The Scouring of the Shire was NOT filmed in the sense that you'd like it to be, the scene that was filmed was the one shown in Galadriels mirror in Lothlorien, when she speaks of the things 'that may yet come to pass', when you see the hobbits enslaved and chained together in a ruined shire. It is even noted in an interview that this was the 'nod' to that chapter of the book that jackson felt was deserved, since it would not be put in the movie.
<!--QuoteBegin--xioutlawix+Dec 21 2003, 03:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xioutlawix @ Dec 21 2003, 03:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The Scouring of the Shire was NOT filmed in the sense that you'd like it to be, the scene that was filmed was the one shown in Galadriels mirror in Lothlorien, when she speaks of the things 'that may yet come to pass', when you see the hobbits enslaved and chained together in a ruined shire. It is even noted in an interview that this was the 'nod' to that chapter of the book that jackson felt was deserved, since it would not be put in the movie. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Fine it wasn't filmed <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> even though what you seen in Galadriels mirrior is nothing like what the scouring of the shire was about in the book......hobbits in chains, with orcs wipping them and buring the houses, none of that happens in the book.
Well you never know. The Scourging of the Shrine in the book is after Saruman lost all his power and glory and armies so what you could be seeing is what it would have looked like had Saruman won*
*become slave to Sauron
Anyways I just got back from seeing it. I feel that it will be the best movie I have seen all year. I strangly didn't feel like Jackson had left out explnatioons for Frodo's departure or any of the others. Maybe I have just read the books too many times.
but when legolas did his whole rapage thing that reminded me of 1 thing EMPIRE STRIKES BACK with luke and sorts
and the big giant drummers reminded me of Army of Darkness
so wewt great movie but why didnt elrond clone himself an army?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--><!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->?
<!--QuoteBegin--V-MAN+Dec 20 2003, 10:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ Dec 20 2003, 10:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--xioutlawix+Dec 21 2003, 03:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xioutlawix @ Dec 21 2003, 03:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The Scouring of the Shire was NOT filmed in the sense that you'd like it to be, the scene that was filmed was the one shown in Galadriels mirror in Lothlorien, when she speaks of the things 'that may yet come to pass', when you see the hobbits enslaved and chained together in a ruined shire. It is even noted in an interview that this was the 'nod' to that chapter of the book that jackson felt was deserved, since it would not be put in the movie. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Fine it wasn't filmed <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> even though what you seen in Galadriels mirrior is nothing like what the scouring of the shire was about in the book......hobbits in chains, with orcs wipping them and buring the houses, none of that happens in the book. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Correct, hence it was a 'nod' to what happens in the scouring of the shire.
Once again, IT WAS NEVER FILMED OR INTENDED TO BE IN IT.
Watch the two towers extended edition directors commentary for your definitive answer.
<!--QuoteBegin--enf0rcer+Dec 16 2003, 09:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (enf0rcer @ Dec 16 2003, 09:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The perfect ending for me would've been : Aragon becoming king> Boat leaving with Gandalf, Frodo, Bilbo, etc > the other hobbits watching the boat go off into the distance> fade to black.
4.5/5 just because i was getting grumpy at the end. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just, <i>just</i> saw it, and this is pretty much how I'm feeling.
I absolutely frigging loved every part of it except the drawn out feeling I got at the end.
I've been wondering and im way to lazy to go back and read the back again right now...WAS THERE ELVES AT HELMS DEEP?? ive been wondering about this for a year...I didnt think there was and then i seen the movies i was like W T F?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->?
<!--QuoteBegin--kuperaye+Dec 21 2003, 01:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kuperaye @ Dec 21 2003, 01:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> in the movies the elves help out at helms deep
I've been wondering and im way to lazy to go back and read the back again right now...WAS THERE ELVES AT HELMS DEEP?? ive been wondering about this for a year...I didnt think there was and then i seen the movies i was like W T F?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> OOPS i meant to say in the BOOK did they...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The scouring of the shire was mentioned in this interview...... dunno how I could missunderstood that.
Just because YOU have not heard of this part of the story being filmed does not mean it wasn't. The fact is IT was filmed and if it will be added into the special edition (which I really hope it will because it has the death of Sauraman in) only time will tell. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It was never ever filmed. Period. If you can find a single piece of evidence to support your belief that it was filmed, then please share it with us.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've been wondering and im way to lazy to go back and read the back again right now...WAS THERE ELVES AT HELMS DEEP?? ive been wondering about this for a year...I didnt think there was and then i seen the movies i was like W T F?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In the books, the elves don't help out at Helms Deep. In fact, the elves do pretty much nothing. They give the Fellowship some items, like the soil Sam uses to regrow the Shire trees or the Light of Elendil that Frodo uses in his battle with Shelob. They turn up <i>after</i> Sauron has been defeated and say "Well you all did a nice job, BYE" and bugger off across the sea. Frankly, the elves in the books come across as ****. I'm very happy that there were elves at Helms Deep: it gave the battle a lot more significance and re-inforced ideas such as friendship and union. The idea supposed to come through is that Sauron threatens everything, and as such, all Middle-Earth must fight against him. In the books, even the dwarves fight in the north against Sauron-allied forces, though you only see that in the appendix to RoTK. In the books as well there were around 2,000 men at Helms Deep and the orcs had the fighting power of wet noodles. That doesn't make for much of a fight.
By including the elves in the battle of Helms Deep and hopefully in the Battle of Pellanor Fields as well (though I havn't seen RoTK), you can see that the elves actually do help out, as opposed to sitting on the sidelines whinging. You get a strong sense that these guys are on the side of good and are willing to help out their allies of old.
Well i liked the book for what it was...and they already leave out enough stuff in the movies...but adding to it?!?! What the crap is that....Adding parts to it for...thats just stupid...The movie ITSELF is freaking awesome yes...But when you compare it to the book and how things go in the book compared to how it goes in the movie its just stupid...also i didnt like the fact that they made it in the first one...from when frodo got the ring till he leaves is really 30-40 years(i know it was longer than the few days they made it seem in the movie)oh well....when i get to thinking about all the stuff they changed i get mad...but when i look at the movie for what it is its just freaking awesome movie...but come on if your going to copy someones work at least do it right...i know its not possible not to add everything little thing but it is possible to not add extra parts
I'm going to say this out in the open. I really don't think the books are all that good.
*runs from legions of Tolkien fan-boys*
Tolkien was a great writer in that he was able to visualise a world like Middle-Earth, and appeal to deep-rooted human sentiments like personal sacrifice and the power of the individual. Tolkien was a terrible writer in that the LoTR is filled with pointless and annoying stuff, and so much of the rather good story is covered by poetry and flowery language. I've read the books 6 times now, and every time it gets harder and harder.
Personally, I think that Jackson's version of the story is much better. It does away with so much of the unneeded details, adds in things that I feel work really well in the story and delivers it all in a way that has you walking out of the cinema going "WOW. What a story".
I like detail ^^..I liked the movies they were awesome...But i still like the book......The movie makes alot more sence if you have read the books...Ive heard from alot of ppl that havnt read the books...they have to watch the movie 2-3 times for it to make since.
<!--QuoteBegin--V-MAN+Dec 20 2003, 08:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ Dec 20 2003, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So the actors that played Merry and Pip were telling lies when they were interviewed by Jonathan Ross on TV prior to the release of TTT last year? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe they went to reshoot the part where they all ride into the shire on the horses.....ever think it was that part?
<!--QuoteBegin--supernorn2000+Dec 21 2003, 03:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (supernorn2000 @ Dec 21 2003, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--V-MAN+Dec 20 2003, 08:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ Dec 20 2003, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So the actors that played Merry and Pip were telling lies when they were interviewed by Jonathan Ross on TV prior to the release of TTT last year? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe they went to reshoot the part where they all ride into the shire on the horses.....ever think it was that part? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah maybe, but the scottish one said they were going to film something for the scouring of the shire sceen <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I cba arguing about this anymore it's retarded, I know what I heard and saw you lot can argue that I'm wrong till your blue in the face for all I care lol if they put it in the special edition next year then yay if they don't they don't all I know is I will buy it regardless cos it will have a ton of extra stuff in anyway just like the previous two <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> .
I saw it and all I can say is that it was BREATHTAKING!!! WOW!!
Nobody's mentioned the absolute coolest shot in the movie; when <span style='font-size:22pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:yellow'>SPOILER</span></span> the Eye explodes and sends a shockwave out; it blows all the falling rocks in the other direction and knocks down ALL the orcs... and then as they run the floor collapses under them... haha that part was the BEST!
<!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Dec 21 2003, 05:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Dec 21 2003, 05:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Personally, I think that Jackson's version of the story is much better. It does away with so much of the unneeded details, adds in things that I feel work really well in the story and delivers it all in a way that has you walking out of the cinema going "WOW. What a story". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll second that one. The movies basically just take out the stuff that I turned a blind eye to in the book (+ a few scenes), and by doing so, is more enjoyable.
Did anyone else notice that Aragorn changed voice intonations/acting styles midway through the series? Please tell me I didn't imagine that.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Windelkron+Dec 21 2003, 07:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Dec 21 2003, 07:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I saw it and all I can say is that it was BREATHTAKING!!! WOW!!
Nobody's mentioned the absolute coolest shot in the movie; when <span style='font-size:22pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:yellow'>SPOILER</span></span> the Eye explodes and sends a shockwave out; it blows all the falling rocks in the other direction and knocks down ALL the orcs... and then as they run the floor collapses under them... haha that part was the BEST! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> OH <span style='color:orange'>****</span> YEAH... oh gawd... so awesome.
when <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:yellow'>SPOILER</span></span> the tower is crumbling but the eye explodes and BLASTS the rocks away when it implodes... ohhh sweeeee...
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<!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Dec 21 2003, 10:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Dec 21 2003, 10:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm going to say this out in the open. I really don't think the books are all that good.
*runs from legions of Tolkien fan-boys*
Tolkien was a great writer in that he was able to visualise a world like Middle-Earth, and appeal to deep-rooted human sentiments like personal sacrifice and the power of the individual. Tolkien was a terrible writer in that the LoTR is filled with pointless and annoying stuff, and so much of the rather good story is covered by poetry and flowery language. I've read the books 6 times now, and every time it gets harder and harder.
Personally, I think that Jackson's version of the story is much better. It does away with so much of the unneeded details, adds in things that I feel work really well in the story and delivers it all in a way that has you walking out of the cinema going "WOW. What a story". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> hehe, well said.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Dec 21 2003, 03:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Dec 21 2003, 03:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tolkien was a great writer... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, Tolkien's a pretty bad writer. He adds SO much unessecary crap everywhere, like the songs for example, and it draws everything out too long. It was a chore getting through some chapters of the books. The Hobbit's better than the Trilogy. The Trilogy, quiet frankly, is pretty bland. They're still good books, alot better than the movies, but at times... just bleh.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally, I think that Jackson's version of the story is much better. It does away with so much of the unneeded details, adds in things that I feel work really well in the story and delivers it all in a way that has you walking out of the cinema going "WOW. What a story".<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Jackson removed key things that'd be fun to watch, and instead added 15+ minutes of Helicopter Shots.
<!--QuoteBegin--taboofires+Dec 21 2003, 02:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (taboofires @ Dec 21 2003, 02:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Did anyone else notice that Aragorn changed voice intonations/acting styles midway through the series? Please tell me I didn't imagine that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, He needed to change because instead of being a ranger and stuff like that he was made into a king..so he was spose to change...at least i got that from the book...and it made since in the movie to
Best line in the movie was <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>SPOILER</span></span> "Not if I stick you first!" Wouldn't it just suck to end up in the orc afterlife and:
"How'd you die?" "I was shot through the head by an elvish arrow during the battle of Helms Deep!" "How'd you die?" "I was run through by a human Ranger during the battle of Minas Tirith!" "How'd you die?" "A hobbit stabbed me..." *All orcs laugh* "He snuck up on me from behind!" *All orcs laugh harder* "He had two swords! And one of them glowed!" *All orcs laugh even harder, and one dies again from laughing to hard*
Hehehe, or when Legeolas manages to kill that elephant thingy *awesome the way he did it*, then slides down the trunk as it falls. Gimlee turns to him and says "It still only counts as one!!!"
(Legeolas and gimlee compete for most kills btw, as elves and dwarfs sre not the best of friends genreally)
Also, me and my friends ONLY just noticed during this movie *probably because of reloaded and revolutions* that that black haired elf was Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith). Like OMG nubness!
<!--QuoteBegin--Renegade+Dec 21 2003, 06:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Dec 21 2003, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Best line in the movie was <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>SPOILER</span></span> "Not if I stick you first!" Wouldn't it just suck to end up in the orc afterlife and:
"How'd you die?" "I was shot through the head by an elvish arrow during the battle of Helms Deep!" "How'd you die?" "I was run through by a human Ranger during the battle of Minas Tirith!" "How'd you die?" "A hobbit stabbed me..." *All orcs laugh* "He snuck up on me from behind!" *All orcs laugh harder* "He had two swords! And one of them glowed!" *All orcs laugh even harder, and one dies again from laughing to hard* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually according to the book that 'glowing' sword is one of the best goblin (or orc... I forget) killing swoards in all of middle earth, in actuality the orc who go killed by the hobbit would have just been one of many casualties from the swoard.
Back on topic:
The movie was one of the best I've ever seen in my life.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->QUOTE (Ryo-Ohki @ Dec 21 2003, 03:57 AM) Tolkien was a great writer...
Actually, Tolkien's a pretty bad writer. He adds SO much unessecary crap everywhere, like the songs for example, and it draws everything out too long. It was a chore getting through some chapters of the books. The Hobbit's better than the Trilogy. The Trilogy, quiet frankly, is pretty bland. They're still good books, alot better than the movies, but at times... just bleh. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You just essentially repeated what I said, except for disagreeing about the movies: <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Tolkien was a great writer in that he was able to visualise a world like Middle-Earth, and appeal to deep-rooted human sentiments like personal sacrifice and the power of the individual. Tolkien was a terrible writer in that the LoTR is filled with pointless and annoying stuff, and so much of the rather good story is covered by poetry and flowery language. I've read the books 6 times now, and every time it gets harder and harder. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We might not agree on the movies, but we can agree that Tolkien isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually according to the book that 'glowing' sword is one of the best goblin (or orc... I forget) killing swoards in all of middle earth, in actuality the orc who go killed by the hobbit would have just been one of many casualties from the swoard. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--l3igD+Dec 21 2003, 06:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (l3igD @ Dec 21 2003, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--taboofires+Dec 21 2003, 02:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (taboofires @ Dec 21 2003, 02:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Did anyone else notice that Aragorn changed voice intonations/acting styles midway through the series? Please tell me I didn't imagine that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, He needed to change because instead of being a ranger and stuff like that he was made into a king..so he was spose to change...at least i got that from the book...and it made since in the movie to <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, you're probably right. I think he sounded more like a king before the change, however.
Its called "Sting" A sword for hobbits and a dragger for men or elves...theres a history about it in the book...how it was made..who all owned it...how many it has killed...how many wars its been in ect ect ect... hehe thats why i like the book ^^ so many good names for RPG games hahaha
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Fine it wasn't filmed <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> even though what you seen in Galadriels mirrior is nothing like what the scouring of the shire was about in the book......hobbits in chains, with orcs wipping them and buring the houses, none of that happens in the book.
*become slave to Sauron
Anyways I just got back from seeing it. I feel that it will be the best movie I have seen all year. I strangly didn't feel like Jackson had left out explnatioons for Frodo's departure or any of the others. Maybe I have just read the books too many times.
but when legolas did his whole rapage thing that reminded me of 1 thing EMPIRE STRIKES BACK with luke and sorts
and the big giant drummers reminded me of Army of Darkness
so wewt great movie but why didnt elrond clone himself an army?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--><!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->?
Fine it wasn't filmed <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> even though what you seen in Galadriels mirrior is nothing like what the scouring of the shire was about in the book......hobbits in chains, with orcs wipping them and buring the houses, none of that happens in the book. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Correct, hence it was a 'nod' to what happens in the scouring of the shire.
Once again, IT WAS NEVER FILMED OR INTENDED TO BE IN IT.
Watch the two towers extended edition directors commentary for your definitive answer.
That is all.
4.5/5 just because i was getting grumpy at the end. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just, <i>just</i> saw it, and this is pretty much how I'm feeling.
I absolutely frigging loved every part of it except the drawn out feeling I got at the end.
I've been wondering and im way to lazy to go back and read the back again right now...WAS THERE ELVES AT HELMS DEEP?? ive been wondering about this for a year...I didnt think there was and then i seen the movies i was like W T F?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
OOPS i meant to say in the BOOK did they...
Just because YOU have not heard of this part of the story being filmed does not mean it wasn't. The fact is IT was filmed and if it will be added into the special edition (which I really hope it will because it has the death of Sauraman in) only time will tell.
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It was never ever filmed. Period. If you can find a single piece of evidence to support your belief that it was filmed, then please share it with us.
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I've been wondering and im way to lazy to go back and read the back again right now...WAS THERE ELVES AT HELMS DEEP?? ive been wondering about this for a year...I didnt think there was and then i seen the movies i was like W T F?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In the books, the elves don't help out at Helms Deep. In fact, the elves do pretty much nothing. They give the Fellowship some items, like the soil Sam uses to regrow the Shire trees or the Light of Elendil that Frodo uses in his battle with Shelob. They turn up <i>after</i> Sauron has been defeated and say "Well you all did a nice job, BYE" and bugger off across the sea. Frankly, the elves in the books come across as ****. I'm very happy that there were elves at Helms Deep: it gave the battle a lot more significance and re-inforced ideas such as friendship and union. The idea supposed to come through is that Sauron threatens everything, and as such, all Middle-Earth must fight against him. In the books, even the dwarves fight in the north against Sauron-allied forces, though you only see that in the appendix to RoTK. In the books as well there were around 2,000 men at Helms Deep and the orcs had the fighting power of wet noodles. That doesn't make for much of a fight.
By including the elves in the battle of Helms Deep and hopefully in the Battle of Pellanor Fields as well (though I havn't seen RoTK), you can see that the elves actually do help out, as opposed to sitting on the sidelines whinging. You get a strong sense that these guys are on the side of good and are willing to help out their allies of old.
*runs from legions of Tolkien fan-boys*
Tolkien was a great writer in that he was able to visualise a world like Middle-Earth, and appeal to deep-rooted human sentiments like personal sacrifice and the power of the individual. Tolkien was a terrible writer in that the LoTR is filled with pointless and annoying stuff, and so much of the rather good story is covered by poetry and flowery language. I've read the books 6 times now, and every time it gets harder and harder.
Personally, I think that Jackson's version of the story is much better. It does away with so much of the unneeded details, adds in things that I feel work really well in the story and delivers it all in a way that has you walking out of the cinema going "WOW. What a story".
Maybe they went to reshoot the part where they all ride into the shire on the horses.....ever think it was that part?
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Yeah maybe, but the scottish one said they were going to film something for the scouring of the shire sceen <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I cba arguing about this anymore it's retarded, I know what I heard and saw you lot can argue that I'm wrong till your blue in the face for all I care lol if they put it in the special edition next year then yay if they don't they don't all I know is I will buy it regardless cos it will have a ton of extra stuff in anyway just like the previous two <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> .
WOW!!
Nobody's mentioned the absolute coolest shot in the movie; when <span style='font-size:22pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:yellow'>SPOILER</span></span> the Eye explodes and sends a shockwave out; it blows all the falling rocks in the other direction and knocks down ALL the orcs... and then as they run the floor collapses under them... haha that part was the BEST!
I'll second that one. The movies basically just take out the stuff that I turned a blind eye to in the book (+ a few scenes), and by doing so, is more enjoyable.
Did anyone else notice that Aragorn changed voice intonations/acting styles midway through the series? Please tell me I didn't imagine that.
WOW!!
Nobody's mentioned the absolute coolest shot in the movie; when <span style='font-size:22pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:yellow'>SPOILER</span></span> the Eye explodes and sends a shockwave out; it blows all the falling rocks in the other direction and knocks down ALL the orcs... and then as they run the floor collapses under them... haha that part was the BEST! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OH <span style='color:orange'>****</span> YEAH... oh gawd... so awesome.
when <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:yellow'>SPOILER</span></span> the tower is crumbling but the eye explodes and BLASTS the rocks away when it implodes... ohhh sweeeee...
*runs from legions of Tolkien fan-boys*
Tolkien was a great writer in that he was able to visualise a world like Middle-Earth, and appeal to deep-rooted human sentiments like personal sacrifice and the power of the individual. Tolkien was a terrible writer in that the LoTR is filled with pointless and annoying stuff, and so much of the rather good story is covered by poetry and flowery language. I've read the books 6 times now, and every time it gets harder and harder.
Personally, I think that Jackson's version of the story is much better. It does away with so much of the unneeded details, adds in things that I feel work really well in the story and delivers it all in a way that has you walking out of the cinema going "WOW. What a story". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
hehe, well said.
Actually, Tolkien's a pretty bad writer. He adds SO much unessecary crap everywhere, like the songs for example, and it draws everything out too long. It was a chore getting through some chapters of the books. The Hobbit's better than the Trilogy. The Trilogy, quiet frankly, is pretty bland. They're still good books, alot better than the movies, but at times... just bleh.
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Jackson removed key things that'd be fun to watch, and instead added 15+ minutes of Helicopter Shots.
Yeah, He needed to change because instead of being a ranger and stuff like that he was made into a king..so he was spose to change...at least i got that from the book...and it made since in the movie to
"How'd you die?"
"I was shot through the head by an elvish arrow during the battle of Helms Deep!"
"How'd you die?"
"I was run through by a human Ranger during the battle of Minas Tirith!"
"How'd you die?"
"A hobbit stabbed me..."
*All orcs laugh*
"He snuck up on me from behind!"
*All orcs laugh harder*
"He had two swords! And one of them glowed!"
*All orcs laugh even harder, and one dies again from laughing to hard*
(Legeolas and gimlee compete for most kills btw, as elves and dwarfs sre not the best of friends genreally)
Also, me and my friends ONLY just noticed during this movie *probably because of reloaded and revolutions* that that black haired elf was Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith). Like OMG nubness!
"How'd you die?"
"I was shot through the head by an elvish arrow during the battle of Helms Deep!"
"How'd you die?"
"I was run through by a human Ranger during the battle of Minas Tirith!"
"How'd you die?"
"A hobbit stabbed me..."
*All orcs laugh*
"He snuck up on me from behind!"
*All orcs laugh harder*
"He had two swords! And one of them glowed!"
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Actually according to the book that 'glowing' sword is one of the best goblin (or orc... I forget) killing swoards in all of middle earth, in actuality the orc who go killed by the hobbit would have just been one of many casualties from the swoard.
Back on topic:
The movie was one of the best I've ever seen in my life.
It OWNED.
Tolkien was a great writer...
Actually, Tolkien's a pretty bad writer. He adds SO much unessecary crap everywhere, like the songs for example, and it draws everything out too long. It was a chore getting through some chapters of the books. The Hobbit's better than the Trilogy. The Trilogy, quiet frankly, is pretty bland. They're still good books, alot better than the movies, but at times... just bleh.
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You just essentially repeated what I said, except for disagreeing about the movies: <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Tolkien was a great writer in that he was able to visualise a world like Middle-Earth, and appeal to deep-rooted human sentiments like personal sacrifice and the power of the individual. Tolkien was a terrible writer in that the LoTR is filled with pointless and annoying stuff, and so much of the rather good story is covered by poetry and flowery language. I've read the books 6 times now, and every time it gets harder and harder.
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We might not agree on the movies, but we can agree that Tolkien isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually according to the book that 'glowing' sword is one of the best goblin (or orc... I forget) killing swoards in all of middle earth, in actuality the orc who go killed by the hobbit would have just been one of many casualties from the swoard.
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Yeah, but it's a hobbit wielding it. A hobbit!
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Yeah, you're probably right. I think he sounded more like a king before the change, however.