ above)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and I have never seen any one say anything good about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

-its side-quests/-stories are stupendous. there are so many that you use an in-game log to document them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
-the side-games are tons of fun to play. photography and obstacle courses are some fun new additions, but of course there are still bomb lobbing and archery games among other misc. throwbacks.
-its playability is amazing. the main plot is linear, as it SHOULD be in a zelda game, but the side-plots are yours to pursue or ignore.
-the graphics are <i>slightly</i> refined, the real treat is the improvements in lighting and atmosphere made since OoT
-the music prwnts you
-collecting masks is fun, and also practical. ex: beating the mini-quest to get the Bunny Hood saves you some time (which you <i>NEED</i>, trust me) by boosting your speed without having to call your horse.
-the story is excellent.
-the number of separate communities (hyrulian, goron, etc.) makes for a very entertaining world overall.
-subtle changes in the environment are constantly occuring. this adds <i>a lot</i> to the atmosphere (ie: people don't just change what they're saying as you progress in the game, other things change too).
<b>-majora's mask's 3-day limit feature is a total breakthrough and adds a compelling but unfortunately indescribable dimension to the game. you've got to try it to understand it.</b>


there are so many reasons to play this excellent game, it makes me wonder why it's not rated higher by people here o_o

Fieari

Is everyone here familiar with the "No True Scottsman" logical fallacy? Majora's Mask and Adventure of Link are, whether you like them or not, Zelda games... and both are in fact very dark. Majora's Mask is a lot of fun, Adventure of Link is such a different game from all the others that you may or may not like it at all... though it's certainly not the masterpeice some of the other games are.

If you want to talk about Zelda games that suck and aren't considered to be real Zelda games, look towards CDi...

Wolf_Kahler

Ooohhh, never mind. Sorry. You're right.

Liku

Zig, you are a man of taste.

And remember the last battle in Majora's Mask? That's real hard if you don't use the Fierce Diety's Mask, nearly impossible. Awesome fight though, he totally showed me how things were done... once he did that like 6 rapid whip combo, did it again, then did the throw on me. When I paused to re-think my life I looked down to find my **** on a Silver Platter.

Forlorn

My main beef with the Wind Waker was that it was WAY too damn easy. Took my like 10 hours to beat it, around 20 to get everything.

It made me feel very sad.

The same goes for OoT, it was GREAT, the graphics (for the time) absolutely ROCKED and were BEUTIFUL, however I found it too easy.

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I WANT A REAL CHALLENGE! A link to the past gives me this challenge, although I have not played it for almost 6 years, it was the only zelda game to date (besides the originals, which I didn't care for too much) that WAS CHALLENGING! Gannon was a nightmare, took me a week to beat him.

I mean, come on, nothing beats gameplay where it's actually an accomplishment to win.

Also, a Link to the Past was the longest game out of all of the Zelda games (aside from the original).

I really loved that game.

Now, weither or not the game is 2D or 3D does not matter to me, however I will enjoy the new gameplay experiences 2D brings as well as some hope for a little challenge.

Pulse

<!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Jan 14 2004, 07:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Jan 14 2004, 07:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>-majora's mask's 3-day limit feature is a total breakthrough and adds a compelling but unfortunately indescribable dimension to the game. you've got to try it to understand it.</b>


there are so many reasons to play this excellent game, it makes me wonder why it's not rated higher by people here o_o<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That was the main problem with the game. The 3 hour time limit <i>sounds</i> like a really stupid gimmick. While it actually works great and really adds to the game, that didn't stop tons of people (like Thansal) from judging the game before they play it and deciding it was not worth their time (it most certainly is, as you know). And since the people who never played it universally "hate" it, you get a lot of negative opinions from people who don't know what they are talking about.

IMO Majora's Mask is the best zelda game, and thats saying something when you consider my opinion of OOT and LTTP (not to mention that Legend of Zelda was the first game I ever played, and was what got me into gaming). It is not often that any game dares to be original, and when a game in an established series does it, thats something special. The 3 day timelimit allowed them to add an absolutely insane amount of detail to the game (again, you won't know what I'm talking about unless you've played it), and it is what I consider the first zelda game with a good story. And since it uses the tried and true gameplay of OOT (which is really just an advanced version of LTTP's gameplay), you really can't lose.

Xzilen

<!--QuoteBegin--Thansal+Jan 14 2004, 04:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Jan 14 2004, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> again, a large part of the entire zeld series is that they are not dark at all (ocarina was the darkest by far)

Also keeping the game more light alows them to use those few times they throw in a dark spot much more effectivly.

There are alot of games out there that are dark all the way through and thus don't have much effect on you.  However when a zelda game turns spookey and dark there actualy is an effect <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

Honestly, if you don't like the feel of zelda (and most nintendo games) just play a different game, there are lots of games out there like zeld (none are as good in my mind but thats b/c I LOVE the feel of zelda games) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have to disagree, I think Link to the Past and Links Awkening (just how mysterious it was) were the most complex and dark.

*Edit* To the person who explained their reasoning on why they believed Link to the Past to be happy.... you actually kind of changed my mind. For instance, all the ferry caves, etc, it was complex, strange, yet exciting and happy I guess. Very good points you made.

Zig

<!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Jan 14 2004, 07:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Jan 14 2004, 07:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zig, you are a man of taste.

And remember the last battle in Majora's Mask? That's real hard if you don't use the Fierce Diety's Mask, nearly impossible. Awesome fight though, he totally showed me how things were done... once he did that like 6 rapid whip combo, did it again, then did the throw on me. When I paused to re-think my life I looked down to find my **** on a Silver Platter. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thx :]


oh yes...good times.. totally good times.

edit: but i really didn't wanna <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>SPOILER</span></span> trade all my masks =\ <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>SPOILER</span></span>

Zig

<!--QuoteBegin--Pulse+Jan 14 2004, 09:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Jan 14 2004, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That was the main problem with the game.  The 3 hour time limit <i>sounds</i> like a really stupid gimmick.  While it actually works great and really adds to the game, that didn't stop tons of people (like Thansal) from judging the game before they play it and deciding it was not worth their time (it most certainly is, as you know). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you're so damn RIGHT..

you can really only know it by trying it. it's like food, or something.

edit: and if i'm gonna compare it to food, i'm gonna just say here that it's the <i>nectar and ambrosia</i> of the zelda series.

DiscoZombie

laff, so many of you never played 2D zeldas and here I am never having played a 3D zelda...

just replayed the SNES zelda they released on the GBA, driving to Florida and back... there's 1 freaking heart piece I can't find... don't you hate that? at least I never died.

as for this remake, I have to ask what the point is... if he's a big zelda fan and wants to make a zelda game using the SNES engine, why not just write his own plot rather than trying to recreate another game... doesn't seem like there'd be too much point to playing it to me, if you've played the original...

DOOManiac

he probably figures "well if i'm gonna get sued, i'll redo ocarina" :P

AgentOrange

The game was actually featured on the nintendo website and they are backing him and his project. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

Geminosity

I couldn't be bothered getting all the masks so I had to take on the mask as normal link XD
just the right level of challenge... if I'd actually had the super mask thingy I don't think I'd have enjoyed it as much =3

I've got to admit though, it didn't <b>feel</b> like a zelda game... but it was good and I enjoyed it; it's incredibly deep and you often end up using the 3 days to do something completely different each time (the slow time song is my saviour =D ).

I don't think Link to the Past was all that happy once you hit the darkworld =/
Like that guy who sorta died and turned into a tree... that was really sad and the whole world felt dark and hostile compared to the light world.

Thansal

Again, I have played some of Mask, I didn't like it that much and what I have been told about it (from many people aside from you 2) Was that it realy just wasn't all that good (they sighted alot of good reasons, I don't remember them now b/c I don't remember much from HS <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)

Again you are the only 2 (well gem I guess counts as a person <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) so 3 people who have had good things to say about it (note: I Ignore game reviews for the most part, I just listen to people who I know share similare tastes to me)

And as for aLttP, remember the FIRST time you go into the dark world? What do you turn into? A fluffy pink bunny (awwww link is a flufy pink bunny inside, awwwww <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
I am not saying that the Zelda games are all bright and cheary, nor am I saying they all should be. I just think that they are better being on the brighter side of things (and bright != easy, hehe, go find a ROM for snes called keeper, it was a Japan only game that is one of the cooler puzzle games I have played <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->). And with the predomineatly brighter game play they can use those moments of creepie to a much better effect.

After all, you said the dark world had a strong effect on you. Now imagine putting something like that into Resident Evil. You would just crack up, the drak worls is honestly not that dark and forboeding, it only feels that way b/c of the rest of the mood of the game <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

(yes I am a Zelda fanboy <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)

Fieari

To the person who said that Ocarina of Time was too easy for him, go to your local Gamestop and ask if anyone has traded in their copy of Master Quest. I don't own it, but I borrowed it from a friend for three months, which is the amount of time it took me to beat the darn thing, and that's me knowing OoT inside and out. I was dying left and right... all those heart containers that were nice to get but really optional now become mandatory (at least they were for me, I couldn't get through DUNGEONS without extra hearts)... I couldn't beat the Forest Temple without first getting the biggoron sword... the puzzles have been reworked so that the secret little tricks in OoT are now mandatory, and to do the secret little tricks requires even MORE ingenuity... there are new kinds of puzzles not seen elsewhere in Zelda games...

Oog, the Block of Time puzzles for instance... gak those were hard. The spirit temple alone took me nearly a month to beat.

An all the Stalfos! And Armos! And Lizfos! And Gohma spawn! They're everywhere!

The plot and outdoors didn't change one bit, making it still an awesome game, but the difficulty increase inside the dungeons made Master Quest worth it. Truely. The <i>Deku Tree</i> was hard for crying out loud!

Liku

<!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Jan 14 2004, 11:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Jan 14 2004, 11:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> edit: but i really didn't wanna <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>SPOILER</span></span> trade all my masks =\ <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>SPOILER</span></span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Luckily, you get them all back along with the FD Mask.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The game was actually featured on the nintendo website and they are backing him and his project.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's all I needed to hear, thank you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't think Link to the Past was all that happy once you hit the darkworld =/<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you kidding? That upbeat theme to the Darkworld and dungeons weren't real dark, and the Dark World was still really cheery.

pardzh

Seeing this thread reminded me to eBay LTTP. Super.

Zig

<!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Jan 15 2004, 04:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Jan 15 2004, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Jan 14 2004, 11:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Jan 14 2004, 11:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> edit: but i really didn't wanna <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>SPOILER</span></span> trade all my masks =\ <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>SPOILER</span></span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Luckily, you get them all back along with the FD Mask. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
!!!!!!

buh!?!!?!

that's what i get for refusing to read walkthroughs T-T