As 3.0 is pending release "soon"/"... in time for the holidays" it is very likely that this entire thread is spurious. So long as this release does not end up like Master of Orion 3 or Half-Life 2 (in terms of nebulous delays) then there is nothing to be incensed about.
What i find kind of sucks is the lack of updates. Take the mod "Desert Combat" for example. The team is only 3 or 4 more than the NS team, and the engine and programming is far harder (BF1942), yet they release updates every 45 days or so.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zyco+Dec 15 2003, 12:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zyco @ Dec 15 2003, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> like i said earlier, our clan submitted to playtest and enter the ATI tournament over a week ago, and have recieved NO confirmation, NO emails of any kind, and gone completely un-noticed.
iv been in this community for over a year, i have skills and knowledge of the game to prove it, but lack of being in a good clan gets me absolutely nothing? no say in anything? no rewards for being almost completely dedicated to this one game for over a year? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Im gonna let you in on a little sercret. The veteran applications are extremely backed up, with only 1-2 people working on them and there are THOUSANDS of applications. One guy is full time college, just be patient. For a scale we waited 1 week and 6 days before we got vet.
<!--QuoteBegin--Redford+Dec 14 2003, 04:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Dec 14 2003, 04:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->True, this beta IS releasing 2,000 people (mostly clanners) into the pub playerbase, further supressing it because they will not only be more skilled at 3.0, but will have more knowledge of it. If you believe that we can expect clanners to teach pub players about 3.0, you've got another thing coming. Most clanners will just stack their clan on one team and commence owning even worse then before.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Go ahead, stereotype, because every damn clanner out there just can't wait to go out and own some poor pathetic non clannie nubs. God damn, I hate those idiots that suck so much they can't get in a clan. You know what I hate more? Idiots who find they need to discriminate against anyone with a clan tag on.
As for veterans in general, skillwise, f41lure is right on, half the new vets can't play for crap, and their only credit is that they have a clan tag of some sort. A good amount of them fit into the "ir veteran, i pwn j00!!!11" category, but then, that's not much different from the original vets, but at least they had some skill. As for those teams that haven't recieved word on their vet status, it's because you don't scrim enough probably.
Now, just to prove that some people are true idiots:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well you see the thing is, is that not everybody has $20 to donate to NS. And for clans? Ha "Vet" clans will almost always turn you down, usually the yare saying that they arent looking for more people or that they will contact you later, which they never do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HALLO? What are you talking about? Have you even tried to join a clan? There are clans out there who have a "show up and you're in" policy, like the guys over at #animosity (awesome people, once you get to know 'em *rolleyes*). It really isn't wise to BS some facts out of nowhere, ya know.
Okay, first, please <i>never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever</i> quote a full length post, especially one of <i>my</i> massive, pointless rambling posts, again. As much as like my ego, it doesn't really need that, and scrolling through it is a pain, especially when I've not only read it, I wrote it. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
On to the replies!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Like i said, elitists. If you don't have cash, or if you don't rub elbows with all of the other top dogs/elite, clanners you aren't accepted. Which I find to be utter crap.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yah ok, no. I can't get a job at my age and even if I could, my parents forbade me from getting a job when I have school, becase they think it will effect my grades. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
People lurve pubbers... They make the world go round, they die in entire squads to solo unupgraded skulks, they run into OCs and die... Oh, no, wait, NSPlayers. People do lurve pubbers, though, because, simply put, most players are pubbers. They are the bread and butter. They are not only accepted, but adored, simply because every single one of their little clicks makes NS a bigger success.
That doesn't mean they have to playtest. First, if you can't pull $20, I'm... well, em... let's just say that's pitiful. I don't care if you're freakin' 6, you have an Internet connection, a computer, and enough free time to post here. Meaning? You can manage $20 if you really wanted to... After all, you bought Halflife (or some other Halflife package), and I bet you one of these days you're gonna buy another game, or two CDs... And you could, if you actually really wanted to, give that money to the game that you're spending your time posting about, and get a chance to test. Or, heck, next time, <i>don't supersize</i>, or go without that can o' pop, and, before you know it, a few meals later, voila, you'll have $20. Bleh.
And, anyways, you don't have to <i>rub elbows</i>... Or, in fact, even if you do, you're not neccessarily in. When I was playing often, most of the time it was surrounded by folks from the big ol' vet clans (of course, probably utterly unnoticed, which is irrelevant). Doesn't mean I'm a PTer, in the in-crowd, or, heck, even <i>should</i> be. I just <i>am</i>. And if you can't either chip in $20 or join an active clan (hey, I mean, top 10-20 clans may be hard to get into, but there appear to be a lot more active clans these days... I bet their takin'), you don't deserve to playtest. Or, to segway:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->openly say that "we aren't letting you in because we think we are better than you"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They are. Or, well, not you in particular. But, after the bumbling mess that was the 2.01 open testing shenanigans, I think Flayra and the dev team (and them hard workin' testers) showed that, simply put, most NS players do not have what it takes to test.
Maybe you do, but there is <i>no way</i> for them to tell you apart unless <i>you</i> make the effort (via clan or Constellation).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A good amount of them fit into the "ir veteran, i pwn j00!!!11" category, but then, that's not much different from the original vets, but at least they had some skill.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, all them laddies in wannabe clans running around saying that... I love them to death. It made me feel <i>good</i> when I could take a bunch of random pubbers and smack down a clan-stacked team (even if it was a really bad clan). Maybe they'll be more of a challenge with that little headstart? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, you know, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE HALLOWEEN I SHOULD GET DEVELOPER STATUS RIGHT?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Rennex</b>, you have such low aspirations! It's obvious you should be God by now!
And now, to hijack the thread (if anyone reads this)... People who <i>are</i> testing... How close would you say 3.0 is now? I just popped back, so I'm outta da loop.
Having 2 working copies of something at once is the absolute WORST thing you can do. I used to play a mod called Science & Industry (SI). That mod was actually sort of popular for a while (around 50 servers) then the makers had 2 copies released at the same time. Half of the servers ran the official copy and the other half ran the beta copy. People with the beta could not play on the normal and vice versa. The community was literally split in half. 50 servers turned into 25 you could play on and 25 that had a different version. Anybody could easily download either copy from the website. It was an absolute disaster. When the beta version became the new official version, people with the old version would not upgrade. Frustration of not being able to play on half of the servers you attempted to join is what killed that mod.
If you look at other mods, you'll notice that they only have 1 version you can download. When CS went from 1.3 to 1.4 and took out bunny hopping, do you think people liked that change? If people were able to download and test either version, do you think they would use the new version when it became the new official version? Knowing that the new version sucked compared to the old version, who the hell would want the new version? With all mods, a new version is secretly tested then just released with only a very very very small crowd knowing the difference. That way, the community is forced into conformity. The patches for mods are forced onto people so that version errors do not happen.
ok... one of the main reasons that they give Consettlation members the ability to playtest is because they needed incentive to make people donate and it makes sense and I believe that they should but I don't believe that veterans should be allowed to because if you think that allowing veteran clans simulates pub plays... your on some damn good crack clans don't simulate pub play... Pubs are where the magic and random **** happens where the best and worst of NS happens but I cant blame them its just easier to let the clans in makes em happy its not elitism I bet if flayra had the time him and his team would love to go into the pubs and pick out the best guys the guys who are not good but are just fun to play with but that would take forever. So instead of hating the clanners (thats my job anyways) just wait and don't ****... the game is freaking free and when he releases the new one he will do it.
P.S Clan boys don't say that some people just arnt good enough to get in clans so they **** about the clans. Clans were originally just friends who got together not a bunch of strangers that love to win so much and need to feel better so they banded together <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--ShawnD+Dec 15 2003, 05:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ShawnD @ Dec 15 2003, 05:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Having 2 working copies of something at once is the absolute WORST thing you can do. I used to play a mod called Science & Industry (SI). That mod was actually sort of popular for a while (around 50 servers) then the makers had 2 copies released at the same time. Half of the servers ran the official copy and the other half ran the beta copy. People with the beta could not play on the normal and vice versa. The community was literally split in half. 50 servers turned into 25 you could play on and 25 that had a different version. Anybody could easily download either copy from the website. It was an absolute disaster. When the beta version became the new official version, people with the old version would not upgrade. Frustration of not being able to play on half of the servers you attempted to join is what killed that mod.
If you look at other mods, you'll notice that they only have 1 version you can download. When CS went from 1.3 to 1.4 and took out bunny hopping, do you think people liked that change? If people were able to download and test either version, do you think they would use the new version when it became the new official version? Knowing that the new version sucked compared to the old version, who the hell would want the new version? With all mods, a new version is secretly tested then just released with only a very very very small crowd knowing the difference. That way, the community is forced into conformity. The patches for mods are forced onto people so that version errors do not happen. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have one thing to say about this.
Jarhedz is running an exclusive beta servers. And I do mean exclusive.
This doesn't mean that some guy who's donated like 100 bucks to NS and runs a server, etc can't donate his server. Quite the contrary.
You know what they ask UP FRONT? The box, in it's entirety. For as long as the beta is active, they know the root password and only THEY can get into the box in any way shape or form. This is obviously to prevent the server .dlls from being leaked (Which would be a VERY VERY bad thing.) They'll give it back (Duh) once it's finished, but they ask that of any person who donates a server up front.. so they know what they're getting into.
This ensures no "two working copies of a game" crap. This also ensures that Flayra can make server modifications (Adding xp over time for a team, changing cvars, etc. etc.) to actually test the game.. thus giving you impatient little dorks less time to wait on what is already a SPECTACULAR game.
They could have run a blizzard level NDA (For those not familiar with Blizzard, their NDAs are so watertight that if you say anything other then "WoW is really cool!" to anyone, you, your entire family, and anyone you know is erased permanently.. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->), but posting changelogs, screenshots, and discussing balance with testers and non testers is a good way to keep intrest in the game.
Aaron: You are my favorite person in this whole thread.
CWAG: I'm curious, just for my own edification, if you knew back during the 2.0 playtests what you do now, would you have still had the same vehement position?
For the maker of the thread: This was really childish. You object to taking the slightest bit of initiative when presented to you. Hell, it's extremely easy to get into the playtests, but instead you throw a temper tantrum. I really hope that you're a "young'n" because otherwise you have some maturing to do. Oh, and trust me. The skills in these playtests are nothing better than a pub. At friggin' all. If I get on top of the scoreboard there's nothing to worry about.
To the guy who kept crying about elitism: That would have been semi valid during the 2.0 playtests. The mere idea is laughable now. You honestly think that 2000 people are being elitist towards you? That's sad, very very sad. Should I expect the proletariat to be breaking down my door?
That being said, the opportunity to take part in these playtests is available to everybody. Whether or not you choose to use that opportunity is up to you. There's no reason not to.
[Wow, I formulated a reply to this travesty of a thread that isn't banworthy. I didn't think I would be able to do that.]
Hmm. Wasn't 2.0 unbalanced because... it was decided the final, balanced, product was simply not fun. So, they put some features in, and rushed 2.0 out the door, not having time to rebalance.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Pubs are where the magic and random **** happens where the best and worst of NS happens but I cant blame them its just easier to let the clans in makes em happy its not elitism I bet if flayra had the time him and his team would love to go into the pubs and pick out the best guys the guys who are not good but are just fun to play with but that would take forever.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Vets are in the game to balance for clan play. A lot of the best fun in NS is when you have two very organized teams going up against each other (sort of like a good game of soccer). Plenty of magic, just a different kind.
PTs and Constellation members are supposed to do the more pub-type testing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Its difficult to say. I will be amazed if it makes a pre-christmas release however.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That makes me sad... Oh, and Commie... When did you become a vet? I thought you were clanless?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hmm. Wasn't 2.0 unbalanced because... it was decided the final, balanced, product was simply not fun. So, they put some features in, and rushed 2.0 out the door, not having time to rebalance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, they took features out (I think), to make it more fun on pubs. A lesson learned.
So basicly all this boils down to is people moaning that Flayra, producing a FREE game for everyone with a copy of half-life, recieving absolutly no financial renumeration for this work (Which by now has probably taken in excess of two and a half YEARS of his life), short of generous people voluntarily donating some of their cash. Is not giving you even MORE and making it much more difficult on himself by removing most of the help he recieves from the current playtesters on balence and replacing it with flamey illiterate posts about every change he makes in the beta. Oh and also we must not forget that he isn't working FAST enough. Him and Max (Who afaik was only brought on board after NS 1.0) the only programmers in the team, arn't spending every waking hour churning out new free material for everyone to enjoy. OMG Flayra is soooo lazy. Forget that he probably hasn't had a holiday for 3 or more years and most likely severly reduced his financial income to provide entertainment for us all. He's not doing what I want. He's such a bad man.
Sorry if I seem a little annoyed. But when something is free and of such high quality as NS i kind of get a little peeved when people complain if the creator gives a little something to the people who have helped put food on his table and keep working on the game that they play for free.
Fortunately it only seemed to be one or two people complaining about this, but oh well, i typed it all now...bah. Dahm you flamebaiting trolls.
i find it odd (not really) how everyone who thinks this thread is useless has access to 3.0. they're all bitching at us for complaining and telling us to grow up, while they sit there being able to play the game we want to play but cant, even tho we're just as deserving...
flayra and the team should be releasing PATCHES, not whole fricking versions. (1.0 - 2.0 - 3.0, with 1.01-1.04 being patches, and 2.01a - final being patches). as they fix bugs in the game, release a server side patch, and also include minor previews of some features to the entire public, so they can decide if u should go further with it or take it away. and as for major changes (like ns combat, lerk modifications, major balance modifications) should be left for the MAJOR release (3.0).
it would have been much more convenient to release patches steadily instead of major versions every few MONTHS.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zyco+Dec 15 2003, 07:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zyco @ Dec 15 2003, 07:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i find it odd (not really) how everyone who thinks this thread is useless has access to 3.0. they're all bitching at us for complaining and telling us to grow up, while they sit there being able to play the game we want to play but cant, even tho we're just as deserving... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I dont ususally post in caps but..
READ THE FRAGGING THREAD, ALL YOU NEED FOR BETA ACCESS IS TO GET FIVE OTHER GUYS AND MAKE A CLAN AND APPLY FOR VET STATUS. YOU DONT NEED ANY '1337' SKILLS AT ALL. HELL, YOU FIND FOUR OTHER RANDOM PEOPLE AND WE (me, you and four people = 6 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->) CAN APPLY AS CLAN NSPLAYER AND WE WILL BE IN!!!!!!!!!1111!!!1!!1ONE
you dont even need to donate to a worthy cause!
edit: of course, unless clan nsplayer is taken <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Umbraed Monkey+Dec 15 2003, 08:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Dec 15 2003, 08:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zyco+Dec 15 2003, 07:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zyco @ Dec 15 2003, 07:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i find it odd (not really) how everyone who thinks this thread is useless has access to 3.0. they're all bitching at us for complaining and telling us to grow up, while they sit there being able to play the game we want to play but cant, even tho we're just as deserving... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I dont ususally post in caps but..
READ THE FRAGGING THREAD, ALL YOU NEED FOR BETA ACCESS IS TO GET FIVE OTHER GUYS AND MAKE A CLAN AND APPLY FOR VET STATUS. YOU DONT NEED ANY '1337' SKILLS AT ALL. HELL, YOU FIND FOUR OTHER RANDOM PEOPLE AND WE (me, you and four people = 6 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->) CAN APPLY AS CLAN NSPLAYER AND WE WILL BE IN!!!!!!!!!1111!!!1!!1ONE
you dont even need to donate to a worthy cause!
edit: of course, unless clan nsplayer is taken <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> except the applications are backed up to hell
20 bucks is a bit much IMO, and dont you have to scrim atleast 5 times a week to keep the beta access? I say they go back to the old style of playtesting and just have 1 or 2 clans do it and dont tell anyone ANYTHING about the new release until it is out
<!--QuoteBegin--Boy who lost his wings+Dec 15 2003, 09:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Boy who lost his wings @ Dec 15 2003, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> except the applications are backed up to hell <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you cant wait for a while for the applications to get through, I dont think youll have the patience to be a good betatester.
btw, Im not in the beta test. I didnt take the initiative either. However, I didnt take the time to whine about it either.
edit: zergling minor, the original point of the constellation program is not for beta access, it was for donating money to the developers. Beta access is a (beneficial) side effect. About the scrimming, I imagine if we want ns 3.0 to come in time for christmas holidays, hardcore testing will be needed. Thus, the scrimming.
If you want to have a proper balance test it requires a heck of a lot more than just 1 or 2 clans. Otherwise the game just gets balanced to the clan's particular playing style. The beta is more public and open that most beta's i've been in. The info about how to get in on it seems to be plastered all over the site. I don't really think that there's much to complain about. Remember when you're donating $20 (or more) its not for the beta, its $20 towards the further development of NS which takes a heck of a lot of time out of the developer's lives.
<!--QuoteBegin--Umbraed Monkey+Dec 15 2003, 09:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Dec 15 2003, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Boy who lost his wings+Dec 15 2003, 09:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Boy who lost his wings @ Dec 15 2003, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> except the applications are backed up to hell <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you cant wait for a while for the applications to get through, I dont think youll have the patience to be a good betatester.
btw, Im not in the beta test. I didnt take the initiative either. However, I didnt take the time to whine about it either.
edit: zergling minor, the original point of the constellation program is not for beta access, it was for donating money to the developers. Beta access is a (beneficial) side effect. About the scrimming, I imagine if we want ns 3.0 to come in time for christmas holidays, hardcore testing will be needed. Thus, the scrimming. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i see your point, but from what i hear the situation is quite bleak
<!--QuoteBegin--DeathScythe61+Dec 15 2003, 10:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DeathScythe61 @ Dec 15 2003, 10:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> At least let us have acess to the beta forum, just for viewing, not posting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you see if they do that then the general forum will be spammed with whats going on with the beta forum
<!--QuoteBegin--Boy who lost his wings+Dec 15 2003, 08:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Boy who lost his wings @ Dec 15 2003, 08:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--DeathScythe61+Dec 15 2003, 10:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DeathScythe61 @ Dec 15 2003, 10:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> At least let us have acess to the beta forum, just for viewing, not posting. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you see if they do that then the general forum will be spammed with whats going on with the beta forum<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Mainly by people who aren't involved, which is really irritating. Don't knock till ya rock, k?
<!--QuoteBegin--Zyco+Dec 15 2003, 05:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zyco @ Dec 15 2003, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->flayra and the team should be releasing PATCHES, not whole fricking versions. (1.0 - 2.0 - 3.0, with 1.01-1.04 being patches, and 2.01a - final being patches). as they fix bugs in the game, release a server side patch, and also include minor previews of some features to the entire public, so they can decide if u should go further with it or take it away. and as for major changes (like ns combat, lerk modifications, major balance modifications) should be left for the MAJOR release (3.0).
it would have been much more convenient to release patches steadily instead of major versions every few MONTHS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not sure if NS is the only game you've ever played.. but if it isn't, what other game releases a minor patch every week rather than releasing huge new versions? The thing is, I can think of a few games but those games don't go through the amount of changes NS does. Huge patches are needed and do work amazingly better for NS.
1.0/2.0 needed very few testers. 3.0 needs a decent amount more, but Flarya doesn't need <i>everyone</i>. That's too much work for the small team behind NS to take in, just so everyone can get to play it before it's out. The handful of you complaining in this thread should get together, form a clan and play the beta until your cows come home. None of the new vets have been required to do the 5 scrims/week yet because of the lag/CPU issues the current build faces, so you could at least preview it and then quit when you can't handle scrimming. It'd do you more good than complaining here would.
most of the stuff in the beta forum isn't all that interesting. Really it'd just spawn more annoying rumours and misconceptions as its impossible to put changes in any sort of context without actually having played the builds referred to. Trust me here, I moaned about a lot of the changes in the 2.0 beta days but later realized how much of a ignoramus I really was once I actually got into the beta.
<!--QuoteBegin--Redford+Dec 14 2003, 05:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Dec 14 2003, 05:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> True, this beta IS releasing 2,000 people (mostly clanners) into the pub playerbase, further supressing it because they will not only be more skilled at 3.0, but will have more knowledge of it. If you believe that we can expect clanners to teach pub players about 3.0, you've got another thing coming. Most clanners will just stack their clan on one team and commence owning even worse then before. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> amen, soo true, soo true.
<!--QuoteBegin--Soberana+Dec 14 2003, 06:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soberana @ Dec 14 2003, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow you are so wrong. About 75% of the new veterans are terrible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hahaha <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i find it odd (not really) how everyone who thinks this thread is useless has access to 3.0. they're all bitching at us for complaining and telling us to grow up, while they sit there being able to play the game we want to play but cant, even tho we're just as deserving...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did you donate $20? Are you a member of a Veteran clan? No? Than you are NOT as deserving. Im sure you do want to play it, But You rjust going to have to wait like everyone else. And this isnt up for discussion, thats just the way it is. If you can afford $20, then what the hell are you doing on a computer that cost several hundred dollars.
I got status as a playtester not by donating money, But instead I dontated my free time. I did something for the NS team, and they gave me something back in return. But as far as I can tell, all YOURE giving the NS team is grief.
<!--QuoteBegin--BrigadierWolf+Dec 15 2003, 11:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BrigadierWolf @ Dec 15 2003, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I got status as a playtester not by donating money, But instead I dontated my free time. I did something for the NS team, and they gave me something back in return. But as far as I can tell, all YOURE giving the NS team is grief. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i've done plenty for the ns community imo. For the most part that goes unnoticed because im not as skilled as you at skinning/modelling. I'm not going to complain that i deserve something because its my choice to be here. I just think your reasoning there is flawed.
Yes, But you see, I did something for the TEAM, Not just the community. And Ive already offered to take any burden off theyre back If they need something done.
My point, however, is that these guys arent doing anything but whining about "Woe is me! For verily I shall not be playing 3.0 this eve!".
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iv been in this community for over a year, i have skills and knowledge of the game to prove it, but lack of being in a good clan gets me absolutely nothing? no say in anything? no rewards for being almost completely dedicated to this one game for over a year? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im gonna let you in on a little sercret. The veteran applications are extremely backed up, with only 1-2 people working on them and there are THOUSANDS of applications. One guy is full time college, just be patient. For a scale we waited 1 week and 6 days before we got vet.
Go ahead, stereotype, because every damn clanner out there just can't wait to go out and own some poor pathetic non clannie nubs. God damn, I hate those idiots that suck so much they can't get in a clan. You know what I hate more? Idiots who find they need to discriminate against anyone with a clan tag on.
As for veterans in general, skillwise, f41lure is right on, half the new vets can't play for crap, and their only credit is that they have a clan tag of some sort. A good amount of them fit into the "ir veteran, i pwn j00!!!11" category, but then, that's not much different from the original vets, but at least they had some skill. As for those teams that haven't recieved word on their vet status, it's because you don't scrim enough probably.
Now, just to prove that some people are true idiots:
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Well you see the thing is, is that not everybody has $20 to donate to NS. And for clans? Ha "Vet" clans will almost always turn you down, usually the yare saying that they arent looking for more people or that they will contact you later, which they never do.
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HALLO? What are you talking about? Have you even tried to join a clan? There are clans out there who have a "show up and you're in" policy, like the guys over at #animosity (awesome people, once you get to know 'em *rolleyes*). It really isn't wise to BS some facts out of nowhere, ya know.
- ";aM;" Last.
On to the replies!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Like i said, elitists. If you don't have cash, or if you don't rub elbows with all of the other top dogs/elite, clanners you aren't accepted. Which I find to be utter crap.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yah ok, no. I can't get a job at my age and even if I could, my parents forbade me from getting a job when I have school, becase they think it will effect my grades. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
People lurve pubbers... They make the world go round, they die in entire squads to solo unupgraded skulks, they run into OCs and die... Oh, no, wait, NSPlayers. People do lurve pubbers, though, because, simply put, most players are pubbers. They are the bread and butter. They are not only accepted, but adored, simply because every single one of their little clicks makes NS a bigger success.
That doesn't mean they have to playtest. First, if you can't pull $20, I'm... well, em... let's just say that's pitiful. I don't care if you're freakin' 6, you have an Internet connection, a computer, and enough free time to post here. Meaning? You can manage $20 if you really wanted to... After all, you bought Halflife (or some other Halflife package), and I bet you one of these days you're gonna buy another game, or two CDs... And you could, if you actually really wanted to, give that money to the game that you're spending your time posting about, and get a chance to test. Or, heck, next time, <i>don't supersize</i>, or go without that can o' pop, and, before you know it, a few meals later, voila, you'll have $20. Bleh.
And, anyways, you don't have to <i>rub elbows</i>... Or, in fact, even if you do, you're not neccessarily in. When I was playing often, most of the time it was surrounded by folks from the big ol' vet clans (of course, probably utterly unnoticed, which is irrelevant). Doesn't mean I'm a PTer, in the in-crowd, or, heck, even <i>should</i> be. I just <i>am</i>. And if you can't either chip in $20 or join an active clan (hey, I mean, top 10-20 clans may be hard to get into, but there appear to be a lot more active clans these days... I bet their takin'), you don't deserve to playtest. Or, to segway:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->openly say that "we aren't letting you in because we think we are better than you"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They are. Or, well, not you in particular. But, after the bumbling mess that was the 2.01 open testing shenanigans, I think Flayra and the dev team (and them hard workin' testers) showed that, simply put, most NS players do not have what it takes to test.
Maybe you do, but there is <i>no way</i> for them to tell you apart unless <i>you</i> make the effort (via clan or Constellation).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A good amount of them fit into the "ir veteran, i pwn j00!!!11" category, but then, that's not much different from the original vets, but at least they had some skill.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, all them laddies in wannabe clans running around saying that... I love them to death. It made me feel <i>good</i> when I could take a bunch of random pubbers and smack down a clan-stacked team (even if it was a really bad clan). Maybe they'll be more of a challenge with that little headstart? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, you know, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE HALLOWEEN I SHOULD GET DEVELOPER STATUS RIGHT?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Rennex</b>, you have such low aspirations! It's obvious you should be God by now!
And now, to hijack the thread (if anyone reads this)... People who <i>are</i> testing... How close would you say 3.0 is now? I just popped back, so I'm outta da loop.
Things are progressing very quickly but there have been a few things that were pretty nasty.
It was an absolute disaster. When the beta version became the new official version, people with the old version would not upgrade. Frustration of not being able to play on half of the servers you attempted to join is what killed that mod.
If you look at other mods, you'll notice that they only have 1 version you can download. When CS went from 1.3 to 1.4 and took out bunny hopping, do you think people liked that change? If people were able to download and test either version, do you think they would use the new version when it became the new official version? Knowing that the new version sucked compared to the old version, who the hell would want the new version? With all mods, a new version is secretly tested then just released with only a very very very small crowd knowing the difference. That way, the community is forced into conformity. The patches for mods are forced onto people so that version errors do not happen.
P.S Clan boys don't say that some people just arnt good enough to get in clans so they **** about the clans. Clans were originally just friends who got together not a bunch of strangers that love to win so much and need to feel better so they banded together <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
It was an absolute disaster. When the beta version became the new official version, people with the old version would not upgrade. Frustration of not being able to play on half of the servers you attempted to join is what killed that mod.
If you look at other mods, you'll notice that they only have 1 version you can download. When CS went from 1.3 to 1.4 and took out bunny hopping, do you think people liked that change? If people were able to download and test either version, do you think they would use the new version when it became the new official version? Knowing that the new version sucked compared to the old version, who the hell would want the new version? With all mods, a new version is secretly tested then just released with only a very very very small crowd knowing the difference. That way, the community is forced into conformity. The patches for mods are forced onto people so that version errors do not happen. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have one thing to say about this.
Jarhedz is running an exclusive beta servers. And I do mean exclusive.
This doesn't mean that some guy who's donated like 100 bucks to NS and runs a server, etc can't donate his server. Quite the contrary.
You know what they ask UP FRONT? The box, in it's entirety. For as long as the beta is active, they know the root password and only THEY can get into the box in any way shape or form. This is obviously to prevent the server .dlls from being leaked (Which would be a VERY VERY bad thing.) They'll give it back (Duh) once it's finished, but they ask that of any person who donates a server up front.. so they know what they're getting into.
This ensures no "two working copies of a game" crap. This also ensures that Flayra can make server modifications (Adding xp over time for a team, changing cvars, etc. etc.) to actually test the game.. thus giving you impatient little dorks less time to wait on what is already a SPECTACULAR game.
They could have run a blizzard level NDA (For those not familiar with Blizzard, their NDAs are so watertight that if you say anything other then "WoW is really cool!" to anyone, you, your entire family, and anyone you know is erased permanently.. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->), but posting changelogs, screenshots, and discussing balance with testers and non testers is a good way to keep intrest in the game.
In short? Have some damned patience.
CWAG: I'm curious, just for my own edification, if you knew back during the 2.0 playtests what you do now, would you have still had the same vehement position?
For the maker of the thread: This was really childish. You object to taking the slightest bit of initiative when presented to you. Hell, it's extremely easy to get into the playtests, but instead you throw a temper tantrum. I really hope that you're a "young'n" because otherwise you have some maturing to do. Oh, and trust me. The skills in these playtests are nothing better than a pub. At friggin' all. If I get on top of the scoreboard there's nothing to worry about.
To the guy who kept crying about elitism: That would have been semi valid during the 2.0 playtests. The mere idea is laughable now. You honestly think that 2000 people are being elitist towards you? That's sad, very very sad. Should I expect the proletariat to be breaking down my door?
That being said, the opportunity to take part in these playtests is available to everybody. Whether or not you choose to use that opportunity is up to you. There's no reason not to.
[Wow, I formulated a reply to this travesty of a thread that isn't banworthy. I didn't think I would be able to do that.]
Vets are in the game to balance for clan play. A lot of the best fun in NS is when you have two very organized teams going up against each other (sort of like a good game of soccer). Plenty of magic, just a different kind.
PTs and Constellation members are supposed to do the more pub-type testing.
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That makes me sad... Oh, and Commie... When did you become a vet? I thought you were clanless?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hmm. Wasn't 2.0 unbalanced because... it was decided the final, balanced, product was simply not fun. So, they put some features in, and rushed 2.0 out the door, not having time to rebalance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, they took features out (I think), to make it more fun on pubs. A lesson learned.
OMG Flayra is soooo lazy. Forget that he probably hasn't had a holiday for 3 or more years and most likely severly reduced his financial income to provide entertainment for us all. He's not doing what I want. He's such a bad man.
Sorry if I seem a little annoyed. But when something is free and of such high quality as NS i kind of get a little peeved when people complain if the creator gives a little something to the people who have helped put food on his table and keep working on the game that they play for free.
Fortunately it only seemed to be one or two people complaining about this, but oh well, i typed it all now...bah. Dahm you flamebaiting trolls.
flayra and the team should be releasing PATCHES, not whole fricking versions. (1.0 - 2.0 - 3.0, with 1.01-1.04 being patches, and 2.01a - final being patches). as they fix bugs in the game, release a server side patch, and also include minor previews of some features to the entire public, so they can decide if u should go further with it or take it away.
and as for major changes (like ns combat, lerk modifications, major balance modifications) should be left for the MAJOR release (3.0).
it would have been much more convenient to release patches steadily instead of major versions every few MONTHS.
I dont ususally post in caps but..
READ THE FRAGGING THREAD, ALL YOU NEED FOR BETA ACCESS IS TO GET FIVE OTHER GUYS AND MAKE A CLAN AND APPLY FOR VET STATUS. YOU DONT NEED ANY '1337' SKILLS AT ALL. HELL, YOU FIND FOUR OTHER RANDOM PEOPLE AND WE (me, you and four people = 6 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->) CAN APPLY AS CLAN NSPLAYER AND WE WILL BE IN!!!!!!!!!1111!!!1!!1ONE
you dont even need to donate to a worthy cause!
edit: of course, unless clan nsplayer is taken <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I dont ususally post in caps but..
READ THE FRAGGING THREAD, ALL YOU NEED FOR BETA ACCESS IS TO GET FIVE OTHER GUYS AND MAKE A CLAN AND APPLY FOR VET STATUS. YOU DONT NEED ANY '1337' SKILLS AT ALL. HELL, YOU FIND FOUR OTHER RANDOM PEOPLE AND WE (me, you and four people = 6 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->) CAN APPLY AS CLAN NSPLAYER AND WE WILL BE IN!!!!!!!!!1111!!!1!!1ONE
you dont even need to donate to a worthy cause!
edit: of course, unless clan nsplayer is taken <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
except the applications are backed up to hell
I say they go back to the old style of playtesting and just have 1 or 2 clans do it and dont tell anyone ANYTHING about the new release until it is out
If you cant wait for a while for the applications to get through, I dont think youll have the patience to be a good betatester.
btw, Im not in the beta test. I didnt take the initiative either. However, I didnt take the time to whine about it either.
edit: zergling minor, the original point of the constellation program is not for beta access, it was for donating money to the developers. Beta access is a (beneficial) side effect. About the scrimming, I imagine if we want ns 3.0 to come in time for christmas holidays, hardcore testing will be needed. Thus, the scrimming.
If you cant wait for a while for the applications to get through, I dont think youll have the patience to be a good betatester.
btw, Im not in the beta test. I didnt take the initiative either. However, I didnt take the time to whine about it either.
edit: zergling minor, the original point of the constellation program is not for beta access, it was for donating money to the developers. Beta access is a (beneficial) side effect. About the scrimming, I imagine if we want ns 3.0 to come in time for christmas holidays, hardcore testing will be needed. Thus, the scrimming. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i see your point, but from what i hear the situation is quite bleak
you see if they do that then the general forum will be spammed with whats going on with the beta forum
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Mainly by people who aren't involved, which is really irritating. Don't knock till ya rock, k?
<!--QuoteBegin--Zyco+Dec 15 2003, 05:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zyco @ Dec 15 2003, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->flayra and the team should be releasing PATCHES, not whole fricking versions. (1.0 - 2.0 - 3.0, with 1.01-1.04 being patches, and 2.01a - final being patches). as they fix bugs in the game, release a server side patch, and also include minor previews of some features to the entire public, so they can decide if u should go further with it or take it away.
and as for major changes (like ns combat, lerk modifications, major balance modifications) should be left for the MAJOR release (3.0).
it would have been much more convenient to release patches steadily instead of major versions every few MONTHS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not sure if NS is the only game you've ever played.. but if it isn't, what other game releases a minor patch every week rather than releasing huge new versions? The thing is, I can think of a few games but those games don't go through the amount of changes NS does. Huge patches are needed and do work amazingly better for NS.
1.0/2.0 needed very few testers. 3.0 needs a decent amount more, but Flarya doesn't need <i>everyone</i>. That's too much work for the small team behind NS to take in, just so everyone can get to play it before it's out. The handful of you complaining in this thread should get together, form a clan and play the beta until your cows come home. None of the new vets have been required to do the 5 scrims/week yet because of the lag/CPU issues the current build faces, so you could at least preview it and then quit when you can't handle scrimming. It'd do you more good than complaining here would.
amen, soo true, soo true.
Hahaha <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Did you donate $20? Are you a member of a Veteran clan? No? Than you are NOT as deserving.
Im sure you do want to play it, But You rjust going to have to wait like everyone else. And this isnt up for discussion, thats just the way it is. If you can afford $20, then what the hell are you doing on a computer that cost several hundred dollars.
I got status as a playtester not by donating money, But instead I dontated my free time. I did something for the NS team, and they gave me something back in return. But as far as I can tell, all YOURE giving the NS team is grief.
i've done plenty for the ns community imo. For the most part that goes unnoticed because im not as skilled as you at skinning/modelling. I'm not going to complain that i deserve something because its my choice to be here. I just think your reasoning there is flawed.
My point, however, is that these guys arent doing anything but whining about "Woe is me! For verily I shall not be playing 3.0 this eve!".