<!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Jan 1 2004, 09:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Jan 1 2004, 09:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> War is what happens when we get involved in the suffering of others - is it a good year for you when no one does anything and the miserable and oppressed suffer and die in silence, as they have done year after year of "peace", of the "good" years? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> War is actually what happens when people send other people somewhere to suffer and cause suffering for them. An event that by its nature requires the death of participants (and possibly bystanders as well) cannot, and should not be listed as "good", no matter what its cause was.
Good things of 2003: Managed to organize 3 club parties this year, and people there seemed to enjoy themselves The last LOTR movie finally came out I.Corax released 3 albums of extremely high quality dark ambient - and sold copies of all of them for a grand total of 20e on their website
Bad things of 2003: Relationship status: awful Wars - Iraq, Chechenya, Liberia... so damn many Italy's mercifully short stint as the chairman country (or however it's said) of European Union - screw you Mr. Berlusconi
<!--QuoteBegin--Scinet+Jan 2 2004, 08:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scinet @ Jan 2 2004, 08:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> War is actually what happens when people send other people somewhere to suffer and cause suffering for them. An event that by its nature requires the death of participants (and possibly bystanders as well) cannot, and should not be listed as "good", no matter what its cause was. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Allowing preventable evil such as war to happen is morally justified if it is for the greater good. Sometimes you need to kill to save people and prevent bad people from doing things - the real problem comes when you dont agree with their definition of greater good/who's the bad guy/if they can even achieve this.
I still find it insane that you put that war down as bad automatically - as if the year would have been better without it. As if a year without the casting down of a bloodthirsty tyrant would somehow have made it better. People like this need to be taken down - it aint fun doing it, but it has to be done. Why does that make it bad?
Thats like putting down "innoculations" as a "bad" thing for 2003. Why is it bad? Cause you had to have a needle and it hurt? Sometimes, no pain - no gain.
<!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Jan 2 2004, 06:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Jan 2 2004, 06:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I still find it insane that you put that war down as bad automatically - as if the year would have been better without it. As if a year without the casting down of a bloodthirsty tyrant would somehow have made it better. People like this need to be taken down - it aint fun doing it, but it has to be done. Why does that make it bad? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I take it that you are referring to the war in Iraq? What about other wars? Are they worse because you don't know or can't tell who's supposed to be the good guy?
War may have some good consequences (to be nasty, it always has good economic consequences), but with that comes such a payload of misery, that there is no way war as an event can be thought of as good. If it's your home being blown apart, it really doesn't matter if the grenade was thrown by a knight in shining armour. It still remains very unfunny.
Also, the innoculation analogy was not very functional. Innoculations do not kill people and then claim they're cured.
I am referring specifically to the war in Iraq, as I believe most other people in this thread are - I'd probably agree with you on most other counts of war.
They are worse in my opinion (and thats the crux of this - in my opinion/your opinion/anyones opinion), these other wars, but thats because I cant see anything good coming out of them.
Of course for the sufferers of war it all sucks, no doubt about it, and I feel sorry for them.
I feel the innoculation arguement is perfectly functional. You suffer short term pain now (war) for long term protection against disease (peace/freedom). Now when you're a kid, you really cant see this. Your Mom wants you to get injected for benefits you cant really see - you dont want it to happen. But it does anyway, and in the long term it turns out for the best. When you are older, and knowing what you know about innoculations, you really dont see them as bad things. Just necessary evils for the greater good.
Thats the way I view the current war in Iraq - in the short term soldiers and civilians alike die in some pretty horrible ways, but at the end of the day, it will be better for Iraq.
Good: - Began a rock band - Moved to a new school - FINALY finished FFX - Jumped a year when entered new school (was in 9th grade at old school and now I'm in 11th at new school)
Bad: - USA started accusing Brazil on having nukes - USA forced Brazilians to take photos and fingerprints when going to US - New school forced to have religion class - Virus entered my computer and been buggy ever since - Began IB Diploma program - USA started accusing Brazil on having nukes - USA forced Brazilians to take photos and fingerprints when going to US
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<!--QuoteBegin--P-Khan+Jan 2 2004, 09:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (P-Khan @ Jan 2 2004, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Bad: - USA started accusing Brazil on having nukes - USA forced Brazilians to take photos and fingerprints when going to US - <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> dual citizienship here I come!
Good: -New House (Actually getting it this January, but meh!) -Started watching Trading Spaces, found out Paige Davis is hawt. Shut up. -Realizing people in general are so very ignorant and must be treated as such. -Found my new favorite band, Project 86.
Bad: -Listening to political discussions on the internet. -Politics infecting all that was good and pure (Kristen Durst is a Democrat, why God did I need to know this?) -The growth of redundant arguments with baseless claims and phantom statistics, ignorance in general (See today's <a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com' target='_blank'>Penny Arcade</a> commentary from Tycho for an extrapolated explination). Which has only multiplied times over due to this wonderful thing called the intarweb.
Good: Lord of the rings trilogy, best trilogy ever. I turned legal, and visited the strip club <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Good year for console games
Bad: Matrix movies, think the Wack-offsky brothers took a mental crap on the last two movies. Bad year for pc games (ie. no doom3 and no halflife 2)
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War is actually what happens when people send other people somewhere to suffer and cause suffering for them. An event that by its nature requires the death of participants (and possibly bystanders as well) cannot, and should not be listed as "good", no matter what its cause was.
Good things of 2003:
Managed to organize 3 club parties this year, and people there seemed to enjoy themselves
The last LOTR movie finally came out
I.Corax released 3 albums of extremely high quality dark ambient - and sold copies of all of them for a grand total of 20e on their website
Bad things of 2003:
Relationship status: awful
Wars - Iraq, Chechenya, Liberia... so damn many
Italy's mercifully short stint as the chairman country (or however it's said) of European Union - screw you Mr. Berlusconi
Allowing preventable evil such as war to happen is morally justified if it is for the greater good. Sometimes you need to kill to save people and prevent bad people from doing things - the real problem comes when you dont agree with their definition of greater good/who's the bad guy/if they can even achieve this.
I still find it insane that you put that war down as bad automatically - as if the year would have been better without it. As if a year without the casting down of a bloodthirsty tyrant would somehow have made it better. People like this need to be taken down - it aint fun doing it, but it has to be done. Why does that make it bad?
Thats like putting down "innoculations" as a "bad" thing for 2003. Why is it bad? Cause you had to have a needle and it hurt? Sometimes, no pain - no gain.
Matrix: Reloaded / Revolutions.
Anger Management Tour. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Bad:
cba to think
I take it that you are referring to the war in Iraq? What about other wars? Are they worse because you don't know or can't tell who's supposed to be the good guy?
War may have some good consequences (to be nasty, it always has good economic consequences), but with that comes such a payload of misery, that there is no way war as an event can be thought of as good. If it's your home being blown apart, it really doesn't matter if the grenade was thrown by a knight in shining armour. It still remains very unfunny.
Also, the innoculation analogy was not very functional. Innoculations do not kill people and then claim they're cured.
They are worse in my opinion (and thats the crux of this - in my opinion/your opinion/anyones opinion), these other wars, but thats because I cant see anything good coming out of them.
Of course for the sufferers of war it all sucks, no doubt about it, and I feel sorry for them.
I feel the innoculation arguement is perfectly functional. You suffer short term pain now (war) for long term protection against disease (peace/freedom). Now when you're a kid, you really cant see this. Your Mom wants you to get injected for benefits you cant really see - you dont want it to happen. But it does anyway, and in the long term it turns out for the best. When you are older, and knowing what you know about innoculations, you really dont see them as bad things. Just necessary evils for the greater good.
Thats the way I view the current war in Iraq - in the short term soldiers and civilians alike die in some pretty horrible ways, but at the end of the day, it will be better for Iraq.
- Began a rock band
- Moved to a new school
- FINALY finished FFX
- Jumped a year when entered new school (was in 9th grade at old school and now I'm in 11th at new school)
Bad:
- USA started accusing Brazil on having nukes
- USA forced Brazilians to take photos and fingerprints when going to US
- New school forced to have religion class
- Virus entered my computer and been buggy ever since
- Began IB Diploma program
- USA started accusing Brazil on having nukes
- USA forced Brazilians to take photos and fingerprints when going to US
Bad:
- USA started accusing Brazil on having nukes
- USA forced Brazilians to take photos and fingerprints when going to US
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dual citizienship here I come!
And that is.....
-New House (Actually getting it this January, but meh!)
-Started watching Trading Spaces, found out Paige Davis is hawt. Shut up.
-Realizing people in general are so very ignorant and must be treated as such.
-Found my new favorite band, Project 86.
Bad:
-Listening to political discussions on the internet.
-Politics infecting all that was good and pure (Kristen Durst is a Democrat, why God did I need to know this?)
-The growth of redundant arguments with baseless claims and phantom statistics, ignorance in general (See today's <a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com' target='_blank'>Penny Arcade</a> commentary from Tycho for an extrapolated explination). Which has only multiplied times over due to this wonderful thing called the intarweb.
. All of the LOTR movies, especially ROTK
. Call of Duty
. My new PC
. Catching Saddam
Bad:
. All of the ignorance
. Matrix Movies
. Any game award show last year (there were two)
. My tortoise dying
Lord of the rings trilogy, best trilogy ever.
I turned legal, and visited the strip club <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Good year for console games
Bad:
Matrix movies, think the Wack-offsky brothers took a mental crap on the last two movies.
Bad year for pc games (ie. no doom3 and no halflife 2)