<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I disagree that it's selling out but I also disagree that someone would pick NS over HL2 if they don't know NS. *shrug* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and what do we give back?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Our support? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> By playing the game (and of course constellation etc.)... There wouldn't be NS without the community. Thou this might sound like a load of crap but thats how i feel.
<!--QuoteBegin--scooter-blue+Jan 1 2004, 12:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (scooter-blue @ Jan 1 2004, 12:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Letting the NS team know that we don't appreciate missed release dates and a lack of regular updates is valuable feedback. These guys are still learning how to run things. The worst thing we can do is sit silent as the community gradually falls apart, which is what's happening now. If you don't like the way things are going, say so, or you're hurting the game's--and the development team's--future.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The release date has always been when it's done, they were hoping to have it out for Christmas but it just didn't happen.
<!--QuoteBegin--scooter-blue+Jan 1 2004, 12:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (scooter-blue @ Jan 1 2004, 12:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The point is that 3.0 has been delayed past its holiday season release date not in order to stamp out bugs (the majority of which have probably already been fixed in the unreleased build), but rather to buy time to find a buyer that can put NS retail on the shelves, and this in my view is unacceptable. To make matters worse, this was all done without any official explanation from the NS team. Flayra needs to change the way he's doing things.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Your entire arguement is moot as this paragraph is wrong.
Flayra has a life, I'm assuming He's taken a few weeks off for Christmas holidays. Stop being paranoid and get over it. 3.0 is coming out when its worthy of release, not because Flayra is waiting for it to go Retail.
<!--QuoteBegin--Manawydan+Jan 1 2004, 03:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Manawydan @ Jan 1 2004, 03:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Realistically, until it's clear what is going to happen with NS (NS with updates & NS2, just NS2 etc.), it is impossible to make any comment ourselves. It would be helpful if Flayra gave us more details but I understand that this will be business sensitive information that he probably doesn't want to leak out.
As someone who was looking to join Constellation after Yule, I'm more interested in the following statements:
1) NS is and will always be free (Constellation page) 2) After releasing NS into retail, we'd like to keep maintaining it (Unknown Worlds site)
Will this be the end of Constellation? Will this be "pay to beta test" only? If keeping NS as a mod, and building NS2, will NS be updated?
Again, though, some of this is business sensitive and we'll probably not find out until Flayra is ready.
Personally, good luck to Flayra and the teams. I disagree that it's selling out but I also disagree that someone would pick NS over HL2 if they don't know NS. *shrug* Marketing is the way forward to increase public knowledge but, let's face it, that's a business strategy.
Anyway, I'm still joining Constellation - this is one of the few games I'm happy to spend money on! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll take a stab at this using some old fashioned logic <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
NS will always be free and available as a mod for HL. Any retail will be in the same vein as DOD and CS. I'd imagine NS will still get supported but this wil get scaled back as a) NS2 takes over and b) it needs less doing with it.
Constellation will still continue, I see no reason why you will not always be able to donate and receive an icon in NS. <b>Nowhere</b> has Flayra said that consties will beta test future patches. This beta test was to say thanks and enable a bigger player base to test it. TBH it looks like this will be the last big patch anyway.
Any retail sales will go towards funding development of NS2, which I would imagine will be developed as a game in its own right rather then a mod i.e. if they can they'll license an engine although i'm unaware of the costs involved. TBH, this one line is very exciting:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS is first contact, NS2 will be the war...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree with supernorn2000, and even if the wait would be cause of the "retail-ing" of NS, it wouldn't be bad thing... it would only (probably if everything will go right) just make NS stronger and better than ever... but i quess people don't want that, cause they want it _now_! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->its not out yet because its not ready. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Newsflash <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--scooter-blue+Jan 1 2004, 06:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (scooter-blue @ Jan 1 2004, 06:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> gg NS. Say hello to CS Retail when you get to selloutville. Just now I find out the reason I've been waiting so god damn long for 3.0 to come out is that flayra is saving it for a retail release. Way to treat your fanbase.
Next time at least say SOMETHING when you miss your expected holiday season release date. LIE, MAKE SOMETHING UP: ANYTHING. Don't just sit silent as you backstab your patiently waiting fans.
If I had known NS 3.0 is being delayed as they find investors for a retail release I would have quit NS a long F-ing time ago.
though i'd just show this strange two-opinions-at-once <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
scooter, altruistic capitalist isn't an oxymoron. Is there something wrong about enjoying creating the game AND feeling good that people are enjoying his work AND getting a job out of it? Look at the good game companies such as Bioware and Blizzard. Now I won't argue whether their games are good, but it's undisputable that they are very passionate about the games they make. They love making games, enjoy their games popularity (and not just because they're getting paid for it), and are making lots of money. There's nothing wrong with that. Besides, altruism is just a better form of selfishness.
Also, the community isn't breaking apart, but these threads will be the agents of such destruction. Point is, despite your good intentions, these threads are not conducive to the community at all.
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<!--QuoteBegin--scooter-blue+Jan 1 2004, 01:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (scooter-blue @ Jan 1 2004, 01:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->gg NS. Say hello to CS Retail when you get to selloutville. Just now I find out the reason I've been waiting so god damn long for 3.0 to come out is that flayra is saving it for a retail release. Way to treat your fanbase.
Next time at least say SOMETHING when you miss your expected holiday season release date. LIE, MAKE SOMETHING UP: ANYTHING. Don't just sit silent as you backstab your patiently waiting fans.
If I had known NS 3.0 is being delayed as they find investors for a retail release I would have quit NS a long F-ing time ago.
Bye NS. Hello Broodwar.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <sarcasm>Damn you for being successful NS! Damn you to hell! I wanted the NS dev team to stay starving artists and only have NS played by a few people because that would make me ECLECTIC and COOL! But now even average know-nothing schmoes will be able to play NS! The horror!</sarcasm>
But seriously, I'm disappointed too, as are many people, but grow up...nobody owes you anything. By the way, did you just make that up or is it actually written somewhere, because I can't find any mention of this?
<!--QuoteBegin--scooter-blue+Jan 1 2004, 07:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (scooter-blue @ Jan 1 2004, 07:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Epidemic+Jan 1 2004, 01:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Jan 1 2004, 01:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->LOL, Scooter did you create a second account?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh, I'm trying to figure out what you meant, but I'm having trouble entering the mindset of an F-tard.
If you meant you thought I was banned and then made a new account, I was never banned.
If you meant you thought TyrranzzX was an account I made to support myself, I didn't.
One thing that I love about this forum is the abundance of sheep that flame any poster that criticizes the development team or the community. Maybe I should start a mod so I can get the mass groupie love that flayra gets from his mindless followers. I'll bet he begins and ends every day with a ritual tongue bath from one of you Special Olympics runners up.
NS is a great game, and I thank the team for making it. I don't think the team "owes" me anything or that they aren't "allowed to take a holiday break." But the relationship between developer and community is more complicated than a unilateral charity donation: It's a reciprocal exchange of benefit. Do you think Flayra is making this mod out of some Santa Claus complex that compels him to spread joy to the world; to all the boys and girls? As evidenced by the number of people who have joined the constellation--which might more aptly be called the black hole, from which not even brief spending records can escape--and his recent trademark applications and newfound membership of the company-ending-with-"entertainment"-owner club, Flayra's interest in Natural Selection is more than an altruistic one. NS is Flayra's resumé; it's an investment the value of which is measured in terms of popularity.
This isn't his project for the school science fair, folks: He wants to do this in the real world, and there's going to be more pressure to hurry production on a corporate development team than any of my little forum posts could generate. Contrary to what many of you have said, he <i>is</i> getting paid to produce NS, whether it's in the form of hard cash from constellation or future earning potential from employers who would appreciate a coder who could maintain a project with a large fanbase.
Letting the NS team know that we don't appreciate missed release dates and a lack of regular updates is valuable feedback. These guys are still learning how to run things. The worst thing we can do is sit silent as the community gradually falls apart, which is what's happening now. If you don't like the way things are going, say so, or you're hurting the game's--and the development team's--future.
The point is that 3.0 has been delayed past its holiday season release date not in order to stamp out bugs (the majority of which have probably already been fixed in the unreleased build), but rather to buy time to find a buyer that can put NS retail on the shelves, and this in my view is unacceptable. To make matters worse, this was all done without any official explanation from the NS team. Flayra needs to change the way he's doing things. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Dont you have some Brood War to play? Leave us alone, and go play that. Don't worry what people think about you, or saying on the forums about you, because you are leaving right? That is what leaving is all about, not caring and moving on. So why don't you stop being worthless, and go place your burden of your pseudo logic on the Battle.net forums. That sooner you get on that, the better <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Firewater+Jan 1 2004, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Jan 1 2004, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--scooter-blue+Jan 1 2004, 07:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (scooter-blue @ Jan 1 2004, 07:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Epidemic+Jan 1 2004, 01:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Jan 1 2004, 01:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->LOL, Scooter did you create a second account?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh, I'm trying to figure out what you meant, but I'm having trouble entering the mindset of an F-tard.
If you meant you thought I was banned and then made a new account, I was never banned.
If you meant you thought TyrranzzX was an account I made to support myself, I didn't.
One thing that I love about this forum is the abundance of sheep that flame any poster that criticizes the development team or the community. Maybe I should start a mod so I can get the mass groupie love that flayra gets from his mindless followers. I'll bet he begins and ends every day with a ritual tongue bath from one of you Special Olympics runners up.
NS is a great game, and I thank the team for making it. I don't think the team "owes" me anything or that they aren't "allowed to take a holiday break." But the relationship between developer and community is more complicated than a unilateral charity donation: It's a reciprocal exchange of benefit. Do you think Flayra is making this mod out of some Santa Claus complex that compels him to spread joy to the world; to all the boys and girls? As evidenced by the number of people who have joined the constellation--which might more aptly be called the black hole, from which not even brief spending records can escape--and his recent trademark applications and newfound membership of the company-ending-with-"entertainment"-owner club, Flayra's interest in Natural Selection is more than an altruistic one. NS is Flayra's resumé; it's an investment the value of which is measured in terms of popularity.
This isn't his project for the school science fair, folks: He wants to do this in the real world, and there's going to be more pressure to hurry production on a corporate development team than any of my little forum posts could generate. Contrary to what many of you have said, he <i>is</i> getting paid to produce NS, whether it's in the form of hard cash from constellation or future earning potential from employers who would appreciate a coder who could maintain a project with a large fanbase.
Letting the NS team know that we don't appreciate missed release dates and a lack of regular updates is valuable feedback. These guys are still learning how to run things. The worst thing we can do is sit silent as the community gradually falls apart, which is what's happening now. If you don't like the way things are going, say so, or you're hurting the game's--and the development team's--future.
The point is that 3.0 has been delayed past its holiday season release date not in order to stamp out bugs (the majority of which have probably already been fixed in the unreleased build), but rather to buy time to find a buyer that can put NS retail on the shelves, and this in my view is unacceptable. To make matters worse, this was all done without any official explanation from the NS team. Flayra needs to change the way he's doing things. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dont you have some Brood War to play? Leave us alone, and go play that. Don't worry what people think about you, or saying on the forums about you, because you are leaving right? That is what leaving is all about, not caring and moving on. So why don't you stop being worthless, and go place your burden of your pseudo logic on the Battle.net forums. That sooner you get on that, the better <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So ironic to hear <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>YOU </span>tell him that. <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->
Frist off, last time I checked, all the mods that went retail are still avaiable for free down lod if you own Half-Life and you can get it from the soter if you do not have Half-Life. Now as for Natural Selection you can get it for free if you have Half Life, but not any other way. Also, when NS does go retail (and it will happen) the dev team will be able to concentrate on the game more, instead of having to have another job that does pay, so that they can put food on the table. Also, after this long of working on something, they deserver the RIGHT to earn money from the game that they gave us the PRIVILEGE to play. Very, very few games let you download it for free from their site at anytime.
Here is how I see it, the longer 3.0 takes the better. The game will be better quality, and all the idiots who play it will get mad an leave, so that only those of use who want to see this game become truly great will be left. Just one day I want to read the first page of the forums without seeing OMGOMGOMGOMG NS IS NOT DONE I QUIT! (I refuse to do any more than the OMG in "leet") topics taking up 1/2 the page. This just proves how many spolied children are on these forums.
Its also ironic to call <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>YOU</span> a veteran, but whatever. I left for a few weeks because I got a little tired of it. I talked to Flayra and he convinced me to come back but just limit my time on it, which is what I have been doing. I'm glad you know the whole situation now, so maybe it will clear up some of that ignorance now <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Firewater+Jan 1 2004, 12:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Jan 1 2004, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its also ironic to call <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>YOU</span> a veteran, but whatever. I left for a few weeks because I got a little tired of it. I talked to Flayra and he convinced me to come back but just limit my time on it, which is what I have been doing. I'm glad you know the whole situation now, so maybe it will clear up some of that ignorance now <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>YOU</span> started a general discussion thread in why you were leaving? Wow gimme a break, I made one in the vet forums when I first got cut because I was 15 and inmature, but aren?t you 23 and supposed to be mature? Does it all have to be everything about you? Seems like you have to excuse yourself for everything you do, tell us things, and act wiser-than-thou sir.my-college-teacher-said-something-funny-in-class. Gimme a break, John.
What have you done that I haven?t to help this tiny mod?
Thats right, <b>NOTHING.</b> Being in sYn doesnt count btw.
What about being in HAM and do playtests to find out bugs? I guess that does not count either. What about helping other players develop their game and show them things to make them better players?, oh wait I did that in sYn, so that doesn't count I suppose. What about me being moved over to play testers group from the Veterans group because it came extremely close to getting scrapped, and they wanted me to stay. I only suggested the Damage upgrade for Sensory numerous times, and explained to Flayra that sensory needs something that can be directly used in a battle for it to be useful. Oh yeah I also tested that 1.04 hive bug.
But you are right, I did nothing, thats why I moved over to the PT group right? Once again the ignornace of a child is seeping through in your post.
Now what did you contribute to NS? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Firewater+Jan 1 2004, 12:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Jan 1 2004, 12:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What about being in HAM and do playtests to find out bugs? I guess that does not count either. What about helping other players develop their game and show them things to make them better players?, oh wait I did that in sYn, so that doesn't count I suppose. What about me being moved over to play testers group from the Veterans group because it came extremely close to getting scrapped, and they wanted me to stay. I only suggested the Damage upgrade for Sensory numerous times, and explained to Flayra that sensory needs something that can be directly used in a battle for it to be useful. Oh yeah I also tested that 1.04 hive bug.
But you are right, I did nothing, thats why I moved over to the PT group right? Once again the ignornace of a child is seeping through in your post.
Now what did you contribute to NS? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> mmm... lets see. Well this one time in a co_ pub I killed a fade with my knife. Does that count? <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>D:</span>
Nah, I guess you win John. You win the e-coolness award. Here?s your e-cookie, e-friendship, and e-appraisal. You were always the cool guy John, always. One thing I dont suggest is calling ME a child seeing how you tend to act some times.
Damn, it's times like this when I'm glad I'm a lowly constie and not privy to any of this upper-echelon vet infighting <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seriously though, any player of NS who's not very enthused for both the community and Flayra about NS going retail needs to get their heads checked. Video games with half the longevity and twice the amount of bugs sell for $50. For $20, you could be playing a beta test that is on the level of most commercial releases in terms of stability. For free, you can play a great game and wait for the next version to come out. I don't foresee that changing.
Flayra is still developing the game because, surprise surprise, Flayra really enjoys it. He and the rest of the NS crew have displayed a dedication that stands above greed and goes far beyond many full-time commercial ventures. He's trying to get together a development house and funding to further his vision for NS, because guess what, it's hard to make a living on message board flames from selfish ingrates. Given your momentary pleasure at the project remaining just barely profitable balanced against the future of NS and the REAL LIFE livelihood of its creators, I think any sensible person would understand which weighs more.
Now, the problem is finding sensible people <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Firewater+Jan 1 2004, 12:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Jan 1 2004, 12:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> is there a new version of sven coop? I havent play that mod in so long! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, 3.0 came out this past weekend. It´s pretty great, you should join in the fun. You get to bhop, play with friends, etc. Swing by Ventrilo Server "nonoobs.com", "port: 1337" and play!
Not right now, though <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> , I just finished a 12 hour session of sven with some friends. Maybe later today.
<!--QuoteBegin--Roger Dodger+Jan 1 2004, 03:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roger Dodger @ Jan 1 2004, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I disagree that it's selling out but I also disagree that someone would pick NS over HL2 if they don't know NS. *shrug* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is that the other way round? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Which part?
I don't think it's selling out. I'm happy to pay for games that I enjoy and I think it's perfectly reasonable for Flayra to make a living out of his hard work.
I don't buy games unless I have some idea about them. I think the average gamer would know about HL but not necessarily NS. With that in mind, I think the average gamer is more likely, if given the choice, to buy HL2 than NS.
Maybe it was the "but" in the previous post which was confusing... should have said "and".
<!--QuoteBegin--Soberana+Jan 1 2004, 12:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soberana @ Jan 1 2004, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Firewater+Jan 1 2004, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Jan 1 2004, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--scooter-blue+Jan 1 2004, 07:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (scooter-blue @ Jan 1 2004, 07:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Epidemic+Jan 1 2004, 01:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Jan 1 2004, 01:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->LOL, Scooter did you create a second account?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh, I'm trying to figure out what you meant, but I'm having trouble entering the mindset of an F-tard.
If you meant you thought I was banned and then made a new account, I was never banned.
If you meant you thought TyrranzzX was an account I made to support myself, I didn't.
One thing that I love about this forum is the abundance of sheep that flame any poster that criticizes the development team or the community. Maybe I should start a mod so I can get the mass groupie love that flayra gets from his mindless followers. I'll bet he begins and ends every day with a ritual tongue bath from one of you Special Olympics runners up.
NS is a great game, and I thank the team for making it. I don't think the team "owes" me anything or that they aren't "allowed to take a holiday break." But the relationship between developer and community is more complicated than a unilateral charity donation: It's a reciprocal exchange of benefit. Do you think Flayra is making this mod out of some Santa Claus complex that compels him to spread joy to the world; to all the boys and girls? As evidenced by the number of people who have joined the constellation--which might more aptly be called the black hole, from which not even brief spending records can escape--and his recent trademark applications and newfound membership of the company-ending-with-"entertainment"-owner club, Flayra's interest in Natural Selection is more than an altruistic one. NS is Flayra's resumé; it's an investment the value of which is measured in terms of popularity.
This isn't his project for the school science fair, folks: He wants to do this in the real world, and there's going to be more pressure to hurry production on a corporate development team than any of my little forum posts could generate. Contrary to what many of you have said, he <i>is</i> getting paid to produce NS, whether it's in the form of hard cash from constellation or future earning potential from employers who would appreciate a coder who could maintain a project with a large fanbase.
Letting the NS team know that we don't appreciate missed release dates and a lack of regular updates is valuable feedback. These guys are still learning how to run things. The worst thing we can do is sit silent as the community gradually falls apart, which is what's happening now. If you don't like the way things are going, say so, or you're hurting the game's--and the development team's--future.
The point is that 3.0 has been delayed past its holiday season release date not in order to stamp out bugs (the majority of which have probably already been fixed in the unreleased build), but rather to buy time to find a buyer that can put NS retail on the shelves, and this in my view is unacceptable. To make matters worse, this was all done without any official explanation from the NS team. Flayra needs to change the way he's doing things. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dont you have some Brood War to play? Leave us alone, and go play that. Don't worry what people think about you, or saying on the forums about you, because you are leaving right? That is what leaving is all about, not caring and moving on. So why don't you stop being worthless, and go place your burden of your pseudo logic on the Battle.net forums. That sooner you get on that, the better <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So ironic to hear <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>YOU </span>tell him that. <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--scooter-blue+Jan 1 2004, 07:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (scooter-blue @ Jan 1 2004, 07:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The point is that 3.0 has been delayed past its holiday season release date not in order to stamp out bugs (the majority of which have probably already been fixed in the unreleased build), but rather to buy time to find a buyer that can put NS retail on the shelves, and this in my view is unacceptable. To make matters worse, this was all done without any official explanation from the NS team. Flayra needs to change the way he's doing things.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't really want to reply to this thread, but I've seen statements like this a few times and it really should be clarified.
NS 3.0 has 214 bug fixes (so far), a brand new gameplay mode, a new weapon, a new spectator mode, a new manual and full support for Steam. These are the reasons that NS 3.0 isn't out yet, not any commerical plans for NS.
Plain and simple. The balance is off in Classic because of changes for Combat. Combat has a whole mess of problems, the first of which, the game is repetitive and each side has a single track to victory. There are serious design and balance flaws that need to be addressed.
Max covered the rest. :-)
Also, the new weapon max mentioned (The nade) is unusable in its current incarnation. Theres still a lot to do.
<!--QuoteBegin--SageGaspar+Jan 1 2004, 12:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SageGaspar @ Jan 1 2004, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Damn, it's times like this when I'm glad I'm a lowly constie and not privy to any of this upper-echelon vet infighting <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not vet infighting, its PT v. VET. Course one second they are yelling at each other, the next second they are playing Svencoop. Just more proof of the power of SC. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Man there sure are a lot of NS players that play that too, I'm pretty surprised.
I really wish people would learn the difference between 'selling out' and getting an 'investment'.
Flay has started his own gaming company so he can get some rich dude to sink a lot of cash into the company, as an <b>investment</b>, from which Flayra will use the funds to feed himself, sleep on a bed, shower, and make a game.
Then, with the profits he gets from the game, he will pay back the investors (and intrest), and with the extra profits at the end he will hopefully have his own game.
WELCOME TO MAKING A BUISINESS IN AMERICA!
I mean, ****, some of you retards outta take a elementry school buisiness class or something, and learn how some of the most <i>basic</i> processes of buisiness work.
Flayra isn't 'selling out' like the CS developers did, because the CS programmers used CS as a way to JOIN AN EXISTING COMPANY, whereas <b>FLAY IS USING NS TO MAKE HIS OWN COMPANY, RATHER THAN BOW DOWN TO ANOTHER ONE</b>. He is NOT selling out in any form or fashion. So keep your pants on.
Phew, man, I had to say that... seriously some people just don't understand jack.
Other than that, great thread, I enjoyed reading it.
<!--QuoteBegin--Cold-NiTe+Jan 1 2004, 03:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Jan 1 2004, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--SageGaspar+Jan 1 2004, 12:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SageGaspar @ Jan 1 2004, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Damn, it's times like this when I'm glad I'm a lowly constie and not privy to any of this upper-echelon vet infighting <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not vet infighting, its PT v. VET. Course one second they are yelling at each other, the next second they are playing Svencoop. Just more proof of the power of SC. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Man there sure are a lot of NS players that play that too, I'm pretty surprised. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Firewater was a vet for the longest time before becoming a PT.
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Is that the other way round?
- RD
Our support? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> By playing the game (and of course constellation etc.)... There wouldn't be NS without the community.
Thou this might sound like a load of crap but thats how i feel.
Cheers...
-M
The release date has always been when it's done, they were hoping to have it out for Christmas but it just didn't happen.
<!--QuoteBegin--scooter-blue+Jan 1 2004, 12:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (scooter-blue @ Jan 1 2004, 12:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The point is that 3.0 has been delayed past its holiday season release date not in order to stamp out bugs (the majority of which have probably already been fixed in the unreleased build), but rather to buy time to find a buyer that can put NS retail on the shelves, and this in my view is unacceptable. To make matters worse, this was all done without any official explanation from the NS team. Flayra needs to change the way he's doing things.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your entire arguement is moot as this paragraph is wrong.
As someone who was looking to join Constellation after Yule, I'm more interested in the following statements:
1) NS is and will always be free (Constellation page)
2) After releasing NS into retail, we'd like to keep maintaining it (Unknown Worlds site)
Will this be the end of Constellation? Will this be "pay to beta test" only? If keeping NS as a mod, and building NS2, will NS be updated?
Again, though, some of this is business sensitive and we'll probably not find out until Flayra is ready.
Personally, good luck to Flayra and the teams. I disagree that it's selling out but I also disagree that someone would pick NS over HL2 if they don't know NS. *shrug* Marketing is the way forward to increase public knowledge but, let's face it, that's a business strategy.
Anyway, I'm still joining Constellation - this is one of the few games I'm happy to spend money on! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll take a stab at this using some old fashioned logic <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
NS will always be free and available as a mod for HL. Any retail will be in the same vein as DOD and CS. I'd imagine NS will still get supported but this wil get scaled back as a) NS2 takes over and b) it needs less doing with it.
Constellation will still continue, I see no reason why you will not always be able to donate and receive an icon in NS. <b>Nowhere</b> has Flayra said that consties will beta test future patches. This beta test was to say thanks and enable a bigger player base to test it. TBH it looks like this will be the last big patch anyway.
Any retail sales will go towards funding development of NS2, which I would imagine will be developed as a game in its own right rather then a mod i.e. if they can they'll license an engine although i'm unaware of the costs involved. TBH, this one line is very exciting:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS is first contact, NS2 will be the war...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Woot!!
People should be more patient.
Cheers...
-M
Newsflash <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Next time at least say SOMETHING when you miss your expected holiday season release date. LIE, MAKE SOMETHING UP: ANYTHING. Don't just sit silent as you backstab your patiently waiting fans.
If I had known NS 3.0 is being delayed as they find investors for a retail release I would have quit NS a long F-ing time ago.
Bye NS. Hello Broodwar. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=58038' target='_blank'>Ohh look</a>
though i'd just show this strange two-opinions-at-once <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also, the community isn't breaking apart, but these threads will be the agents of such destruction. Point is, despite your good intentions, these threads are not conducive to the community at all.
Next time at least say SOMETHING when you miss your expected holiday season release date. LIE, MAKE SOMETHING UP: ANYTHING. Don't just sit silent as you backstab your patiently waiting fans.
If I had known NS 3.0 is being delayed as they find investors for a retail release I would have quit NS a long F-ing time ago.
Bye NS. Hello Broodwar.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<sarcasm>Damn you for being successful NS! Damn you to hell! I wanted the NS dev team to stay starving artists and only have NS played by a few people because that would make me ECLECTIC and COOL! But now even average know-nothing schmoes will be able to play NS! The horror!</sarcasm>
But seriously, I'm disappointed too, as are many people, but grow up...nobody owes you anything. By the way, did you just make that up or is it actually written somewhere, because I can't find any mention of this?
Uh, I'm trying to figure out what you meant, but I'm having trouble entering the mindset of an F-tard.
If you meant you thought I was banned and then made a new account, I was never banned.
If you meant you thought TyrranzzX was an account I made to support myself, I didn't.
One thing that I love about this forum is the abundance of sheep that flame any poster that criticizes the development team or the community. Maybe I should start a mod so I can get the mass groupie love that flayra gets from his mindless followers. I'll bet he begins and ends every day with a ritual tongue bath from one of you Special Olympics runners up.
NS is a great game, and I thank the team for making it. I don't think the team "owes" me anything or that they aren't "allowed to take a holiday break." But the relationship between developer and community is more complicated than a unilateral charity donation: It's a reciprocal exchange of benefit. Do you think Flayra is making this mod out of some Santa Claus complex that compels him to spread joy to the world; to all the boys and girls? As evidenced by the number of people who have joined the constellation--which might more aptly be called the black hole, from which not even brief spending records can escape--and his recent trademark applications and newfound membership of the company-ending-with-"entertainment"-owner club, Flayra's interest in Natural Selection is more than an altruistic one. NS is Flayra's resumé; it's an investment the value of which is measured in terms of popularity.
This isn't his project for the school science fair, folks: He wants to do this in the real world, and there's going to be more pressure to hurry production on a corporate development team than any of my little forum posts could generate. Contrary to what many of you have said, he <i>is</i> getting paid to produce NS, whether it's in the form of hard cash from constellation or future earning potential from employers who would appreciate a coder who could maintain a project with a large fanbase.
Letting the NS team know that we don't appreciate missed release dates and a lack of regular updates is valuable feedback. These guys are still learning how to run things. The worst thing we can do is sit silent as the community gradually falls apart, which is what's happening now. If you don't like the way things are going, say so, or you're hurting the game's--and the development team's--future.
The point is that 3.0 has been delayed past its holiday season release date not in order to stamp out bugs (the majority of which have probably already been fixed in the unreleased build), but rather to buy time to find a buyer that can put NS retail on the shelves, and this in my view is unacceptable. To make matters worse, this was all done without any official explanation from the NS team. Flayra needs to change the way he's doing things. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dont you have some Brood War to play? Leave us alone, and go play that. Don't worry what people think about you, or saying on the forums about you, because you are leaving right? That is what leaving is all about, not caring and moving on. So why don't you stop being worthless, and go place your burden of your pseudo logic on the Battle.net forums. That sooner you get on that, the better <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Uh, I'm trying to figure out what you meant, but I'm having trouble entering the mindset of an F-tard.
If you meant you thought I was banned and then made a new account, I was never banned.
If you meant you thought TyrranzzX was an account I made to support myself, I didn't.
One thing that I love about this forum is the abundance of sheep that flame any poster that criticizes the development team or the community. Maybe I should start a mod so I can get the mass groupie love that flayra gets from his mindless followers. I'll bet he begins and ends every day with a ritual tongue bath from one of you Special Olympics runners up.
NS is a great game, and I thank the team for making it. I don't think the team "owes" me anything or that they aren't "allowed to take a holiday break." But the relationship between developer and community is more complicated than a unilateral charity donation: It's a reciprocal exchange of benefit. Do you think Flayra is making this mod out of some Santa Claus complex that compels him to spread joy to the world; to all the boys and girls? As evidenced by the number of people who have joined the constellation--which might more aptly be called the black hole, from which not even brief spending records can escape--and his recent trademark applications and newfound membership of the company-ending-with-"entertainment"-owner club, Flayra's interest in Natural Selection is more than an altruistic one. NS is Flayra's resumé; it's an investment the value of which is measured in terms of popularity.
This isn't his project for the school science fair, folks: He wants to do this in the real world, and there's going to be more pressure to hurry production on a corporate development team than any of my little forum posts could generate. Contrary to what many of you have said, he <i>is</i> getting paid to produce NS, whether it's in the form of hard cash from constellation or future earning potential from employers who would appreciate a coder who could maintain a project with a large fanbase.
Letting the NS team know that we don't appreciate missed release dates and a lack of regular updates is valuable feedback. These guys are still learning how to run things. The worst thing we can do is sit silent as the community gradually falls apart, which is what's happening now. If you don't like the way things are going, say so, or you're hurting the game's--and the development team's--future.
The point is that 3.0 has been delayed past its holiday season release date not in order to stamp out bugs (the majority of which have probably already been fixed in the unreleased build), but rather to buy time to find a buyer that can put NS retail on the shelves, and this in my view is unacceptable. To make matters worse, this was all done without any official explanation from the NS team. Flayra needs to change the way he's doing things. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dont you have some Brood War to play? Leave us alone, and go play that. Don't worry what people think about you, or saying on the forums about you, because you are leaving right? That is what leaving is all about, not caring and moving on. So why don't you stop being worthless, and go place your burden of your pseudo logic on the Battle.net forums. That sooner you get on that, the better <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So ironic to hear <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>YOU </span>tell him that. <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->
Here is how I see it, the longer 3.0 takes the better. The game will be better quality, and all the idiots who play it will get mad an leave, so that only those of use who want to see this game become truly great will be left. Just one day I want to read the first page of the forums without seeing OMGOMGOMGOMG NS IS NOT DONE I QUIT! (I refuse to do any more than the OMG in "leet") topics taking up 1/2 the page. This just proves how many spolied children are on these forums.
So <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>YOU</span> started a general discussion thread in why you were leaving? Wow gimme a break, I made one in the vet forums when I first got cut because I was 15 and inmature, but aren?t you 23 and supposed to be mature? Does it all have to be everything about you? Seems like you have to excuse yourself for everything you do, tell us things, and act wiser-than-thou sir.my-college-teacher-said-something-funny-in-class. Gimme a break, John.
What have you done that I haven?t to help this tiny mod?
Thats right, <b>NOTHING.</b>
Being in sYn doesnt count btw.
But you are right, I did nothing, thats why I moved over to the PT group right? Once again the ignornace of a child is seeping through in your post.
Now what did you contribute to NS? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But you are right, I did nothing, thats why I moved over to the PT group right? Once again the ignornace of a child is seeping through in your post.
Now what did you contribute to NS? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
mmm... lets see. Well this one time in a co_ pub I killed a fade with my knife.
Does that count?
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>D:</span>
Nah, I guess you win John. You win the e-coolness award. Here?s your e-cookie, e-friendship, and e-appraisal.
You were always the cool guy John, always. One thing I dont suggest is calling ME a child seeing how you tend to act some times.
p.s: wanna svencoop?
Seriously though, any player of NS who's not very enthused for both the community and Flayra about NS going retail needs to get their heads checked. Video games with half the longevity and twice the amount of bugs sell for $50. For $20, you could be playing a beta test that is on the level of most commercial releases in terms of stability. For free, you can play a great game and wait for the next version to come out. I don't foresee that changing.
Flayra is still developing the game because, surprise surprise, Flayra really enjoys it. He and the rest of the NS crew have displayed a dedication that stands above greed and goes far beyond many full-time commercial ventures. He's trying to get together a development house and funding to further his vision for NS, because guess what, it's hard to make a living on message board flames from selfish ingrates. Given your momentary pleasure at the project remaining just barely profitable balanced against the future of NS and the REAL LIFE livelihood of its creators, I think any sensible person would understand which weighs more.
Now, the problem is finding sensible people <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
is there a new version of sven coop? I havent play that mod in so long!
www.svencoop.com/files.php
Get it plus the map packs.
Heres another e-goboost cookie.
Lets play some svencoop later, john.
Yeah, 3.0 came out this past weekend. It´s pretty great, you should join in the fun. You get to bhop, play with friends, etc.
Swing by Ventrilo Server "nonoobs.com", "port: 1337" and play!
Not right now, though <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> , I just finished a 12 hour session of sven with some friends. Maybe later today.
Is that the other way round?
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Which part?
I don't think it's selling out. I'm happy to pay for games that I enjoy and I think it's perfectly reasonable for Flayra to make a living out of his hard work.
I don't buy games unless I have some idea about them. I think the average gamer would know about HL but not necessarily NS. With that in mind, I think the average gamer is more likely, if given the choice, to buy HL2 than NS.
Maybe it was the "but" in the previous post which was confusing... should have said "and".
*shrug*
Uh, I'm trying to figure out what you meant, but I'm having trouble entering the mindset of an F-tard.
If you meant you thought I was banned and then made a new account, I was never banned.
If you meant you thought TyrranzzX was an account I made to support myself, I didn't.
One thing that I love about this forum is the abundance of sheep that flame any poster that criticizes the development team or the community. Maybe I should start a mod so I can get the mass groupie love that flayra gets from his mindless followers. I'll bet he begins and ends every day with a ritual tongue bath from one of you Special Olympics runners up.
NS is a great game, and I thank the team for making it. I don't think the team "owes" me anything or that they aren't "allowed to take a holiday break." But the relationship between developer and community is more complicated than a unilateral charity donation: It's a reciprocal exchange of benefit. Do you think Flayra is making this mod out of some Santa Claus complex that compels him to spread joy to the world; to all the boys and girls? As evidenced by the number of people who have joined the constellation--which might more aptly be called the black hole, from which not even brief spending records can escape--and his recent trademark applications and newfound membership of the company-ending-with-"entertainment"-owner club, Flayra's interest in Natural Selection is more than an altruistic one. NS is Flayra's resumé; it's an investment the value of which is measured in terms of popularity.
This isn't his project for the school science fair, folks: He wants to do this in the real world, and there's going to be more pressure to hurry production on a corporate development team than any of my little forum posts could generate. Contrary to what many of you have said, he <i>is</i> getting paid to produce NS, whether it's in the form of hard cash from constellation or future earning potential from employers who would appreciate a coder who could maintain a project with a large fanbase.
Letting the NS team know that we don't appreciate missed release dates and a lack of regular updates is valuable feedback. These guys are still learning how to run things. The worst thing we can do is sit silent as the community gradually falls apart, which is what's happening now. If you don't like the way things are going, say so, or you're hurting the game's--and the development team's--future.
The point is that 3.0 has been delayed past its holiday season release date not in order to stamp out bugs (the majority of which have probably already been fixed in the unreleased build), but rather to buy time to find a buyer that can put NS retail on the shelves, and this in my view is unacceptable. To make matters worse, this was all done without any official explanation from the NS team. Flayra needs to change the way he's doing things. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dont you have some Brood War to play? Leave us alone, and go play that. Don't worry what people think about you, or saying on the forums about you, because you are leaving right? That is what leaving is all about, not caring and moving on. So why don't you stop being worthless, and go place your burden of your pseudo logic on the Battle.net forums. That sooner you get on that, the better <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So ironic to hear <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>YOU </span>tell him that. <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><b>XD</span></b>
I didn't really want to reply to this thread, but I've seen statements like this a few times and it really should be clarified.
NS 3.0 has 214 bug fixes (so far), a brand new gameplay mode, a new weapon, a new spectator mode, a new manual and full support for Steam. These are the reasons that NS 3.0 isn't out yet, not any commerical plans for NS.
Max
Plain and simple. The balance is off in Classic because of changes for Combat. Combat has a whole mess of problems, the first of which, the game is repetitive and each side has a single track to victory. There are serious design and balance flaws that need to be addressed.
Max covered the rest. :-)
Also, the new weapon max mentioned (The nade) is unusable in its current incarnation. Theres still a lot to do.
It's not vet infighting, its PT v. VET. Course one second they are yelling at each other, the next second they are playing Svencoop. Just more proof of the power of SC. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Man there sure are a lot of NS players that play that too, I'm pretty surprised.
Flay has started his own gaming company so he can get some rich dude to sink a lot of cash into the company, as an <b>investment</b>, from which Flayra will use the funds to feed himself, sleep on a bed, shower, and make a game.
Then, with the profits he gets from the game, he will pay back the investors (and intrest), and with the extra profits at the end he will hopefully have his own game.
WELCOME TO MAKING A BUISINESS IN AMERICA!
I mean, ****, some of you retards outta take a elementry school buisiness class or something, and learn how some of the most <i>basic</i> processes of buisiness work.
Flayra isn't 'selling out' like the CS developers did, because the CS programmers used CS as a way to JOIN AN EXISTING COMPANY, whereas <b>FLAY IS USING NS TO MAKE HIS OWN COMPANY, RATHER THAN BOW DOWN TO ANOTHER ONE</b>. He is NOT selling out in any form or fashion. So keep your pants on.
Phew, man, I had to say that... seriously some people just don't understand jack.
Other than that, great thread, I enjoyed reading it.
It's not vet infighting, its PT v. VET. Course one second they are yelling at each other, the next second they are playing Svencoop. Just more proof of the power of SC. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Man there sure are a lot of NS players that play that too, I'm pretty surprised. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Firewater was a vet for the longest time before becoming a PT.