How the HELL do people expect to get away with **** like this? Do they not live on this earth or something? How could they think something like this would be beificial to their corporate image?!?!?!?
This is what happens when you get rid of the draft - a punch of pony-tailed ad execs that wouldn't know the brotherhood of arms if it shoved a cafe latte up their bung. These guys are utter trash.
I recently saw a copy of your SOCOM2 article (image here: <a href='http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg</a> , original image here: <a href='http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673f2.jpg)' target='_blank'>http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673f2.jpg)</a>, and I must say that basing something something as trivial as a video game review on the deaths of Soviet soldiers and the sadness of their comrades is inexcusable. As someone who's lost his fair share of brothers in arms during 6 years in the Marine Corps, I think you owe your readers, veterans, and veteran's families everywhere an apology. What's next, replacing JFK's coffin with a giant Pepsi bottle as it rolls along on the caisson, while a saluting John Jr. hold's the hand of Mario the plumber?
------------------------------------------------------------ Ned Pyle Sgt, 0341, USMC 1992-1998<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope you'll keep us informed of a possible reply from them MonsE! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I recently saw a copy of your SOCOM2 article (image here: <a href='http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg</a> , original image here: <a href='http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673f2.jpg)' target='_blank'>http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673f2.jpg)</a>, and I must say that basing something something as trivial as a video game review on the deaths of Soviet soldiers and the sadness of their comrades is inexcusable. As someone who's lost his fair share of brothers in arms during 6 years in the Marine Corps, I think you owe your readers, veterans, and veteran's families everywhere an apology. What's next, replacing JFK's coffin with a giant Pepsi bottle as it rolls along on the caisson, while a saluting John Jr. hold's the hand of Mario the plumber?
------------------------------------------------------------ Ned Pyle Sgt, 0341, USMC 1992-1998
Good work MonsE. On a side note this is why I don't like consoles. I'm pretty sure that if this was geared towards computer gamers than this would have never happened.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nuketheplace+Jan 11 2004, 06:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nuketheplace @ Jan 11 2004, 06:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Good work MonsE. On a side note this is why I don't like consoles. I'm pretty sure that if this was geared towards computer gamers than this would have never happened. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's like saying that a murderer wouldn't stab someone if you gave him a hunting knife instead of a kitchen knife.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nuketheplace+Jan 11 2004, 06:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nuketheplace @ Jan 11 2004, 06:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Good work MonsE. On a side note this is why I don't like consoles. I'm pretty sure that if this was geared towards computer gamers than this would have never happened. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think that makes a bit of sense...Computer game makers know us well, its how they sell things. They also know that we like to speak up if something is BS.
<!--QuoteBegin--SuperTeflon+Jan 11 2004, 02:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SuperTeflon @ Jan 11 2004, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--moultano+Jan 11 2004, 01:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Jan 11 2004, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To play devil's advocate here, what's more disgusting about using a picture like that in an ad than making a game out of a similar subject? You could equivalently say that making an entertainment product out of a war is mocking the lives of all the people who died in it.
What's the significant moral difference between making a WWII game, and using a picture like that in an ad? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hmmm...
<span style='color:white'>Do not revert nukes. And no matter what your point might be, it is still inappropriate in its own rights.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> As I just told Nem0 in a PM, the picture was no less nor any more appropriate then the pictures on the first page: It's disrespecting other people's loss by turning an emotional scene into an advertisement for a fictionalized game. (The picture was of the 9 - 11 firefighters hoisting a nazi flag and it advertised 'Solve the real government coverup of 9 - 11!'). The picture was in response to Moultano. He seems to be fine with the soldiers having their lost ones photoshopped out and replaced with ads, so I hit a target a little closer to home to see if he'd still feel the same. So either:
A) Remove the entire contents of the first post: I could whine that I find it offensive... apparently it's enough to remove related material from a topic.
B) Let me post the picture again.
Or is it 'more appropriate' to just have a description? Something tells me that if I didn't take the time to make the offensive image, just describing:
'replacing american flag with swastika and claiming that the government caused 9/11'
would have much less of a desired effect, yet be deemed 'more appropriate'.
<!--QuoteBegin--SuperTeflon+Jan 11 2004, 03:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SuperTeflon @ Jan 11 2004, 03:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--SuperTeflon+Jan 11 2004, 02:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SuperTeflon @ Jan 11 2004, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--moultano+Jan 11 2004, 01:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Jan 11 2004, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To play devil's advocate here, what's more disgusting about using a picture like that in an ad than making a game out of a similar subject? You could equivalently say that making an entertainment product out of a war is mocking the lives of all the people who died in it.
What's the significant moral difference between making a WWII game, and using a picture like that in an ad? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hmmm...
<span style='color:white'>Do not revert nukes. And no matter what your point might be, it is still inappropriate in its own rights.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> As I just told Nem0 in a PM, the picture was no less nor any more appropriate then the pictures on the first page: It's disrespecting other people's loss by turning an emotional scene into an advertisement for a fictionalized game. (The picture was of the 9 - 11 firefighters hoisting a nazi flag and it advertised 'Solve the real government coverup of 9 - 11!'). The picture was in response to Moultano. He seems to be fine with the soldiers having their lost ones photoshopped out and replaced with ads, so I hit a target a little closer to home to see if he'd still feel the same. So either:
A) Remove the entire contents of the first post: I could whine that I find it offensive... apparently it's enough to remove related material from a topic.
B) Let me post the picture again.
Or is it 'more appropriate' to just have a description? Something tells me that if I didn't take the time to make the offensive image, just describing:
'replacing american flag with swastika and claiming that the government caused 9/11'
would have much less of a desired effect, yet be deemed 'more appropriate'. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not that he <i>is</i> the devil's advocate, he was <b>playing</b> the devil's advocate.
And it's hard for me to understand what you we're trying to do with that ad you posted. moultano was asking the difference in disgust between making it an ad, and making it a game.
The advertisement you posted sounded disgusting. <b>Likewise</b>, making a game out of that event also sounds disgusting, (use the search function; I recall seeing a topic about some people who wanted to make a UT2K3 mod based on 9/11. If I recall in that game, you actually got to play as a person in the building who was trying to escape before time ran out, and gameplay features included the ability to jump out buildings to fall to your death? Could you take something like that seriously? It trivializes a tragedy. Now if I recall, the creators weren't modelling after real life victims that died, but it still made stomachs turn. Same with the Columbine mod.
And yet WWII, which should be the biggest tragedy of the twentieth century, is an ever growing popular subject for the use in video games. But if WWII was marketed as a video back in the 1950s (assuming that they had the technology), the reaction may have been radically different.
The arguement can be made though that in war is a bit more acceptable entertainment for tragedy-based entertainment, since it's not like one side is completely doing the raping while the other side is defenseless. And as you said earlier, the picture there was real, the people there were real. If they weren't so damn lazy, they could of just drawn the entire ad, and nothing would of happened.
[edit]And as I said before, you can wait for the people directly affected by the tragedy, and the two generations after them to die off, and then you're free to screw with history without offending anyone.[/edit]
ShockehIf a packet drops on the web and nobody's near to see it...Join Date: 2002-11-19Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The advertisement you posted sounded disgusting. Likewise, making a game out of that event also sounds disgusting, (use the search function; I recall seeing a topic about some people who wanted to make a UT2K3 mod based on 9/11. If I recall in that game, you actually got to play as a person in the building who was trying to escape before time ran out, and gameplay features included the ability to jump out buildings to fall to your death? Could you take something like that seriously? It trivializes a tragedy. Now if I recall, the creators weren't modelling after real life victims that died, but it still made stomachs turn. Same with the Columbine mod. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OT : Ah, but that's the problem isn't it? History has, and always will be written by the victors. Some points in history have become so tragically twisted that it bears no semblance whatsoever to the reality, but hey, as long as it makes a kickass movie/game, that's alright, right?
I would never agree to anything based on September 11th, as it was a terrorist attack on civilians. But there is already little bits of history which are looking different, which I have just written and deleted because I don't think it's suitable in this thread. But look at the demonisation of the German Army during World War II? Every little western child knows now, he sees a german uniform, that's an <b>evil bad guy</b> right? The Allies also performed some shocking things during World War II, but we conveiniently forget those because we <i>won</i>. And no-one likes to think we were just as bad to preserve what we wanted, over what those in power in Germany/Japan wanted.
This thing with the advertisement is a no-win situation. We all know what has been done is wrong, and a picture like that shouldn't be used to advertise a game, but in the process you have to acknowledge that all of us, myself included are guilty of hypocrisy to then not admit some of the wrong actions our own nations have taken 'for the good of our citizens'.
<!--QuoteBegin--DuBERS+Jan 11 2004, 02:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuBERS @ Jan 11 2004, 02:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Somebody passed this on to penny arcade yet? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah I sent it to Tycho (tycho -at- penny-arcade -dot- com)
Hm, my friend gets EGM, I'll have to nab this months issue and splatter black paint on the page with that article. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Shockwave+Jan 11 2004, 09:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Jan 11 2004, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The advertisement you posted sounded disgusting. Likewise, making a game out of that event also sounds disgusting, (use the search function; I recall seeing a topic about some people who wanted to make a UT2K3 mod based on 9/11. If I recall in that game, you actually got to play as a person in the building who was trying to escape before time ran out, and gameplay features included the ability to jump out buildings to fall to your death? Could you take something like that seriously? It trivializes a tragedy. Now if I recall, the creators weren't modelling after real life victims that died, but it still made stomachs turn. Same with the Columbine mod. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OT : Ah, but that's the problem isn't it? History has, and always will be written by the victors. Some points in history have become so tragically twisted that it bears no semblance whatsoever to the reality, but hey, as long as it makes a kickass movie/game, that's alright, right?
I would never agree to anything based on September 11th, as it was a terrorist attack on civilians. But there is already little bits of history which are looking different, which I have just written and deleted because I don't think it's suitable in this thread. But look at the demonisation of the German Army during World War II? Every little western child knows now, he sees a german uniform, that's an <b>evil bad guy</b> right? The Allies also performed some shocking things during World War II, but we conveiniently forget those because we <i>won</i>. And no-one likes to think we were just as bad to preserve what we wanted, over what those in power in Germany/Japan wanted.
This thing with the advertisement is a no-win situation. We all know what has been done is wrong, and a picture like that shouldn't be used to advertise a game, but in the process you have to acknowledge that all of us, myself included are guilty of hypocrisy to then not admit some of the wrong actions our own nations have taken 'for the good of our citizens'.
- Shockeh <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And this is why general "next gen" media blows. Television puts a spin on everything, and a good portion of the population whom is uninformed about said topic, whatever it may be, believe everything said as fact, and that they told the whole story. Radio tends to do the same. Books > All.
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What links? Everything works fine for me.
hell yea
they should be shot
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Dear editors,
I recently saw a copy of your SOCOM2 article (image here: <a href='http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg</a> , original image here: <a href='http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673f2.jpg)' target='_blank'>http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673f2.jpg)</a>, and I must say that basing something something as trivial as a video game review on the deaths of Soviet soldiers and the sadness of their comrades is inexcusable. As someone who's lost his fair share of brothers in arms during 6 years in the Marine Corps, I think you owe your readers, veterans, and veteran's families everywhere an apology. What's next, replacing JFK's coffin with a giant Pepsi bottle as it rolls along on the caisson, while a saluting John Jr. hold's the hand of Mario the plumber?
------------------------------------------------------------
Ned Pyle
Sgt, 0341, USMC 1992-1998<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
oh wait... there is.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My email, as sent:
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Dear editors,
I recently saw a copy of your SOCOM2 article (image here: <a href='http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg</a> , original image here: <a href='http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673f2.jpg)' target='_blank'>http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673f2.jpg)</a>, and I must say that basing something something as trivial as a video game review on the deaths of Soviet soldiers and the sadness of their comrades is inexcusable. As someone who's lost his fair share of brothers in arms during 6 years in the Marine Corps, I think you owe your readers, veterans, and veteran's families everywhere an apology. What's next, replacing JFK's coffin with a giant Pepsi bottle as it rolls along on the caisson, while a saluting John Jr. hold's the hand of Mario the plumber?
------------------------------------------------------------
Ned Pyle
Sgt, 0341, USMC 1992-1998
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good work, MonsE! Although I do hope they get rid of this, I will never forgive them for it.
That's like saying that a murderer wouldn't stab someone if you gave him a hunting knife instead of a kitchen knife.
I think that makes a bit of sense...Computer game makers know us well, its how they sell things. They also know that we like to speak up if something is BS.
Hate people you use those of the poor as there little puppets, and to those who let this slide i say "For shame"
That's probably the most disrespectful ad ever. Ugh.
What's the significant moral difference between making a WWII game, and using a picture like that in an ad? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hmmm...
<span style='color:white'>Do not revert nukes. And no matter what your point might be, it is still inappropriate in its own rights.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As I just told Nem0 in a PM, the picture was no less nor any more appropriate then the pictures on the first page: It's disrespecting other people's loss by turning an emotional scene into an advertisement for a fictionalized game. (The picture was of the 9 - 11 firefighters hoisting a nazi flag and it advertised 'Solve the real government coverup of 9 - 11!'). The picture was in response to Moultano. He seems to be fine with the soldiers having their lost ones photoshopped out and replaced with ads, so I hit a target a little closer to home to see if he'd still feel the same. So either:
A) Remove the entire contents of the first post: I could whine that I find it offensive... apparently it's enough to remove related material from a topic.
B) Let me post the picture again.
Or is it 'more appropriate' to just have a description? Something tells me that if I didn't take the time to make the offensive image, just describing:
'replacing american flag with swastika and claiming that the government caused 9/11'
would have much less of a desired effect, yet be deemed 'more appropriate'.
What's the significant moral difference between making a WWII game, and using a picture like that in an ad? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hmmm...
<span style='color:white'>Do not revert nukes. And no matter what your point might be, it is still inappropriate in its own rights.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As I just told Nem0 in a PM, the picture was no less nor any more appropriate then the pictures on the first page: It's disrespecting other people's loss by turning an emotional scene into an advertisement for a fictionalized game. (The picture was of the 9 - 11 firefighters hoisting a nazi flag and it advertised 'Solve the real government coverup of 9 - 11!'). The picture was in response to Moultano. He seems to be fine with the soldiers having their lost ones photoshopped out and replaced with ads, so I hit a target a little closer to home to see if he'd still feel the same. So either:
A) Remove the entire contents of the first post: I could whine that I find it offensive... apparently it's enough to remove related material from a topic.
B) Let me post the picture again.
Or is it 'more appropriate' to just have a description? Something tells me that if I didn't take the time to make the offensive image, just describing:
'replacing american flag with swastika and claiming that the government caused 9/11'
would have much less of a desired effect, yet be deemed 'more appropriate'. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's not that he <i>is</i> the devil's advocate, he was <b>playing</b> the devil's advocate.
And it's hard for me to understand what you we're trying to do with that ad you posted. moultano was asking the difference in disgust between making it an ad, and making it a game.
The advertisement you posted sounded disgusting. <b>Likewise</b>, making a game out of that event also sounds disgusting, (use the search function; I recall seeing a topic about some people who wanted to make a UT2K3 mod based on 9/11. If I recall in that game, you actually got to play as a person in the building who was trying to escape before time ran out, and gameplay features included the ability to jump out buildings to fall to your death? Could you take something like that seriously? It trivializes a tragedy. Now if I recall, the creators weren't modelling after real life victims that died, but it still made stomachs turn. Same with the Columbine mod.
And yet WWII, which should be the biggest tragedy of the twentieth century, is an ever growing popular subject for the use in video games. But if WWII was marketed as a video back in the 1950s (assuming that they had the technology), the reaction may have been radically different.
The arguement can be made though that in war is a bit more acceptable entertainment for tragedy-based entertainment, since it's not like one side is completely doing the raping while the other side is defenseless. And as you said earlier, the picture there was real, the people there were real. If they weren't so damn lazy, they could of just drawn the entire ad, and nothing would of happened.
[edit]And as I said before, you can wait for the people directly affected by the tragedy, and the two generations after them to die off, and then you're free to screw with history without offending anyone.[/edit]
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OT : Ah, but that's the problem isn't it? History has, and always will be written by the victors. Some points in history have become so tragically twisted that it bears no semblance whatsoever to the reality, but hey, as long as it makes a kickass movie/game, that's alright, right?
I would never agree to anything based on September 11th, as it was a terrorist attack on civilians. But there is already little bits of history which are looking different, which I have just written and deleted because I don't think it's suitable in this thread. But look at the demonisation of the German Army during World War II? Every little western child knows now, he sees a german uniform, that's an <b>evil bad guy</b> right? The Allies also performed some shocking things during World War II, but we conveiniently forget those because we <i>won</i>. And no-one likes to think we were just as bad to preserve what we wanted, over what those in power in Germany/Japan wanted.
This thing with the advertisement is a no-win situation. We all know what has been done is wrong, and a picture like that shouldn't be used to advertise a game, but in the process you have to acknowledge that all of us, myself included are guilty of hypocrisy to then not admit some of the wrong actions our own nations have taken 'for the good of our citizens'.
- Shockeh
Yeah I sent it to Tycho (tycho -at- penny-arcade -dot- com)
Hm, my friend gets EGM, I'll have to nab this months issue and splatter black paint on the page with that article. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OT : Ah, but that's the problem isn't it? History has, and always will be written by the victors. Some points in history have become so tragically twisted that it bears no semblance whatsoever to the reality, but hey, as long as it makes a kickass movie/game, that's alright, right?
I would never agree to anything based on September 11th, as it was a terrorist attack on civilians. But there is already little bits of history which are looking different, which I have just written and deleted because I don't think it's suitable in this thread. But look at the demonisation of the German Army during World War II? Every little western child knows now, he sees a german uniform, that's an <b>evil bad guy</b> right? The Allies also performed some shocking things during World War II, but we conveiniently forget those because we <i>won</i>. And no-one likes to think we were just as bad to preserve what we wanted, over what those in power in Germany/Japan wanted.
This thing with the advertisement is a no-win situation. We all know what has been done is wrong, and a picture like that shouldn't be used to advertise a game, but in the process you have to acknowledge that all of us, myself included are guilty of hypocrisy to then not admit some of the wrong actions our own nations have taken 'for the good of our citizens'.
- Shockeh <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And this is why general "next gen" media blows. Television puts a spin on everything, and a good portion of the population whom is uninformed about said topic, whatever it may be, believe everything said as fact, and that they told the whole story. Radio tends to do the same. Books > All.