Are Grenades A One-key Deal?

Straylight

<div class="IPBDescription">or do you select like normal weapons?</div> So which is it going to be in NS? Personally I like the one-key system (like Halo.) IMO if the time switching is supposed to be part of balancing them just make it take longer to throw in the first place.

Diablus

i hate TFC nades, i hope its a weapon slot...., and i think its a wepon slot because theres a v_mdl for it

MMZ_Torak

I doubt they will be "off hand", it doesn't seem to fit the feel of NS. But hey, I never thought we'd be discussing hand grenades in the first place...

Ahnteis

Currently they're a a selectable weapon.

Shockeh

To chuck in my 2c then, I think the Halo style system is far superior.

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Roger_Dodger

Is it even possible within the engine??

Jabba_The_Hunt

I would assume its possible, maybe even a hack job could be done where it changes and then almost imediately throws the grenade and then goes back, hell i could write the script myself <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

UKchaos

er yes, havent you played tfc?

im_lost

Which weapon slot does it use?

X_Stickman

Slot four, the same slot for Welders, Mines and Grenades.

Majin

Nades need a reworking as they are now.
They are too hard to use effectively.
I am hoping for a click and hold to arm (starting the 4 second count down), unclick to release, hold too long, BOOM!

The nades everyone will see in 3.0 is not the current nade we have in the 3.0b BT. The ones we have now are like firecrackers. Lots of noise and flash, not much boom for your buck. But they still are AWESOME!

Warfare

Great... more heat to attract the Kharaa to...

Wait... that's a good thing, isn't it...

Qwomg

They sure do sound awsome <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

DarkDude

Yea, they could be the end of vent camping, spore-spamming lerks as we know them. It's almost kind of sad... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

Ballisto

itll be funny the first few weeks when noone knows what they are. all these sporespamming nubs are gonna get a great surprise <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

<!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> - WTH???

Swiftspear

they sound like they are pretty much exactly the same nades form the gl from what I have heard of them so far. I know they look different in your hand, but do they sound different? explode differnetly? how dissimalar are they really?

PowerslavE

They indeed have a different sound. A far more annoying and loud sound (no offense BW, just my opinion) and seem to have less of a damage zone than the GL nades do, but I could be wrong.

im_lost

They also don't explode if they hit an alien, so no matter what the alien has a chance to get away.

Ekimator

thats good, because nades being too powerfull in games can take away from the game sometimes i think. but thats just my opinion.




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Swiftspear

with a 4 second timer, a nade that is "too powerful" would probably involve some sort of nucular explotion, any alien can run away given 4 seconds knowtice.

Ahnteis

"Tink tink tink tink"

Grenades are still useful for area denial, anti-cloaked-camping, and structure clearing. They'll probably be changed a good bit before release.

Bigwig

I'm glad nades aren't that powerful at the moment, as I'm hoping that they will become the next teamplay weapon. One marine throwing a nade at a WoL won't do much, but if a whole coordinated marine team lobs at the same time...

RatDragon

I'm just glad they'll stop those damn spore spamming vent hiding lerks, or at least make it harder.

wascally_wabbit

Back on the subject of the thread (can't we debate the merits of nades somewhere else? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->)

Halo did it right. You hit a key, and after half a second your hand would pop out holding a grenade, and throw it. You weren't able to shoot while you were pulling out/throwing the grenade.

TFC did it wrong. You hit a key, and there would be no waiting period, and you could still fire while throwing the grenade.

Half-Life did it wrong. You had to switch weapons then switch back, stopping people from using grenades purely because they were difficult to select, and caused people to make one key grenade scripts.


So Flayra, if you're reading this, using a weapon slot just causes people to use scripts, so make one for 'em, and make us all haaaaaaaappy! =D

BrigadierWolf

well, It might make YOU happy, But as far as I can tell, It would be much more effective gameplay wise as a slot weapon. And I dont see how you would throw a grenade while still holding a rifle, Unless you pull the pin out with your toes.Ive already agreed that they take a bit too long to throw at the moment, But that should already be taken care of, along with an additional throw method. Trust me, The grenade will be well worth the effort of using.

im_lost

You use your teeth to pull the pin.

Swiftspear

dont bother scripting anything, just pull out the nade and press the use last weapon key to toggle between lmg and nade. one touch handgrenade.

From my impression, the grenade wont be all that usefull in skirmishes either way, mostly it will just be area denile and building clearing, ie you wont have any good reason to pull it out lighting fast any ways.

Cold_NiTe

Swiftspear is right, just use lastinv (in the WASD format this is prebound to Q) after you throw your grenade so you can go straight back to shooting. Oh and using grenades in Halflife DM was not worth it because you had to be fully selfsupporting, just as you do in most deathmatch games. Using grenades left your immediate area of defense well... defenseless. In a game like this, hopefully you would have some sort of support <i>in the form of teammates</i> there to protect you.

*EDIT* Oh and in DM, there are much more efficient ways of dealing death, especially in the early days... the days of the Tou Cannon. Using grenades left you that much more open to instant death attacks like that.

Melajo

<!--QuoteBegin--i'm lost+Dec 10 2003, 10:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Dec 10 2003, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You use your teeth to pull the pin. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Impossible. A grenade pin requires at least 3 pounds of pressure to be pulled. You would prolly loose a couple of teeth doing that, right Brig?

Oh, and we can at least cook the grenade, right?

To cook a grenade means to let its fuse run for a little before throwing it, therefore not giving the aliens a chance to escape.

Fire_Eel

Halo's form was Grenade throwing was really good as far as I remember.

BrigadierWolf

yeah, with most grenades, you'd probably be more likely to pull out a tooth than pull out the pin. We did have one guy do that with a practice grenade once though... He the proceeeded to drop it. We called Him "Hollywood" for the rest of the day.