Do You Believe In Vac?
XCan
Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5904Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5904Members, Constellation
Now that NS3 hopefully isn't too far away I would just like to hear some of your opinions. Do you believe that valve will care about NS at all with VAC? Personally I don't think valve gives a **** about NS, look at the active cheats out there, sure valve updates the VAC but only for cheats working with CS, however if you look up DoD cheats you will find very old working cheats (not only WH but AimBot and all that junk), I've a very hard time believing valve will update VAC at all if they find a NS exclusive cheat. In my opinion the UD's CD will do a better job than VAC in the terms of stopping the cheats. Sure VAC gives global bans, but what good are the global bans if VAC can't find a cheat anyway?
So my ultimate question will be:" Do you believe more in VAC or CD?"
PS. Not like VAC is anything good blocking cs-cheats.....
So my ultimate question will be:" Do you believe more in VAC or CD?"
PS. Not like VAC is anything good blocking cs-cheats.....
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It would be a stupid idea to give support to a mod which will be official with steam and not look after it. I bought HL just for the fact so that i could play NS online im sure im not the only person whos purchased a game just for its mod eg: hl/cs, bf/dc.
- RD
vac does nothing. most servers have vac, half of them (not just ns, every hl mod) have cheaters playing in em.
But still, if someone would enter the server with like "ogc 1", he'll probably get caught. by the other players.
Everytime I get on a server it seems like there is at least one guy hacking, almost never fails. Obviously that 5 year ban isn't stopping anybody from hacking, hell, the only people they seem to slap that ban on are false-positives. VAC needs some real work before it is going to ever be able to stop anything.
no one said it was the end all of every hack in existence, not even valve. it puts a stop to the old ones, and unlike some of the ignorants in this thread would have you to believe, some of the newer ones too, such as metacheat. sure there's a new versionf of metacheat out 15 minutes after every VAC detection, but hey, it keeps the **** on their toes and 5 year bans a few won/steam IDs in the process, so why not?
no one said it was the end all of every hack in existence, not even valve. it puts a stop to the old ones, and unlike some of the ignorants in this thread would have you to believe, some of the newer ones too, such as metacheat. sure there's a new versionf of metacheat out 15 minutes after every VAC detection, but hey, it keeps the **** on their toes and 5 year bans a few won/steam IDs in the process, so why not? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think you missunderstood my point. I know it can block some of the almost new ones, however they only carea bout CS, there are very old dod aimbots which works. Even though they care about CS they're not catching the WH that's been working for centuries anyway. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Vac is still much newer than C-D (I never liked C-D in the first place because it was more trouble than it was worth) which should make it obvious that it won't be able to stop as much, just due to the fact that it hasn't been through as many updates. Also C-D always had the advantage of requiring users to download something that was supposed to stop thier cheats, while at the same time there were always tonnes of servers that were still easy targets that hackers could just go to instead(C-D was always advertized in the sever title). Now that nearly everyone uses steam, hackers are forced to work around it, they can no longer just ignore the "C-D only" servers. Therefore vac has the immediate disadvantage of having every cheat builder trying to circumvent it, whereas C-D was for the most part ignored.
If you are really desperate to stop hackers just include the words "C-D required" in your server title and they will assume someone got C-D working for steam and go somewhere else (nearly all of the time at least).
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<i>btw, I can't play Natural Selection on my CS Retail w/ Steam, guess I gotta stick to CS for now.</i>
edit: except maybe a poptart.
Ever wondered why it takes longer time to connect to a VAC server? Because it downloads a client everytime you connect, so if you didin't konw, VAC is also client wise. But VAC uses one of the stupiest ways of blocking cheats, instead of trying to cut off the cheat's injecting method they do something called string scanning, which is scanning the memory for "parts" that looks like a cheat, that's why a new metacheat is always released 15 mins after a VAC update, all they need to do is the change some lines! CD attempts to make it impossible for the cheats to hook into the client, which automaticlly means harder to crack.
But on Vac server eavrybody say OMG, aimboter / wallhacker and so on =//
I think vac a long way behind Cheating-Death and will always be! The only problem is to get ppl to download Cheating-Death =\ moste of the ppls are to lazzyyy to download it! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
There is also a fair bit of FUD from cheat monglers/the miss-informed that VAC might cause false bans due to memory corruption being detected as a known cheat which was fixed a long time ago.
Also VAC might be touchy about client-side hooks, but it should be since nearly all of them are useless or cheats(C-D is an example of a usefull client-side hook, OGC is an example of a naughty one and HLamp is an example of a completely useless one). Some people got banned for running HLamp in an old VAC update, VALVe did a roll back and voila those are now unbanned.
Yes, this is what VAC does.
Fact is, on CD servers you do not find that many cheaters (at least no obvious ones).
Fact is, on every other server (VAC or not) there are sometimes cheaters (e.g. obvious aimbots).
Anyways VAC does not require any actions from the user so I like it. Maybe when Steam is running without any major bugs they will put some more attention into VAC. As long as VAC does not catch those mighty cheats I recommend you play on CD servers if you think there are cheaters everywhere.
C-D:
- Stops all cheats except for the newest ones, which are often times harder to find for the average nub
- Virtually no lag and CPU usage
- Does not punish users for false positives (no bans)
- Updated very frequently
- Simple to use and understand
VAC:
- Stops only the oldest of cheats, you can hack on a VAC server without breaking a sweat
- Has lag, has CPU usage
- Severly punishes users, false positives are a nightmare
- Updated <b>very</b> infrequently, it's hard to believe this is an offical valve product it's neglected so badly
- Not simple to understand, but it's simplicity to use is that you install a server patch for your game and boom you have instant anti-cheat protection
The bottem line:
VAC sucks. Untill valve actually sinks some time and money into it, Flayra is kicking himself in the nuts by going with VAC.
The ideal scenerio is that VAC and C-D could work together, but again, VAC is such a terribly neglected program that it seems unlikely VAC will ever work with UD anytime soon.
And, again, the best protection against hackers is admins... but admins aren't always there, C-D is an admins best friend.
Also, using the argument that "since C-D doesn't stop all hacks, it's useless!" has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard, by that logic we should also disband our docters and tell the sick that since one of them are going to die, there's no point in saving the others.
so true, this happend to a kid i know, he's no longer able to use his counter-strike retail key due to a 5 year ban, poor idiotic him <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
you jumped all over with your argument, first by saying that
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->VAC sucks. Untill valve actually sinks some time and money into it, Flayra is kicking himself in the nuts by going with VAC.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
clearly implying that you're against all forms of VAC and support its NOT being used in the next update of NS, and then go on to say
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, using the argument that "since C-D doesn't stop all hacks, it's useless!" has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
this time clearly implying that you are against those who think VAC is useless based on the fact that it doesn't catch all hacks, you're criticizing THEM for supporting your initial argument (that VAC is sucks),
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Did you just say I make no sense?
Because if I'm not mistaken you quoted me on the same thing twice and gave two different responses to it.
And in case you couldn't read my first post without carrying in an agenda, again, lets look at the <b>facts</b>:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->- Stops all cheats except for the newest ones, which are often times harder to find for the average nub<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->- Stops only the oldest of cheats, you can hack on a VAC server without breaking a sweat<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See the difference as to why I'd take CD over VAC?
GG
/me runs for washroom and everyone is soon to hear a *HURK*
im not one to know much cheats and anticheat programs, but there was this site telling how to spot and make cheaters game mizerable, like that aimbot that changed the color of the models and depending on your team your aim would automaticly go on the guy and with the color and lock onto him, if the cheaters terrorst, all you need is a blue spray, and the cheater would be stuck aiming at that spray, god the demo they put is HALAROUS!!